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Re: radio shutting off when I press PTT

 

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Hello Jayne,

You might also consider buying the Yaesu FBA-25A Compact Dry Battery Case.
It takes 6 standard AA Alkaline batteries and is a great emergency battery.

I have had my FT-60R since 2009 and have replaced the battery once with a genuine Yaesu part.
When the battery failed, it operated exactly as you describe.
Battery is always charged through the radio as I don't have a desktop charger.

I also have a couple of Chinese handheld radios and they have come in handy at times as well.
But the FT60R is still my handheld of choice.
Welcome to Amateur Radio. Mind you don't smudge the ink on that nice new certificate:-)

73...Bob VK2ZRE


On 30/10/2023 3:08 am, Jayne Rising wrote:

Indeed! I've also learned something about troubleshooting my HT, in addition to taking it apart and putting it back together. And I was challenged there in the strangest of places (the battery holding clip and belt holder screws) but I've done it! And the radio works. It's flashing low battery so it'll go back on to the charger I have in lieu of a better option. I've also learned that my Tx was indeed set to High. It's now set to Low. Once I'm recharged that might help. New components will be here tomorrow so hopefully I'll be back on the air soon!

Thanks again.

Jayne
KD9WLM


Re: radio shutting off when I press PTT

 

Hi, Jayne!

And welcome to the FT-60 and ham worlds!

I've had my unit for years and worn out several batteries and wouldn't trade it for anything.? If I remember correctly the early FT-60s were able to recharge the batteries when they were plugged into a power source however since then the later production models of the FT-60's power supplies only operate the radio but no longer charge it.

I've often mentioned that the radio was introduced in 2004 and it is still in production but if they ever decide to stop producing it I would immediately buy a new one as a backup.? It's that good.

Enjoy!

Jim Quinn
AJ1MQ
Longview, TX


Re: radio shutting off when I press PTT

 

Hi Jayne,
The battery seems worn out.? It just can't provide enough current for full power transmit any more.? You can buy a replacement, or you can modify the battery you have.? There are threads on this forum discussing various ways to rebuild the battery to save money, improve performance, or both.
Cheers,
Halden VE7UTS


Re: radio shutting off when I press PTT

 

Congratulations on your bravery and success. I've never opened mine up.

Christian KD2LIN

----- Original Message -----
From: Jayne Rising <jayne.rising@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, 29 Oct 2023 12:08:57 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: [Yaesu-FT-60] radio shutting off when I press PTT

Indeed! I've also learned something about troubleshooting my HT, in addition to taking it apart and putting it back together. And I was challenged there in the strangest of places (the battery holding clip and belt holder screws) but I've done it! And the radio works. It's flashing low battery so it'll go back on to the charger I have in lieu of a better option. I've also learned that my Tx was indeed set to High. It's now set to Low. Once I'm recharged that might help. New components will be here tomorrow so hopefully I'll be back on the air soon!

Thanks again.

Jayne
KD9WLM


Re: radio shutting off when I press PTT

 

Indeed! I've also learned something about troubleshooting my HT, in addition to taking it apart and putting it back together. And I was challenged there in the strangest of places (the battery holding clip and belt holder screws) but I've done it! And the radio works. It's flashing low battery so it'll go back on to the charger I have in lieu of a better option. I've also learned that my Tx was indeed set to High. It's now set to Low. Once I'm recharged that might help. New components will be here tomorrow so hopefully I'll be back on the air soon!

Thanks again.

Jayne
KD9WLM


Re: radio shutting off when I press PTT

 

Like everyone else, it's the battery. Great little radio. Used one in SAR work, never let me down.


Re: radio shutting off when I press PTT

 

As far as I know, yes. It's the charger that came with the radio new and has been working just fine since I bought the radio back in January. The old technology-new battery issue might be related to charger vs battery chemistry. That may be why the new battery didn't fully charge through the old radio using the DC charger cable that came with the radio. As I've said, a new drop charger may solve the problem, as the local elmer suggested. Thank St Pixel of the Sacred Binary for Prime one-day shipping! I'll have all of my new components tomorrow.

Now just to get the HT back together. Other than seating those weird nuts around their respective buttons properly, it shouldn't be too hard. And getting the battery holder clip properly seated. I'm sure YouTube can help.

Jayne


Re: radio shutting off when I press PTT

 

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Hi Jane.

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At least you know that with a full charge of the FT-60, you have a rugged, proven performer of a radio, perhaps the best analog HT currently available, maybe the best one made in the last 20+ years.

?


Re: radio shutting off when I press PTT

 

Again, proper charger for battery chemistry??


On Sun, Oct 29, 2023 at 10:04 AM, Jayne Rising
<jayne.rising@...> wrote:

Thanks for your responses. Brother Murphy can indeed be a pain in regions far south of my neck, and I can well imagine the stupidity level that traverses your collective bandwidth. I promise I'm not one of those! I'm only in need of teaching. The ink on my ticket is barely dry LOL. And the danged radio was working fine two days ago!

