Re: New X-air H Hanuman owner
Hi Justin,? what do you get for a cruise and consumption?
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From: Justin Gregoris <jgregoris789@...>
Date: 2022-02-21 7:45 a.m. (GMT-04:00)
Subject: Re: [XAIR] New X-air H Hanuman owner
My Sensenich ground adjustable prop on my X Air Hanuman jabiru 2200 works beautifully.
Easy to adjust and accurate in RPM change.
As a Hawk owner of over 10 years the only power plant / prob that in my opinion after hours of research is the Rotax 912 driving a 3 blade Kiev prop.
On 21 Feb 2022, at 07:41, Richard Stubbs <richardstubbs@...> wrote:
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Hi there
?
In terms of other propeller supplier’s a lot of folk here in SA have opted for the wooden
with leading edge protection for their Jabiru aircraft. I personally support the Ukranian company called http://www.nrprop.com who make superb composite propellers with stainless steel
leading edge protection at a very competitive price.
?
Take care
Richard.
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So far, I have found only a few options for the Jabiru 2200 powered x-air for a propeller. Prices are USD and as of Feb 2022.
Sensenich makes a ground adjustable model and a wooden prop. Adjustable is about $2000, wooden about $1200 with a 6 week wait.
Ivoprop says their 2 blade medium option will work, $1000, and is available now. I think a 62" might be best in this option since as I understand it, the blades have less resistance than wood so you can swing a slightly larger prop.
Culver props will make one for me with a 4 month waitlist for $650
Performance Propellers USA will make a wooden one with an 8-month wait, $850
Bolly does not make a prop for the 2200, but hoverhawk will make a wooden one in 3 weeks for $1200.
Aero performance in NZ will make a wooden one for about $1600. Not sure about the lead time. (super nice fellow)
DUC prop makes an adjustable model available for around $2200.
Jabiru makes a wood prop and composite options, however, those are actually made of unobtainium as far as I can tell.
Warp drive refuses to make a propeller for Jab 2200s after some rather nasty failures.
Whirlwind also no longer makes jabiru props.
I'm leaning towards the IvoProp or Sensenich wood in 60x38 at the moment. I like the idea of the ivo being adjustable, (and how easy it is to adjust) but I'm not sure about it given the issues Warp had. I haven't seen anyone else running that combination
but I'm guessing it's out there.
Does anyone know of any other options I missed, or have any suggestions?
Thanks,
Tom
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Re: New X-air H Hanuman owner
Hello Brian, I agree with you that the engine of choice is most
certainly the Rotax 912 80 hp. It runs rings around the Jabiru in
terms of takeoff distance, climb performance and fuel economy.
The people that love the Jabiru engine in the Hanuman airframe just
haven't flown the aircraft with a 912 fitted, the difference is
unbelievable and almost makes it a completely different aircraft.
Brian Ellis via groups.io wrote on
21/02/2022 7:40 pm:
As a Hawk owner of over 10 years the only power plant / prob that
in my opinion after hours of research is the Rotax 912 driving a 3
blade Kiev prop.
?
Hi
there
?
In
terms of other propeller supplier’s a lot of folk here
in SA have opted for the wooden
with leading edge protection for their Jabiru aircraft.
I personally support the Ukranian company called
who make superb composite
propellers with stainless steel leading edge protection
at a very competitive price.
?
Take
care
Richard.
?
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Sent: Monday, 21 February 2022 09:29
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XAIR] New X-air H Hanuman owner
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So far, I have found only a few options for the Jabiru
2200 powered x-air for a propeller. Prices are USD and as
of Feb 2022.
Sensenich makes a ground adjustable model and a wooden
prop. Adjustable is about $2000, wooden about $1200 with a
6 week wait.
Ivoprop says their 2 blade medium option will work,
$1000, and is available now. I think a 62" might be best
in this option since as I understand it, the blades have
less resistance than wood so you can swing a slightly
larger prop.
Culver props will make one for me with a 4 month waitlist
for $650
Performance Propellers USA will make a wooden one with an
8-month wait, $850
Bolly does not make a prop for the 2200, but hoverhawk
will make a wooden one in 3 weeks for $1200.
Aero performance in NZ will make a wooden one for about
$1600. Not sure about the lead time. (super nice fellow)
DUC prop makes an adjustable model available for around
$2200.
