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Re: Chain tension

 

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Yup, chain is shot. Likely the sprockets are gone, especially the front as it tends to hook if it's the stock part.
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It's and endless chain and needs to be broken, then you don't need to remove the swingarm. Then a new endless chain would be riveted on.
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Personally, I'd use a masterlink.
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Dennis
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----- Original Message -----
From: zottomagic
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 12:51 PM
Subject: [W650riders] Chain tension

Just noticed while lubing my chain:

Through most of the travel of the chain, I can turn the rear wheel
easily with a finger touch. The chain is actually a bit loose - 1.75"
play at the middle. Keep turning and it gets to a really tight spot -
it takes some effort (whole hand) to turn the wheel; the chain on top
and bottom is taught - almost no play - and as it settles into this
position, you can hear the chain creak a bit...

Not so good... Maybe that's why my W feels like it's working extra
hard...

Time for a new chain?

If so: the manual makes it sound like you have to take apart half the
bike - rear wheel, swing arm, etc... Do you folks usually do this
yourselves? (i.e. should I make the attempt myself, having never done
anything of this scale?). How long does it take?

Thanks!

- Rob


Chain tension

 

Just noticed while lubing my chain:

Through most of the travel of the chain, I can turn the rear wheel
easily with a finger touch. The chain is actually a bit loose - 1.75"
play at the middle. Keep turning and it gets to a really tight spot -
it takes some effort (whole hand) to turn the wheel; the chain on top
and bottom is taught - almost no play - and as it settles into this
position, you can hear the chain creak a bit...

Not so good... Maybe that's why my W feels like it's working extra
hard...

Time for a new chain?

If so: the manual makes it sound like you have to take apart half the
bike - rear wheel, swing arm, etc... Do you folks usually do this
yourselves? (i.e. should I make the attempt myself, having never done
anything of this scale?). How long does it take?

Thanks!

- Rob


Re: the bike has to go

 

Heh, thanks.? Unfortunately, dental work gets in the way of "fun" expenses. (grumble)

V-Star and Dub both doing well.? V-star is still too loud...? :)

I should probably get offline ... even though I'm on battery power rather than plugged in, there is one heck of a t-storm outside right now!

In a message dated 7/4/2007 6:54:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jimw650@... writes:


Rose,

Just borrow my truck and go get that bike.

How's the V-Star doing by the way, and is your W back on her feet?




Rrrose.
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Re: Oil level...

 

Halfway up the window when the bike is dead level and upright. If it is overfull and you run at high speed it can blow oil vapour into the airbox....but only a bit.

Mine doesn't seem to care!

Jon

Checked the oil level last night, I can see where there is a little
mark showing 'low' level, but where is the mark to show high level? my
oil fills the sight window, although it appears to be just
fractionally above the top of the window...seen by leaning the bike
and then watching the window as I put the bike upright again. So where
is the upper limit?



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Re: Fw: ~ME00001.PPS

 

And which hospital are we visiting you at?? Broken kneecaps must hurt...

In a message dated 7/2/2007 8:24:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, djguggms@... writes:


I had a terrible day!!!

I rear ended someone today. If that's not bad enough,
the guy I hit is a DWARF!! When he got out of his car he
looked up at me and said, "I am NOT happy!"

So I made the mistake of asking "Well, which one are you then?"




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Re: W's look like.....

Roy Easthill
 

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Click W650... look for Minizooms.
Hear me afore you see me!!
Roy.
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 3:27 PM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] W's look like.....

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From: Roy Easthill <roy@hoolits.plus.com>
Date: 2007/07/04 Wed AM 08:26:36 CDT
To: "W650riders@yahoogroup" <W650riders@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [W650riders] W's look like.....

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Roy, where did you get your exhuast system for your W? looks great.
Music Matty

I still reckon my W looks more like my old??A65 than a Bonnie.Here's the 2 of them.Roy


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NWC: headlites

 

Anyone seen these??





