on 5/1/01 12:51 PM, Scott Casiotone was believed to have uttered:

Wow. MIDI Quest is a big loser! ;) I probably should have been more
specific with the choices, but there are a lot of programs. If you
voted "other", I'd be interested in what you are using.

I personally use DX7 Librarian. Midi Quest was simply too expensive for what
I felt I was getting. I'd much rather spend the $90 difference on an effects
rack or RAM cartridges...

# John Athayde
# bobo@...
#

"Modesty, Propriety, can lead to notoriety
You could end up as the only one
Gentleness, Sobriety, are rare in this society
At night a candle's brighter than the sun"
- Sting, "Englishman In New York"

The "other" I use is selfmade. I found there is no cheap
DX7 editor for Win9x. Sound Diver or Midi Quest
are too expensive for me. I think it is a shame that Yamaha
has not created an "official" editor. The DX7 is Yams
bestseller. My own editor is in development and not ready
for public use. Im thinking about a Cakewalk MFX plug-in
version. What are you think about this? When all is done
I will release it as freeware for public use. What are your
experiences with Sound Diver. How good is the DX7
implementation. For myself I have only a special made OEM
version for the Access Virus and I have to say I love it.

Bye, Bob

Wow. MIDI Quest is a big loser! ;) I probably should have been more
specific with the choices, but there are a lot of programs. If you
voted "other", I'd be interested in what you are using.

Scott

(--- In YamahaDX@y..., "Charles Henden" <s358848@s...> wrote:

hello all FM freaks,

Firstly, I am new to this list, so if my message is misguided, let me
know the best place to ask... anyway on with the post. I just
recieved a mint condition DX-7s as a gift and I am looking for some
good reference sites, useful for a beginner to FM synthesis in
general and DX-7s operation. I have been using subtractive and
additive synths for quite I while, but have never touched a yamaha.
Thanks in advance for your help,
Charles)

Hi Charles

I'm in a similar position to you in regards to FM. You may be
interested in my list which I established in a hope to demystify FM.



The approach that I have been using for FM programming is to do a
little bit of research to understand what it is and how it works then
to get straight into programming with a software editor.
Using an editor, you can see most of the parameter information on
screen, which helps you to understand the way everything interacts. I
also find it useful to focus on programming a particular type of
sound for several days (eg: basses) and then proggress on to another
type of sound (eg: kick drums)... While programming basses I
methodically worked through each of the available algorythms,
striving to create a decent bass sound for each one.

Hope that's of some help.

Adam

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on 4/30/01 4:25 AM, Charles Henden was believed to have uttered:

hello all FM freaks,

Firstly, I am new to this list, so if my message is misguided, let me know the
best place to ask... anyway on with the post.

I just recieved a mint condition DX-7s as a gift and I am looking for some
good reference sites, useful for a beginner to FM synthesis in general and
DX-7s operation. I have been using subtractive and additive synths for quite
I while, but have never touched a yamaha.

As I just picked up my DX-7 last week, I've been all over the net. These are
more patch driven, but a good place to start is Dave Benson's Site. There is
an article in Keyboard magazine from 85 (?) that was written by one of the
authors of many of the original patches for the DX7 and it covers a lot of
the differences between FM synthesis and earlier models.






ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/midi/patches/DX7/




















# John Athayde
# bobo@...
#

"Modesty, Propriety, can lead to notoriety
You could end up as the only one
Gentleness, Sobriety, are rare in this society
At night a candle's brighter than the sun"
- Sting, "Englishman In New York"

开云体育

Your making me think I need to buy an SY77? What's the keyboard

action like on the SY-77/99?

The key action of the SY77/99 is the same as the DX7ii keyboard. The
best synthesizer keyboard ever made.

Or

would I be better off with a TG77? What does the PCM section sound

like, and how does this

interact with the FM synthesis?

PCM (AWM) can be layered or convulted with FM. A sampled waveform can
modulate the waveform of one or more operators simultaneously.
Not as usable as it may sound.


TG77 and SY77 PCM ROM memory is identical. Pretty mediocre by today's
standards. SY99 PCM is much cleaner and better. But the greatest
improvement is the awesome FX section of the SY99.