Jabiru makes a wood prop and composite options, however,
those are actually made of unobtainium as far as I can
tell.
Warp drive refuses to make a propeller for Jab 2200s
after some rather nasty failures.
Whirlwind also no longer makes jabiru props.
I'm leaning towards the IvoProp or Sensenich wood in
60x38 at the moment. I like the idea of the ivo being
adjustable, (and how easy it is to adjust) but I'm not
sure about it given the issues Warp had. I haven't seen
anyone else running that combination but I'm guessing it's
out there.
Does anyone know of any other options I missed, or have
any suggestions?
Thanks,
Tom
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Re: New X-air H Hanuman owner
Should read 912 and Kiev prop
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On 21 Feb 2022, at 11:55, Bernhard Svavarsson <bern@...> wrote:
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I have been using the Sensenic ground adjusable prop for 10 years for my jabiru engine. To be able to adjust the the pitch is a high +.
There ís no need to change engine to Rotax 912 due to difficult and high maintance cost and the 3 blade props is a mess in adjusting as I hvae seen. Stay with the engine you have and get sensenic compsite ground adjustable prop -
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So far, I have found only a few options for the Jabiru 2200 powered x-air for a propeller. Prices are USD and as of Feb 2022.
Sensenich makes a ground adjustable model and a wooden prop. Adjustable is about $2000, wooden about $1200 with a 6 week wait.
Ivoprop says their 2 blade medium option will work, $1000, and is available now. I think a 62" might be best in this option since as I understand it, the blades have less resistance than wood so you can swing a slightly larger prop.
Culver props will make one for me with a 4 month waitlist for $650
Performance Propellers USA will make a wooden one with an 8-month wait, $850
Bolly does not make a prop for the 2200, but hoverhawk will make a wooden one in 3 weeks for $1200.
Aero performance in NZ will make a wooden one for about $1600. Not sure about the lead time. (super nice fellow)
DUC prop makes an adjustable model available for around $2200.
Jabiru makes a wood prop and composite options, however, those are actually made of unobtainium as far as I can tell.
Warp drive refuses to make a propeller for Jab 2200s after some rather nasty failures.
Whirlwind also no longer makes jabiru props.
I'm leaning towards the IvoProp or Sensenich wood in 60x38 at the moment. I like the idea of the ivo being adjustable, (and how easy it is to adjust) but I'm not sure about it given the issues Warp had. I haven't seen anyone else running that combination but I'm guessing it's out there.
Does anyone know of any other options I missed, or have any suggestions?
Thanks,
Tom
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Re: New X-air H Hanuman owner
This is what I am using on my hanuman/ jabiru2200
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Date: 2022-02-21 3:28 a.m. (GMT-04:00)
Subject: Re: [XAIR] New X-air H Hanuman owner
So far, I have found only a few options for the Jabiru 2200 powered x-air for a propeller. Prices are USD and as of Feb 2022.
Sensenich makes a ground adjustable model and a wooden prop. Adjustable is about $2000, wooden about $1200 with a 6 week wait.
Ivoprop says their 2 blade medium option will work, $1000, and is available now. I think a 62" might be best in this option since as I understand it, the blades have less resistance than wood so you can swing a slightly larger prop.
Culver props will make one for me with a 4 month waitlist for $650
Performance Propellers USA will make a wooden one with an 8-month wait, $850
Bolly does not make a prop for the 2200, but hoverhawk will make a wooden one in 3 weeks for $1200.
Aero performance in NZ will make a wooden one for about $1600. Not sure about the lead time. (super nice fellow)
DUC prop makes an adjustable model available for around $2200.
Jabiru makes a wood prop and composite options, however, those are actually made of unobtainium as far as I can tell.
Warp drive refuses to make a propeller for Jab 2200s after some rather nasty failures.
Whirlwind also no longer makes jabiru props.
I'm leaning towards the IvoProp or Sensenich wood in 60x38 at the moment. I like the idea of the ivo being adjustable, (and how easy it is to adjust) but I'm not sure about it given the issues Warp had. I haven't seen anyone else running that combination
but I'm guessing it's out there.
Does anyone know of any other options I missed, or have any suggestions?
