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Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition


 

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I like the power delivery of a 360 degree twin. Firing order is important. The reason that Triumphs made such good dirt bikes is that the firing?angle is symmetrical...every 180 degrees. Bang chuff bang chuff and so on. Thus you get a regular bang on every revolution, at the same place...just like a two stroke single....
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180 degree crank bikes don't have the same firing,...they're either bang chuff, chuff bang, or bang bang chuff chuff. It feels different and not entirely 'right' to me.
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It's like the difference between a 120 degree triple and a typical four. The Triple always has a totally different feel...somehow more appropriate to a motorcycle...It might be something to do with the regularity of power pulses when the bike is at the limit of traction...I don't really know, but certainly 360 degree twin dirt bikes put power down in a very controlled way.
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Four stroke single dirt bikes are better than two stroke singles at getting power down initially as they punch out of corners and that is entirely down to the fact that the bikes composure has time to settle in-between pulses and the regular rhythm?of the pulses allows the rider to 'sense' the rear tyre's behaviour . 360 twins are the same but you need long stroke lower revving?motors to ensure the pulses are far enough apart.
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If they could make them light enough, I would not be surprised to see four stroke 360 degree twins competing again in top level MX because they make more power than a single with similar bottom end grunt.
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As you say, you need to add 1000 rpm to everything...That doesn't work 'off-road' and the edge of that difference is what I sense 'on-road'.
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I've no doubt your bike??fuels smoothly, revs higher, makes more power and all that, but?all 180 degree motors ?'feel' slightly wrong to me...irrespective of build or brand.
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Jon

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition

This I take issue with. The 650Rs power delivery is one reason I bought it. Feels like 2 singles grunting out of a corner. Rarely do I take it to 8500 RPM (max hp). Usually it's ridden like the W, just add 1000 rpm to everything.
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You need to ride one before you flag it with the generalizations. It's not a buzzy ER5.
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Dennis
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 3:55 AM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition



In my opinion there is no comparison between the two types of layout in
'feel' terms. Having ridden the old ER5 180 twin, it's 'just' a bike. Fairly
peppy, of course, a bit revvy, nice neutral handling and all that, but no
magic to the power delivery or feel.

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