The DX7 patches can not be loaded from floppies to the SY77/99 .
But there is a convertor program which takes care of that.

hi

i recently bought a new yamaha dx200. this synth is capable fm
synthesis, as wellas reading "old" dx7-patches.

after looking around i found many patches in a format the dx200 does
not support. that means bank file with size of 4096 or 4104 bytes are
read correctly but these banks destroys the user bank (sequencer
wise) of the dx200.

i end with writing a bank to single patch converter and send one
patch to the dx200. that works! (it changes only the [actual] patch
[in the temp buffer] and not the sequencer data) and just for
curiossity i throw all my patches into an array and found out, that
many of the patches are double.

so, my question is, how is it possible to avoid double patches?
how is it possible to make categories for all patches and to find
them faster...
and, last question random patch generator... my idea is to scan all
patche and to find the min and max entra of all parameters, ordered
by algorithm.

i'll try that.

regards,

nina

ps: all stuff is written in java, basically it changes the format
from vmem to vced. i can post the routines later...

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Hello All

My name is Adam. I've recently gotten hold of a Yamaha TX816. Its
basically a rackmount FM machine that has up to 8 DX7 quivalent
modules inside it. They are known as TF1 modules. My one has 4 of
these TF1 modules. Each one can be detuned for chorusing effects
between the modules. Its quite a rich sounding monster!
Not having had any experience with FM programming I've actually set
up another list, before coming across the DX list. However it differs
to this one as it is not specifically aimed at any one synth or
manufacturer, but encompasses all machines that are capable of
generating FM timbres. It is intended as a support base for anyone
who programs FM sounds, regardless of what equipment they are using
to acheive this. We have recently been holding a fascinating
discussion with one member who is designing his own 6 operator
analogue FM synth. My main aim with the list was basically to learn
how to program FM!



If anyone is interested in programming discussions please drop by!

This list seems like a valuable resource for owners of Yamaha FM
synths. If I get into any tricky situations with my TX I'll probably
be harrassing you all here for help!!

Thanks
Adam

In a message dated 4/23/01 11:28:25 AM Central Daylight Time,
gpiccolini@... writes:

<< Subj: [YamahaDX] Are there any MidiTimePiece users on PC ?
Date: 4/23/01 11:28:25 AM Central Daylight Time
From: gpiccolini@...
Reply-to: YamahaDX@...
To: YamahaDX@...

Hi :
I own one , and I'm really pissed off ( I'm mad ,bah )with the guys
at MOTU .
They won't deliver a NT/2000 driver , and when I ask for it they told
me " Wenever promised that.. ". I think there's something called
customer support , and since I payed the same money that MAC users
did , I expect the same rate of drivers/console updates . Ours is
from '98 .
I want to start a boycott or something . Anyone wants to join ?
>>
Motu's customer service is so bad that every time we need support we have to
call sweetwater sound, and ask Chuck Surack to call Motu for us with MOTU's
vendor phone line. The MOTU line is always busy or tied up, In fact in the 5
years we have had out MTPlls we have NEVER been able to get thru ourselves, I
had a talk with a CS MGR and found out they only have two CS LINES, and they
are always looking for CS reps, sound familiar? We will NEVER buy another
MOTU product because of the low level of professional businsees tact, Zero
customer DIRECT support, Low quality product.
Learned our lesson! Richard Walsh Route 66 Studios

Hi :
I own one , and I'm really pissed off ( I'm mad ,bah )with the guys
at MOTU .
They won't deliver a NT/2000 driver , and when I ask for it they told
me " Wenever promised that.. ". I think there's something called
customer support , and since I payed the same money that MAC users
did , I expect the same rate of drivers/console updates . Ours is
from '98 .
I want to start a boycott or something . Anyone wants to join ?

hello Adelin..or auttofr??
thanks for your replie, but please forget about that..
It was just my two days ago first thought at wake-up/robustaTime ;)
but I agree that I have a lot to improve in many ways anyway.

Peace
Jeremy




--- In YamahaDX@y..., auttofr@y... wrote:

hello, to you, and other peoples on the list.

I am knewly subscribed in this group, but have come from time to

time

check the newsgroups and some yahoo lists too.
there are things that are interesting in this post, even if your
terminology and the way you put arguments is probably to be improve
(soon, I am sure).

