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Re: 42 years for a dry joint from manufacturing to cause a problem!

 

Hi Peter,

It's amazing how long it has taken these dry joints to cause trouble. I guess it is all part of the "bath tub curve" theory that we were taught about reliability and the probability of failure over time.

73

Gordon

On Sun, 2 Apr 2023 at 05:27, Peter Roberts G4DJB <groups@...> wrote:
I can't beat that one Gordon, but I did have a dry joint on one of the circuit boards in my early FT-101 that only became apparent after ~35 years!

73

Peter



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Regards,

Gordon Hunter


Re: 42 years for a dry joint from manufacturing to cause a problem!

 

I can't beat that one Gordon, but I did have a dry joint on one of the circuit boards in my early FT-101 that only became apparent after ~35 years!

73

Peter


Re: New Final Tubes.. How to Neutralize?

 

Now That! I Do have.. forgot about it...? ?Thanks for the tip!


Re: New Final Tubes.. How to Neutralize?

 

Also an SDR receiver / dongle would work great. Can be bought for little money


On Wed, 29 Mar 2023, 00:32 Jose - KK7HSA, <palazuelos@...> wrote:
Awesome advice. I do have a Multimeter and a Dummy load to connect the output.? ? ? ? ?Wondering about the AM RAdio usage, as I have of course a Car AM , but I would presume I need an in frequency AM Radio receiver.?

I guess I'll try the cold method, with the removal of the ACC Plug as I'm inexperienced and don't want to spend 120 USD to get new tubes.


Re: New Final Tubes.. How to Neutralize?

 

Awesome advice. I do have a Multimeter and a Dummy load to connect the output.? ? ? ? ?Wondering about the AM RAdio usage, as I have of course a Car AM , but I would presume I need an in frequency AM Radio receiver.?

I guess I'll try the cold method, with the removal of the ACC Plug as I'm inexperienced and don't want to spend 120 USD to get new tubes.


Re: FT101ZD Mk1 AM RX but no SSB/CW

 

Hello,
You wrote that AM TX is improved with ALC on??
There is no ALC feedback on AM.
Have you set the bias current correctly??
(60mA)
What is the AM carrier plate current when you tune up the rig for AM TX.?
(should be around 100mA)

AM is actually a very straight forward signal path, especially on TX.?

There is no AM RX IF filter, they (unfortunately) use the SSB 2.3kHz SSB filter.?

Not sure I fully understood the issues you're having.?

On Sat, 11 Mar 2023, 15:04 ddelectrical via , <ddelectrical=[email protected]> wrote:
Hello fellow boat anchor enthusiasts. I have here a very clean FT101ZD Mk 1 recently donated by a colleague. It arrived with him with a known no TX fault. I have not done any TX tests yet. Just trying to get it to receive at the moment. The set only receives on AM - not on SSB / CW. There has been some work done on this set over the years so some red herrings may be in there somewhere. This set used to have RX on all bands but very unstable, (fast frequency jitter). I have been told that after pulling and replacing the three plug in boards, (RF unit, Pre-mix unit, Pre-mix local unit), the set went deaf to all but AM, . All co-ax connections checked OK and in the correct positions. Card slot pins all look fine. No busted tracks on pcb's.

Clues:
Clearly audible hiss in speaker on all non-working modes. AF PA good.
Very quiet SSB heard among the hiss with NB on and AF volume all the way up. Very unstable by the sound of it. Almost inaudible but it is there. Could just be induced across loom somewhere.
Dim control at full bright drops hiss volume a little bit. (12V rail).
All power rails check OK on Rect. A and Rect. B boards. 8V present on all mode settings at J1, AF pcb, pins 1,2,3 and 4.
3rd digit from left on display non functional, (Possibly Q10 or Q4 on display pcb - will tackle this later. Swapped segments and fault stays at position 3). Herring. It did this before going deaf.
When turning the RF gain with ALC off the AM RX is only present in one position. Increasing RF gain knocks out the signal again. There is only one "sweet spot" as it were.
AM signal sounds very over modulated. Better with ALC on.
Relays click in and out briefly sometimes when switching out of AM mode. (VOX? "clunk" through PA?). Possible herring.
Checked Q13, Q14, (FET), and Ge diodes D2 to D5 on AF pcb - all OK.
Continuity through relay on AF pcb OK.
There is a very slight hum in the speaker with volume down. This has occurred since set went deaf. 8V regulator on lower chassis side rail gets a little warm but nothing alarming. Steady 8V out for 12V input.
Clarifier seems to only shift one way on RX.
ATT switch scratchy but common to all modes, (I think), so doesn't explain lack of SSB / CW.
The pre-select control seems to need very little adjustment over each band to pull in AM stations compared to my Mk3. Fishy but also possibly non-herring.

Rotary band and mode switches cleaned and seem to be working fine. No crunching / crackling when wiggled.

