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Re: bring back the w650 to the us - Petition


 

The other point that most people miss is that it isn't the parallel twin bit that makes the W650 so charismatic, it's the fact that it's a 360 degree parallel twin...So all the bits are moving in the same direction at the same time. That new bike, like the Ninja 650R, is a 180 degree...which is why it can rev...

In my opinion there is no comparison between the two types of layout in 'feel' terms. Having ridden the old ER5 180 twin, it's 'just' a bike. Fairly peppy, of course, a bit revvy, nice neutral handling and all that, but no magic to the power delivery or feel.

The grunt from a W650 is partially down to the fact that both pistons rise and fall together so the power pulses are garnished with a very heavy 'flywheel effect'. In a 180 twin, each power pulse has the other conrod moving laterally in the opposite direction. It makes for a smoother motor, which is why virtually all Honda twins of the '60's revved so high, but you don't get that almost single cylinder type thump.

The other important thing about the W650 is that it is long stroke. You can't rev a long stroke motor so fast because the pistons travel faster to get to the top each time, but the longer conrods have to swing out further as they go round the crank and that means there is more leverage for the piston to push down onto...Which is why a W650 can pull effortlessly two-up up a hill from 1200 rpm . The miracle is that with it's balancers and brilliant materials it can rev and make reliable power to 8000rpm as well.

I'm not a fan of 180 degree motors. They feel anaesthetised and a bit like a twin trying to hide it's 'twin-ness' and be a rather rough four.

Now a modern styled sports bike with a 360 degree motor...that would be a nice GT bike...

Jon

the front headlight half fairing thing looks like a mushroom or penis
to me. Other than that its a solid bike, but its not a w650. the w650
is a balanced work of art; u can ride it all day in the nastiest
weather and still stare at its beauty when u get off it. I just
started riding bikes last year and have already ridden over 12
different kinds of bikes and each made me more love my w650. The only
bike that i wish i owned (besides my w650) out of the 12 or so is the
2005 sportster 1200 roadster i rode. It would never replace my w650
but the power and torque on that animal was amazing; i got off the
sportster all frazzled like i got into a death cage with a bear. What
the 1200r doesnt have that the w650 has is agility-- the w650 is easy
to manuever and handles like a 300lb bike, its like paiting with
classical musical when riding that bike around.

Anyways sorry for the ramble.

--- In W650riders@..., "bufallobiff" <mschuder@...> wrote:

---I doubt if you see the W come back. I think values on W 650s will
start to go up and bringing more over will dampen that.
For what its' worth, Kawasaki is supposed to bring this to the
states in 2008. IT's got a lot of the Ninja 650R in it and if you're
a parallel twin fan, what's not to like?









In W650riders@..., "John " <schnozejt@> wrote:

Hello all,

Ive started a petition to bring back the w650 - please sign it
here:



Here's one of the posting i've put on craigslist about this



Please tell all your friends and family about this

Thanks



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