First, pardon me for getting my two cents on this topic, i have to
say that your array does not complete any previously known facts

for

most people, but it was just a "first try" wasn't it??
Second point, you name good sources, put don't seem to be able to
link them.
I just wanted to point out, for you should be interested ,that

MidiOx

now supports the COM interface of MS Windows (98-ME), and that it

is

a good way to take control of your midi datas, if you have basic
knowlegde of VisualBasic scripting.
To finish this (quiet long) post,I personnaly ,for my TX81z have
read the manual, wich is far more complete than the TX802.
The "encoreelectronics" company ,wich appeared in an other post has

a

web page where you should find each and every parameters for your
synth in Hexadecimal, included is the AN1x.
A universal midi translator , as you wrote, would be an incredible
software.
Tell me, and the world, if you succeed in making somethig of that
taste.

Friendly.

Adelin.P

hello, to you, and other peoples on the list.

I am knewly subscribed in this group, but have come from time to time
check the newsgroups and some yahoo lists too.
there are things that are interesting in this post, even if your
terminology and the way you put arguments is probably to be improve
(soon, I am sure).

First, pardon me for getting my two cents on this topic, i have to
say that your array does not complete any previously known facts for
most people, but it was just a "first try" wasn't it??
Second point, you name good sources, put don't seem to be able to
link them.
I just wanted to point out, for you should be interested ,that MidiOx
now supports the COM interface of MS Windows (98-ME), and that it is
a good way to take control of your midi datas, if you have basic
knowlegde of VisualBasic scripting.
To finish this (quiet long) post,I personnaly ,for my TX81z have
read the manual, wich is far more complete than the TX802.
The "encoreelectronics" company ,wich appeared in an other post has a
web page where you should find each and every parameters for your
synth in Hexadecimal, included is the AN1x.
A universal midi translator , as you wrote, would be an incredible
software.
Tell me, and the world, if you succeed in making somethig of that
taste.

Friendly.

Adelin.P






--- In YamahaDX@y..., dbase789@a... wrote:

topic is far to be close, but I' ve found many editors on both

soft

and hardware side that possibly "do" the DX.

Maz virtual sampler
C.ferrari's FMHeaven
on the soft side, and on the hardware side,
The doeppfler pocket controllers, the Keyfax fatboy, the knobby at
encoreelectronics, Bitstream at waveidea, and the almighty an1x.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
ITEM READ sysex send CC savesysex is good looking
VSAMPLER x x
FMHEAVEN x x

------------------------------------------------------------------
Doeppfler ? ? ? ?

Keyfax ? ? ? ?

Knobby ? ? ? ?
Bitstream ? ? ? ?
AN1x ? ? ? ?
tbc..
-------------------------------------------------------------------

For what I know, Fmheaven is certainly the clearest interface of

all

the above. But I 've sent an e-mail to Mr Ferrari, who told me I

was

wrong thinking to use it as a stand alone editor, that it was an
interesting idea though, and that my english was quite readable.
(very nice man)
Vsampler seems nice to, and i've tried the v2.1 version, and

believe

many improvals have been made since.
Also, on this side are emagic sounddiver, and Midiedit. haven't

tried

them.

For the hardware side, correct me if am wrong, the Fatboy v2
isn't "user serviceable" on the sysex side..
The bitstream should IMVHO match the purpose of all editing, but is

a

bit pricey..and not well distributed in music shops..it' creator

did a

DIY version, providing schematics and components lst for download,
but it seems to have become unsupported, this page have been

removed

from the site..I still got them, but even this version needs a
preprogrammed chip, and I don't believe it to be (the DIY) freely
configurable.
On the other side, synths like the AN1x should have a good

potential

in editing continuous controllers, but sysex beeing what they are,

it

makes the use of an (unexisting at my knowledge) "Mididata

translator"

necessary.
For the An1x, Many controllers can be edited directly from the

knobs

of the pannel, and pressing this knobs makes an other layer of
parameters possibly available.(I believe there are six or eight
layers available per knob).

What would be interesting is to get the sysex data send for each
of the (in case of the an1x) knobs, and try to make them match the
editing parameters of the DX's synths.
I haven't checked yet the implementation for that, but maybe a
utility such as midiox can make the game.
Then, using a dedicated software, to have a logical string that
automatically make both of the datas to say "hello" each other,
instead of having this bourgeois attitude of
"no sorry, I 'm an exclusive data you know.."

