If there's absolutely no air visible at the top of the sight window when level, go for the syringe. Maybe a turkey baster and rubber hose would work. I have only a 50% successs rate trying to remove oil via the drain plug, once i managed it but the other time it only dripped slowly then gushed out together with the damn plug.

Ruari

Hi Larry,

I've noticed that european fuel is almost white compared to the more
yellow redish color of the fuel here while I don't know anything
about the consistency standard. My worry is that the bike will not
move for 11 months a year. I guess from what your saying that I might
not find stabilizers in Europe, a mechanic in the village there did
not even know what I was talking about when I mentioned it. I'll have
to ask around how to send it from here. Does anyone know how long the
stabilizer is good for, one, two, five years? Does it turn to varnish
at some point? Thanks for your input.

Robert

--- In W650riders@..., "larry.botheras@..."
<larry.botheras@...> wrote:

European fuel is manufactured to a more consistent standard than NA
fuel, and so Stabil type products aren't so apparent over here.

Our 5

or 6 of our eight bikes overwinter from Oct/Nov to Mar/Apr with

nothing

done to the gas, other than running the carbs out... (Change the

oil

etc) Never had an issue starting in the new year.






I will buy and store the bike in France, the winters there are not
very cold, it freezes a couple of times a year during the night but
always gets up above freezing during the day. The garage is

unheated.

I think the stabiliser is a good idea. In fact, I bought some in
Montreal to bring over there (could not find it in France) but
abandonned the idea since it is a flammable item and is not allowed
on planes.





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--- In W650riders@..., "nige_1959" <nigel.denton1@...>
wrote:

What was the camera?

The camera is a Sanyo Xacti CG6. It fits in my shirt pocket. Will
record over an hour on the memory chip I currently have.

Actually it was a Vincent single, amazing bike. Passed me on the
outside too.


--- In W650riders@..., "jv_roberts2000"
<jv_roberts2000@...> wrote:

Hmmmm......sounds like an SR500 Yamaha...

The chocks sound like a good idea.

Next question how do I remove oil without removing the sump plug? I
thought about using a syringe and a bit of flexy pipe...


--- In W650riders@..., "Ruari McLennan" <r.mclennan@...>
wrote:

Yeah, Nige, why don't you pop off the right side cover, pull out the
air filter, and have a keek into the right airbox with a torch to see
if there's any oil coating the inside? Also pull out the little
plug at the bottom of the rubber tube leading off the airbox, to see
if any oil drips out, should give you some idea if you're getting too
much up in there...

I would encourage you to put the bike on the centrestand on a level
surface with 16.5-17 mm. (11/16") thick chocks (bits of plank) under
the tires, and wait 'til it's cold, for accurate checking of the oil
level. Trying to do it off the stand or with a rider on is fraught
with difficulties (as well as moaning!) The slightest bit off-centre
gives a false read. As well, trying to check while the oil's hot
after a run is hopeless, it expands into the wrong chamber and gives
a "too full" false reading. I leave the bike on their chocks so when
it is cold the next day I check before starting off.

Ruari




--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@" <jonhaddock@>
w

I'm using Mobil 1 4T

At the moment I am using my RZ250, as the weather is so poor, the RZ
being a hack and the W being nice and shiney. So the RZ is getting
caned....and I mean caned! So much so that I have decided to get a
hack with a bit more performance, although I do have a 350 topend
that could go on the RZ...decisions...decisions...

--- In W650riders@..., "Mark Campbell" <scrubby64@...> wrote:

Nige,

What sort of oil are you using? A few years ago whilst on holiday in

Italy I

gave the W a day long thrash, in company with a 900 Ninja. We sat

for 450

miles, at 90/100 stopping only for petrol (Autostrada from

Frejuce(sp?) to

Anconna). Temp was 40 + C. I was using mineral oil and had checked

the level

the day before. The oil went from the top of the sight glass to

below the

minimum, gulp. Topped her up, and no harm done apparently. I have since
changed to synthetic, and she hasn't used any oil since...I wouldn't

worry

about being a jot over, just take her out and cane her, good &

proper....

Mark,

----- Original Message -----
From: "nige_1959" <nigel.denton1@...>
To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: [W650riders] Re: Oil level...

Oops...LOL...yeah your right I checked the chain with her sitting on
it, with her moaning, and checked the oil with her holding one side of
the bike, with her moaning. But yeah the bike was off the stand, on
our garage floor and upright.

it is a bit over so I am going to try and get some out using a syringe
and tubing.

--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@" <jonhaddock@>
wrote:

I don't think it is required to have a rider on. I suppose that's OK

if it

sags the same amount front and rear...

I checked the bike off the stand, with the missus sitting on it, and
the oil sight window is full, although I am pretty certain that the
oil is only just over the top of the sight window.