Thanks,
Tom
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Re: New X-air H Hanuman owner
Hi I have been using the Sensenic ground adjusable prop for 10 years for my jabiru engine. To be able to adjust the the pitch is a high +. There ís no need to change engine to Rotax 912 due to difficult and high maintance cost and the 3 blade props is a mess in adjusting as I hvae seen. Stay with the engine you have and get sensenic compsite ground adjustable prop - ----- Upprunalegt skeyti ----- Frá: kymidnight@... Til: [email protected]Sent: Mon, 21 Feb 2022 07:28:41 -0000 (GMT) Efni: Re: [XAIR] New X-air H Hanuman owner So far, I have found only a few options for the Jabiru 2200 powered x-air for a propeller. Prices are USD and as of Feb 2022. Sensenich makes a ground adjustable model and a wooden prop. Adjustable is about $2000, wooden about $1200 with a 6 week wait. Ivoprop says their 2 blade medium option will work, $1000, and is available now. I think a 62" might be best in this option since as I understand it, the blades have less resistance than wood so you can swing a slightly larger prop. Culver props will make one for me with a 4 month waitlist for $650 Performance Propellers USA will make a wooden one with an 8-month wait, $850 Bolly does not make a prop for the 2200, but hoverhawk will make a wooden one in 3 weeks for $1200. Aero performance in NZ will make a wooden one for about $1600. Not sure about the lead time. (super nice fellow) DUC prop makes an adjustable model available for around $2200. Jabiru makes a wood prop and composite options, however, those are actually made of unobtainium as far as I can tell. Warp drive refuses to make a propeller for Jab 2200s after some rather nasty failures. Whirlwind also no longer makes jabiru props. I'm leaning towards the IvoProp or Sensenich wood in 60x38 at the moment. I like the idea of the ivo being adjustable, (and how easy it is to adjust) but I'm not sure about it given the issues Warp had. I haven't seen anyone else running that combination but I'm guessing it's out there. Does anyone know of any other options I missed, or have any suggestions? Thanks, Tom
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Re: New X-air H Hanuman owner
My Sensenich ground adjustable prop on my X Air Hanuman jabiru 2200 works beautifully.
Easy to adjust and accurate in RPM change.
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As a Hawk owner of over 10 years the only power plant / prob that in my opinion after hours of research is the Rotax 912 driving a 3 blade Kiev prop.
On 21 Feb 2022, at 07:41, Richard Stubbs <richardstubbs@...> wrote:
?
Hi there
?
In terms of other propeller supplier’s a lot of folk here in SA have opted for the wooden
with leading edge protection for their Jabiru aircraft. I personally support the Ukranian company called http://www.nrprop.com who make superb composite propellers with stainless steel
leading edge protection at a very competitive price.
?
Take care
Richard.
?
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On Behalf Of kymidnight@...
Sent: Monday, 21 February 2022 09:29
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XAIR] New X-air H Hanuman owner
?
So far, I have found only a few options for the Jabiru 2200 powered x-air for a propeller. Prices are USD and as of Feb 2022.
Sensenich makes a ground adjustable model and a wooden prop. Adjustable is about $2000, wooden about $1200 with a 6 week wait.
Ivoprop says their 2 blade medium option will work, $1000, and is available now. I think a 62" might be best in this option since as I understand it, the blades have less resistance than wood so you can swing a slightly larger prop.
Culver props will make one for me with a 4 month waitlist for $650
Performance Propellers USA will make a wooden one with an 8-month wait, $850
Bolly does not make a prop for the 2200, but hoverhawk will make a wooden one in 3 weeks for $1200.
Aero performance in NZ will make a wooden one for about $1600. Not sure about the lead time. (super nice fellow)
DUC prop makes an adjustable model available for around $2200.
Jabiru makes a wood prop and composite options, however, those are actually made of unobtainium as far as I can tell.
Warp drive refuses to make a propeller for Jab 2200s after some rather nasty failures.
Whirlwind also no longer makes jabiru props.
I'm leaning towards the IvoProp or Sensenich wood in 60x38 at the moment. I like the idea of the ivo being adjustable, (and how easy it is to adjust) but I'm not sure about it given the issues Warp had. I haven't seen anyone else running that combination
but I'm guessing it's out there.
Does anyone know of any other options I missed, or have any suggestions?
Thanks,
Tom
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As a Hawk owner of over 10 years the only power plant / prob that in my opinion after hours of research is the Rotax 912 driving a 3 blade Kiev prop.
