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OK, I've got a new setup idea that might work. How does this sound?

PC OUT -> DX-100 IN
DX-100 THRU -> FB-01 IN
FB-01 THRU -> "FB-02" IN
DX-100 OUT AND "FB-02" THRU -> MERGE IN (2 IN, 8 OUT)
MERGE OUT -> PC IN *

This is what I came up with after reading Summa's reply. If I've got
this figured correctly, this should allow send and receive for all
devices. Since the MIDI merge box will be receiving a THRU signal, can
I also hook up my drum machine from one of its outputs? It looks good
on paper, anyway. :)

I'd love to have some giant MIDI patchbay, but I'm too cheap
(hence the DX-100 and FB-01's ;)

I've tried it a few different ways, but the computer didn't recognize
what I like to call "FB-02" (sorry, I know that's not funny to anyone
else ;) I'll give it another try with some of your suggestions. Thanks
for the help!


Cheers,


Scott

In message <99a2ej+tmnn@...>, dapelikan@... writes

Thanks for your help,
it's going to be valuable to me ..

So i need to change the OS chip, do you know
how much this costs ?
I guess it's a standard EPROM chip, maybe it
would be possible to reprogram it provided
Yamaha would be kind enough to send me the
ROM dump image .. i doubt it though

I just ordered it from the Yamaha spares department. In all I think it
cost about ?18 UK
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Richard

Thanks for your help,
it's going to be valuable to me ..

So i need to change the OS chip, do you know
how much this costs ?
I guess it's a standard EPROM chip, maybe it
would be possible to reprogram it provided
Yamaha would be kind enough to send me the
ROM dump image .. i doubt it though

Regards,

Da Pelikan

Hi,

first of all you probably have to use the MIDI Thru port instead the OUT to
cascade the synths...

Computer Out DX100 IN (since it's the only one with keyboard and I guess you
use your computer as sequencer)
DX100 Out Computer MIDI IN
DX100 MIDI Thru FB01 #1 MIDI IN
FB01 #1 MIDI Thru FBO1 #2 MIDI IN

When programming sounds and your computer is not having enough MIDI In for
every device, you can't request the memory of the synth and the software
isn't able to recognise the synth, so at least on sounddiver you should be
able to install the devices manually. You also should be able to edit and
store sound then, but you have to change the device ID for one FB01 and of
course have to set the devices IDs for the synths manualy on sounddiver too...

That at least should work, I never tried it, since I'm having a MIDI In and
a Out for every of my synths...

Summa


At 21:26 20.03.01 -0000, you wrote:

OK, so here's my deal. I added a bunch of new gear to my home studio,
and I'm looking for a good editor/librarian program (for PC). I've
played around with MIDI Quest 7.0 and Sound Diver a little, but not
thoroughly enough to prefer one over the other. (Although I was
getting slightly better results with Sound Diver.)

I'm using a DX-100 and 2 FB-01's, and having a difficult time getting
everything to work at the same time. If I just hook up one device,
editing is no prob, but all hell breaks loose when I hook 'em all up
together. I thought that all the channels were correct, but I guess
not, if it only recognizes 1 of the FB's. The path was something like
this:

PC MIDI OUT -> FB-01 IN,
FB-01 OUT -> DX-100 IN,
DX-100 OUT -> FB-01 #2 IN,
FB-01 #2 OUT -> PC MIDI IN.

I've tried this several different ways, but this seemed to be the
simplest. (One day at work I spent my lunch hour drawing little
charts. :) When I figure out how to program all this stuff, I plan to
do some live shows, with a QX3 sequencer (which is much easier to set
up).

Any pointers for my programming dilemma? I'm still new to MIDI, so
anything other than RTFM would be helpful. ;)

Thanks in advance,

Scott





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Yeah, you have to connect like this:


Pc out> midi in

Midi Thru> Midi In

Midi Thru> Midi In



Midi Outs don't echo the inputs, just the midi thru port does this.

You will need to get a better midi interface that allows connecting ?the in and out of each synth to the PC independantly. You can not edit all the synths, or any of them I’d say, by the chart you posed below.

On 3/20/01 3:26 PM, "Scott" wrote:

OK, so here's my deal. I added a bunch of new gear to my home studio,
and I'm looking for a good editor/librarian program (for PC). I've
played around with MIDI Quest 7.0 and Sound Diver a little, but not
thoroughly enough to prefer one over the other. (Although I was
getting slightly better results with Sound Diver.)

I'm using a DX-100 and 2 FB-01's, and having a difficult time getting
everything to work at the same time. If I just hook up one device,
editing is no prob, but all hell breaks loose when I hook 'em all up
together. I thought that all the channels were correct, but I guess
not, if it only recognizes 1 of the FB's. The path was something like
this:

PC MIDI OUT -> FB-01 IN,
FB-01 OUT -> DX-100 IN,
DX-100 OUT -> FB-01 #2 IN,
FB-01 #2 OUT -> PC MIDI IN.

I've tried this several different ways, but this seemed to be the
simplest. (One day at work I spent my lunch hour drawing little
charts. :) When I figure out how to program all this stuff, I plan to
do some live shows, with a QX3 sequencer (which is much easier to set
up).