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Re: the bike has to go

 

Dayum, Dale, I wish I was up your way!? :)

In a message dated 7/1/2007 5:19:01 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dalekaren@... writes:


I have a 2000 W 650 for sale.
3000 miles, blue and silver, new batt. last year,
this bike is in new condition. no modifications,
current and clear title, tabs, reg.
I am located in the minnesota, twin cities area.
I have owned this bike for 5 years, just don;t ride it any more.
Please help me with this sale, I have found a new toy that I have to
have.
Dale Larsen
dalekaren@...
(651)483-8517



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Re: Sag or Preload; & suspension

Ruari McLennan
 

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How do I determine, "full travel?"
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Ruari

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Sag or Preload; & suspension

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'Sitting on' sag should be approximately 1/4 of full travel.
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Pre-load is simply turning a ring to pre-compress the spring so when you are moving the ring up to squash the spring you are increasing pre-load. Bear in mind all you do is limit the low speed springing. Once the spring starts to compress it compresses at the normal rate irrespective of preload settings because springs compress linearly.

Hi, I popped by the motorcycle co-op today and they measured my W650 preload "sag."
They are not terribly familiar with older style bikes, they are a sportbike/racer shop.
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I have Hagon progressive front fork springs, and Hagon 20 Kg. rear classic shocks.
I weigh 198 lbs dry and 217 on the bike with gear.
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They suggested 30 mm front;? and 35 mm. rear was right for sportbikes.
My results were: Front 50 mm.; and rear 27 mm.
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Details were:
Front 170 mm. unloaded; 130 one bounce; 120 with full load? = 50mm.
Rear? 160 mm. unloaded; 160 one bounce (note no difference); 133 loaded?= 27 mm.
One bounce means bike loaded under its own weight, no rider.
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They suggested I use longer spacers in front, and go back to the factory 18 Kg. shocks at the rear.?
Or see if I can adjust the Hagon rear shocks.? They said the longest setting?turned out (which I think I'm on) had the most preload, which I didn't realize, I thought it went the other way.? So I guess I turn it clockwise from the bottom to shorten it to increase the preload sag?? I'm confused.
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Any comments from you folks?? I wonder if sportbike measurements are applicable here, particularly when the W650 rear shocks are so vertical by comparison.
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Ruari McLennan
Victoria BC


Re: How to remove the front wheel.

 

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Pete
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From the manual; my comments in ( ).
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Loosen left axle clamp bolt. (Pinch bolt).
Loosen axle. (unscrew).
Raise front wheel off the ground (special jack they say, but you can improvise).
Pull out axle and remove front wheel.
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In other words, just unthread the axle and pull it out, after loosening the pinch bolt.
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Dennis
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----- Original Message -----
From: pete7953
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 10:14 AM
Subject: [W650riders] How to remove the front wheel.

Firstly, thanks to everyone who replied with help on my shimmy problem.
hopefully when I get a new front tyre to match the new rear, it will go
away. However, until then, I have just tried to get the front wheel out
but it looks like 2 rather large hex wrenches are required. Is one side
a 'bolt' and the other a 'nut', or are both fixings 'nuts' I also
presume the 2 forward face hex socket screws come out as well. sadly,
there are no wrenches in the tool kit.

So what is the correct procedure for front wheel removal?

Thanks,

pete


How to remove the front wheel.

pete7953
 

Firstly, thanks to everyone who replied with help on my shimmy problem.
hopefully when I get a new front tyre to match the new rear, it will go
away. However, until then, I have just tried to get the front wheel out
but it looks like 2 rather large hex wrenches are required. Is one side
a 'bolt' and the other a 'nut', or are both fixings 'nuts' I also
presume the 2 forward face hex socket screws come out as well. sadly,
there are no wrenches in the tool kit.

So what is the correct procedure for front wheel removal?

Thanks,

pete


Re: Oil level...

Ruari McLennan
 

Hi Nige, on my bike there are no visible marks at the front edge of the sight window, you have to swing the footpeg out of the way and look at the rear side of it. Here's an attached diagram from my manual showing marks at each edge, which does not reflect the reality...
I kick identical blocks (melamine cupboard shelves, about 5/8"), under each tire in the garage after putting it on the centrestand to keep it level.

Ruari

----- Original Message -----
From: "nige_1959" <nigel.denton1@...>
To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 8:24 AM
Subject: [W650riders] Oil level...


Checked the oil level last night, I can see where there is a little
mark showing 'low' level, but where is the mark to show high level? my
oil fills the sight window, although it appears to be just
fractionally above the top of the window...seen by leaning the bike
and then watching the window as I put the bike upright again. So where
is the upper limit?


Re: CL W650 Petition ?

 

You found a way to do a national search using Craigslist?? Or did you
just do it for specific geographic clusters??

Vernon


I was on Craigslist today and searched, what else,
W650.

