Re: I've Done It (I think)

#128904

I think that, in fact, the air drag does push against the front of the box, but I also think that pressure lightens the front wheel by pushing against the box...I think that because, one, my manual said so, and two, because when carrying a passenger the box doesn't get the same amount of air flow and my Venture never weaved when riding two up.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: <W650riders@...>
Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It (I think)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 15:12:23 +0100


Top boxes create a low pressure zone behind the rear wheel. They generate
drag, but the high pressure air is pushing against the front of the box and
does little more than slow the bike. Also, top boxes are invariably sitting
in the midst of the turbulence created by the rider. They may well actually
marginally improve aerodynmamics by filling in some of that low pressure
zone.

They do however bugger up the C0G...:-)

.. On the W the low pressure is generated behindf the rider and the rider is
forced back into that zone. Because the rider resists being pulled back, the
force is directed down through his arse onto the seat which squashes the
rear suspension. The pillion fills in that hole and their low pressure zone
develops behind them BUT it isa lot  less because rider plus pillion make a
longer more aerodynamic shape.


My Venture has a warnning attached to the trunk lid, it says do not exceed
85 MPH with luggage attached.  The Ws I have owned wander at 120 MPH or so
(but didn't with Marcia sitting behind me, so I think it is aerodynamics).

The top box didn't affect the CB 400 F up to where it leveled off at 100
MPH, and I rode the Nighthawk 650 up to 100 MPH without a problem with a
box
on the back, which doesn't mean that there would not have been a problem,
had I gone faster.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: <W650riders@...>
Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It  (I think)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:50:58 +0100


  You won't get one. The Police one's weave for the same reason the W
does...Big coppers punch a big hole in the air and create a BIG low
pressure
zone. The cops are scratching their heads because their Pans are fitted
with
up-rated load adjusting shocks but they'll still sometimes but not always
weaving at high speed. They've cottoned on to the extra weight thing, but
not the torso size of the rider. They haven't yet spotted that its the big
chested burly officers that are getting the problems.....

  Think I should tell 'em?

  Jon




  I took it up to speeds in excess of the normal motorway speeds and no
weave at all. however mine will have the top box fitted so I will find out
if that has an adverse effect
  Dick
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Jonhaddock@...
    To: W650riders@...
    Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2007 8:20 PM
    Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It (I think)



      Cool!

      Now you can get embroiled in the famous copper killing weave debates
that are consuming all the Pan riders at the moment.

      I spoke to a Pan riding copper last month and I'm pretty sure its
the
same as the W weave!


      As some of you will know recently I have been considering a more
touring style of appliance. Today I rode tested a ST1300 Pan European. I
was
offered a really good trade in for my CB1300S against a brand new Pan
complete with a package off accessories worth 850 for less than the list
price of a standard bike.
      Hopefully I will be concluding the deal next week
      Dick




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Re: I've Done It (I think)

#128905

Aloha John,

I think the key word in your question is "need", and if that is what you mean, the W doesn't need tinkering...but some of its character traits have inspired tinkering.

To me, the Brittish or European look is enhanced by lower bars..like the ones that are OEM on later W models sold in the UK..I haven't tinkered with that yet, but it is on my list.

Ws tend to have a long warm up time, many members of this group have tinkered with the carbs/air boxes to "fix" this..not really a problem, but it does inspire tinkering.

The tires it came with were adequate, many better choices are available..a lot of tinkering/experimenting with different tires has been done by group members.

The W is actually a pretty simple machine, very versatile, so, there have been many different aspects of tinkering on this bike..but bottom line, it is a good machine as delivered and with all our tinkering, few people have been able to actually hurt it.

James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

From: john gary simpson <eustisgary@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It (I think)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:00:21 -0700 (PDT)

There two aspects of my enjoyment of bikes.  I like to ride them and I like to tinker with them.  That given, I like to always have ONE that doesn't need tinkering!  My Excelsior henderson always needed tinkering.  Is that the case with the W?

Dick Tym <rocker66@...> wrote:          That is exactly why I enjoy them. I prefer to spend my spare time riding my
bikes not tinkering with them.
having said that I appreciate the fact that many people do get a lot of
pleasure from tinkering
Dick

Show quoted text

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Franklin" <jimw650@...>
To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It (I think)

Dick,

I still have more Hondas than you do...love-em all...what I said was, that
Hondas, most Hondas aren't characters like the W is, my CB 900 is a
character only because of that dual range transmission. Doesn't mean that
I
don't enjoy it, just that it, like most of my previous Hondas are turn key
and go vehicles with little tinkering required.

James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

From: Laura <laurauk.rider@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It (I think)
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 23:10:34 +0100

sounds like it, blimey.