Any pointers for my programming dilemma? I'm still new to MIDI, so
anything other than RTFM would be helpful. ;)

Thanks in advance,

Scott


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I’d also feel safe in saying that Sound Diver is my editor librarian of choice.

I think I read that in a fortune cookie the other night.

On 3/20/01 2:07 PM, "julie_tied@..." wrote:

Advice to DX7 users, spend as much time learning this instrument as
you would a Violin, and it will reward you beyond your dreams.


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OK, so here's my deal. I added a bunch of new gear to my home studio,
and I'm looking for a good editor/librarian program (for PC). I've
played around with MIDI Quest 7.0 and Sound Diver a little, but not
thoroughly enough to prefer one over the other. (Although I was
getting slightly better results with Sound Diver.)

I'm using a DX-100 and 2 FB-01's, and having a difficult time getting
everything to work at the same time. If I just hook up one device,
editing is no prob, but all hell breaks loose when I hook 'em all up
together. I thought that all the channels were correct, but I guess
not, if it only recognizes 1 of the FB's. The path was something like
this:

PC MIDI OUT -> FB-01 IN,
FB-01 OUT -> DX-100 IN,
DX-100 OUT -> FB-01 #2 IN,
FB-01 #2 OUT -> PC MIDI IN.

I've tried this several different ways, but this seemed to be the
simplest. (One day at work I spent my lunch hour drawing little
charts. :) When I figure out how to program all this stuff, I plan to
do some live shows, with a QX3 sequencer (which is much easier to set
up).

Any pointers for my programming dilemma? I'm still new to MIDI, so
anything other than RTFM would be helpful. ;)

Thanks in advance,

Scott

Advice to DX7 users, spend as much time learning this instrument as
you would a Violin, and it will reward you beyond your dreams.

Hi again,

I'm sorry if this is stuff you already know: You could make sure that
the DX100 is set to send sysex. Also, you may need to manualy push some
buttons on the synth to dump/load your patches. After I had made sure
that the DX is working properly, (sends regular note data, etc.) I'd
email the author of P-Farm to see if there have been any other problems
like this. I hope you get it working. On another note; It doesn't look
like P-Farm saves in generic sysex format.

-Nathan


From: ". Kemi" <qy702@...>
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Sound library ? send SYSEX

Thanks for the information,
I've already found this "options" on P Farm but it doesn't seems to work.
First of all, the V50 or YS 100 doesn't work band i think this is due
because they where made with version 1.0.

From: Nathan I Smutz <n.smutz@...>
Reply-To: YamahaDX@...
To: YamahaDX@...
Subject: [YamahaDX] Re: Re: Sound library ? send SYSEX
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:23:38 -0800

Hi agian,

When I set up a MIDI program, I usualy have to configure the program to
send MIDI data to my MIDI OUT port. When I first install programs, they
usualy send MIDI data to my sound card's built in synthesizer.

To change MIDI settings in P-Farm:


Go to the "Edit" menu.

Click preferences.

Highlight your instrument. (You will need to "Add" your instrument if
you haven't done this. I don't know if the DX100 is of the V50 type or
the YS100 type.)

When you have your instrument highlighted, click "Properties".

Now, you should be able to select a MIDI channel and your MIDI IN and
MIDI OUT ports.

If you set up a different instrumet type, (i.e. v50 if the YS100 setup
didn't work well) it looks like you will need to configure MIDI options
for the new instrument type.

Soli Deo Gloria,
Nathan

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Unfortunately you can't copy parameters (envelopes ...) with Sounddiver
adaptions, that's why I find Unisyn to be a better choice to edit the TX81z...

At 15:53 19.03.01 +0000, you wrote:

I am planning to use it with SoundDiver from Emagic which i got hold
of already. I saw on Emagic's site that there is a bug in the TX81 os
versions under 1.4 ( not inclusive) which prevents sound editing.

Is there anyone using SoundDiver with a TX81z by any chance ?

Mine had V1.0 software. I rang Yamaha spares and ordered the last
version chip (V1.6) In mine the chip was socketed so was dead easy to
change.
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I am planning to use it with SoundDiver from Emagic which i got hold
of already. I saw on Emagic's site that there is a bug in the TX81 os
versions under 1.4 ( not inclusive) which prevents sound editing.

Is there anyone using SoundDiver with a TX81z by any chance ?

Mine had V1.0 software. I rang Yamaha spares and ordered the last
version chip (V1.6) In mine the chip was socketed so was dead easy to
change.
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Hello,

I am new to this group and new to hardware synthesisers altogether.
I discovered synthesis through software versions and now i want to
buy a TX81z i saw for a decent price ( ?50)

I am planning to use it with SoundDiver from Emagic which i got hold
of already. I saw on Emagic's site that there is a bug in the TX81 os
versions under 1.4 ( not inclusive) which prevents sound editing.

Is there anyone using SoundDiver with a TX81z by any chance ?

Does sound editing ( sysex transfer ) work with other programs ?

The os on the tx i am going to buy is version 1.1 by the way ..

I really want to edit the sounds and use ones made by others so i
need to know this. I would greatly appreciate any help and comments
on this ..