--- In W650riders@..., "Jonhaddock@" <jonhaddock@>
wrote:

Halfway up the window when the bike is dead level and upright. If

it is

overfull and you run at high speed it can blow oil vapour into the
airbox....but only a bit.

Mine doesn't seem to care!

Jon

Checked the oil level last night, I can see where there is a

little

mark showing 'low' level, but where is the mark to show high

level? my

oil fills the sight window, although it appears to be just
fractionally above the top of the window...seen by leaning

the bike

and then watching the window as I put the bike upright again.

So where

is the upper limit?



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Hi Mark,

Yes the W stays in France. I know i'll miss it when we're in Montreal
but to be on that bike in a so beautiful country will always be
something to look forward to. For instance, I just think of the very
winding road (read hairpins!) that goes on the south side of the Ste-
Victoire (Cézanne's mountain)into Aix-en-Provence, coming to it and
riding along this so impressive rocky mountain, what a joy! I'll find
a way of posting a few pics.

As for the gas tank, I'll keep it in mind once I get the W. Thanks

Robert

--- In W650riders@..., "Mark Campbell" <scrubby64@...>
wrote:

Robert,

Will you be keeping the W in France? You lucky, lucky man. I've had

a couple

of great biking holidays in the Languedoc, perfect W country. I

think the W

was invented for visiting Medieval towns and exploring

castles....anyway, as

for storage...I'd go for taking the tank off and draining it, this

will

allow you easy access to the plugs which I'd pull out, and give a

good

squirt of oil down the holes (replace plugs). Drain the carbs, and

then

store the tank indoors somewhere. The bike with no tank on is

easier

managed/covered, and less attractive to casual thieves........if

corrosion

could be a problem, you could try ACF 50 (which my local bike shop

now

keeps! hurrah!) Just spray it over everything...within reason (ok,

not the

brake disks/seat etc)...oh yeah, get both tyres off the ground if

you can,

ie centre, not side stand....

Keep us posted on your travels.....pictures involving

bikes/sunshine/Vin

Rouge/smelly cheese/crusty bread/pretty girls etc are always

welcome...

Mark,
N.Ireland (Pissing with rain, but hey, Fridays Fish & chip day!)
----- Original Message -----
From: "picka48" <lemieux.robert@...>
To: <W650riders@...>
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: [W650riders] Seeking advice on long-term storage

Hi all,

I have been with the group for about a year now and read a lot

about

the W650 on this forum and elsewhere. I thought of waiting until
retirement (4-5 years) to get one but now, after 2 years of

waiting,

I'm changing my tune and planning to get one next spring. I live

in

Montreal (Canada) but have a small apartment in South of France

where

my wife and I go for 5-6 weeks a year (that is until retirement,
after that it will be for 6 months a year (I hate the cold

winters)).

I keep a scooter there for our transportation and put it in

storage

for the rest of the year in my sister's garage nearby. I've

stored it

lifting it on blocks, with a full gas tank, the carburetor

drained,

injecting oil in the cylinder, plugging the exhaust pipe and

putting

the battery on a charger. I had absolutely no problems with it

when

starting it this spring, so again I've put it away in the same

manner

this year. From your experience, would that treatment be ok for a

W

or would the motorcycle deteriorate not being used more than that

(we

travel about 1000 km in those 5-6 weeks) for the next 4-5 years?
Would turning the motor over with the kick start a couple of times
during the winter help? Any other ideas? I would appreciate all

your

comments. Thanks. Robert




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What was the camera?

Hmmmm......sounds like an SR500 Yamaha...

Nice read.

Vernon

European fuel is manufactured to a more consistent standard than NA
fuel, and so Stabil type products aren't so apparent over here. Our 5
or 6 of our eight bikes overwinter from Oct/Nov to Mar/Apr with nothing
done to the gas, other than running the carbs out... (Change the oil
etc) Never had an issue starting in the new year.






I will buy and store the bike in France, the winters there are not
very cold, it freezes a couple of times a year during the night but
always gets up above freezing during the day. The garage is unheated.
I think the stabiliser is a good idea. In fact, I bought some in
Montreal to bring over there (could not find it in France) but
abandonned the idea since it is a flammable item and is not allowed
on planes.





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Well how clever....I guess if "Craig" didn't design a way to do it
within the system there's always a way to go around it.

Thanks!!
Vernon

Thanks Salvy,

I will certainly find a way to get the gas stabiliser for it, your
reaction and Ray's are convincing me it has to be done. Thanks

Robert

--- In W650riders@..., Salvyrider <salvyrider@...> wrote:

I second the vote for fuel stabilizer. SeaFoam or STA-BIL will do

the

trick. The important thing is that you run the bike once the

stabilizer is

mixed into the tank - to get it into all the nooks and crannies of

the

carburetors. Best to do this on the road so it goes into every

channel.

