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New vs Old


 

I've loved my wife's now 5 year old FT-60R so much, I'm thinking about buying one for myself. Hers is made in Japan.


I've heard the new ones are now made in China and aren't the same/as good as as the older ones.


Can someone here give me a rundown on the differences?


Thanks!


Peanut Butter Bear
 

I have both, notice no difference.



From: "maurice.riggins@... [FT-60]"
To: FT-60@...
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2016 9:00 PM
Subject: [FT-60] New vs Old

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I've loved my wife's now 5 year old FT-60R so much, I'm thinking about buying one for myself. Hers is made in Japan.

I've heard the new ones are now made in China and aren't the same/as good as as the older ones.

Can someone here give me a rundown on the differences?

Thanks!



 

Bought one new less than a year ago, made in Japan.


Mark Pisani
 

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I believe the radios themselves are still made in Japan. Batteries are made in China.

On Jun 20, 2016, at 7:00 PM, "maurice.riggins@... [FT-60]" <FT-60@...> wrote:

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I've loved my wife's now 5 year old FT-60R so much, I'm thinking about buying one for myself. Hers is made in Japan.


I've heard the new ones are now made in China and aren't the same/as good as as the older ones.


Can someone here give me a rundown on the differences?


Thanks!


 

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I understand the big difference is in the language you've got to use when giving it voice commands. Mandaran is a whole lot harder to learn than Nihongo. ?Grin. AF0DJ.?


-------- Original message --------
From: "maurice.riggins@... [FT-60]" <FT-60@...>
Date: 20/06/2016 20:00 (GMT-07:00)
To: FT-60@...
Subject: [FT-60] New vs Old


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I've loved my wife's now 5 year old FT-60R so much, I'm thinking about buying one for myself. Hers is made in Japan.


I've heard the new ones are now made in China and aren't the same/as good as as the older ones.


Can someone here give me a rundown on the differences?


Thanks!


 

I've only had mine about a year and it was made in Japan, But if you still have questions, you might cal HRO or? Yaesu and They can give you more information on the radio.

73's

N4AAW


 

Wonderful news, guys. Thanks much for the input. I’m gonna pull the trigger on a new one. Since my old Icom T7H died, I’ve been stuck with an IC-91AD D-Star I won… and an oven mitt to use it, LOL. That, and listening to R2D2 on weak signals, gets old, so I don’t use it on digital anyway.

I’m also gonna get my wife a new battery, and I’m thinking of getting her the SBH-13 charging cradle and PA-48B wall wart that comes with the new ones. Think that'll work fine with the older version?

I’ll also get us each one of the 6 AA battery trays to fill with eneloops for backup.

Thanks again!


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My impression - I had a Older one for 8 years - loved it - liked the ability to
charge AA Nimh packs - thats all I used for that one.?? Final went out 2 years
ago.? Other than that feature my feeling is that the receive is not as sensitive
on the newer one. I have a harder time hearing the same repeaters - even
with an aftermarket antenna.

I did a side by side signal strength test with a friends new Icom HT - I would get
a repeater at S7 and he had it full scale and louder.?

Might just be my particular unit - hard for me to tell but I wish the old one didnt
break.


On 06/20/2016 09:00 PM, maurice.riggins@... [FT-60] wrote:
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I've loved my wife's now 5 year old FT-60R so much, I'm thinking about buying one for myself. Hers is made in Japan.


I've heard the new ones are now made in China and aren't the same/as good as as the older ones.


Can someone here give me a rundown on the differences?


Thanks!


-- 
KQ?J


 

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Thanks, Joel. I appreciate the feedback. UPS says my new one will be here Thursday. I’ll put it side by side with my wife’s and see how it does.?

I have figured out hers will charge the battery while on external power, but mine won’t. Bit of a bummer, but I can live with it.


On Jun 21, 2016, at 09:14, Joel hiqual@... [FT-60] <FT-60@...> wrote:

My impression - I had a Older one for 8 years - loved it - liked the ability to?
charge AA Nimh packs - thats all I used for that one.?? Final went out 2 years
ago.? Other than that feature my feeling is that the receive is not as sensitive?
on the newer one. I have a harder time hearing the same repeaters - even?
with an aftermarket antenna.?

I did a side by side signal strength test with a friends new Icom HT - I would get?
a repeater at S7 and he had it full scale and louder.??

Might just be my particular unit - hard for me to tell but I wish the old one didnt?
break.?