What's wrong with kawasaki? :-)

Laura

On 19/07/07, Dick Tym <rocker66@...> wrote:

If all goes according to plan I will have the Pan & the Deauville and
Sue
will have the Hornet 600 & CBF 1000.
Yes despite what some members say we like Hondas
Dick
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Re: I've Done It (I think)

#128903

Rauri,

The first sentence begins with "Venture", I must have been distracted when I wrote "W".

W # 1 has done an indicated 115 MPH, no weave.

W # 2 has done an indicated 105 MPH, and has presented a pretty respectable weave at speeds over 90 MPH.

James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

From: Ruari McLennan <r.mclennan@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It (I think)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:53:49 -0700

How the heck did you get to 120 MPH on the Ws, James?

Ruari

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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Franklin" <jimw650@...>
To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It (I think)

My Venture has a warnning attached to the trunk lid, it says do not exceed
85 MPH with luggage attached.  The Ws I have owned wander at 120 MPH or so
(but didn't with Marcia sitting behind me, so I think it is aerodynamics).

The top box didn't affect the CB 400 F up to where it leveled off at 100
MPH, and I rode the Nighthawk 650 up to 100 MPH without a problem with a
box
on the back, which doesn't mean that there would not have been a problem,
had I gone faster.

James Franklin

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Re: I've Done It (I think)

#128902

James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

From: Ruari McLennan <r.mclennan@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It (I think)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 11:53:49 -0700

How the heck did you get to 120 MPH on the Ws, James?

Ruari

Show quoted text

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Franklin" <jimw650@...>
To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It (I think)

My Venture has a warnning attached to the trunk lid, it says do not exceed
85 MPH with luggage attached.  The Ws I have owned wander at 120 MPH or so
(but didn't with Marcia sitting behind me, so I think it is aerodynamics).

The top box didn't affect the CB 400 F up to where it leveled off at 100
MPH, and I rode the Nighthawk 650 up to 100 MPH without a problem with a
box
on the back, which doesn't mean that there would not have been a problem,
had I gone faster.

James Franklin

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Re: Weave WAS I've Done It (I think)

#128901

I meant Ventures wandered at 120 MPH ( I read W on my post, but I didn't type that on purpose, I must have been distracted), my first W, a 2000 bought new, has seen 115 MPH indicated..any occilation on that bike can be contributed to trade winds..45 - 60 MPH.  On stretches without severe winds, the bike just moves along..at 115, I hadn't been winding long, in fact hadn't been in 5th long.

W II dances about at speeds over 90 MPH unless I move back on the seat..moving forward, towards the tank, has fixed this kind of problem on other bikes..didn't on W II though.

I have had the second W up to 105 MPH indicated..held it there for a while, and it didn't seem like it had any more.



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: Ruari McLennan <r.mclennan@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Re: Weave WAS  I've Done It (I think)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 12:02:49 -0700

So, you two, if I want to go up the highway on the W 500 miles or so, what
about wearing a large mountaineering backpack bigger at the bottom than top,
stuffed with crumpled newspaper to be very light, to fill in that
aerodynamic hole behind me and prevent weave?

Ruari ( who made it to an indicated 170 (105)  the other day without weave
tops, but still cannot conceive how James got to 120)

from Jon Haddock-

. On the W the low pressure is generated behindf the rider and the rider
is
forced back into that zone. Because the rider resists being pulled back,
the
force is directed down through his arse onto the seat which squashes the
rear suspension. The pillion fills in that hole and their low pressure
zone
develops behind them BUT it isa lot  less because rider plus pillion make
a
longer more aerodynamic shape.and from James Franklin-

The Ws I have owned wander at 120 MPH or so
(but didn't with Marcia sitting behind me, so I think it is aerodynamics).

_________________________________________________________________

NWC: classic Python

#128900

开云体育

=

?

There is no greater expression of liberty than the report of a RIFLE!

Re: I've Done It (I think)

petetibble

#128898

Did have to smirk last night when I happenned upon a rider on an
1970's Ducati 750 who'd stopped to help a guy on an almost brand new
CBR600 suffering from rear brake failure.
I thought I'd ridden into some strange parallel universe... Well it
was South Molton so not so far from the truth!
Pete

--- In W650riders@..., "Dick Tym" <rocker66@...> wrote:

If all goes according to plan I will have the Pan & the Deauvilleand Sue will have the Hornet 600 & CBF 1000.
Yes despite what some members say we like Hondas
Dick

(X-post) A question for someone who has installed an ammeter

#128899

--- In W650Registry@..., "mackenzie_ms_fiona"
<mackenzie_ms_fiona@...> wrote:

 An ammeter on a bike with breaker point ignition will help you
identify TDC. The points will open as the piston just passes TDC and
the meter reading wil go to zero. The rider can then use the kick-
starter and not fight against compression.