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On 21 Feb 2022, at 07:41, Richard Stubbs <richardstubbs@...> wrote:
? Hi there ? In terms of other propeller supplier’s a lot of folk here in SA have opted for the wooden with leading edge protection for their Jabiru aircraft. I personally support the Ukranian company called http://www.nrprop.com who make superb composite propellers with stainless steel leading edge protection at a very competitive price. ? Take care Richard. ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of kymidnight@...
Sent: Monday, 21 February 2022 09:29
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XAIR] New X-air H Hanuman owner ? So far, I have found only a few options for the Jabiru 2200 powered x-air for a propeller. Prices are USD and as of Feb 2022. Sensenich makes a ground adjustable model and a wooden prop. Adjustable is about $2000, wooden about $1200 with a 6 week wait. Ivoprop says their 2 blade medium option will work, $1000, and is available now. I think a 62" might be best in this option since as I understand it, the blades have less resistance than wood so you can swing a slightly larger prop. Culver props will make one for me with a 4 month waitlist for $650 Performance Propellers USA will make a wooden one with an 8-month wait, $850 Bolly does not make a prop for the 2200, but hoverhawk will make a wooden one in 3 weeks for $1200. Aero performance in NZ will make a wooden one for about $1600. Not sure about the lead time. (super nice fellow) DUC prop makes an adjustable model available for around $2200. Jabiru makes a wood prop and composite options, however, those are actually made of unobtainium as far as I can tell. Warp drive refuses to make a propeller for Jab 2200s after some rather nasty failures. Whirlwind also no longer makes jabiru props. I'm leaning towards the IvoProp or Sensenich wood in 60x38 at the moment. I like the idea of the ivo being adjustable, (and how easy it is to adjust) but I'm not sure about it given the issues Warp had. I haven't seen anyone else running that combination but I'm guessing it's out there. Does anyone know of any other options I missed, or have any suggestions? Thanks, Tom
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Re: New X-air H Hanuman owner
Unfortunately with the current political situation be almost
impossible to get anything out of Ukraine
Richard Stubbs wrote on 21/02/2022 5:41
pm:
Hi
there
?
In
terms of other propeller supplier’s a lot of folk here in SA
have opted for the wooden
with leading edge protection for their Jabiru aircraft. I
personally support the Ukranian company called
who make superb composite propellers
with stainless steel leading edge protection at a very
competitive price.
?
Take
care
Richard.
?
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On
Behalf Of kymidnight@...
Sent: Monday, 21 February 2022 09:29
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XAIR] New X-air H Hanuman owner
?
So far, I have found only a few options for the Jabiru 2200
powered x-air for a propeller. Prices are USD and as of Feb
2022.
Sensenich makes a ground adjustable model and a wooden prop.
Adjustable is about $2000, wooden about $1200 with a 6 week
wait.
Ivoprop says their 2 blade medium option will work, $1000,
and is available now. I think a 62" might be best in this
option since as I understand it, the blades have less
resistance than wood so you can swing a slightly larger prop.
Culver props will make one for me with a 4 month waitlist for
$650
Performance Propellers USA will make a wooden one with an
8-month wait, $850
Bolly does not make a prop for the 2200, but hoverhawk will
make a wooden one in 3 weeks for $1200.
Aero performance in NZ will make a wooden one for about
$1600. Not sure about the lead time. (super nice fellow)
DUC prop makes an adjustable model available for around
$2200.
Jabiru makes a wood prop and composite options, however,
those are actually made of unobtainium as far as I can tell.
Warp drive refuses to make a propeller for Jab 2200s after
some rather nasty failures.
Whirlwind also no longer makes jabiru props.
I'm leaning towards the IvoProp or Sensenich wood in 60x38 at
the moment. I like the idea of the ivo being adjustable, (and
how easy it is to adjust) but I'm not sure about it given the
issues Warp had. I haven't seen anyone else running that
combination but I'm guessing it's out there.
Does anyone know of any other options I missed, or have any
suggestions?
Thanks,
Tom
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Re: New X-air H Hanuman owner
Micahel, Per the US distributor when I asked, "The Bolly Jabiru?propeller?is only for use on the 3300 engine. The 2200 cc 4-cylinder engine can only use a wood?propeller?because of the very violent power pulses it produces." I'm not sure if he just doesn't want to sell one of those and prefers one that makes more money or if Bolly isn't making them for the 2200 anymore. I'll send an Email to Bolly Au and see if they have something.