Looks like more than one fault here. If I can get the SSB / CW RX back I can then tackle the frequency instability issue. Maybe it will even transmit one day!

Many hours spent with service manual and trying to understand all the frequency conversion stages in this set. Took me years to figure out what an IF actually is!

Very aware of 900V / 300V and how to discharge it before working on set. I'm 56 and still here!

Any input / advice most appreciated. I have a working Mk3 but loathed to start board swapping just for the sake of it. These sets are a real gem so it would be great to revive another one.

Thanks in advance. Have a good day everyone.

David, M0LFD


Re: New Final Tubes.. How to Neutralize?

 

I used both methods (hot and cold) and prefer the 'cold' method.
If you don't have a scope or just a simple AM radio to monitor RF output then a Germanium diode terminated with a resistor would do the trick.

Have a look here for the circuitry.?








On Tue, 28 Mar 2023, 20:17 Don VE3IDS, <ve3ids.don@...> wrote:
Jose,

I prefer the " cold neutralization " method by removing the ACC plug in the back to remove the heaters from the finals. Do you have a multimeter and a RF probe? If you don't have a probe, do you have a diode? You can measure the RF voltage at the antenna connector with a diode in series with the multimeter on DC volts. It is best to have a dummy load on the rig, not because you will be transmitting, just so it is terminated by 50 ohms during the neutralization. This method doesn't risk your finals and I have found it to work well.?

73 Don ve3ids?



On Tue., Mar. 28, 2023, 2:21 p.m. Jose - KK7HSA, <palazuelos@...> wrote:
Good day FT101ers...? I have a FT-101EE that is due for Final replacements as I only can get 40W out of the rig right now and I got myself a pair of 6JS6C Tubes that were tested in a tube checker to be 95% good life.

Im reading the service manual page 4-12 were it talks about the neutralization, and get conflicting videos on youtube on how to perform this procedure.? ?In One it has the use of an oscilloscope (which I don't have) and the second one using a second radio (Which I also don't have)?

Has anyone experienced problems using the method from the service manual, or has perhaps recorded a video of a neutralization effort per manual on youtube?

Thanks


Re: New Final Tubes.. How to Neutralize?

 

Jose,

I prefer the " cold neutralization " method by removing the ACC plug in the back to remove the heaters from the finals. Do you have a multimeter and a RF probe? If you don't have a probe, do you have a diode? You can measure the RF voltage at the antenna connector with a diode in series with the multimeter on DC volts. It is best to have a dummy load on the rig, not because you will be transmitting, just so it is terminated by 50 ohms during the neutralization. This method doesn't risk your finals and I have found it to work well.?

73 Don ve3ids?



On Tue., Mar. 28, 2023, 2:21 p.m. Jose - KK7HSA, <palazuelos@...> wrote:
Good day FT101ers...? I have a FT-101EE that is due for Final replacements as I only can get 40W out of the rig right now and I got myself a pair of 6JS6C Tubes that were tested in a tube checker to be 95% good life.

Im reading the service manual page 4-12 were it talks about the neutralization, and get conflicting videos on youtube on how to perform this procedure.? ?In One it has the use of an oscilloscope (which I don't have) and the second one using a second radio (Which I also don't have)?

Has anyone experienced problems using the method from the service manual, or has perhaps recorded a video of a neutralization effort per manual on youtube?

Thanks


New Final Tubes.. How to Neutralize?

 

Good day FT101ers...? I have a FT-101EE that is due for Final replacements as I only can get 40W out of the rig right now and I got myself a pair of 6JS6C Tubes that were tested in a tube checker to be 95% good life.

Im reading the service manual page 4-12 were it talks about the neutralization, and get conflicting videos on youtube on how to perform this procedure.? ?In One it has the use of an oscilloscope (which I don't have) and the second one using a second radio (Which I also don't have)?

Has anyone experienced problems using the method from the service manual, or has perhaps recorded a video of a neutralization effort per manual on youtube?

Thanks


Re: Early FT101 Serial Numbers

 

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Hello All

Thanks for the clarification!…Yes of course it is ‘71 not ‘91….I missed that too?

73

Steve


On 17 Mar 2023, at 10:58, Don VE3IDS <ve3ids.don@...> wrote:

?
Todd,

You are correct. A typo on my part. I was thinking 71 but for some reason hit 91. I have a E model built in 1975.?
Sorry for the confusion.?

73 Don ve3ids?

On Fri., Mar. 17, 2023, 10:51 a.m. Todd AL7PX via , <ic7461=[email protected]> wrote:
They didn't build 101's in 1991. The early 101's were built in the early 70's. Your rig was built in 1971. I have a "B" model built in 1974.?


Re: Early FT101 Serial Numbers

 

Todd,

You are correct. A typo on my part. I was thinking 71 but for some reason hit 91. I have a E model built in 1975.?
Sorry for the confusion.?