 Now my question is: Does the w's electronic ignition cause a similar
swing of the ammeter's needle?

--- End forwarded message ---

NWC: Nice bike on ebay

#128896

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Re: TWO Reservations confirmed

oldklr250

#128897

Dang!  You keep coming in the middle of the week when I can't ride
up to meet you.  Come on a weekend sometime!  :-)
Vern (Atlanta)


--- In W650riders@..., "James Franklin" <jimw650@...>
wrote:

I confirmed my reservations for Two Wheels Only, Suches GA today.

I will be staying Tuesday, 4 September through Thursday 6September,
checking out on Friday the 7th.

James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)

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Re: Front and rear wheel travel

#128895

开云体育

Oh, you wanted that rear travel with the shocks on?

?

Dennis ;^)

?

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----- Original Message -----

From: Ruari McLennan

To: W650riders@...

Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 12:17 PM

Subject: Re: [W650riders] Front and rear wheel travel

I just went through the same search. The service manual for my 2000 model W
states in "General Information" p. 1-7 that front wheel travel is 130 mm
(5.1"), rear wheel travel is 105 mm (4.1"). But my medium damping 20Kg
spring weight classic rear Hagon shocks only have 3.2" travel. Don't know
about the Hagon progressive fork springs I have.
PS I got 2" sag at the front, just over 1" at the rear.

Ruari

----- Original Message -----
From: "Terence Pocsik" <t.j.pocsik@windstream.net>
To: "W650riders Groups" <W650riders@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 11:31 AM
Subject: [W650riders] Front and rear wheel travel

>I want to check the sag on the new Works springs and shocks that I
> just installed on the W. I can't find what the travel is in the
> manual. I'm sure somebody knows and would appreciate the specs.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Terence

Re: Front and rear wheel travel

Ruari McLennan

#128894

I just went through the same search.  The service manual for my 2000 model W states in "General Information" p. 1-7 that front wheel travel is 130 mm (5.1"), rear wheel travel is 105 mm (4.1").   But my medium damping 20Kg spring weight classic rear Hagon shocks only have 3.2" travel.   Don't know about the Hagon progressive fork springs I have.
PS I got 2" sag at the front,  just over 1" at the rear.

Ruari

Show quoted text

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Terence Pocsik" <t.j.pocsik@...>
To: "W650riders Groups" <W650riders@...>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 11:31 AM
Subject: [W650riders] Front and rear wheel travel

I want to check the sag on the new Works springs and shocks that I
just installed on the W. I can't find what the travel is in the
manual. I'm sure somebody knows and would appreciate the specs.

Thanks in advance.

Terence

Re: Front and rear wheel travel

#128892

Thanks Dennis

Show quoted text

On Jul 20, 2007, at 2:39 PM, Dennis J. Guggemos wrote:

pg 1-7 of my 2000 manual, under Frame specs.
fr 130mm 5 1/8"
rr 105mm 4 1/8"
?
Dennis
?
----- Original Message -----
From: Terence Pocsik
To: W650riders Groups
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 11:31 AM
Subject: [W650riders] Front and rear wheel travel

I want to check the sag on the new Works springs and shocks that I
just installed on the W. I can't find what the travel is in the
manual. I'm sure somebody knows and would appreciate the specs.

Thanks in advance.

Terence

Re: jetting

Ruari McLennan

#128893

Sounds like you could also use a new bigger pilot jet (#38 instead of stock #35)

Ruari

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mnthope" <balloumike@...>
To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 7:00 AM
Subject: [W650riders] Re: jetting

Thanks Jon
I am hoping the needles help the 2000-3000 RPM surge too. The bike is
a CA model with the "Special Needle". I backed the pilot jet screws
out 5+ turns and the idle kept going up. So far infact that one of the
screws fell out and I lost the spring while I was riding. The Screw
looks undamaged as it just sat between the starter and engine. I will
order a new screw along with the jets and needles.
Mike

 In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@..." <jonhaddock@...> wrote:

Pilot adjustment should be set so that with the bike warm, there is no
discernable popping. Popping is symptomatic of a LEAN mix and willmake the
bike feel lacklustre during warm-up.

The KLR needles are fine. Main jets only matter after 6000 rpm withstock
airboxes the 122's will be spot on.....all you need to do is fiddlewith
needle height. Start with the needles at their lowest ( leanest) point.
They'll still be better than stock there but lifting them one notchat a
time will get you to the right place. Look for improvements from4000 to
6000 rpm...That's where the stock ones fall down once decent pipes are
fitted!

Good luck!