Richard, I'll send P-propeller an email ad see what I can find out. I have reached out to nrprop and would like to see about getting one, but I'm very concerned about the current situation there with Russia would cause problems.
Thank you for your help,
Tom
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Hi there ? In terms of other propeller supplier’s a lot of folk here in SA have opted for the wooden with leading edge protection for their Jabiru aircraft. I personally support the Ukranian company called http://www.nrprop.com who make superb composite propellers with stainless steel leading edge protection at a very competitive price. ? Take care Richard. ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of kymidnight@...
Sent: Monday, 21 February 2022 09:29
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XAIR] New X-air H Hanuman owner ? So far, I have found only a few options for the Jabiru 2200 powered x-air for a propeller. Prices are USD and as of Feb 2022. Sensenich makes a ground adjustable model and a wooden prop. Adjustable is about $2000, wooden about $1200 with a 6 week wait. Ivoprop says their 2 blade medium option will work, $1000, and is available now. I think a 62" might be best in this option since as I understand it, the blades have less resistance than wood so you can swing a slightly larger prop. Culver props will make one for me with a 4 month waitlist for $650 Performance Propellers USA will make a wooden one with an 8-month wait, $850 Bolly does not make a prop for the 2200, but hoverhawk will make a wooden one in 3 weeks for $1200. Aero performance in NZ will make a wooden one for about $1600. Not sure about the lead time. (super nice fellow) DUC prop makes an adjustable model available for around $2200. Jabiru makes a wood prop and composite options, however, those are actually made of unobtainium as far as I can tell. Warp drive refuses to make a propeller for Jab 2200s after some rather nasty failures. Whirlwind also no longer makes jabiru props. I'm leaning towards the IvoProp or Sensenich wood in 60x38 at the moment. I like the idea of the ivo being adjustable, (and how easy it is to adjust) but I'm not sure about it given the issues Warp had. I haven't seen anyone else running that combination but I'm guessing it's out there. Does anyone know of any other options I missed, or have any suggestions? Thanks, Tom
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The Ivo prob is loud and not really efficient.? We have Jabirus at
the airport with Bolly Props ??
So far, I have found only a few options for the Jabiru 2200
powered x-air for a propeller. Prices are USD and as of Feb
2022.
Sensenich makes a ground adjustable model and a wooden prop.
Adjustable is about $2000, wooden about $1200 with a 6 week
wait.
Ivoprop says their 2 blade medium option will work, $1000, and
is available now. I think a 62" might be best in this option
since as I understand it, the blades have less resistance than
wood so you can swing a slightly larger prop.
Culver props will make one for me with a 4 month waitlist for
$650
Performance Propellers USA will make a wooden one with an
8-month wait, $850
Bolly does not make a prop for the 2200, but hoverhawk will
make a wooden one in 3 weeks for $1200.
Aero performance in NZ will make a wooden one for about $1600.
Not sure about the lead time. (super nice fellow)
DUC prop makes an adjustable model available for around $2200.
Jabiru makes a wood prop and composite options, however, those
are actually made of unobtainium as far as I can tell.
Warp drive refuses to make a propeller for Jab 2200s after some
rather nasty failures.
Whirlwind also no longer makes jabiru props.
I'm leaning towards the IvoProp or Sensenich wood in 60x38 at
the moment. I like the idea of the ivo being adjustable, (and
how easy it is to adjust) but I'm not sure about it given the
issues Warp had. I haven't seen anyone else running that
combination but I'm guessing it's out there.
Does anyone know of any other options I missed, or have any
suggestions?
Thanks,
Tom
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So far, I have found only a few options for the Jabiru 2200 powered x-air for a propeller. Prices are USD and as of Feb 2022.
Sensenich makes a ground adjustable model and a wooden prop. Adjustable is about $2000, wooden about $1200 with a 6 week wait.
Ivoprop says their 2 blade medium option will work, $1000, and is available now. I think a 62" might be best in this option since as I understand it, the blades have less resistance than wood so you can swing a slightly larger prop.
Culver props will make one for me with a 4 month waitlist for $650
Performance Propellers USA will make a wooden one with an 8-month wait, $850
Bolly does not make a prop for the 2200, but hoverhawk will make a wooden one in 3 weeks for $1200.