Thanks in advance !

PS: Native Instruments ( ) is going
to release a software emulation of the DX7 called FM7. In theory
there should be no difference between the sound of the original and
its recreation, since i understand a DX7 is a "digital synth". Well
of course, the D/A's used to be 12bit, but i don't think my
soundcard's 4 extra bits can hurt .. I don't know if they implemented
a bit reduction feature to take this into account though
Let's wait and .. hear

Thanks for the information,
I've already found this "options" on P Farm but it doesn't seems to work.
First of all, the V50 or YS 100 doesn't work band i think this is due because they where made with version 1.0.

From: Nathan I Smutz <n.smutz@...>
Reply-To: YamahaDX@...
To: YamahaDX@...
Subject: [YamahaDX] Re: Re: Sound library ? send SYSEX
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:23:38 -0800

Hi agian,

When I set up a MIDI program, I usualy have to configure the program to
send MIDI data to my MIDI OUT port. When I first install programs, they
usualy send MIDI data to my sound card's built in synthesizer.

To change MIDI settings in P-Farm:


Go to the "Edit" menu.

Click preferences.

Highlight your instrument. (You will need to "Add" your instrument if
you haven't done this. I don't know if the DX100 is of the V50 type or
the YS100 type.)

When you have your instrument highlighted, click "Properties".

Now, you should be able to select a MIDI channel and your MIDI IN and
MIDI OUT ports.

If you set up a different instrumet type, (i.e. v50 if the YS100 setup
didn't work well) it looks like you will need to configure MIDI options
for the new instrument type.

Soli Deo Gloria,
Nathan


-----------Original Message---------------
I've tried the P-Farm and I can not test it because everytime i try to
send
or receive something a message error is displayed and tells me to check
the
midi set up. But the midi set up is OK (i've tested it with my Korg
Prophecy
and everything is OK)
Any idea ?


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i have a CX5MII and as much as i like having it around it's really not that
advanced. i think u have seriously over estimating it's abilities,
especially in the live arena! the computer itself is at about the same
level as the commodore 64. the fm synths in them are not too bad at all,
but the midi implementation on the CX5MII is pretty limited. program
change, midi sync, and 4 controllers (volume, sustain, portamento switch
and portamento time). i think it was even more limited on the CX5M.
sequencing? compared to cakewalk and acid it is very very basic sequencing.

Does this particular PC already have a floppy disk drive (3.5) or is
like the atari where you have to add on everything???

add on. and i think the floppy drives are hard to find.

i'm note totally sure what you are trying to achieve but perhaps one of
those midi controller knobby things used with the DX21 would do the job... ?

you can download a manual here to find out more:


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Hi agian,

When I set up a MIDI program, I usualy have to configure the program to
send MIDI data to my MIDI OUT port. When I first install programs, they
usualy send MIDI data to my sound card's built in synthesizer.

To change MIDI settings in P-Farm:


Go to the "Edit" menu.

Click preferences.

Highlight your instrument. (You will need to "Add" your instrument if
you haven't done this. I don't know if the DX100 is of the V50 type or
the YS100 type.)

When you have your instrument highlighted, click "Properties".

Now, you should be able to select a MIDI channel and your MIDI IN and
MIDI OUT ports.

If you set up a different instrumet type, (i.e. v50 if the YS100 setup
didn't work well) it looks like you will need to configure MIDI options
for the new instrument type.

Soli Deo Gloria,
Nathan

I've just bought a DX7 Mark 1 that is not 'normal'. It seems to have an
arpegiator, split keyboard lots of banks for sounds, etc.

When it starts up, it states 'MAXsystems SUPERMAX (A)'

I take it is some form of upgrade. Is there a site (or
anything,anywhere0 that can tell me more.

--
Richard

I am looking into buying a CX5M for live use, but i was wondering if
any of you might be able to help me with some questions the reveiw
pages would'nt answer.
I know this PC does FM Synthesis, but when interfacing with a DX
keyboard, what options does it provide?? I mean can I alter all
parameters????
Does it have a sequencing program? What does the layout look like? I
am so used to cakewalk and Acid that I am afraid to leave them.
Does this particular PC already have a floppy disk drive (3.5) or is
like the atari where you have to add on everything???
I have a W5 I transfer live programming to when I go to a show, and I
run the additional sequences by turning off one channel on the W5 and
running the DX off of that, cuz the W5 doesnt use Device Id's like
unisyn would if I brought my PC live. Would the CX5M eliminate the
need for me to eliminate this one channel on my W5??? Does it use
Device Id's?? (I figure it does cuz it is made by Yamaha.)
I dunno, I am trying to use as many voices for my live programming,
and the sixteen channels I have access to on the W5 are icing on the
cake you know? I only get one channel on the DX21, and one channel on
my DTX2 (that I feel is worth using since it is just a drum module,
and the drums are all on Channel Ten).
One more thing before I go, does anyone know what exactly the
synthesis on the CS6x is all about? I read somewhere it is using
like three types of synthesis: Wave Form, FM, and Sampling, as well
as this new Digital Formulation or something like that..
I have too many questions Dont I???
Fear