Jon

Hi Jon
I just got my bike, it was shipped from California to New Hampshire,
and so it took awhile. It is currently fitted with fish pipes but not
rejetted. I would like to have a go at it and would like some advice
on the best jets/needles. Based on your previous recommendations I
have located the KLX 300 needles and thought I would get a 122 and a
112 main jet in case I go back to the stock pipes. Would you recommend
going with the Kawasaki jet/needles or aftermarket like factory pro.
The Price is not much different when you start using combinations. The
bike still runs poorly during warm-up (30 minutes of riding) and I
have adjusted the pilot screw out to the point where the bike started
popping off throttle. I also checked the carburetors' synchronization
and it look good. I am hoping it is not the vacuum diaphragm. Anyway
thanks for your help.
Mike

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Re: Weave WAS I've Done It (I think)

Ruari McLennan

#128891

So, you two, if I want to go up the highway on the W 500 miles or so, what about wearing a large mountaineering backpack bigger at the bottom than top, stuffed with crumpled newspaper to be very light, to fill in that aerodynamic hole behind me and prevent weave?

Ruari ( who made it to an indicated 170 (105)  the other day without weave tops, but still cannot conceive how James got to 120)

from Jon Haddock-

. On the W the low pressure is generated behindf the rider and the rider is
forced back into that zone. Because the rider resists being pulled back, the
force is directed down through his arse onto the seat which squashes the
rear suspension. The pillion fills in that hole and their low pressure zone
develops behind them BUT it isa lot  less because rider plus pillion make a
longer more aerodynamic shape.and from James Franklin-

The Ws I have owned wander at 120 MPH or so
(but didn't with Marcia sitting behind me, so I think it is aerodynamics).

Re: I've Done It (I think)

Martin Taylor

#128890

probably means 102..lysdexic

________________________________

From: W650riders@... on behalf of Ruari McLennan
Sent: Fri 20/07/2007 19:53
To: W650riders@...
Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It (I think)

How the heck did you get to 120 MPH on the Ws, James?

Ruari

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Franklin" <jimw650@...>
To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It (I think)

My Venture has a warnning attached to the trunk lid, it says do not exceed
85 MPH with luggage attached.  The Ws I have owned wander at 120 MPH or so
(but didn't with Marcia sitting behind me, so I think it is aerodynamics).

The top box didn't affect the CB 400 F up to where it leveled off at 100
MPH, and I rode the Nighthawk 650 up to 100 MPH without a problem with a
box
on the back, which doesn't mean that there would not have been a problem,
had I gone faster.

James Franklin

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Ruari McLennan

#128889

How the heck did you get to 120 MPH on the Ws, James?

Ruari

Show quoted text

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Franklin" <jimw650@...>
To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 5:49 AM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] I've Done It (I think)

My Venture has a warnning attached to the trunk lid, it says do not exceed
85 MPH with luggage attached.  The Ws I have owned wander at 120 MPH or so
(but didn't with Marcia sitting behind me, so I think it is aerodynamics).

The top box didn't affect the CB 400 F up to where it leveled off at 100
MPH, and I rode the Nighthawk 650 up to 100 MPH without a problem with a box
on the back, which doesn't mean that there would not have been a problem,
had I gone faster.

James Franklin

Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition

Martin Taylor

#128888

the best thing to do with Spam is coat it in batter and make fritters out of it.

________________________________

From: W650riders@... on behalf of John
Sent: Fri 20/07/2007 07:00
To: W650riders@...
Subject: [W650riders] Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition



my apologies

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John, every time I log onto this, it spams and pop-ups me.

Ruari
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To: <W650riders@... <mailto:W650riders%40yahoogroups.com> >
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 11:16 PM
Subject: [W650riders] Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition


only 40 signatures were captured. Kind of disappointing, can anyone
help spreading the word of this petition? Send emails to all your
friends and ask them to fwd that email to their friends.

--- In W650riders@... <mailto:W650riders%40yahoogroups.com> , "John " <schnozejt@> wrote:

Hello all,

Ive started a petition to bring back the w650 - please sign it here:

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Here's one of the posting i've put on craigslist about this

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Please tell all your friends and family about this

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Re: Front and rear wheel travel

#128887

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pg 1-7 of my 2000 manual, under Frame specs.

fr 130mm 5 1/8"

rr 105mm 4 1/8"

?

Dennis

?

Show quoted text

----- Original Message -----

From: Terence Pocsik

To: W650riders Groups

Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 11:31 AM

Subject: [W650riders] Front and rear wheel travel

I want to check the sag on the new Works springs and shocks that I
just installed on the W. I can't find what the travel is in the
manual. I'm sure somebody knows and would appreciate the specs.

Thanks in advance.

Terence

Front and rear wheel travel

#128886

I want to check the sag on the new Works springs and shocks that I  just installed on the W. I can't find what the travel is in the  manual. I'm sure somebody knows and would appreciate the specs.

Thanks in advance.

Terence