Aero performance in NZ will make a wooden one for about $1600. Not sure about the lead time. (super nice fellow)
DUC prop makes an adjustable model available for around $2200.
Jabiru makes a wood prop and composite options, however, those are actually made of unobtainium as far as I can tell.
Warp drive refuses to make a propeller for Jab 2200s after some rather nasty failures.
Whirlwind also no longer makes jabiru props.
I'm leaning towards the IvoProp or Sensenich wood in 60x38 at the moment. I like the idea of the ivo being adjustable, (and how easy it is to adjust) but I'm not sure about it given the issues Warp had. I haven't seen anyone else running that combination but I'm guessing it's out there.
Does anyone know of any other options I missed, or have any suggestions?
Thanks,
Tom
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Re: X air Hanuman vortex generators
Thanks Justin. For your reply.?
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On Feb 12, 2022, at 2:50 AM, Brian Ellis via groups.io <bellis2uk@...> wrote:
? There was a company on the Isle of White U.K. made replacement fuselage covers that worked out lighter than the original and were more mould resistant. Can’t recall the name On 12 Feb 2022, at 09:23, Michael Coates <mcoates@...> wrote:
?
Its open, just slow with continual covid closures
William Scully via groups.io wrote on
12/02/2022 10:59 am:
Does anyone know if x-air factory is open or closed ?
I’ve been waiting 2 yrs for wing covers ?- now can’t get hold
of anyone from the company about my 50% deposit for my parts
?Has anyone been in-contact ?
Thanks v much.?
Bill Scully Redondo Beach Ca.?
?
Yes sir - will do!
I hope it works out well for you Justin.?
?Keep us up to date with the
progress!
Quite a lot of effort in my view
- not to mention a thumb suck as where best and
how far apart to place them given the marginal
improvement on an already slow fabric covered
aircraft. Of course those that have them swear
by the STOL performance gain, which is human
nature after all once you’ve paid your monies
and spent the time – not so! ??
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Thanks for the prompt replies!
I decided I am going ahead with it.
I spoke to 4 others with these VGs on various
fabric planes and they all wished they would
have installed them years ago.
If they don't work worst case, I'll take them
off and return the product, but I don't see why
they wouldn't work, especially underneath the
horizontal stabilizer.
That was my gut feeling on it as well. On an
aluminum or traditional dope and paint I could
see it working, but the mylar/dacron has too
much flutter and flexibility. I guess if someone
was willing to risk damaging things by using two
part epoxy or a mechanical fastener, maybe?
Doesn't seem worth the risk in an attempt to
reduce the stall speed of an already very low
stalling aircraft though.
Tom
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Re: X air Hanuman vortex generators
Contact Michael Coates Australia X-Air dealer Maybe he can help. Master Distributor Australia and New Zealand Sent from an iPad
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On 12 Feb 2022, at 11:59, William Scully via groups.io <billscully_99@...> wrote:
? Does anyone know if x-air factory is open or closed ? I’ve been waiting 2 yrs for wing covers ?- now can’t get hold of anyone from the company about my 50% deposit for my parts ?Has anyone been in-contact ? Thanks v much.? Bill Scully Redondo Beach Ca.? On Feb 11, 2022, at 3:12 PM, Justin Gregoris <jgregoris789@...> wrote:
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Yes sir - will do!
I hope it works out well for you Justin.?
?Keep us up to date with the progress!
Quite a lot of effort in my view - not to mention a thumb suck as where best and how far apart to place them given the marginal improvement on an already slow fabric covered aircraft.
Of course those that have them swear by the STOL performance gain, which is human nature after all once you’ve paid your monies and spent the time – not so! ??
?
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Thanks for the prompt replies!
I decided I am going ahead with it.
I spoke to 4 others with these VGs on various fabric planes and they all wished they would have installed them years ago.
If they don't work worst case, I'll take them off and return the product, but I don't see why they wouldn't work, especially underneath the horizontal stabilizer.
That was my gut feeling on it as well. On an aluminum or traditional dope and paint I could see it working, but the mylar/dacron has too much flutter and flexibility. I guess if someone was willing to risk damaging things by using two part epoxy or a mechanical
fastener, maybe? Doesn't seem worth the risk in an attempt to reduce the stall speed of an already very low stalling aircraft though.