For a six-week sleep, I would not bother draining the carbs.

Keeping the

bowls wet with stabilized gas may be better than drying them but

that's just

my opinion.

You may also want to change the oil before the hibernation to start

with

fresh oil that won't go clotty on you. But this is probably

overkill.

For longer hibernations, you can oil the cylinders by

spraying "fog" oil

through the spark plug holes. This is sold in aerosol cans (pretty

common

around here because boat owners use it) but you could use any old

oil,

worked onto the cylinder walls by spinning or kicking the motor

briefly. In

addition to filling the tank, you may want to mix in a little 2-

cycle oil

into the fuel to prevent tank rust. This won't be necessary for a

short

seasonal break but I might do it for the six-month break just to be

on the

safe side. You just have to be watchful of fouled plugs once you

get her

running again.

I once pickled a bike for over 10 years using this technique and it

kept

both the tank and engine corrosion-free. (I changed the plugs after

running

the oil out of the system.)

Others will chime in but I don't think kicking the engine will be

necessary

once it's in storage. Good luck.


-S



On 7/5/07, Ray Ford <rif@...> wrote:

Hi Robert;

Will your W650 be stored in France, or Montreal?

I store my Dub in an unheated shed for about five months

of the

year,
using much the same technique as you employ with the scooter. But

I

like to ensure I've got fuel stabiliser throughout the fuel system
before retiring the bike.

Ray Ford.

Hi Ray,

I will buy and store the bike in France, the winters there are not
very cold, it freezes a couple of times a year during the night but
always gets up above freezing during the day. The garage is unheated.
I think the stabiliser is a good idea. In fact, I bought some in
Montreal to bring over there (could not find it in France) but
abandonned the idea since it is a flammable item and is not allowed
on planes. What I did though is empty about half the gas in the tank
and mixing the rest with new gas before starting the engine after
that long period. If someone would know where to get the stabiliser
in Europe (France preferrably), I would appreciate.

Robert

--- In W650riders@..., Ray Ford <rif@...> wrote:

Hi Robert;

Will your W650 be stored in France, or Montreal?

I store my Dub in an unheated shed for about five months of

the year,

using much the same technique as you employ with the scooter. But I
like to ensure I've got fuel stabiliser throughout the fuel system
before retiring the bike.

Ray Ford.


On 5-Jul-07, at 3:05 PM, picka48 wrote:

Hi all,

I have been with the group for about a year now and read a lot

about

the W650 on this forum and elsewhere. I thought of waiting until
retirement (4-5 years) to get one but now, after 2 years of

waiting,

I'm changing my tune and planning to get one next spring. I live

in

Montreal (Canada) but have a small apartment in South of France

where

my wife and I go for 5-6 weeks a year (that is until retirement,
after that it will be for 6 months a year (I hate the cold

winters)).

I keep a scooter there for our transportation and put it in

storage

for the rest of the year in my sister's garage nearby. I've

stored it

lifting it on blocks, with a full gas tank, the carburetor

drained,

injecting oil in the cylinder, plugging the exhaust pipe and

putting

the battery on a charger. I had absolutely no problems with it

when

starting it this spring, so again I've put it away in the same

manner

this year. From your experience, would that treatment be ok for

a W

or would the motorcycle deteriorate not being used more than

that (we

travel about 1000 km in those 5-6 weeks) for the next 4-5 years?
Would turning the motor over with the kick start a couple of

times

during the winter help? Any other ideas? I would appreciate all

your

comments. Thanks. Robert

W650 Riders,

I am switching over to a Gunfighter and Lady. I have a Gunfighter for
sale. It's in very good condition. I just bought the bike--but I
know that it was always stored covered...and in a garage. It's black
leather with an all black design.

It's yours for $100 plus shipping. They retail for $299.

Todd
St. Paul, MN

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Coomparing the Versys or ER6n with a W is like comparing a Ducati 996 with a HD Sporty

?

?

----Original Message----
From: jonhaddock@...
Date: 06/07/2007 11:55
To:
Subj: Re: [W650riders] Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition

The other point that most people miss is that it isn't the parallel twin bit
that makes the W650 so charismatic, it's the fact that it's a 360 degree
parallel twin...So all the bits are moving in the same direction at the same
time. That new bike, like the Ninja 650R, is a 180 degree...which is why it
can rev...

In my opinion there is no comparison between the two types of layout in
'feel' terms. Having ridden the old ER5 180 twin, it's 'just' a bike. Fairly
peppy, of course, a bit revvy, nice neutral handling and all that, but no
magic to the power delivery or feel.

