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Re: Jabiru 2200 reliability
开云体育Easy to find. ? ?Oil filter at NAPA or CDN tire. ? Air Filter is K and N. (CDN Tire). ? ?Aero shell oil 15w50 at Aircraft Spruce (Brantford).?Geoff Gartshore Zenith CH200 GCUD Waterloo, Ontario? On Oct 14, 2021, at 11:02 PM, Justin Gregoris <jgregoris789@...> wrote:
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Re: Jabiru 2200 reliability
开云体育Spark plug is NGK available at CDN Tire. ? Think 18 mm.?Recommend annual compression check. ? NAPA Gold oil filter. ?? Engine oil for Canada weather - 15W50. ? Caution: ? ?Not aware of any dealer or maintenance network in Canada for Jabiru ? Only dealer left was in Tennessee- no idea if still active. So if you’re not mechanically astute it may be a challenge as no one to farm out the tougher stuff to. If you need parts you’ll have to likely get via Australia ? ?This is why I sold my XAir - Ontario dealer left and Montreal area dealer had retired. ? ? No easy way to get major service done. ? This should be an important consideration in your thinking. ? Geoff Gartshore Zenith CH200 GCUD Waterloo, Ontario? On Oct 14, 2021, at 10:09 PM, Justin Gregoris <jgregoris789@...> wrote:
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Re: Jabiru 2200 reliability
开云体育My motor was 2007. ? Don’t recall serial number. ? It had hydraulic lifters . ? ?If you Google Jabiru engines you should be able to get more info.? Maintain and operate following Jabiru engine requirements and it should serve you well. ? Geoff Gartshore Zenith CH200 GCUD Waterloo, Ontario? On Oct 14, 2021, at 8:09 PM, Justin Gregoris <jgregoris789@...> wrote:
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Re: Testing fuel for Ethanol
开云体育The fact that people were advertising their Jabiru aircraft on the Jabiru Factory website showing a disparity in hours normally demonstrating the engine lasted around 400 hours and the airframe was 600 or whatever has now been removed by Jabiru because it was such bad publicity. This information is from an Australian classifieds siteExample 1?? 580 hours and already top end rebuild. Example 2 Example 3 578 hours on the airframe and 263 on the engine Bernhard Svavarsson wrote on 15/10/2021
8:47 am:
Hi Justin I would not take the comments from Clive regarding the Jabiru engine seriosly. I have a good experince with my jabiru 2200 and I know that 4 of my friends which have those engine also are happy with this engine. Rotax are fine engine but there are lots of additional combonents to look after and maintain. If you plan to replace to rotax then stay with the 80hp. The 212 and 14 are more problematic than 80 hp. ----- Upprunalegt skeyti ----- Frá: Michael Coates <mcoates@...> Til: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 20:53:14 -0000 (GMT) Efni: Re: [XAIR] Testing fuel for Ethanol Justin Gregoris wrote on 14/10/2021 9:44 pm:Many thanks for the reply. Some more questions about the Hanuman: - how long will it take with two adults and full fuel with puddle jumper amphibious floats to get off the water? not sure because I have not flown with the floats - same situation, but how long will it take to off on grass? the Rotax engine about 80 m, the Jabiru engine almost 200 m - same situation, how long to land on water? - same situation, how long to land of grass? mostly depends on the skill of the pilot - what is the worst part about the Jabiru 2200 engines? the reliability, the oil leaks, the fact that most don't go past 400 hours before failure and they simply don't perform all that well on the aircraft compared to the Rotax - any fixes for the above issue(s)? replace it with the Rotax - any modifications to get better results with the Jabiru 2200? yes, sell it and replace it with the Rotax. Honestly, they are just not a good fit and they just don't go long enough to be classified as anywhere near reliable. Please look at the aviation advertisements for Jabiru aircraft and you will see dozens of advertisements or with a similar story, Jabiru 600 hours engine 200 hours and so on. They quite proudly advertise they have done a new top end and everything else when they are selling the aircraft but if you buy a Rotax 99 times out of 100 you don't have the same problems Thanks again, Justin ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Clive Cunningham <kmmotor@...> *Sent:* Monday, October 11, 2021 3:25:45 AM *To:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *Subject:* Re: [XAIR] Testing fuel for Ethanol I enquired with the manufacturer of "STABIL" fuel stabiliser for long term storage, about aviation use. The answer was " No, for legal reasons". Make of that what you will! ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Clive Cunningham K&M HD Motorcycles 10 Deacon Ave Richmond SA 5033 Ph. +618 8234 1090 kmmotor@... kmmotorcycles.com.au ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Michael Coates <mcoates@...> *Sent:* Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:40 AM *To:* [email protected] <[email protected]> *Subject:* Re: [XAIR] Testing fuel for Ethanol You can also test with this tester Mo Davies via groups.io wrote on 10/10/2021 1:02 am:Put a measured amount of water into a suitable glass vessel. A graduated test tube is ideal for this. Mark the top of the water on the glass vessel. Put in an equal amount of Avgas. Stopper and shake well. A thumb would work on a test tube, although I do not advocate using the thumb in direct contact with petrol. Check the water level again. Ethanol, being hygroscopic, will mix with the water, the level difference being commensurate with the percentage of ethanol in the fuel. ?Presumably it is possible in this way to remove the ethanol, but there are risks involved with ?processing“ fuel in this way. Mo.On 8 Oct 2021, at 11:16, jgregoris789@... <mailto:jgregoris789@...> wrote: ?I am not aware of this test - how does it work and what do I need to buy to complete this? I am not particularly concerned with ethanol content, but rather detonation differences between using MoGas shell 91 or 93 versus paying 40% for AvGas that is nowhere near me. I would have to drive 40km in a different direction, only to fill 5, 20litre Cana if AvGas, then drive back to the grass field and put it in the Hanuman. From a liability point of view, it is not surprising how Jabiru does not cover or advise MoGas to be used - not even any additives, which is another topic is like to introduce. Why can't I purchase good quality shell 91 or 93 MoGas, and then add good quality octane booster with an additional dose of seafoam, to preserve the fuel as it may sit for a couple weeks? I have used many small and big motors, two stroke and four stroke gasoline and Diesel engines, but never airplane motors. Is there really a difference - am I missing something or is it the liability disclaimers that have me all caught up in a knot? In essence, I don't see how any problems would arise, knowing these Jabiru 2200 motors are about 8.1:1 compression ratio, using 91 or 93 shell MoGas, with seafoam additive to preserve and offer some better lubricity? Justin-- With regards, Michael Coates AU +61 7 5522 0583 USA +1 213 984 1237 PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012 Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012 PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2017 mailto:mcoates@... <mailto:mcoates@...> skype name: xcomavionics Please note: because of the volume of e-mail we are now receiving our replies are done using voice recognition software in an effort to speed up the reply process. Sometimes the voice recognition program inserts silly words or doesn't actually do what it is meant to do. Occasionally these mistakes get through our quick proofreading of each e-mail sent, so please accept my apologies if the odd mistake gets through. Legal Notice: The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only to be read by the person(s) to whom it is addressed. No one is authorized to copy, use, disclose, distribute or rely on this information for any purpose whatsoever. If this communication has been sent to you in error, please email the sender and delete the message. "Amateurs practice till they get it right; Professionals practice till they can’t get it wrong." -- With regards, Michael Coates AU +61 7 5522 0583 USA +1 213 984 1237 PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012 Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012 PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2017 mailto:mcoates@... skype name: xcomavionics Please note: because of the volume of e-mail we are now receiving our replies are done using voice recognition software in an effort to speed up the reply process. Sometimes the voice recognition program inserts silly words or doesn't actually do what it is meant to do. Occasionally these mistakes get through our quick proofreading of each e-mail sent, so please accept my apologies if the odd mistake gets through. Legal Notice: The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only to be read by the person(s) to whom it is addressed. No one is authorized to copy, use, disclose, distribute or rely on this information for any purpose whatsoever. If this communication has been sent to you in error, please email the sender and delete the message. "Amateurs practice till they get it right; Professionals practice till they can’t get it wrong." |
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Re: Testing fuel for Ethanol
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Chaps, the comments about the Jabiru were not from me!?
