Re: DR5000 LocoNet throttle support
Ryan
You said 'The only known Digitrax throttles that aren't working yet are the (R) throttles when used wirelessly with a UR91.'? Do you have any details on the problems with these?
I was in the process of starting to play with a UR91 and two UT4Rs that one of the members brought into the club when Canada got forced into the COVID-19 lock down.? They worked for a minute or two and then the just stopped controlling the train.? I thought it might be a battery issue or the distance the UTR4s were from the UR91, but I have not had a chance to investigate further as we are still being asked not to gather with other than the people you live with.
Do you have any other information you can provide as to what happens when we try to use UT4Rs with a UR91 that would be useful?? It is beginning to sound like I may be wasting my time to try to get this configuration to work.? Our DR5000 is on firmware version 1.5.5.
Thanks
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Re: DR5013 problem - it sees a short when there isn't one
Unfortunately, this is not a problem that I can live with -- the loco might move 2 inches or so and then stop. I might put up with with once a month or so, but not whenever it moves!
Scott
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Re: DR5013 problem - it sees a short when there isn't one
Scott
I have 2 x 5013 and I see this fault regularly, at least once a week and I have moved the 5013 to where I can press the reset button easily.
Iain
Iain Morrison
07767 456746
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I've been configuring two new DR5013's and almost had everything right when a new symptom developed -- a locomotive would run into the block for a foot or two, and then the DR5013 would act as if a short had developed. It would retry a number times and
then stop - sending a "Global Power Off" message on the LocoNet. I put a RRampMeter on the DR5013 and it was showing .10 amps when the locomotive was not moving (and about 12.3 volts). As long the locomotive was not moving the power was fine (it's a sound
loco with a LokSound V5 decoder, and the sound continues to run). As soon as gave ANY throttle (even only 1 notch), the DR5013 would shut down. Pressing the Reverse button on the DR5013, turning track power off and back on would bring the power back, as long
as the throttle on the loco was at 0. Thinking I had misconfigured it, I brought up the Configure program and reset it back to defaults. Same symptoms. I hadn't fully configured my other DR5013, so I reset that back to defaults and swapped it in. Same symptoms.
I took the DR5013 completely out of the circuit (of course I can't run across the reversed joints), but the loco runs fine that way -- no shorts and never goes above 0.83 amps at 15.5 volts (with the loco running fast. Running slowly it stayed around 0.40
to 0.50 amps. With loco at idle, it was about 0.10 and with it out of the reversing block completely, it was 0.06 amp (just about what it takes to run the RRampMeter).
The environment is the main block is controlled by a Digitrax DCS240 (that's where the two reversing tracks are), the power disctrict has A DCS100 running as a booster. There are two LocoNets - one for the trottles, the UR92 duplex receivers and throttles.
The seond LocoNet has a BDL168, a BXP88, and RR-Cirkits devices running the signals, Tortoises and panel buttons and LED's. There are 2 DCC Specilities circuit breakers on the DCS240 circuit, but the DR5013 are wired direct to the command station. The wiring
is not new -- the DR5013 are replacing 2 DCC specialities reversers so I can get addtional information from the track (RailCom feedback). My JMRI has two LocoBuffer USB's to connect to the layout (JMRI is what controls the signals). I have never connected
more than one DigiKeijs device to the computer at the same time, and the DR5013 Commisioning manual indicates that that is permissible. The LocoBuffer's are Opto-Isolated, so they should not cause problems.
I'm completely at a loss here - does anyone have any suggestions? Do I have a configuration issue (I don't see how as I have reset them back to default, and they both behave the same way). Or do I have two that have failed the same way?
Scott Walton
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DR5013 problem - it sees a short when there isn't one
I've been configuring two new DR5013's and almost had everything right when a new symptom developed -- a locomotive would run into the block for a foot or two, and then the DR5013 would act as if a short had developed. It would retry a number times and then stop - sending a "Global Power Off" message on the LocoNet. I put a RRampMeter on the DR5013 and it was showing .10 amps when the locomotive was not moving (and about 12.3 volts). As long the locomotive was not moving the power was fine (it's a sound loco with a LokSound V5 decoder, and the sound continues to run). As soon as gave ANY throttle (even only 1 notch), the DR5013 would shut down. Pressing the Reverse button on the DR5013, turning track power off and back on would bring the power back, as long as the throttle on the loco was at 0. Thinking I had misconfigured it, I brought up the Configure program and reset it back to defaults. Same symptoms. I hadn't fully configured my other DR5013, so I reset that back to defaults and swapped it in. Same symptoms. I took the DR5013 completely out of the circuit (of course I can't run across the reversed joints), but the loco runs fine that way -- no shorts and never goes above 0.83 amps at 15.5 volts (with the loco running fast. Running slowly it stayed around 0.40 to 0.50 amps. With loco at idle, it was about 0.10 and with it out of the reversing block completely, it was 0.06 amp (just about what it takes to run the RRampMeter).
