Re: Tip: Updating software / Firmware on YD7001
Hello Richard,
there was only a minor change in 59, so Karst didn't announced it.
But I think soon there will be a new build, because 2 days ago he found the reason of the 4 client limit on the WLAN interface. I got a beta version from him and tested 8 clients via WLAN. The maximum is 10 clients, but I had only 8 devices.
best regards from Germany
Frank
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Chris ? Page 4 of this link would seem to provide the information you ask ¨C at least for a YD8116 which is what I assume you mean? ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of chrisbenefield60@...
Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2023 10:15 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: YaMoRC, Digikeijs, JMRI, English Short Protection? [Edited Message Follows]
[Reason: chrisbenefield60@...] On a club layout we have had a number of channel failures on the Digikeijs DR4018 units which I believe have been caused by accidental shorts occurring. As far as I know these units contain no short protection. Obviously these are now history but my question is does the Yamorc replacement (the YD8126?) suffer from the same issue or do the outputs have short protection.
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Re: Tip: Updating software / Firmware on YD7001
I also missed the update notice for the build 59. Some how I don't think that it was posted in one of the forums.
I haven't been able to find any release notes for this build. It would be nice to have some.
Yours,
Richard
Edited on Wednesday, 27 September 2023 at 09:52 (GMT + 2) ¨¤ Blainville sur mer, Normandie, France;
sent later
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Re: Tip: Updating software / Firmware on YD7001
Karst did post build 55 availability in the YaMoRC forum back in April.
He does give update instructions in there plus 1 step I had ignored in the WiFi update section - you need to tick the SPIFFS button.
I didn't see a notice for the build 59 though. I only spotted that by accident.
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On a club layout we have had a number of channel failures on the Digikeijs DR4018 units which I believe have been caused by accidental shorts occurring. As far as I know these units contain no short protection. Obviously these are now history but my question is does the Yamorc replacement (the YD8126?) suffer from the same issue or do the outputs have short protection.
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Re: Replacement enclosures
I only need the base part, with the attachment holes. Small size.
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Re: Replacement enclosures
Hi,
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Large or small ?
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Large ones I have in black, small ones in blue...
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If it's only about the base, I also have the small ones in black ;)?
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Greets,
Karst
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Re: Function key 2 (F2) is latching / non-momentary on the YD7001 ?
Jay,
The way I see it, each decoder in a locomotive iinternally has mapping to an action - whether it be turn on the siren, start the dynamic brake sound and throttle back the engine note, or any of the other sounds a loco can make.
Wanting the command station to override every function in every make and model of decoder sounds impossible to me. At least that's what I think you are basically asking for.
A club has unique problems which I am grateful I don't have to deal with. I can personally choose to use LokSound v5 decoders in all my locos and map them identically. When I get a new loco I simply copy the file and change the minimum settings needed. A few minutes work on LokProgrammer. Of course that means I can't really use Soundtraxx decoders because they have DDE which has no LokSound equivalent - and so on. Standardize on a limited number of functions and you might be able to make it work thus ignoring the unique features of a decoder brand and even newer revisions.
As for a club, what happens when some assertive person turns up wanting to use their loco but refuses to tinker with its settings?
Back to my hobby horse - the best we can ask of a command station is to manage latching function keys which it seems very few throttles want to do. From what I am reading here, there are several command stations or interfaces that do allow control over latching. If we want to use the YD7001 to control the commands to the decoders with WiFi or via a wired interface then it needs to have latching overrides for each loco in a roster that can ideally import settings.
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Re: Function key 2 (F2) is latching / non-momentary on the YD7001 ?
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I am beginning to think that the supposed standardization of F0, F1 and F2 is limited to the North American command station makers. I have checked out or spoken?with owners of several of the North America command station manufactures and many seem to support F2 out of the box as non-latching?or momentary.? Friends confirm that MRC and Digitrax support this. It appears that the Digitrax LNWI supports it too based?on my testing.
