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Re: Z21 App. Selecting correct module type for feedback.

 

I have answered my own question.

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What works for me is to use the feedback module type Roco 10808 CAN which has two settings.

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RA - Report Address (1-20) is the first address of each block of 8 Inputs.

I - Input (1-8). Is the actual Input number of block of 8 Inputs.

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This then gives the following.

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With the first DR4088LN-CS set with a start address of 1 then the first 8 Inputs are

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Left Hand Input block terminals numbered1-8

Sensor 01 Input Terminal 1 = Roco setting RA=1 I=1

Sensor 02 Input Terminal 2 = Roco setting RA=1 I=2

Sensor 03 Input Terminal 3 = Roco setting RA=1 I=3

Sensor 04 Input Terminal 4 = Roco setting RA=1 I=4

Sensor 05 Input Terminal 5 = Roco setting RA=1 I=5

Sensor 06 Input Terminal 6 = Roco setting RA=1 I=6

Sensor 07 Input Terminal 7 = Roco setting RA=1 I=7

Sensor 08 Input Terminal 8 = Roco setting RA=1 I=8

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Right Hand Input block terminals numbered 9-16

Sensor 09 Input Terminal 09 = Roco setting RA=2 I=1

Sensor 10 Input Terminal 10 = Roco setting RA=2 I=2

Sensor 11 Input Terminal 11 = Roco setting RA=2 I=3

Sensor 12 Input Terminal 12 = Roco setting RA=2 I=4

Sensor 13 Input Terminal 13 = Roco setting RA=2 I=5

Sensor 14 Input Terminal 14 = Roco setting RA=2 I=6

Sensor 15 Input Terminal 15 = Roco setting RA=2 I=7

Sensor 16 Input Terminal 16 = Roco setting RA=2 I=8

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With the second DR4088 S88N-SC which has start Address of 17 because it is slaved from the first DR4088 then the first 8 Inputs.

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Left Hand Input block terminals numbered1-8

Sensor 17 Input Terminal 1 = Roco setting RA=3 I=1

Sensor 18 Input Terminal 2 = Roco setting RA=3 I=2

Sensor 19 Input Terminal 3 = Roco setting RA=3 I=3

Sensor 20 Input Terminal 4 = Roco setting RA=3 I=4

Sensor 21 Input Terminal 5 = Roco setting RA=3 I=5

Sensor 22 Input Terminal 6 = Roco setting RA=3 I=6

Sensor 23 Input Terminal 7 = Roco setting RA=3 I=7

Sensor 24 Input Terminal 8 = Roco setting RA=3 I=8

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Right Hand Input block terminals numbered 9-16

Sensor 25 Input Terminal 09 = Roco setting RA=4 I=1

Sensor 26 Input Terminal 10 = Roco setting RA=4 I=2

Sensor 27 Input Terminal 11 = Roco setting RA=4 I=3

Sensor 28 Input Terminal 12 = Roco setting RA=4 I=4

Sensor 29 Input Terminal 13 = Roco setting RA=4 I=5

Sensor 30 Input Terminal 14 = Roco setting RA=4 I=6

Sensor 31 Input Terminal 15 = Roco setting RA=4 I=7

Sensor 32 Input Terminal 16 = Roco setting RA=4 I=8

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If you then take this on to the next Feedback module whose first Input is sensor 33 then:

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Left Hand Input block terminals numbered1-8

Sensor 33 Input Terminal 1 = Roco setting RA=5 I=1

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Right Hand Input block terminals numbered 9-16

Sensor 40 Input Terminal 09 = Roco setting RA=5 I=1

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The next Feedback module whose first Input is sensor 49 then:

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Left Hand Input block terminals numbered1-8

Sensor 49 Input Terminal 1 = Roco setting RA=7 I=1

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Right Hand Input block terminals numbered 9-16

Sensor 56 Input Terminal 09 = Roco setting RA=8 I=1

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Etc.

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This does mean however that the top limit of sensors that the Z21 App in this configuration will display is 160 but only if you start numbering your DR4088 with address 1

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The first Roco setting is

First Sensor (1) Input Terminal 1 = Roco setting RA=1 I=1

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Should you start with your DR4088 at address 33 then the first Roco setting is

First Sensor (1) Input Terminal 1 = Roco setting RA=5 I=1

So the total number of sensors that the Z21 App will display will be 136

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Now I am not saying that this is the only or correct solution but it will work for me.

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Also note that this only applies to the new version of the Z21 App as the original version of the App does not have the Roco 10808 CAN type listed.
Re: DR4018

 

Ok so problem solved, my CR signals are -ve common and the DR4018 are +ve common, used DR4103 adaptors and signals now working.
Z21 App. Selecting correct module type for feedback.

 

I have a DR5000 connected to DR4088LN-CS Box loconet feedback module with add on S88 feedback module giving 32 Loconet sensors.

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They all report correctly when connected to the DR5000 cofiguration app and by the RocRail with address starting at 33 +32 (ending at 65)

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When using the Z21 app how do I set up the sensor track items?

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There is the selection for 5 different devices.

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Roco 10787 R-BUS

Blucher GBM16XL/XN Loconet

Uhlenbrock 63320 Loconet

Uhulenbrock Lissy Loconet

Roco 10808 CAN

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The question is which is the correct feedback type to use?

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If I reset the DR4088LN-CS start address to 1 then I can read the first 20 inputs on the Roco and Ulenbrock types on the z21 app but nothing above that.

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So how do I get the z21 app to display occupied tracks with loconet addresses of 33 up?

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Many thanks.

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Colin

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Re: DR4018

 

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Well I’ve no idea if it’ll take it as the signal leds aren’t on, this is why I’m asking for help as it doesn’t mention that in the manual. I have the address on the layout on the z21 app ready to go.

Regards
Andy


On 23 Jun 2019, at 21:35, James <James@...> wrote:

To be fair I always set the start address of the dr4018 before I ever set cv47 it always works This way for me.?
James

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 at 21:33, andrew whitaker via Groups.Io <andy9202=[email protected]> wrote:
No because I’m not doing that yet, I need to change the preset in CV47 from 1 to 2, from po) ts to signals, so I can then set the start address for my signals.

Cheers
Andy
> On 23 Jun 2019, at 21:01, Chris Youlden <lists@...> wrote:
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> Hi Andrew
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> Have you set the start address for the 4018?
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> Chris
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>> On 23/06/2019 19:51, andrew whitaker via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Hi, need help with programming cv47 on a dr4018, I’ve followed the instructions in the manual for using the Z21 app and set up a dummy loco with address 9999, added the F0 function and then pressed the button on the 4018 got a steady red light, entered the address 9999, cv47 and set CV to 2 as I’m using it for signals, press the button to turn red light off on the 4018 but nothing happens, signals aren’t coming on for me to set them. What am I missing?
>> cheers Andy

Re: DR4018

 

To be fair I always set the start address of the dr4018 before I ever set cv47 it always works This way for me.?
James

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 at 21:33, andrew whitaker via Groups.Io <andy9202=[email protected]> wrote:
No because I’m not doing that yet, I need to change the preset in CV47 from 1 to 2, from po) ts to signals, so I can then set the start address for my signals.

Cheers
Andy
> On 23 Jun 2019, at 21:01, Chris Youlden <lists@...> wrote:
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> Hi Andrew
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> Have you set the start address for the 4018?
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> Chris
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>> On 23/06/2019 19:51, andrew whitaker via Groups.Io wrote:
>> Hi, need help with programming cv47 on a dr4018, I’ve followed the instructions in the manual for using the Z21 app and set up a dummy loco with address 9999, added the F0 function and then pressed the button on the 4018 got a steady red light, entered the address 9999, cv47 and set CV to 2 as I’m using it for signals, press the button to turn red light off on the 4018 but nothing happens, signals aren’t coming on for me to set them. What am I missing?
>> cheers Andy
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Re: DR4018

 

No because I’m not doing that yet, I need to change the preset in CV47 from 1 to 2, from po) ts to signals, so I can then set the start address for my signals.

Cheers
Andy

On 23 Jun 2019, at 21:01, Chris Youlden <lists@...> wrote:

Hi Andrew

Have you set the start address for the 4018?

Chris

On 23/06/2019 19:51, andrew whitaker via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi, need help with programming cv47 on a dr4018, I’ve followed the instructions in the manual for using the Z21 app and set up a dummy loco with address 9999, added the F0 function and then pressed the button on the 4018 got a steady red light, entered the address 9999, cv47 and set CV to 2 as I’m using it for signals, press the button to turn red light off on the 4018 but nothing happens, signals aren’t coming on for me to set them. What am I missing?
cheers Andy
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Re: DR4018

 

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Appreciate it James.

Andy


On 23 Jun 2019, at 20:59, James <James@...> wrote:

I will do a video tomorrow morning for you.
I have done one on this but maybe a more up to date might be good.?
James
DCC Train Automation

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 at 20:57, Iain Morrison <w.iain.morrison@...> wrote:

This is how I program my DR4018s

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of andrew whitaker via Groups.Io
Sent: 23 June 2019 19:52
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Digikeijs], JMRI, Rocrail, Itrain, Walthers, Tortise, Cobalt, Switch Machine, Roco, Throttle Dr4018

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Hi, need help with programming cv47 on a dr4018, I’ve followed the instructions in the manual for using the Z21 app and set up a dummy loco with address 9999, added the F0 function and then pressed the button on the 4018 got a steady red light, entered the address 9999, cv47 and set CV to 2 as I’m using it for signals, press the button to turn red light off on the 4018 but nothing happens, signals aren’t coming on for me to set them. What am I missing?

cheers Andy

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Many Thanks
James Hudson
DCC Train Automation
Re: DR4018

 

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Hi Iain,

I only have the Z21 app, I’m using it via a dr5000 so I don’t have that screen, thanks anyway.

Andy


On 23 Jun 2019, at 20:57, Iain Morrison <w.iain.morrison@...> wrote:

This is how I program my DR4018s

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of andrew whitaker via Groups.Io
Sent: 23 June 2019 19:52
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Digikeijs], JMRI, Rocrail, Itrain, Walthers, Tortise, Cobalt, Switch Machine, Roco, Throttle Dr4018

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Hi, need help with programming cv47 on a dr4018, I’ve followed the instructions in the manual for using the Z21 app and set up a dummy loco with address 9999, added the F0 function and then pressed the button on the 4018 got a steady red light, entered the address 9999, cv47 and set CV to 2 as I’m using it for signals, press the button to turn red light off on the 4018 but nothing happens, signals aren’t coming on for me to set them. What am I missing?

cheers Andy

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Re: DR4018

 

Hi Andrew

Have you set the start address for the 4018?

Chris

On 23/06/2019 19:51, andrew whitaker via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi, need help with programming cv47 on a dr4018, I’ve followed the instructions in the manual for using the Z21 app and set up a dummy loco with address 9999, added the F0 function and then pressed the button on the 4018 got a steady red light, entered the address 9999, cv47 and set CV to 2 as I’m using it for signals, press the button to turn red light off on the 4018 but nothing happens, signals aren’t coming on for me to set them. What am I missing?
cheers Andy
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Re: DR4018

 

I will do a video tomorrow morning for you.
I have done one on this but maybe a more up to date might be good.?
James
DCC Train Automation

On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 at 20:57, Iain Morrison <w.iain.morrison@...> wrote:

This is how I program my DR4018s

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of andrew whitaker via Groups.Io
Sent: 23 June 2019 19:52
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Digikeijs], JMRI, Rocrail, Itrain, Walthers, Tortise, Cobalt, Switch Machine, Roco, Throttle Dr4018