A local elmer suggested it's a battery problem that's more related to old technology-new batteries. Apparently he had an old Icom W-32A that he was given. He bought a new battery, had to charge it through the radio as I've been doing, and the new battery simply wouldn't charge to capacity. A drop charger solved the problem. FYI I was charging my batteries, old and new, using the DC charger that came with the radio. The elmer said that the old DC charger cable may also be the problem. So, I've ordered both a drop charger and a new DC cable. Hopefully these things will solve my problem.

The Baofeng UV5R is also on the charger. Again, I could hear but not transmit. It'll be interesting to see if a full charge solves the problem there as well. I don't use that hunk of junk often but this episode has illustrated the goodness of a backup HT, even one of those.

Jayne
KD9WLM


Re: radio shutting off when I press PTT

 

Thanks for your responses. Brother Murphy can indeed be a pain in regions far south of my neck, and I can well imagine the stupidity level that traverses your collective bandwidth. I promise I'm not one of those! I'm only in need of teaching. The ink on my ticket is barely dry LOL. And the danged radio was working fine two days ago!

A local elmer suggested it's a battery problem that's more related to old technology-new batteries. Apparently he had an old Icom W-32A that he was given. He bought a new battery, had to charge it through the radio as I've been doing, and the new battery simply wouldn't charge to capacity. A drop charger solved the problem. FYI I was charging my batteries, old and new, using the DC charger that came with the radio. The elmer said that the old DC charger cable may also be the problem. So, I've ordered both a drop charger and a new DC cable. Hopefully these things will solve my problem.

The Baofeng UV5R is also on the charger. Again, I could hear but not transmit. It'll be interesting to see if a full charge solves the problem there as well. I don't use that hunk of junk often but this episode has illustrated the goodness of a backup HT, even one of those.

Jayne
KD9WLM


Re: radio shutting off when I press PTT

 

Welcome to the group and to amateur radio. I’ve been a new ham since 1990 and love my FT60R. I can’t improve on the advice you’ve gotten here.

Since you saved some $$ buying the FT60R used, you might be in a better position to buy a new FNB-83 battery, if charging isn’t the solution to your woes.

A spare was worth the price to me at the same time I bought my radio new. I rotate them so neither one just sits, ageing on the shelf.

KC6OEI


Re: radio shutting off when I press PTT

 

It just hit me.... We didn't ask Jayne, if she has? the proper charger to match the chemistry of the? battery you are using?????


On Sat, Oct 28, 2023 at 10:20 PM, Kevin - K5ABX via groups.io
<k5abx@...> wrote:
You are getting standard and good advice.

Fact is, voltage is only one indicator for a battery. The ability to produce current is more important. Older batts may show voltage but can't supply the current
.
The FT60 wants 1.5 amps at 5 watts (high) power transmitting. High should only be used IF needed. Generally you can hit a repeater with the Low or Mid? power settings.
The voltage you are reading with the radio or a DVM is a surface charge and not under a load.

Just like a 12 batt which starts out at 13.3 to 13.5? volts surface charge and drops to the 11.0 to 12.5 needed for use under a load, your 7.2 batt is not able to stay above the needed 6.0 volts minimum and provide 1.5 amps current.? Using the DV VLT menu option, you can see the voltage at idle. Then key up and see what it says. If it goes below 6, it is not charged and able to handle the load. You can watch this with the menu option while you operate a test. It is a valuable function when in the field.

At this moment my FT60 reads 7.7V on startup. It reads 7.6V under idle load. If I transmit on high, it drops to 6.6V. If I transmit on low it reads 7.2 V.

If the radio goes blank then flashes its display on transmit then comes back on, it means a low batt but can still listen or maybe even transmit on Low power setting. If it goes blank and shuts down, most likely a very low to dead or bad batt.

My 2 cents worth.


Re: radio shutting off when I press PTT

 

Please don't take it in that way. You are getting good advice.

Fact is, for the FT60, 7.2 VDC straight from the charger pretty much only nominal as the manual states. It also states 6 volts in minimum and it wants 1.5 amps to transmit on High setting. High is rarely needed when using repeaters, Low generally works just fine.

A 12 volt batt routinely starts at a surface charge of 13.3 to 13.5 and works it way down. Under load it will drop to 11.5 to 12.2V. The available current is more important than the voltage. Especially if you transmit at full 5 watts. Your good 7.2 V batt should come off the charger close to an 8 V level.

In the field as my FT-60 approaches 7.7 VDC I consider a batt change IF I am having to use High power setting. Again, voltage is only one indication of a batts condition but the amount of current it can produce produce is more important than the voltage level. Older batts can still get to the voltage but not supply the current.

Before tearing into the inner workings of your radio, try this, use the DC VLT menu option [FW>0> turn knob or use up/dwn buttons to DC VLT option then press FW to see the current idle voltage] and see the batt voltage is while the radio is receiving. Typically mine is about 0.1 to 0.2 volts less than the startup reading. Leave it there then transmit while watching the screen, you will see it drop.

At this moment my batt is 7.7V on start up, 7.6V in the menu. If I transmit on Low it drops to 7.2. If I transmit on High it drops to 6.6V. I use this when working events and such to keep an eye on the batt status. I am never without a BU batt AND a dry cell pack with fresh energizers for that unforeseen situation. the 'Murphy' law as one gent indicated.