On 06/20/2016 09:00 PM,?maurice.riggins@...?[FT-60] wrote:
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I've loved my wife's now 5 year old FT-60R so much, I'm thinking about buying one for myself. Hers is made in Japan.


I've heard the new ones are now made in China and aren't the same/as good as as the older ones.


Can someone here give me a rundown on the differences?


Thanks!


--
KQ?J



Jim K5JG
 

You can thank the State of California for that. They began requiring that chargers for devices requiring more than 5 volts or so automatically shut-off when the charge is complete.

In order to comply, and rather than have to have a special version just for Commiefornia, Yaesu eliminated the capability of charging the FT-60's battery with external power plugged into the side of the radio.

Hence the drop-in charging cradle (with automatic shut-off) supplied with radios manufactured since early 2013.

73, Jim K5JG

On 6/21/2016 5:47 PM, Maurice Riggins maurice.riggins@... [FT-60] wrote:

I have figured out hers will charge the battery while on external power,
but mine won’t.


 

Yeah, Jim. I sure hate all the nanny-ism in our bloated governments today.?

Has anyone compared the R to the E (rest of the world?) version to see if the battery charging circuitry is still in there and just disabled with a cut/missing trace, etc?


 

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Lovely.?

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Jerry

KG7NOR

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Live simple, love well, and take time to smell the flowers along the way. ~ Mark Twain



On Jun 21, 2016, at 18:42, Jim K5JG k5jg@... [FT-60] <FT-60@...> wrote:

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You can thank the State of California for that. They began requiring
that chargers for devices requiring more than 5 volts or so
automatically shut-off when the charge is complete.

In order to comply, and rather than have to have a special version just
for Commiefornia, Yaesu eliminated the capability of charging the
FT-60's battery with external power plugged into the side of the radio.

Hence the drop-in charging cradle (with automatic shut-off) supplied
with radios manufactured since early 2013.

73, Jim K5JG

On 6/21/2016 5:47 PM, Maurice Riggins maurice.riggins@...
[FT-60] wrote:
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> I have figured out hers will charge the battery while on external power,
> but mine won’t.


 

In all honesty, pumping unregulated constant current into a NiMH cells - like what was shipped with the FT-60R until 2013 - is NOT the best way to charge those packs.

The intelligent charger that now comes with new FT-60R will provide us a coulple hundred more discharge-charge cycles. That's a benefit in our favor - no matter what politics may have been involved.

Clint K6LCS
http://www.work-sat.com?


 

When she first won that radio, my wife was using the wall wart charger that came with it plugged into the side of the radio. At some point, and I can't remember when, I bought her a second battery and the?VAC-370 rapid charger/cradle--I suspect that was maybe four years ago. Then, at some point later, she decided to take everything down to the basement, to have in case we went down there in a tornado. I don't argue.

The radio and one battery spent at least a couple of years, maybe three or more, down there in the?VAC-370, while the other battery never got charged again. Bottom line is she has one battery that lasts a pretty good while in use, and another that doesn't last long at all.

Since she doesn't transmit nearly as much, I'm taking her decent battery as a backup for me (and the VAC-370), and buying her a new battery and a charger setup like what's coming with my new one (happy wife, happy life). And we'll both get a AA tray.

My new radio and other gear is Out for Delivery, :D




Joel
 

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That is technically correct but that being said, I would get three years and more out of a set of
cheap nimh cells? from walmart that had more capacity then the stock battery pack. I would
hook it up for a few hours and unplug it - knowing not to abuse them.?

On 06/23/2016 08:43 AM, clint@... [FT-60] wrote:
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In all honesty, pumping unregulated constant current into a NiMH cells - like what was shipped with the FT-60R until 2013 - is NOT the best way to charge those packs.


The intelligent charger that now comes with new FT-60R will provide us a coulple hundred more discharge-charge cycles. That's a benefit in our favor - no matter what politics may have been involved.

Clint K6LCS
?

-- 
KQ?J


 

Thursday, 23 Jun at 22:22 EDT - It all arrived this afternoon. As several here suggested, the radio is made in Japan and the batteries in China. The only difference I notice is the new radio stands up without wobbling—not sure why. I can’t see any difference, but it’s there. I can’t see or hear any difference with weak signal reception between the old and the new. If one shows stronger than the other, I swap positions and both radios perform the same in the stronger position.