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I have confirmed?on my home layout that NCE supports this - in fact the NCE hammerhead?throttles all have a horn button and in their documentation they say that 'On an NCE Cab per the NMRA standard:' .......? ?'The Horn button is ALWAYS the Horn and cannot be remapped.'? ?Further?the Horn button and F2 are mapped the same out of the box, but F2 can be remapped in the command station to control other things (confirmed on my PowerCab).
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I have been unable to discover any NMRA standard on this topic - I have searched 3 or 4 times for one plus hour each time and can find nothing to define how throttle function keys are expected to to be standardized.? Perhaps someone else can find something I cannot, and post to this thread.
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As for doing this on a per loco basis, here is some input:
- York Railway Modellers has about 90 locos on the layout - club and member owned - probably 60 plus with sound.? We also have about 25 visiting locos and growing - these are ones that members sometimes bring to our operation nights; most of these have sound.
- Decoder programming at the club is done by members using an NCE PowerCab, JMRI or an ESU LokProgrammer. Some members do their programming at home.? Key point is that there is no single source of definitions of how a decoder is set up.
- Yes, I would agree with a large effort all the decoders could be read and their CVs stored in JMRI, so that they could then be extracted for use on something else.
- Keeping something else up to date would be challenging given the number of members and locos we are dealing with (to prevent duplicate?long addresses from getting on the layout I maintain a master list to which members are supposed to register their locos, but this does not always happen :-(??
If the chosen path is to create a roster on an individual loco basis, and store the information in the YD7001/YD9401 here are a couple of thoughts:
- You should have a set of global function key defaults that can then be overridden on an individual loco basis.? This will satisfy the groups like York Railway Modellers who want F2 to be momentary/non-latching for all of our locos.? This would probably satisfy other users who have commented on this topic to establish standards across their loco fleet - set the function keys once and every loco is set to the user's standard.
- Out of the box (and if a reset to factory defaults is done), each function key should be latching in the function key defaults - press first time and it?is on, press second time and it is off.? This seems to be the way these function keys were intended to work.
- If there is an individual loco definition, it overrides the global default.? But do not force the user to specify a behaviour for every function key - only the ones they want to be different from the global default.
- Do not make it mandatory to have a computer connected to the YD7001/YD9401 from which the roster data is read when the YD7001/YD9401 is started.? We do not need yet another component that must start to get the layout operational.? In the case of York Railway Modellers we have one switch that powers up everything in the layout room except the lights - computers take much longer that the YD7001/YD9401 to start.
I believe that there should be some way to import the individual loco definitions from an external source.? For North America this is probably JMRI, although?there may be other?opinions.. I have no idea what this would be for other users around the world.
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The number of function keys individual throttles support continues to grow.? Most now support F0 to F28.? Having?looked at many NMRA documents, it appears that this could grow to be F0 to F63 in the future.
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One other comment.? One of our members suggested a concept from the software industry could be used.? It is called?locale?which allows for the setting of currency ($ vs Euro, etc), date format (mm/dd/yyyy vs dd/mm/yyyy), etc in defaults. Locale is usually set to a country.? Locale is most likely more than is needed for this situation, but it would provide any ability to give geographic?customization to the global function key defaults.
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Jay Lennox - Toronto
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Re: Tip: Updating software / Firmware on YD7001
Thanks Jay, this was very helpful. I had been downlevel. I had assumed the Windows app would let me know when updates were available and just pull them in on command. Now I know that I need to monitor the product support tab on the website and download these manually. Announcements of updates on this list would be helpful... :)
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Perhaps no one else will miss the step that I missed when updating the YD7001, but hopefully someone else will benefit from me documenting my error.
Many of us have been applying updates to the DR5000 for several years.? Here it was a two step process:
- Install the update software on the Windows system
- Update the DR5000 firmware - click on the USB button on the DR5000 image to open the DR5000 - USB Properties window,?then click on 'Update DR5000' button.
With the DR5000 upgraded to be a YD7001 (by the installation of the YD9401) the update process for the YD7001 becomes a three step process:
- Install the update software on the Windows system
- Update the YD7001 firmware - click on the USB button on the YD7001 image to open the YD7001 - USB Properties window,?then click on 'Update YD7001' button.