An add appeared with a link for a petition to import
the new Ws to the US.
It seems curious that this bloke hasn't posted to any
W650 groups that I'm aware of.



Does anyone know something about it.

Kirk


Re: Changing main jets - HELP

Ruari McLennan
 

Or, you can do what I did, and use Factory Pro's jet kit which includes tapered needles, developed for an open exhaust/airbox setup with Dennis Guggemos' input. But it works on a stock bike to some extent too. My local shop prefers their kits and needles.

I've just had it installed on a stock exhaust/airbox bike. Despite my request that the local shop re-use the stock #35 pilot jet, they went with factory Pro's recommendation to go up to a #38. They feel that here at sea level it's probably a good idea. They feel that most bikes are set a bit lean in that range anyway. The idle mixture (pilot) screws are now set at 2 3/4 turns out rather than 3 1/2. They put in the #112 main jet instead of the stock #118.

I just did it, so will report more later, but around town the low range power seems much more smoothly "on tap" or immediately available, rather than what I used to find, ie., twisting the throttle a lot, and waiting a bit for a late "surge" of power. They called this "lean surge," and it is gone. I initially wondered if it was now a tad too rich, but having ridden it a couple of days I feel there is a definite improvement- the bike feels like a more modern bike in its power delivery. I seem to whoosh smoothly up to a good clip without noticing the kind of raw surge and vibration I did before. I find myself going a tad fast without noticing how I got there!

As to high range horsepower, I haven't done much on the highway yet, but on a short run it felt great. The bike runs good. Warms up real fast now!

Now, I must say that they didn't go through a thorough testing or dyno session, simply plugged in the #112 as per Jon's recommendations. But this seems to be a forgiving bike which will operate fine under a variety of slightly different configurations anyway. I suspect the rest is just very fine tuning which wouldn't matter to me in practice.

Ruari

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jon Haddock" <jonhaddock@...>
To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 4:54 AM
Subject: [W650riders] Re: Changing main jets - HELP


--- In W650riders@..., "jonathan_64_08_22"
<jonathan_64_08_22@...> wrote:
You can bodge it by using thin washers as shims, one per side, but
ideally
you need better more tapered needles. I used a pair of needles meant
for the
Kawasaki four stroke Dual/sport or clubman enduro bike, the KLR250 or
300.
Alternatively you could spring for the Dynojet kit which includes
needles.

cheers

Jon

Hi Jon,

I indeed get the flat spot at 4'500rpm. Really quite annoying. What
are the needles
required to improve this (as per your messages below). Really
appreciate your help.


Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition

 

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I'll give you that the looks are off the wall, but the bike gets pretty good reviews as an all-rounder, a good UJM and loads of fun to ride.
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Dennis
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 4:34 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [W650riders] Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition

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From: "Dennis J. Guggemos" <djguggms@sonic.net>
Date: 2007/07/04 Wed AM 12:16:38 CDT
To: W650riders@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [W650riders] Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition

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Another cosmic looking bike they dare to call a motorcycle. Now I understand why Im seeing New Harley Sportsters everywhere on the road again...great price and great looks of simplicity.
Just my thoughts on the Versy Matty

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Oil level...

nige_1959
 

Checked the oil level last night, I can see where there is a little
mark showing 'low' level, but where is the mark to show high level? my
oil fills the sight window, although it appears to be just
fractionally above the top of the window...seen by leaning the bike
and then watching the window as I put the bike upright again. So where
is the upper limit?


Re: Exhaust

 

Doesn't the exhaust moving through just wear at the baffles like errosion?



James Franklin
2411 Pine Summit DR. E
Jacksonville, Florida 32211

808-225-0994 (cell)





From: "Chris Spence" <chspence@...>
Reply-To: W650riders@...
To: "W650riders@Yahoogroups. Com" <w650riders@...>
Subject: [W650riders] Exhaust
Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2007 08:08:02 -0400

Personally, I would not recommend messing around with the Stock Exhaust by
trying to punch holes in it.



Having traveled behind a couple of W650's in the past, they have a "Great
Note".



Mine seems to haven gotten louder over time, sound great, no longer
backfires.



The bike also seems to warm up quicker than it used too when I first got it!



2000 W650 "Stock"



87,000 Klms,



Chris Spence, St.Catharines , Ontario. Canada.

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Re: W's look like.....

 

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From: Roy Easthill <roy@...>
Date: 2007/07/04 Wed AM 08:26:36 CDT
To: "W650riders@yahoogroup" <W650riders@...>
Subject: [W650riders] W's look like.....