The environment is the main block is controlled by a Digitrax DCS240 (that's where the two reversing tracks are), the power disctrict has A DCS100 running as a booster. There are two LocoNets - one for the trottles, the UR92 duplex receivers and throttles. The seond LocoNet has a BDL168, a BXP88, and RR-Cirkits devices running the signals, Tortoises and panel buttons and LED's. There are 2 DCC Specilities circuit breakers on the DCS240 circuit, but the DR5013 are wired direct to the command station. The wiring is not new -- the DR5013 are replacing 2 DCC specialities reversers so I can get addtional information from the track (RailCom feedback). My JMRI has two LocoBuffer USB's to connect to the layout (JMRI is what controls the signals). I have never connected more than one DigiKeijs device to the computer at the same time, and the DR5013 Commisioning manual indicates that that is permissible. The LocoBuffer's are Opto-Isolated, so they should not cause problems.
I'm completely at a loss here - does anyone have any suggestions? Do I have a configuration issue (I don't see how as I have reset them back to default, and they both behave the same way). Or do I have two that have failed the same way?
Scott Walton
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Re: DR5000 LocoNet throttle support
Ryan,
Thanks! That's... bizarre although they are simplex.
Alex
Alex,
The only known Digitrax throttles that aren't working yet are the (R) throttles when used wirelessly with a UR91.
Those may be supported in a future update as the manufacture has some to work with.
Ryan
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Re: DR5000 LocoNet throttle support
Any loconet I have even used old ferd¡¯s
James Hudson DCC Train Automation
I see on IronPlanetHobbies' website that the DR5000 supports "current" LocoNet throttles. What throttles are considered current, and what is the limitation to supporting older throttles?
Alex
-- Many Thanks James Hudson DCC Train Automation
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Re: DR5000 LocoNet throttle support
Alex,
The only known Digitrax throttles that aren't working yet are the (R) throttles when used wirelessly with a UR91.
Those may be supported in a future update as the manufacture has some to work with.
Ryan
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DR5000 LocoNet throttle support
I see on IronPlanetHobbies' website that the DR5000 supports "current" LocoNet throttles. What throttles are considered current, and what is the limitation to supporting older throttles?
Alex
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Re: DR5088RC global detector output
Thanks Iain, Ryan. All clear now.
Ian
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Re: DR5088RC global detector output
Ian, ? You can by pass the DR5088RC and go straight to the DR5000. ? Only one rail needs to be insulated between blocks and then double gapped when next to non DR5088RC blocks. ? Hope that helps.? ? ? Ryan ? ? ? ?
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From: IanSent: Friday, May 15, 2020 12:26 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [Digikeijs EN] DR5088RC global detector output ? I'm looking to use a DR5088RC to report occupancy on some track blocks of a new layout. I understand each such block needs to be wired to an individual Railcom detector output on the DR5088RC.? However, for the blocks where I don't need to monitor occupancy, do all of these have to be wired back to the DR5088RC global Railcom detector output? Or, to simplify my wiring, can I bypass the DR5088RC completely and just connect these blocks directly to the DCC bus (which is connected to the DR5000 track output)?? PS. In case it's relevant, every layout block will use insulated rail joiners on both tracks to isolate it from adjacent blocks.?
Ian
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DR5088RC global detector output
I'm looking to use a DR5088RC to report occupancy on some track blocks of a new layout. I understand each such block needs to be wired to an individual Railcom detector output on the DR5088RC.?
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However, for the blocks where I don't need to monitor occupancy, do all of these have to be wired back to the DR5088RC global Railcom detector output? Or, to simplify my wiring, can I bypass the DR5088RC completely and just connect these blocks directly to the DCC bus (which is connected to the DR5000 track output)??
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PS. In case it's relevant, every layout block will use insulated rail joiners on both tracks to isolate it from adjacent blocks.?
Ian
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Re: 4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question
I've taken part in a modular meeting where the layout was over 50' x 50'. We had a DR5000 running with several multimouse and Z21 phone throttles along with two JMRI withrottles one on a laptop the other with a Pi, all worked together.
Mike Ruby
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Re: Locobuffer-N + DR4018
I shall have a look at the Merg products? see how I go?
So much available out there on today's market now.
Andrew thanks.
Andrew?
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Re: Locobuffer-N + DR4018
Thanks Collin?
Seen the rocrail reply .
Just have to wait till August before I can afford the DR5000.
Are you on nScale forum at all?
Andrew?