Tom
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I found the best mix was a Rotax 912 and Kiev 3 blade prop.
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On 12 Feb 2022, at 19:46, Marlin Jones <mljones@...> wrote:
?You can adjust your flaps to counteract a rolling tendency. If yours rolls to the left, lower that side maybe one turn and raise the other by one turn. Another option might be to add a trim tab to the ailerons.
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You can adjust your flaps to counteract a rolling tendency. If yours rolls to the left, lower that side maybe one turn and raise the other by one turn. Another option might be to add a trim tab to the ailerons.
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I'd like to find out who makes covers as mine is getting pretty mouldy on my hanuman.
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From: "Brian Ellis via groups.io" <bellis2uk@...>
Date: 2022-02-12 6:51 a.m. (GMT-04:00)
Subject: Re: [XAIR] X air Hanuman vortex generators
There was a company on the Isle of White U.K. made replacement fuselage covers that worked out lighter than the original and were more mould resistant.
Can’t recall the name
On 12 Feb 2022, at 09:23, Michael Coates <mcoates@...> wrote:
? Its open, just slow with continual covid closures
William Scully via groups.io wrote on 12/02/2022 10:59 am:
Does anyone know if x-air factory is open or closed ?
I’ve been waiting 2 yrs for wing covers ?- now can’t get hold of anyone from the company about my 50% deposit for my parts ?Has anyone been in-contact ?
Thanks v much.?
Bill Scully Redondo Beach Ca.?
? Yes sir - will do!
I hope it works out well for you Justin.?
?Keep us up to date with the progress!
Quite a lot of effort in my view - not to mention a thumb suck as where best and how far apart to place them given the marginal improvement on
an already slow fabric covered aircraft. Of course those that have them swear by the STOL performance gain, which is human nature after all once you’ve paid your monies and spent the time – not so! ??
?
?
Thanks for the prompt replies!
I decided I am going ahead with it.
I spoke to 4 others with these VGs on various fabric planes and they all wished they would have installed them years ago.
If they don't work worst case, I'll take them off and return the product, but I don't see why they wouldn't work, especially underneath the horizontal stabilizer.
That was my gut feeling on it as well. On an aluminum or traditional dope and paint I could see it working, but the mylar/dacron has too much flutter and flexibility. I guess if someone was willing to risk damaging things by using two part epoxy
or a mechanical fastener, maybe? Doesn't seem worth the risk in an attempt to reduce the stall speed of an already very low stalling aircraft though.
Tom
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AU +61 7 5522 0583
USA +1 213 984 1237
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012
Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2017
mailto:mcoates@...
skype name: xcomavionics
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Re: X air Hanuman vortex generators
Hi I get my parts from the main xair dealer in Europe and they also have skins. www.randkar.fr ----- Upprunalegt skeyti ----- Frá: William Scully via groups.io <billscully_99@...> Til: [email protected]Sent: Sat, 12 Feb 2022 00:59:19 -0000 (GMT) Efni: Re: [XAIR] X air Hanuman vortex generators Does anyone know if x-air factory is open or closed ? I’ve been waiting 2 yrs for wing covers - now can’t get hold of anyone from the company about my 50% deposit for my parts Has anyone been in-contact ? Thanks v much. Bill Scully Redondo Beach Ca.
On Feb 11, 2022, at 3:12 PM, Justin Gregoris <jgregoris789@...> wrote:
? Yes sir - will do!
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Hank Optland <scorchedenvelope@...>
Sent: Friday, February 11, 2022 6:08:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [XAIR] X air Hanuman vortex generators
I hope it works out well for you Justin.
?Keep us up to date with the progress!
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Sent: 12 February 2022 01:59
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [XAIR] X air Hanuman vortex generators
Quite a lot of effort in my view - not to mention a thumb suck as where best and how far apart to place them given the marginal improvement on an already slow fabric covered aircraft. Of course those that have them swear by the STOL performance gain, which is human nature after all once you’ve paid your monies and spent the time – not so!
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Justin Gregoris
Sent: Friday, 11 February 2022 14:00
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [XAIR] X air Hanuman vortex generators
Thanks for the prompt replies!
I decided I am going ahead with it.
I spoke to 4 others with these VGs on various fabric planes and they all wished they would have installed them years ago.