- Update the YD9401 firmware - click on the WiFI button on the YD7001 image to open the WiFi Props Properties window,?then click on the Expert tab, where you will then click on the Update thunderbolt in the red box on the lower right quarter.
I missed this last step repeatedly and hence was not installing the firmware updates on the YD9401. Until I discovered my error, I could not figure out why the improvements YaMoRC was making available to me for testing were not working, when Karst continued to state they were working in his environment.?
Hopefully someone else will benefit from this post.
Jay Lennox - Toronto
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Tip: Updating software / Firmware on YD7001
Hi Perhaps no one else will miss the step that I missed when updating the YD7001, but hopefully someone else will benefit from me documenting my error. Many of us have been applying updates to the DR5000 for several years.? Here it was a two step process:
- Install the update software on the Windows system
- Update the DR5000 firmware - click on the USB button on the DR5000 image to open the DR5000 - USB Properties window,?then click on 'Update DR5000' button.
With the DR5000 upgraded to be a YD7001 (by the installation of the YD9401) the update process for the YD7001 becomes a three step process:
- Install the update software on the Windows system
- Update the YD7001 firmware - click on the USB button on the YD7001 image to open the YD7001 - USB Properties window,?then click on 'Update YD7001' button.
- Update the YD9401 firmware - click on the WiFI button on the YD7001 image to open the WiFi Props Properties window,?then click on the Expert tab, where you will then click on the Update thunderbolt in the red box on the lower right quarter.
I missed this last step repeatedly and hence was not installing the firmware updates on the YD9401. Until I discovered my error, I could not figure out why the improvements YaMoRC was making available to me for testing were not working, when Karst continued to state they were working in his environment.? Hopefully someone else will benefit from this post. Jay Lennox - Toronto
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Re: Replacement enclosures
Check Iron Planet, I bought some in the Past from Ryan
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Hello, I removed the tabs on some of my enclosures and I want to see if I can get replacements. I think it is a standard enclosure, just not sure what to search for. --
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i may have a dr5000 with the yd9401 upgrade for sale ?175 + P&P
if anyone interested
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Withrottle dont full work with YD7001
I upgrade my DR5000 to YD7001 with the new WIFI chips and when we use WITHROTTLE on the I PHONE
only 1 channel is working we have the full version ,not both of them working on the phone one? stay red on
the phone
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Is other people have this problem?
Jacques
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Re: Function key 2 (F2) is latching / non-momentary on the YD7001 ?
I use F3, F7 and F12 as non latching just to complicate it. The main functions are all the same on my locos.
With Withrottle or JMRI throttles I have JMRI set up for each loco to handle latching using the labels function, this also puts the correct labels on the function buttons.
Our modular group uses Lenz, here all functions for a loco in the memory can be set as latching or momentary and stays until the address is removed from memory.
Mike Ruby
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Re: De sensitise DR4088LN-CS inputs.
Heath: thanks for sharing!!
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Re: De sensitise DR4088LN-CS inputs.
Yes,
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We have provided for a fixed input filter with an additional, adjustable, digital filter.
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Customers report the complete absence of "ghosts" after swapping a happily "ghosting" DR4088 with an YD6016 ?
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Greets,
Karst
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Re: De sensitise DR4088LN-CS inputs.
Karst, are you suggesting that the?YD6016xx-CS units do not suffer the same potential issue that the Digikeijs 4088 have?
Paul
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Re: Function key 2 (F2) is latching / non-momentary on the YD7001 ?
I also have some experience with this problem.
Firstly the Z21 app which works with both DR5000 and YD7001, allows you to set latching (switch) or unlatching (push button) for all functions for each loco.
I also use the WiThrottle/Engine driver with WiFiTrax. They have several products a NCE a wireless interface the WFD-30, and wireless modules for battery trains etc WFD-60 and WDMI-27 and 32. These all allow for each function to be latched or unlatched. Once set WiThrottle and Engine Driver are latched and unlatched as per the individual setting per function and per loco.
So it can be done with a roster that has the locos and functions and type of latching required.
Cheers Brian
Brian Anderson
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