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Re: 4018, Z21 app, and atlas turnout question
Thanks for the explanation. A user on my future layout would be no more than 12 feet away from a centrally located DR5000. It would have a maximum run of 110 feet in a 12 ft by 24 ft area. Not a large layout by any means and would most likely have only 1 or 2 operators using a cell phone or a tablet. I have looked into the Roco Wlan Maus and decided against their use. I want to control turnouts with the 4018's but do not want to memorize turnout numbers or create multiple track drawings with turnout numbers and at various locations on the layout. I should have acceptable wifi performance in this environment.
On Monday, May 11, 2020, 02:12:05 AM MDT, Iain Morrison <w.iain.morrison@...> wrote:
My view is based upon the low power of the DR5000 Wi-Fi (showed as -60Db when scanned) at a large layout which was having connectivity and stability issues with multiple users (6) using Wi-Fi Multimaus. Changing to an external TP-Link router connected via cable to the DR5000 using Z21 protocol on LAN gave a -40Db signal and no connectivity or stability issues anywhere in the train room. The Z21 app is a lot more chatty on the network than the Multimaus therefore stable connections are even more important, especially when multiple devices are in use.
Iain Morrison 07767456746
On 10/05/2020 23:25, Rick Norell via groups.io wrote:
Why not?? Details please!
Not saying you cant, just saying that I wouldn't - I would use a Wi-Fi router and connect the DR5000 via a LAN cable to the Wi-Fi router.
Iain Morrison 07767456746
On 10/05/2020 23:16, Rick Norell via groups.io wrote:
auto-correction is a pain :( - correct message I personally WOULDN'T use the DR5000 Wi-Fi for more than one device, it isn't a router. Iain Morrison
You seem to be saying that one cannot connect two throttles to DR5000 Wifi.? I don't believe that is true, or at least, hope it is not true!? That would be deal breaker for me.
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Thanks James, will do.
Regards,
John
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Subject: Re: [Digikeijs EN] DR5033 track voltage
It sounds like the H bridge has broken. You should speak to Digikeijs and make a ticket and send back to them for repair. This there policy for returns. They will fix and send direct back to you.
James Hi Dennis,
yes, checked with 5033 disconnected completely.
I think the 5033 is faulty as it now outputs zero volts to the rack.
Regards,
John
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Sent: 10/05/2020 13:45:52
Subject: Re: [Digikeijs EN] DR5033 track voltage
Have you disconnected the DR5033 output and checked if the Booster now operates correctly?
I remember a post somewhere that a person had a problem with a certain Power district module and it was in the settings between the two units.
I will check to see where this was posted and see if this is your issue also.
Dennis
Many Thanks James Hudson DCC Train Automation
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It sounds like the H bridge has broken. You should speak to Digikeijs and make a ticket and send back to them for repair. This there policy for returns. They will fix and send direct back to you.
James
Hi Dennis,
yes, checked with 5033 disconnected completely.
I think the 5033 is faulty as it now outputs zero volts to the rack.
Regards,
John
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Sent: 10/05/2020 13:45:52
Subject: Re: [Digikeijs EN] DR5033 track voltage
Have you disconnected the DR5033 output and checked if the Booster now operates correctly?
I remember a post somewhere that a person had a problem with a certain Power district module and it was in the settings between the two units.
I will check to see where this was posted and see if this is your issue also.
Dennis
-- Many Thanks James Hudson DCC Train Automation
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Hi Dennis,
yes, checked with 5033 disconnected completely.
I think the 5033 is faulty as it now outputs zero volts to the rack.
Regards,
John
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Sent: 10/05/2020 13:45:52
Subject: Re: [Digikeijs EN] DR5033 track voltage
Have you disconnected the DR5033 output and checked if the Booster now operates correctly?
I remember a post somewhere that a person had a problem with a certain Power district module and it was in the settings between the two units.
I will check to see where this was posted and see if this is your issue also.
Dennis
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Re: Locobuffer-N + DR4018
On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 04:56 AM, abp wrote:
With locobuffer-N that i have .can you use this with the DR4018 .
Trying to find a accessory decoder? to operate? three aspect signals?
Or do still have to get the DR5000 to operate the system?
Andrew?
Andrew. The DR4018 is driven from the DCC bus just connect it to the DCC output of your Command Staion (DR5000). Colin.
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Re: Locobuffer-N + DR4018
Have you looked at MERG, you¡¯d need to join their membership but their electronics kits may be cheaper for you to import In to Australia, all depends on your soldering skills and as you make CR signals up these will be a breeze.
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On 11 May 2020, at 08:00, abp <andrew_pink58@...> wrote:
?The person I new was from bromley Kent?
Your right about Train Tech sc1.
Looked at SC1 that you have. The price and the exchange rate
Made it expensive and import tax . I am in Australia?
I did Airforce.?
Andrew??
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