If they don't work worst case, I'll take them off and return the product, but I don't see why they wouldn't work, especially underneath the horizontal stabilizer.
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of kymidnight@... <kymidnight@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2022 8:31:50 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [XAIR] X air Hanuman vortex generators
That was my gut feeling on it as well. On an aluminum or traditional dope and paint I could see it working, but the mylar/dacron has too much flutter and flexibility. I guess if someone was willing to risk damaging things by using two part epoxy or a mechanical fastener, maybe? Doesn't seem worth the risk in an attempt to reduce the stall speed of an already very low stalling aircraft though.
Tom
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Re: New X-air H Hanuman owner
Using a Newton propeller 60 x 38 on our UK reg Hawk. Works well with 3200 rpm max in straight level flight.
Have an issue with a progressive roll to the left with ailerons, flaps and control stick set to build specs. Adjusting rudder trim has no discernible effect. Going to try the aileron differential remedy commencing with 1 degree difference. Anyone else
tried this and to what effect. Thanks?
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On 10 Feb 2022, at 01:32, Clive Cunningham <kmmotor@...> wrote:
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Bolly Props here in South Australia.
Highly recommended for? spinny fan things on the front ( or even the back)
Clive Cunningham
K&M HD Motorcycles
10 Deacon Ave
Richmond
SA 5033
Ph. +618 8234 1090
kmmotor@...
kmmotorcycles.com.au
So I got a chance to mess around in the hanger, this is what I've found.
Ailerons are completely in line with the flaps. There appears to be no 2 degree (or any degree) of upward angle to them. I still need to grab a straight edge and make sure the flaps are right, and then adjust the ailerons to the appropriate "up" angle relative
to the flaps. I'm thinking this one at least part of the reason why it starts getting laterally unstable at higher speeds. I'm not sure, of course, but it seems?
The propeller appears to be a Tennesse props 62x42, which is, as expected, far too much propeller for the jab 2200. I need to do some playing with the engine and do some maintenance items before I'm comfortable taking her out of sight of the airport. Hopefully
soon though.
I'm thinking 60x38 for the propeller is the norm for the Hawk and jab 2200 combo, Can anyone tell me what they are using on an H? I know Mr Coates has put together quite a few, I wasn't sure what was used with good success,
Thank you all again for your help and insight!
Tom
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Re: X air Hanuman vortex generators
There was a company on the Isle of White U.K. made replacement fuselage covers that worked out lighter than the original and were more mould resistant.
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On 12 Feb 2022, at 09:23, Michael Coates <mcoates@...> wrote:
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Its open, just slow with continual covid closures
William Scully via groups.io wrote on
12/02/2022 10:59 am:
Does anyone know if x-air factory is open or closed ?
I’ve been waiting 2 yrs for wing covers ?- now can’t get hold
of anyone from the company about my 50% deposit for my parts
?Has anyone been in-contact ?
Thanks v much.?
Bill Scully Redondo Beach Ca.?
?
Yes sir - will do!
I hope it works out well for you Justin.?
?Keep us up to date with the
progress!
Quite a lot of effort in my view
- not to mention a thumb suck as where best and
how far apart to place them given the marginal
improvement on an already slow fabric covered
aircraft. Of course those that have them swear
by the STOL performance gain, which is human
nature after all once you’ve paid your monies
and spent the time – not so! ??
?
?
Thanks for the prompt replies!
I decided I am going ahead with it.
I spoke to 4 others with these VGs on various
fabric planes and they all wished they would
have installed them years ago.
If they don't work worst case, I'll take them
off and return the product, but I don't see why
they wouldn't work, especially underneath the
horizontal stabilizer.
That was my gut feeling on it as well. On an
aluminum or traditional dope and paint I could
see it working, but the mylar/dacron has too
much flutter and flexibility. I guess if someone
was willing to risk damaging things by using two
part epoxy or a mechanical fastener, maybe?
Doesn't seem worth the risk in an attempt to
reduce the stall speed of an already very low
stalling aircraft though.
Tom
?
--
With regards, Michael Coates
AU +61 7 5522 0583
USA +1 213 984 1237
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2012
Winner of the EAA August Raspet Award 2012
PIPISTREL AIRCRAFT DEALER OF THE YEAR 2017
mailto:mcoates@...
skype name: xcomavionics
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