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Roy, where did you get your exhuast system for your W? looks great.
Music Matty








I still reckon my W looks more like my old??A65 than a Bonnie.Here's the 2 of them.Roy


Re: Whae's like us?...NWC

nige_1959
 

When I said 'half of Englan' ...I should add the other half to me :>)


--- In W650riders@..., "Roy Easthill" <roy@...> wrote:

I'm no gonna comment!!!
Roy



If this had happened in a US airport,compared to Glasgow ???



Eyewitness accounts,



America:"Oh my God! there was a man on fire,he was running

about, i just ran for my life..i thought i was gonna die,he got so

close to me"



Glasgow "C*nt wis running aboot on fire, so a ran up n gave

him a good boot, then decked him"



America:"I just wanna get home,away from here..i just wanna

get home,i thought i was gonna die"



Glasgow:"here Shuggie, am no leaving here till am oan a f*ckin' plane!"



America:"there was pandemonium, people were running in all

directions,we didn't know what was hapening,i thought i was gonna die"



Glasgow:"F*ck this fir a kerry oan, 'mon we'll get a pint in"



America:"We thought he was gonna blow us all up he had a

gas canister,and was trying to get into his trunk,i thought we were

gonna die,i just ran for my life"



Glasgow:"a swaggered by the motor that wis on fire,and the

dafty couldnae even open his boot,he wis in fire annaw, so a ran up
n gave him a good boot to the baws"



America:there was this huge explosion,it sounded like war,i

thought i was gonna die"



Glasgow:"There wis a bang, yi know when yi thro a banger

intae a fire, it wis like that"



America:"i'm too traumatised even to speak,i thought i was

gonna die"



Glasgow "here mate, gies 2 minutes till a phone ma auld

dear,if am gonna be oan the telly a want her tae tape it"





& finally, two quotes from an eye-witness.........John Smeaton



(These are real)



John just surpassed himself on the National ITV new. The interviewer



asked "What message do you have for the bombers" - he replied

"This is Glasgow we'll just set about you"



John done an interview on cnn and they asked how he

restrained the guy and he said "me and other folk were just tryin tae

get the boot in and some other guy banjoed him" !



Mr Smeaton - Local Hero





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Re: Whae's like us?

nige_1959
 

Whae's like us?

In truth probably half of England.

And to be fair to our stateside brethern they did have a go at the
blokes that tried to take over one of the planes on 9/11...



--- In W650riders@..., "Roy Easthill" <roy@...> wrote:

I'm no gonna comment!!!
Roy



If this had happened in a US airport,compared to Glasgow ???



Eyewitness accounts,



America:"Oh my God! there was a man on fire,he was running

about, i just ran for my life..i thought i was gonna die,he got so

close to me"



Glasgow "C*nt wis running aboot on fire, so a ran up n gave

him a good boot, then decked him"



America:"I just wanna get home,away from here..i just wanna

get home,i thought i was gonna die"



Glasgow:"here Shuggie, am no leaving here till am oan a f*ckin' plane!"



America:"there was pandemonium, people were running in all

directions,we didn't know what was hapening,i thought i was gonna die"



Glasgow:"F*ck this fir a kerry oan, 'mon we'll get a pint in"



America:"We thought he was gonna blow us all up he had a

gas canister,and was trying to get into his trunk,i thought we were

gonna die,i just ran for my life"



Glasgow:"a swaggered by the motor that wis on fire,and the

dafty couldnae even open his boot,he wis in fire annaw, so a ran up
n gave him a good boot to the baws"



America:there was this huge explosion,it sounded like war,i

thought i was gonna die"



Glasgow:"There wis a bang, yi know when yi thro a banger

intae a fire, it wis like that"



America:"i'm too traumatised even to speak,i thought i was

gonna die"



Glasgow "here mate, gies 2 minutes till a phone ma auld

dear,if am gonna be oan the telly a want her tae tape it"





& finally, two quotes from an eye-witness.........John Smeaton



(These are real)



John just surpassed himself on the National ITV new. The interviewer



asked "What message do you have for the bombers" - he replied

"This is Glasgow we'll just set about you"



John done an interview on cnn and they asked how he

restrained the guy and he said "me and other folk were just tryin tae

get the boot in and some other guy banjoed him" !



Mr Smeaton - Local Hero





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