Well.. for what it's worth..

First thing to do, when trying to make a good looking post to a list
is probably spelling correctly .
Corrected array :

-----------------------------------------------------------------
ITEM READ sysex send CC savesysex is good looking
-----------------------------------------------------------------

VSAMPLER x (x)

FMHEAVEN x x

------------------------------------------------------------------
Doepfer ? ? ? ?

Keyfax ? ? ? ?

Knobby ? ? ? ?
Bitstream ? ? ? ?
AN1x ? X ? ?

t
b
c..

-------------------------------------------------------------------

sooorry, phonetic :)

topic is far to be close, but I' ve found many editors on both soft
and hardware side that possibly "do" the DX.

Maz virtual sampler
C.ferrari's FMHeaven
on the soft side, and on the hardware side,
The doeppfler pocket controllers, the Keyfax fatboy, the knobby at
encoreelectronics, Bitstream at waveidea, and the almighty an1x.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
ITEM READ sysex send CC savesysex is good looking
VSAMPLER x x
FMHEAVEN x x

------------------------------------------------------------------
Doeppfler ? ? ? ?
Keyfax ? ? ? ?

Knobby ? ? ? ?
Bitstream ? ? ? ?
AN1x ? ? ? ?
tbc..
-------------------------------------------------------------------

For what I know, Fmheaven is certainly the clearest interface of all
the above. But I 've sent an e-mail to Mr Ferrari, who told me I was
wrong thinking to use it as a stand alone editor, that it was an
interesting idea though, and that my english was quite readable.
(very nice man)
Vsampler seems nice to, and i've tried the v2.1 version, and believe
many improvals have been made since.
Also, on this side are emagic sounddiver, and Midiedit. haven't tried
them.

For the hardware side, correct me if am wrong, the Fatboy v2
isn't "user serviceable" on the sysex side..
The bitstream should IMVHO match the purpose of all editing, but is a
bit pricey..and not well distributed in music shops..it' creator did a
DIY version, providing schematics and components lst for download,
but it seems to have become unsupported, this page have been removed
from the site..I still got them, but even this version needs a
preprogrammed chip, and I don't believe it to be (the DIY) freely
configurable.
On the other side, synths like the AN1x should have a good potential
in editing continuous controllers, but sysex beeing what they are, it
makes the use of an (unexisting at my knowledge) "Mididata translator"
necessary.
For the An1x, Many controllers can be edited directly from the knobs
of the pannel, and pressing this knobs makes an other layer of
parameters possibly available.(I believe there are six or eight
layers available per knob).

What would be interesting is to get the sysex data send for each
of the (in case of the an1x) knobs, and try to make them match the
editing parameters of the DX's synths.
I haven't checked yet the implementation for that, but maybe a
utility such as midiox can make the game.
Then, using a dedicated software, to have a logical string that
automatically make both of the datas to say "hello" each other,
instead of having this bourgeois attitude of
"no sorry, I 'm an exclusive data you know.."

Well.. for what it's worth..

hi..
luv your patches for the An1x !
sorry i can't be of any help with this german stuff, but I know a
french one whose chip is programmable via a PC editor.should be at

www.waveidea.com

I wait for some good knowledge to try making my own...also I try to
make a merge for Midi..but hey..solely human ;)
I would be Very interested for some knobs to tweak, too..I have not
tryed yet, for either my two welcomed at home txs802 and 81z, to use
the An1 for.(mucho parameters to read). A dedicated unit maybe would
be better, and this pocket one seems nice, indeed.
cheers.
Jeremy.

Hey! thanks man :) i appreciate that bit of comment.
Yep, it's cool to have a knob-box to program synths that don't have em ;)

I've found out that the Pocket control doesn't "answer to" System Exclusive
messages, so it's not really usable for the DX synths, BUT! there is one that
does everything (CC, SysEx, PN, NRPN) but it's a little more expensive, it's
the encore electronics Knobby and Slidemate (www.encoreelectronics.com).
If you download the editor you can see how i works with the DX7, pretty neat
... but still, a bit pricey. ;)

Mango / Joel


dbase789@... wrote: