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Re: Railcom with JMRI Reporters working on TCS CS-105 through Digikeijs DR5088RC

 

Whoopee..
Personally looking at 5 units to go with my 2 Digikeijs DR5088RC units...
Re: Railcom with JMRI Reporters working on TCS CS-105 through Digikeijs DR5088RC

 

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Looking forward, need one to complete my block detection.

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The DR5088RC will still be used, it is working flawlessly with the bias resistors I posted earlier on the forum.

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Dennis Cherry

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Using my Desktop Computer, not my PCD.

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Dennis Cherry
Owner/Moderator
Re: Railcom with JMRI Reporters working on TCS CS-105 through Digikeijs DR5088RC

 

Won‘t take long anymore. Dev. is ready, waiting for a production slot ;)
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(YD6016LN-RC)
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greets,
Karst
Railcom with JMRI Reporters working on TCS CS-105 through Digikeijs DR5088RC

 
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I was discussing RailCom and the CS-105 earlier. ?I had not seen anyone post about getting RailCom to work with JMRI Reporters through the Digikeijs DR5088RC and a RR-Circuits LCC-LocoNet Gateway on the CS-105. ?I was surprised to have just got this combination to work.

Here are the hardware and software versions of the components I confirmed worked together on my benchtop:
1. TCS CS-105 HW-Rev-E, SW v2.2.1
2. TCS B-106 ? HW-Rev-C, SW v1.0
3. DCC Specialties PSXX HW-Rev-C, SW Rev-G
4. Digikeijs DR5088RC - SW v1.4.2
5. ESU LokSound 5 DCC Decoder 21MTC #58429
6. RR-Cirkits LCC-LocoNet Gateway HW-Rev-D, SW rev-B8h
7. JMRI v5.11.2
8. Java v11.0.14
9. Windows 10

We just need that YaMoRC YD6016LN-RC to come out.
Re: DR4088LN-CS with DR4088CS some of my sensed blocks activate with just a touch of the sensed wire

 

I started another thread for the double tap wheel gap activation issue. It was solved by changing the default sensor delay in JMRI. As far as I know you cannot change any detection setting related to this issue in the YD7001 or the DR4088's.
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The single rail activation does not seem to be causing any issues with the train detection its just weird.
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Mike's Deep Run RR
Virginia USA

YD7001 command station
DR4024 servo switchers? DR4088LN-CS DR4088CS
DR5013 reverse loop? DR5033 boosters
JMRI/CATS and Enet loconet connection
Re: DR4088LN-CS with DR4088CS trailing blocks turn on and off when metal wheels pass over insulated jointer

 

Iain
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Thank you for your response. As you indicated there is no where that I have found to add a delay to prevent these nuisance detections.?
I am using JMRI so I went to the sensor table/defaults/global setting and set the on/off delays to 200ms for all of my sensors. ?
This is working quite nicely and the panel display has a nice smooth look to it as the train moves from block to block.
I could have gone faster but I did not care for the look.
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Mike
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Mike's Deep Run RR
Virginia USA

YD7001 command station
DR4024 servo switchers? DR4088LN-CS DR4088CS
DR5013 reverse loop? DR5033 boosters
JMRI/CATS and Enet loconet connection
Re: DR4088LN-CS with DR4088CS trailing blocks turn on and off when metal wheels pass over insulated jointer

 

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In software other than JMRI (or feedbacks other than DR4088xx) this ‘bouncing’ can be cured by increasing the feedback switch-on delay slightly, from 0ms to 25ms, or even 50ms. This creates enough time for the wheel to bridge the gap and move on before showing occupancy.

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There may be a similar setting in JMRI that you can change because if memory serves correctly the DR4088xx doesn’t have any LN CVs that you could use to increase this switch on delay.

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Iain Morrison

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Mike's DeepRun RR via groups.io
Sent: 30 January 2025 20:50
To: [email protected]
Subject: DR4088LN-CS with DR4088CS trailing blocks turn on and off when metal wheels pass over insulated jointer

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Thanks in advance.

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When running a train with multiple cars and a single engine the first block activate as expected when the engine enters it but then when the trailing cars with metal wheels cross the insulated jointer between blocks the trailing block activates for an instant. This does not happen with every car or with every block pair. I can track the activation using the YD7001 loconet feed back monitor, and the loconet monitor in JMRI.

The layout panel in JMRI also flashes the trailing block while the block with the engine remains solid.

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I have three power districts one powered by the YD7001 and two DR5033 boosters. Each district has its own set of DR4088LN-CS and DR4088CS? with two 64 and one 48 sensed tracks.

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For block wiring I have the sensed wire and the common wire connected to the track with both ends of the block rails isolated from the adjoining blocks.? I insulate the common wire also.

The sensed wires go to a DR4088 input and the common wire goes a terminal block. These are powered from the command module or booster main bus outputs.

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My hope is there is a setting in the YD7001 or JMRI that would allow me to reject the false detections.?

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I tried the 470 ohm shunt on one of the problem sensors but it did not help.

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I think this has been happening for a while but I just started paying attention to it.

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My equipment is about 4 years old and bought mostly at the same time.?

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Thanks for you help?

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Mike

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Mike's Deep Run RR
Virginia USA

YD7001 command station
DR4024 servo switchers? DR4088LN-CS DR4088CS
DR5013 reverse loop? DR5033 boosters
JMRI/CATS and Enet loconet connection
DR4088LN-CS with DR4088CS trailing blocks turn on and off when metal wheels pass over insulated jointer

 

Thanks in advance.
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When running a train with multiple cars and a single engine the first block activate as expected when the engine enters it but then when the trailing cars with metal wheels cross the insulated jointer between blocks the trailing block activates for an instant. This does not happen with every car or with every block pair. I can track the activation using the YD7001 loconet feed back monitor, and the loconet monitor in JMRI.
The layout panel in JMRI also flashes the trailing block while the block with the engine remains solid.
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I have three power districts one powered by the YD7001 and two DR5033 boosters. Each district has its own set of DR4088LN-CS and DR4088CS? with two 64 and one 48 sensed tracks.
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For block wiring I have the sensed wire and the common wire connected to the track with both ends of the block rails isolated from the adjoining blocks.? I insulate the common wire also.
The sensed wires go to a DR4088 input and the common wire goes a terminal block. These are powered from the command module or booster main bus outputs.
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My hope is there is a setting in the YD7001 or JMRI that would allow me to reject the false detections.?
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I tried the 470 ohm shunt on one of the problem sensors but it did not help.
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I think this has been happening for a while but I just started paying attention to it.
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My equipment is about 4 years old and bought mostly at the same time.?
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Thanks for you help?
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Mike
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Mike's Deep Run RR
Virginia USA

YD7001 command station
DR4024 servo switchers? DR4088LN-CS DR4088CS
DR5013 reverse loop? DR5033 boosters
JMRI/CATS and Enet loconet connection
Re: YD8008 with YD6940 and Kato Unitrack turnouts

 

Karst
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Thanks for this advice I'll upgrade my PSU.
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Before reading your post I'd actually come to a similar conclusion that it was a power supply issue. I was originally powering two YD8116s together with the three YD8008 from the 12 volt power supply. I moved one of YD8116s (which was controlling relays) to another supply and everything worked as it should do with no missed turnout switching. I was even able to reduce the pulse times down to the defaults of 30ms.
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Regards
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Graham
Re: YD8008 with YD6940 and Kato Unitrack turnouts

 

On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 08:39 AM, grahammjmason wrote:
I'm using a 12 volt dc 3 amp power supply.
There lies your problem, our experience is, that the Kato's connected to the YD8008/6940 combo need 15V PSU of about 400mA minimum.

Reason: Both YD8008 (1.2V) and YD6940 (0.7) introduce a voltage drop. So effectively your Kato's only receive 10.1 Volts. That's not enough.

On Wed, Jan 29, 2025 at 08:39 AM, Iain Morrison wrote:
I wonder if the YD8008 are the correct switches to be using with Kato turnouts.
Yes they are. Although a YD8116 can supply the current, it provides steady power, which destroys the Kato's ;)

Greets,
Karst
Re: DR4088LN-CS with DR4088CS some of my sensed blocks activate with just a touch of the sensed wire

 

I discovered tonight a wiring booboo. When I switched to tortoise switch machines I powered some of the frogs with straight booster power. So when the engine goes over the frog the power is not sensed by the DR4088.
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That is causing some of my double tap CS low /high activity.
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I do not think it is causing the single rail sensing though.?
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Tomorrow I will pull all of the tortoise plugs and see what happens.
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Mike's Deep Run RR
Virginia USA

YD7001 command station
DR4024 servo switchers? DR4088LN-CS DR4088CS
DR5013 reverse loop? DR5033 boosters
JMRI/CATS and Enet loconet connection
Re: YD8008 with YD6940 and Kato Unitrack turnouts

 

Iain
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I took my advice from the YaMoRC website.? It clearly states that for Kato points you need to use the YD8008 with the YD6940 to convert to 2 wire from 3 wire.? I had originally thought about the YD8116 but the website says that it's not suitable for solenoids. Although the Kato is a solenoid I agree is nothing like the heavy duty ones you refer to.
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Graham
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Re: YD8008 with YD6940 and Kato Unitrack turnouts

 

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Graham,

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I wonder if the YD8008 are the correct switches to be using with Kato turnouts. The common use for the YD8008 is power hungry solenoids such as the Peco/Seep style that need a real thump of current to move. The Kato items I have dealt with work reliably with a much lower power requirement.

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With the YD8008 being a CDU there can be a delay in the capacitors charging up (time varies on the power supply) and this may be why you are having challenges. Personally, I would have thought that the YD8116 would work perfectly for your turnouts.

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Iain Morrison

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of grahammjmason via groups.io
Sent: 29 January 2025 16:06
To: [email protected]
Subject: YD8008 with YD6940 and Kato Unitrack turnouts

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I'm having problems with the reliability when using this combination with iTrain. They occur mostly in automatic mode but do also? when manually operating individual turnouts or when using the track route button in iTrain.

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The issues mostly occur with the double crossover (KTO20210) where occasionally it fails to operate.? I'm using two of these and the same problem occurs with both. The pulse time in the YD8008 is set to 300ms for the ordinary turnouts and 650ms for the double crossovers.? I've increased the pulse times gradually in an effort to improve the situation.? Most ordinary turnouts work okay.? I'm currently using three YD8008s all with YD6940s.? I'm using a 12 volt dc 3 amp power supply.

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Is there a recommended pulse time for Kato Unitrack turnouts in order to get the optimum from the switching process?

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I'm using the default settings in iTrain of 250ms for the activation time.

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In simulation mode and in live mode iTrain behaves as expected ie all turnouts operate on the switchboard.? So I can see when routes are set that the turnouts have changed on the switchboard but have not moved on the physical layout.? Also the problems seem to occur some way into an operating session, so they are nearly always okay for the first few train movements.

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Would appreciate some advice from someone who may have a similar setup.

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Thanks

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Graham

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YD8008

YD7010

YD8116

YD6016LN-CS

iTrain 5.1

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YD8008 with YD6940 and Kato Unitrack turnouts

 

I'm having problems with the reliability when using this combination with iTrain. They occur mostly in automatic mode but do also? when manually operating individual turnouts or when using the track route button in iTrain.
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The issues mostly occur with the double crossover (KTO20210) where occasionally it fails to operate.? I'm using two of these and the same problem occurs with both. The pulse time in the YD8008 is set to 300ms for the ordinary turnouts and 650ms for the double crossovers.? I've increased the pulse times gradually in an effort to improve the situation.? Most ordinary turnouts work okay.? I'm currently using three YD8008s all with YD6940s.? I'm using a 12 volt dc 3 amp power supply.
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Is there a recommended pulse time for Kato Unitrack turnouts in order to get the optimum from the switching process?
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I'm using the default settings in iTrain of 250ms for the activation time.
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In simulation mode and in live mode iTrain behaves as expected ie all turnouts operate on the switchboard.? So I can see when routes are set that the turnouts have changed on the switchboard but have not moved on the physical layout.? Also the problems seem to occur some way into an operating session, so they are nearly always okay for the first few train movements.
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Would appreciate some advice from someone who may have a similar setup.
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Thanks
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Graham
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YD8008
YD7010
YD8116
YD6016LN-CS
iTrain 5.1
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DR4088LN-CS with DR4088CS some of my sensed blocks activate with just a touch of the sensed wire

 

I have just discovered after adding additional blocks that some of the track when just the sensed rail is touched with my finger it will activate the sensor and generate the message of an active block.
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What I discovered is when metal wheels on the cars cross the insulated jointer between what is the active block where the engine is and the block no longer occupied by the engine.
The previous block would activate because of the metal wheel on the car.?
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Has anyone seen this before the single rail activation and is there a solution??
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I insulate both rails between blocks and run the pair of feeder wires back to the DR4088 for sense and a collocated terminal block for the non-sensed wire.
My main bus is 14 gauge and my drops are 20 gauge. Drops are a few inches to maybe max of 4 feet.
DCC voltage measured with a RRAmpmeter is 14.2 volts on one booster and 14.4 on the other . This is for ho.
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Thanks for your help.
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Mike's Deep Run RR
Virginia USA

YD7001 command station
DR4024 servo switchers? DR4088LN-CS DR4088CS
DR5013 reverse loop? DR5033 boosters
JMRI/CATS and Enet loconet connection
Re: YD6016LN-RC

 

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Fingers crossed that it is soon ?

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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Tank via groups.io
Sent: 25 January 2025 10:55
To: [email protected]
Subject: YD6016LN-RC

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Hello,

Is there any information when this Railcom detector module will be released?

Thanks

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YD6016LN-RC

 

Hello,
Is there any information when this Railcom detector module will be released?
Thanks
Re: DCC EXT DR4018?

 

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You need a YD8116

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of rog.pearson via groups.io
Sent: 24 January 2025 08:34
To: [email protected]
Subject: DCC EXT DR4018?

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I have a YD7001 that I believe supports DCCExt. Can I use DCCExt with a DR4018 or do I need a ?YD8116?

I use ITrain which also supports DCCExt.

Roger
DCC EXT DR4018?

 

I have a YD7001 that I believe supports DCCExt. Can I use DCCExt with a DR4018 or do I need a ?YD8116?
I use ITrain which also supports DCCExt.
Roger
Re: DR5000 & Cobalt Problems

 

well well well
looks like i have the same problem with the adsx2 loosing addresses
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if I use a sprogg3 the problem disapears
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