I own a 2200, I am an Aussie, and I stand by them.
Clive Cunningham K&M HD Motorcycles 10 Deacon Ave Richmond
SA 5033 Ph. +618 8234 1090 kmmotor@... kmmotorcycles.com.au
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Bernhard Svavarsson <bern@...>
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2021 9:17 AM To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [XAIR] Testing fuel for Ethanol ?
Hi Justin
I would not take the comments from Clive regarding the Jabiru engine seriosly. I have a good experince with my jabiru 2200 and I know that 4 of my friends which have those engine also are happy with this engine. Rotax are fine engine but there are lots of additional combonents to look after and maintain. If you plan to replace to rotax then stay with the 80hp. The 212 and 14 are more problematic than 80 hp. ----- Upprunalegt skeyti ----- Frá: Michael Coates <mcoates@...> Til: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 20:53:14 -0000 (GMT) Efni: Re: [XAIR] Testing fuel for Ethanol Justin Gregoris wrote on 14/10/2021 9:44 pm: > Many thanks for the reply. > > Some more questions about the Hanuman: > > - how long will it take with two adults and full fuel with puddle > jumper amphibious floats to get off the water? not sure because I have > not flown with the floats > > - same situation, but how long will it take to off on grass? the Rotax > engine about 80 m, the Jabiru engine almost 200 m > > - same situation, how long to land on water? > > - same situation, how long to land of grass? mostly depends on the > skill of the pilot > > - what is the worst part about the Jabiru 2200 engines? the > reliability, the oil leaks, the fact that most don't go past 400 hours > before failure and they simply don't perform all that well on the > aircraft compared to the Rotax > > - any fixes for the above issue(s)? replace it with the Rotax > > - any modifications to get better results with the Jabiru 2200? yes, > sell it and replace it with the Rotax. Honestly, they are just not a > good fit and they just don't go long enough to be classified as > anywhere near reliable. Please look at the aviation advertisements for > Jabiru aircraft and you will see dozens of advertisements or with a > similar story, Jabiru 600 hours engine 200 hours and so on. They quite > proudly advertise they have done a new top end and everything else > when they are selling the aircraft but if you buy a Rotax 99 times out > of 100 you don't have the same problems > > Thanks again, Justin > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Clive Cunningham > <kmmotor@...> > *Sent:* Monday, October 11, 2021 3:25:45 AM > *To:* [email protected] <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [XAIR] Testing fuel for Ethanol > I enquired with the manufacturer of "STABIL" fuel stabiliser for long > term storage, about aviation use. > The answer was " No, for legal reasons". Make of that what you will! > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Clive Cunningham > > K&M HD Motorcycles > > 10 Deacon Ave > > Richmond > > SA 5033 > > Ph. +618 8234 1090 > > kmmotor@... > > kmmotorcycles.com.au > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Michael Coates > <mcoates@...> > *Sent:* Sunday, October 10, 2021 9:40 AM > *To:* [email protected] <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [XAIR] Testing fuel for Ethanol > You can also test with this tester > > > <> > > Mo Davies via groups.io wrote on 10/10/2021 1:02 am: >> Put a measured amount of water into a suitable glass vessel. A >> graduated test tube is ideal for this. Mark the top of the water on >> the glass vessel. Put in an equal amount of Avgas. Stopper and shake >> well. A thumb would work on a test tube, although I do not advocate >> using the thumb in direct contact with petrol. >> Check the water level again. Ethanol, being hygroscopic, will mix >> with the water, the level difference being commensurate with the >> percentage of ethanol in the fuel. ?Presumably it is possible in this >> way to remove the ethanol, but there are risks involved with >> ?processing“ fuel in this way. >> Mo. >> >>> On 8 Oct 2021, at 11:16, jgregoris789@... >>> <mailto:jgregoris789@...