73 Don ve3ids?


On Fri., Mar. 17, 2023, 10:51 a.m. Todd AL7PX via , <ic7461=[email protected]> wrote:
They didn't build 101's in 1991. The early 101's were built in the early 70's. Your rig was built in 1971. I have a "B" model built in 1974.?


Re: Early FT101 Serial Numbers

Todd AL7PX
 

They didn't build 101's in 1991. The early 101's were built in the early 70's. Your rig was built in 1971. I have a "B" model built in 1974.?


Re: Early FT101 Serial Numbers

 

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Hi Don

My apologies I just recognized the link that you sent…exactly what I was looking for!???

Thank you !!!

Steve


On 16 Mar 2023, at 17:59, Don VE3IDS <ve3ids.don@...> wrote:

?
Steve,

I would say that your FT 101 was built in November of 1991.?


73 Don ve3ids?

On Thu., Mar. 16, 2023, 4:17 p.m. STEPHEN WIDDETT via , <stevewiddett=[email protected]> wrote:
Hello All

I am trying to understand the serial number on my FT101:

1M117016

I have been able to establish from the PCB number reference list that this is an early 25,000 or under model.

Does the 1M/1M11 have a meaning?

Is this then model number 17016?

Any guidance appreciated!

73

Steve
W8SAW






Re: Early FT101 Serial Numbers

 

Hi Steve,

That is the way I read it. That jives with when the FT 101 was produced. Have fun with it. They are a nice old classic.?

73 Don ve3ids?


On Thu., Mar. 16, 2023, 6:18 p.m. STEPHEN WIDDETT via , <stevewiddett=[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Don

Thanks for your response.!

So is this how to interpret:

1=91
M11=November
7016 is the serial number

Correct?

Thanks

Steve


On 16 Mar 2023, at 17:59, Don VE3IDS <ve3ids.don@...> wrote:

?
Steve,

I would say that your FT 101 was built in November of 1991.?


73 Don ve3ids?

On Thu., Mar. 16, 2023, 4:17 p.m. STEPHEN WIDDETT via , <stevewiddett=[email protected]> wrote:
Hello All

I am trying to understand the serial number on my FT101:

1M117016

I have been able to establish from the PCB number reference list that this is an early 25,000 or under model.

Does the 1M/1M11 have a meaning?

Is this then model number 17016?

Any guidance appreciated!

73

Steve
W8SAW






Re: Early FT101 Serial Numbers

 

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Hi Don

Thanks for your response.!

So is this how to interpret:

1=91
M11=November
7016 is the serial number

Correct?

Thanks

Steve


On 16 Mar 2023, at 17:59, Don VE3IDS <ve3ids.don@...> wrote:

?
Steve,

I would say that your FT 101 was built in November of 1991.?


73 Don ve3ids?

On Thu., Mar. 16, 2023, 4:17 p.m. STEPHEN WIDDETT via , <stevewiddett=[email protected]> wrote:
Hello All

I am trying to understand the serial number on my FT101:

1M117016

I have been able to establish from the PCB number reference list that this is an early 25,000 or under model.

Does the 1M/1M11 have a meaning?

Is this then model number 17016?

Any guidance appreciated!

73

Steve
W8SAW






Re: Early FT101 Serial Numbers

 

Steve,

I would say that your FT 101 was built in November of 1991.?


73 Don ve3ids?

On Thu., Mar. 16, 2023, 4:17 p.m. STEPHEN WIDDETT via , <stevewiddett=[email protected]> wrote:
Hello All

I am trying to understand the serial number on my FT101:

1M117016

I have been able to establish from the PCB number reference list that this is an early 25,000 or under model.

Does the 1M/1M11 have a meaning?

Is this then model number 17016?

Any guidance appreciated!

73

Steve
W8SAW






Re: How to align frequencies?

 

Just reach in behind the viewing glass and rotate the white 500KHz disk to where you want it. It is not really tightly mounted to the shaft.?


Re: How to align frequencies?

Todd AL7PX
 

Mine is the same way. The dial needle is actually on the other side (zero end) KHz mark slightly. The dial (back) behind the line doesn't track perfectly I've found from one extreme to the other in the 500 kHz VFO. The 102 had a better calibration. I'm use to it now.
Todd
AL7PX


Early FT101 Serial Numbers

 

Hello All

I am trying to understand the serial number on my FT101:

1M117016

I have been able to establish from the PCB number reference list that this is an early 25,000 or under model.

Does the 1M/1M11 have a meaning?

Is this then model number 17016?

Any guidance appreciated!

73

Steve
W8SAW


How to align frequencies?

 

Having some minor issue with the Main Tunning Dial. When calibration for the 100s (x.400) frequency in this case, Im almost 15-20 off from the visual mark. Anyway to correct this easily ?? Thx ?