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Hi, need help with programming cv47 on a dr4018, I’ve followed the instructions in the manual for using the Z21 app and set up a dummy loco with address 9999, added the F0 function and then pressed the button on the 4018 got a steady red light, entered the address 9999, cv47 and set CV to 2 as I’m using it for signals, press the button to turn red light off on the 4018 but nothing happens, signals aren’t coming on for me to set them. What am I missing?

cheers Andy

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DCC Train Automation
Re: DR4018

 

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This is how I program my DR4018s

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of andrew whitaker via Groups.Io
Sent: 23 June 2019 19:52
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Digikeijs], JMRI, Rocrail, Itrain, Walthers, Tortise, Cobalt, Switch Machine, Roco, Throttle Dr4018

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Hi, need help with programming cv47 on a dr4018, I’ve followed the instructions in the manual for using the Z21 app and set up a dummy loco with address 9999, added the F0 function and then pressed the button on the 4018 got a steady red light, entered the address 9999, cv47 and set CV to 2 as I’m using it for signals, press the button to turn red light off on the 4018 but nothing happens, signals aren’t coming on for me to set them. What am I missing?

cheers Andy

Annotation 2019-06-23 205339.png

DR4018

 

Hi, need help with programming cv47 on a dr4018, I’ve followed the instructions in the manual for using the Z21 app and set up a dummy loco with address 9999, added the F0 function and then pressed the button on the 4018 got a steady red light, entered the address 9999, cv47 and set CV to 2 as I’m using it for signals, press the button to turn red light off on the 4018 but nothing happens, signals aren’t coming on for me to set them. What am I missing?

cheers Andy
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How to setup Rocrail with the DR5000, & 5088RC. by Rob Watton.

You can access this file at the URL:
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New Manuals and Firmware Updates from Digikeijs

 

Just been informed as of yesterday Digikeijs has new firmware and manuals for some of their products.

Have not looked at these yet.






Dennis
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Description:
New Document added to Digkeijs.groups.io. on how to do a Firmware update on the Roco WLANmaus throttle using the DR5000.

You can access this file at the URL:
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Re: DR5000 with a Lenz LH01 hand controller

 

Thank you Ryan.

Derek.
Re: DR5000 with a Lenz LH01 hand controller

 

Derek,

Yes, the XN is the XpressNet port for Lenz throttles.??

Ryan
DR5000 with a Lenz LH01 hand controller

 

Hi all,
Before I plug this all together and blow something up,
is the XN + FB port the correct port to plug the LH01 into?

Thanks for any help,
Derek.
Re: New file uploaded to [email protected]

 
Edited

The next document will explain what you want.?

The first Document was only suppose to clean up the grammar, translation and errors, not to change or add content.

The next document will be in more detail and will be called "Advanced".

It will show how to use JMRI Decoder Pro to make changes easier and faster.

I have 2 examples, both show how to split the DR4018 into 2 and 3 separate functions.

I have made the first draft of this document and sent it to Ryan for feedback last night.

if anyone else wants to help with document content and checking let me know.

Also if you have any specific setups that will help make it better.

Would like to have a few users with input.

Dennis
Re: New file uploaded to [email protected]

 

Hi Dennis

Thanks for the sight of the preliminary version.

The section which in my opinion needs more explanation is paras 6 and 7 i.e. how to reprogram the 4018 outputs to operate different types of accessories. I understand how to program with presets, and have successfully done so.

But how does one achieve the first para 6 example of 6 different presets, for example?

Maybe a couple of programming examples with explanatory values?

many thanks

Chris

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US Version of the the DR4018 manual. This is a preliminary version and some errors may still need to be found and corrected. If you see anything wrong, missing or needs more information please post it on this website. I will either add it to this manual or to the Advanced manual if it is needed. If nothing needs to be changed within 2 weeks then the (preliminary) will be removed from this manual. Digikeijs has a copy of this manual also. Owner Dennis Cherry
You can access this file at the URL:
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