> wrote: >>> >>> ?I am not aware of this test - how does it work and what do I need >>> to buy to complete this? >>> >>> I am not particularly concerned with ethanol content, but rather >>> detonation differences between using MoGas shell 91 or 93 versus >>> paying 40% for AvGas that is nowhere near me. I would have to drive >>> 40km in a different direction, only to fill 5, 20litre Cana if >>> AvGas, then drive back to the grass field and put it in the Hanuman. >>> From a liability point of view, it is not surprising how Jabiru does >>> not cover or advise MoGas to be used - not even any additives, which >>> is another topic is like to introduce. Why can't I purchase good >>> quality shell 91 or 93 MoGas, and then add good quality octane >>> booster with an additional dose of seafoam, to preserve the fuel as >>> it may sit for a couple weeks? >>> >>> I have used many small and big motors, two stroke and four stroke >>> gasoline and Diesel engines, but never airplane motors. >>> >>> Is there really a difference - am I missing something or is it the >>> liability disclaimers that have me all caught up in a knot? >>> >>> In essence, I don't see how any problems would arise, knowing these >>> Jabiru 2200 motors are about 8.1:1 compression ratio, using 91 or 93 >>> shell MoGas, with seafoam additive to preserve and offer some better >>> lubricity? >>> >>> Justin > > -- > With regards,??? Michael Coates > > AU +61 7 5522 0583 > USA +1 213 984 1237 > > > PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012 > Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012 > PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2017 > > mailto:mcoates@...? <mailto:mcoates@...> > > skype name:?? xcomavionics > > Please note: because of the volume of e-mail we are now receiving our replies are > done using voice recognition software in an effort to speed up the reply process. > Sometimes the voice recognition program inserts silly words or doesn't actually > do what it is meant to do.? Occasionally these mistakes get through our quick > proofreading of each e-mail sent, so please accept my apologies if the odd mistake > gets through. > > Legal Notice: The information contained in this email is confidential > and intended only to be read by the person(s) to whom it is addressed. > No one is authorized to copy, use, disclose, distribute or rely on this > information for any purpose whatsoever. If this communication has been > sent to you in error, please email the sender and delete the message. > > "Amateurs practice till they get it right; > Professionals practice till they can’t get it wrong." > -- With regards,??? Michael Coates AU +61 7 5522 0583 USA +1 213 984 1237 PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012 Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012 PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2017 mailto:mcoates@... skype name:?? xcomavionics Please note: because of the volume of e-mail we are now receiving our replies are done using voice recognition software in an effort to speed up the reply process. Sometimes the voice recognition program inserts silly words or doesn't actually do what it is meant to do.? Occasionally these mistakes get through our quick proofreading of each e-mail sent, so please accept my apologies if the odd mistake gets through. Legal Notice: The information contained in this email is confidential and intended only to be read by the person(s) to whom it is addressed. No one is authorized to copy, use, disclose, distribute or rely on this information for any purpose whatsoever. If this communication has been sent to you in error, please email the sender and delete the message. "Amateurs practice till they get it right; Professionals practice till they can’t get it wrong." |
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Re: Jabiru 2200 reliability
开云体育I agree with Bernhard. ? My Jabiru 2200 worked just fine for the 8 years I had it. ? I put at least 500 hours on it and it had lots of life when I sold my XAir. ?With proper operation and maintenance it should go the distance. ? ?The Jabiru is very simple and straightforward, with only a single carb to deal with. ? ?It runs at lower rpm’s, and is very smooth. ?The only issue with it is the lack of a strong dealer network in North America. ? ?In 2017 when I sold the plane the only overhaul option was to ship it to Tennessee. ? This was one of the reasons I decided to sell and go with Lycoming. ? ?The Rotax is a good engine but more complicated, with dual carbs that must be tuned, etc. ? it also runs at much higher rpm’s, which provides the good torque. ? The dealer network is more numerous in N America. ?Check the serial number in the Jabiru in question - you want the version with hydraulic lifters. ? ? Geoff Gartshore Zenith CH200 GCUD Waterloo, Ontario? On Oct 14, 2021, at 6:54 PM, Justin Gregoris <jgregoris789@...> wrote:
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