I charged up both new FNB-83 batteries on the two new SBH-13 charging cradles and PA-48B wall warts. It’s weird not to see a green LED when charging is finished, but I suppose that would use too much energy for the California Communists.


The old “good" battery will continue to go in the VAC-370 Rapid Charger (as will the new batteries when fast charge is needed).


The two FBA-25 AA alkaline packs are waiting for a 50-pack of Eveready Energizer Max AA (E91) for $18.99 shipped from eBay. If I go with loose NiMH, I want to do some research on eneloop vs Powerex first.


Setup:


Added password in PSWD W
Changed PSWD to PWD. ON
Added call sign to CW WRT
Changed CWID to TX ON
Reprogrammed P1 key to DC VLT
Kept RXSAVE at 200 MS
Changed TXSAVE to SAV. ON
Changed TOT to 2MIN
Kept APO at OFF
Kept ARS at ARS. ON
Changed NAME to ALPHA


All our memory entries use call sign labels. I put 2m in the first one hundred memories and 70 cm in the second hundred. Then I divide the hundreds into tens. The first ten (0-9 or 100-109) I reserve for quick temporary or miscellaneous entries, and the next 9 sets of 10 represent counties. So for us, the first memory digit (or lack thereof) represents band, the second digit the county, and the last, my repeater number assignment for that county. I try to keep the 3rd digit the same for repeater call signs with both 2m and 70cm repeaters.


Anyway, this wraps up my saga of getting a new FT-60R for me and getting my wife’s back up to speed.



Moe
AB8XA


 

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I don't buy replacements for stock 1400mAh battery on my older FT-60 (circa 2007).? I have a AA case and use Eneloops religiously.? The only time the stock battery is used is while the Eneloops are charging.? The original 1400mAh?battery is starting to go low much?quicker now than it did when it was new.? So, I'll toss it soon and buy six more 2000mAhEneloops for the AA case.? Much more reliable, longer transmit life?and don't have to worry about overcharging with the wall wart.? I have two separate NiMh chargers that accommodate 4 cells each. In the long run, I find this more economical than buying a "quality" replacement for the original battery.
73
John
KU8Q


Joel
 

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Problem I have is the AA battery case for my New FT60 will not close when good
hi cap AA's are in it - only alkalines - the NiMh are just a little too big. I have Powerex
2500 Mah cells.

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On 06/24/2016 08:13 PM, jtkeyz@... [FT-60] wrote:
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I don't buy replacements for stock 1400mAh battery on my older FT-60 (circa 2007).? I have a AA case and use Eneloops religiously.? The only time the stock battery is used is while the Eneloops are charging.? The original 1400mAh?battery is starting to go low much?quicker now than it did when it was new.? So, I'll toss it soon and buy six more 2000mAhEneloops for the AA case.? Much more reliable, longer transmit life?and don't have to worry about overcharging with the wall wart.? I have two separate NiMh chargers that accommodate 4 cells each. In the long run, I find this more economical than buying a "quality" replacement for the original battery.
73
John
KU8Q

-- 
KQ?J


 

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I have the same problem (battery case can't be clipped to the radio)?with two battery cases using Eneloop batteries.

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Jerry

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Live simple, love well, and take time to smell the flowers along the way. ~ Mark Twain



On Jun 24, 2016, at 21:19, Joel hiqual@... [FT-60] <FT-60@...> wrote:

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Problem I have is the AA battery case for my New FT60 will not close when good
hi cap AA's are in it - only alkalines - the NiMh are just a little too big. I have Powerex
2500 Mah cells.

?

On 06/24/2016 08:13 PM, jtkeyz@... [FT-60] wrote:
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I don't buy replacements for stock 1400mAh battery on my older FT-60 (circa 2007).? I have a AA case and use Eneloops religiously.? The only time the stock battery is used is while the Eneloops are charging.? The original 1400mAh?battery is starting to go low much?quicker now than it did when it was new.? So, I'll toss it soon and buy six more 2000mAhEneloops for the AA case.? Much more reliable, longer transmit life?and don't have to worry about overcharging with the wall wart.? I have two separate NiMh chargers that accommodate 4 cells each. In the long run, I find this more economical than buying a "quality" replacement for the original battery.
73
John
KU8Q

-- 
KQ?J


 

That why you see the previous post only uses the 2000 mah instead of the 2500's.? The get the higher capacity by making the battery bigger not by using better internals.