The grunt from a W650 is partially down to the fact that both pistons rise
and fall together so the power pulses are garnished with a very heavy
'flywheel effect'. In a 180 twin, each power pulse has the other conrod
moving laterally in the opposite direction. It makes for a smoother motor,
which is why virtually all Honda twins of the '60's revved so high, but you
don't get that almost single cylinder type thump.

The other important thing about the W650 is that it is long stroke. You
can't rev a long stroke motor so fast because the pistons travel faster to
get to the top each time, but the longer conrods have to swing out further
as they go round the crank and that means there is more leverage for the
piston to push down onto...Which is why a W650 can pull effortlessly two-up
up a hill from 1200 rpm . The miracle is that with it's balancers and
brilliant materials it can rev and make reliable power to 8000rpm as well.

I'm not a fan of 180 degree motors. They feel anaesthetised and a bit like a
twin trying to hide it's 'twin-ness' and be a rather rough four.

Now a modern styled sports bike with a 360 degree motor...that would be a
nice GT bike...

Jon

> the front headlight half fairing thing looks like a mushroom or penis
> to me. Other than that its a solid bike, but its not a w650. the w650
> is a balanced work of art; u can ride it all day in the nastiest
> weather and still stare at its beauty when u get off it. I just
> started riding bikes last year and have already ridden over 12
> different kinds of bikes and each made me more love my w650. The only
> bike that i wish i owned (besides my w650) out of the 12 or so is the
> 2005 sportster 1200 roadster i rode. It would never replace my w650
> but the power and torque on that animal was amazing; i got off the
> sportster all frazzled like i got into a death cage with a bear. What
> the 1200r doesnt have that the w650 has is agility-- the w650 is easy
> to manuever and handles like a 300lb bike, its like paiting with
> classical musical when riding that bike around.
>
> Anyways sorry for the ramble.
>
> --- In W650riders@yahoogroups.com, "bufallobiff" .> wrote:
>>
>> ---I doubt if you see the W come back. I think values on W 650s will
>> start to go up and bringing more over will dampen that.
>> For what its' worth, Kawasaki is supposed to bring this to the
>> states in 2008. IT's got a lot of the Ninja 650R in it and if you're
>> a parallel twin fan, what's not to like?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In W650riders@yahoogroups.com, "John " wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > Ive started a petition to bring back the w650 - please sign it
>> here:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Here's one of the posting i've put on craigslist about this
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Please tell all your friends and family about this
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>>
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The other point that most people miss is that it isn't the parallel twin bit that makes the W650 so charismatic, it's the fact that it's a 360 degree parallel twin...So all the bits are moving in the same direction at the same time. That new bike, like the Ninja 650R, is a 180 degree...which is why it can rev...

In my opinion there is no comparison between the two types of layout in 'feel' terms. Having ridden the old ER5 180 twin, it's 'just' a bike. Fairly peppy, of course, a bit revvy, nice neutral handling and all that, but no magic to the power delivery or feel.

The grunt from a W650 is partially down to the fact that both pistons rise and fall together so the power pulses are garnished with a very heavy 'flywheel effect'. In a 180 twin, each power pulse has the other conrod moving laterally in the opposite direction. It makes for a smoother motor, which is why virtually all Honda twins of the '60's revved so high, but you don't get that almost single cylinder type thump.

The other important thing about the W650 is that it is long stroke. You can't rev a long stroke motor so fast because the pistons travel faster to get to the top each time, but the longer conrods have to swing out further as they go round the crank and that means there is more leverage for the piston to push down onto...Which is why a W650 can pull effortlessly two-up up a hill from 1200 rpm . The miracle is that with it's balancers and brilliant materials it can rev and make reliable power to 8000rpm as well.

I'm not a fan of 180 degree motors. They feel anaesthetised and a bit like a twin trying to hide it's 'twin-ness' and be a rather rough four.

Now a modern styled sports bike with a 360 degree motor...that would be a nice GT bike...

Jon

Robert,

Will you be keeping the W in France? You lucky, lucky man. I've had a couple of great biking holidays in the Languedoc, perfect W country. I think the W was invented for visiting Medieval towns and exploring castles....anyway, as for storage...I'd go for taking the tank off and draining it, this will allow you easy access to the plugs which I'd pull out, and give a good squirt of oil down the holes (replace plugs). Drain the carbs, and then store the tank indoors somewhere. The bike with no tank on is easier managed/covered, and less attractive to casual thieves........if corrosion could be a problem, you could try ACF 50 (which my local bike shop now keeps! hurrah!) Just spray it over everything...within reason (ok, not the brake disks/seat etc)...oh yeah, get both tyres off the ground if you can, ie centre, not side stand....

Keep us posted on your travels.....pictures involving bikes/sunshine/Vin Rouge/smelly cheese/crusty bread/pretty girls etc are always welcome...

Mark,
N.Ireland (Pissing with rain, but hey, Fridays Fish & chip day!)