If the display goes blank and or flashes, then recovers, it is a low batt good enough for receiving at the power level you are trying to transmit at. If the display goes blank, it is a dead or bad batt.

Just my two cents worth.

Have a great day.

Sent with secure email.

------- Original Message -------
On Saturday, October 28th, 2023 at 8:07 PM, Jayne Rising <jayne.rising@...> wrote:

Is it too much to ask that I not be treated as an idiot? Sheesh.


Re: radio shutting off when I press PTT

 

You are getting standard and good advice.

Fact is, voltage is only one indicator for a battery. The ability to produce current is more important. Older batts may show voltage but can't supply the current
.
The FT60 wants 1.5 amps at 5 watts (high) power transmitting. High should only be used IF needed. Generally you can hit a repeater with the Low or Mid? power settings.
The voltage you are reading with the radio or a DVM is a surface charge and not under a load.

Just like a 12 batt which starts out at 13.3 to 13.5? volts surface charge and drops to the 11.0 to 12.5 needed for use under a load, your 7.2 batt is not able to stay above the needed 6.0 volts minimum and provide 1.5 amps current.? Using the DV VLT menu option, you can see the voltage at idle. Then key up and see what it says. If it goes below 6, it is not charged and able to handle the load. You can watch this with the menu option while you operate a test. It is a valuable function when in the field.

At this moment my FT60 reads 7.7V on startup. It reads 7.6V under idle load. If I transmit on high, it drops to 6.6V. If I transmit on low it reads 7.2 V.

If the radio goes blank then flashes its display on transmit then comes back on, it means a low batt but can still listen or maybe even transmit on Low power setting. If it goes blank and shuts down, most likely a very low to dead or bad batt.

My 2 cents worth.


Re: radio shutting off when I press PTT

Ed
 

In my experience with online discussion boards, it's kind of par for the course to get some responses that come off as condescending.?

For whatever it's worth, I use the FT-60 and the battery is at 8.4 volts when it comes off the charger.


Re: radio shutting off when I press PTT

 

Well, evidently I’ll just have to wait until I get my replacement battery for the new battery I bought because I suspected the one I had was going bad. Tomorrow’s chore is to put my radio back together such that it works. Lessons for a relatively new ham, I suppose. I’ll know if you’re all right about Tuesday. Lol?

Here Im wanting to chew the fat with the locals and I’m having to hang out on the internet because stuff happens. Oh well I guess! I could always listen in on my Baofeng.?

Jayne
KD9WLM


Re: radio shutting off when I press PTT

Scott Thomas
 

It's my understanding that 7.2V reading on a fully charged battery is a bad battery.? It should read higher on a fully charged battery if it's a FNB-83 battery.? There is a lot of info on these batteries and checking the voltage different ways.?? Other than that....personally, I don't have an answer.? Hang in there and keep searching.? You will get it figured out.? This is a great and (very) popular HT.

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Re: radio shutting off when I press PTT

 

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Brother Murphy can take something working today and messed up tomorrow when really need. :)

"Whatever can go wrong, will go wrong at the most inopportune time. "

A lot of people (like me) get on computer when get home and have 20 or 30 emails, so they read yours and responded before they got to the other answers. :)

Good luck and have a good day/night

david

w5rda

On 10/28/2023 8:25 PM, Jayne Rising wrote:

As chance would have it, I do have a newly purchased battery that HRO has to replace because it’s bad. The thing is: I’ve been transmitting at that power level without any difficulty. I was transmitting yesterday at that level. This is the NiMH that came with my radio, which I bought used. The radio was purchased in 2008, the battery in 2019. Why the sudden dysfunction when my HT was working under these conditions yesterday??

I certainly plan to try again when I put it back together tomorrow. Another ham suggested checking for fried circuits and a bad capacitor.?


jayne?


Re: radio shutting off when I press PTT

 

As chance would have it, I do have a newly purchased battery that HRO has to replace because it’s bad. The thing is: I’ve been transmitting at that power level without any difficulty. I was transmitting yesterday at that level. This is the NiMH that came with my radio, which I bought used. The radio was purchased in 2008, the battery in 2019. Why the sudden dysfunction when my HT was working under these conditions yesterday??

I certainly plan to try again when I put it back together tomorrow. Another ham suggested checking for fried circuits and a bad capacitor.?


jayne?


Re: radio shutting off when I press PTT

Scott Thomas
 

Agree with John Thacker.? Sometimes odd things happen, but the answer may be more simple than we anticipate.? I have worked with tech support with computers for many, many years.? I always start with what "may" be the most simple answer, and then work from there...just as we should do in the medical field.? Dig deeper if needed.? Your situation seems very straight forward.? As mentioned, your voltage on that battery is too low after it was charged.? It could be a faulty charger, but it would be best to start with getting a new battery first.? This is most common.?? People are generally like family in these threads I have found.? Some just give straight and quick answers.? Try not to read too much into it.? Welcome aboard!? -Scott