Re: Cast Iron DB200 Headstock Riser
?I have found this seller to be very helpful, contact him he sometimes has stuff for sale that is not listed on his web site.
https://www.tomstoolstore.com
Jeff
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From: Frank In PA <polliof@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, Mar 27, 2023 3:47 pm
Subject: [Unimat] Cast Iron DB200 Headstock Riser
Hello, This is my first post. I have an older cast iron DB 200 Lathe and want to raise the headstock for turning larger diameter work, also to allow more reach when used as a vertical mill. After spending some time browsing through the Forum I found some information that states a Two Hole Clamping Bolt and Spacer was offered some time after original production started. The Part Number was DB 1310. I have searched around but cannot seem to locate one for sale at this time. My question is does anyone have drawings or dimensions to make one from scratch? It looks like the through holes are tapered to allow tension when tightened by the screw. There is a drawing for this screw and shows an included angle of 25.4 deg. Even if I were going to make one, that internal angle is not standard and cannot figure out at this point how to bore it. Possibly a custom made taper reamer? The spacer is pretty straight forward and I think a later alloy one would work and they seem to be more avalible, or just make one. Thank You,Frank
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Cast Iron DB200 Headstock Riser
Hello, This is my first post. I have an older cast iron DB 200 Lathe and want to raise the headstock for turning larger diameter work, also to allow more reach when used as a vertical mill. After spending some time browsing through the Forum I found some information that states a Two Hole Clamping Bolt and Spacer was offered some time after original production started. The Part Number was DB 1310. I have searched around but cannot seem to locate one for sale at this time. My question is does anyone have drawings or dimensions to make one from scratch? It looks like the through holes are tapered to allow tension when tightened by the screw. There is a drawing for this screw and shows an included angle of 25.4 deg. Even if I were going to make one, that internal angle is not standard and cannot figure out at this point how to bore it. Possibly a custom made taper reamer? The spacer is pretty straight forward and I think a later alloy one would work and they seem to be more avalible, or just make one. Thank You,Frank
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Re: Old and 'new' thread cutting atachment
So what do you want for it? I'm gearing up to reproduce some Unimat parts. Mostly for my own use, but also planning on making dimensioned drawings.
Or would you consider loaning it out long enough to get the drawings made?
Bill in OKC
William R. Meyers, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)
Aphorisms to live by: Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement.? SEMPER GUMBY!
Expect in one hand, expectorate in the other. See which one gets full first.
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 11:51:05 PM CDT, james Pineda via groups.io <james_h_pineda@...> wrote:
Jeff, Yes, the hammered gray, round shouldered version is the older model. It's cast iron and considerably heavier. I've have both and have the newer model in my to sell pile.
James
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 05:39:01 PM PDT, Jkle379184 via groups.io <jkle379184@...> wrote:
The old one is the one in the Gray Hammered paint?
? Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Ruben <groen.drenthe@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, Mar 27, 2023 7:22 pm
Subject: [Unimat] Old and 'new' thread cutting atachment
I didn't know, but there are 2 versions of thread cutting atachments for the unimat's.
The old one came in today and maybe interesting to see them side by side.
The old one is staying and the 'new' model is leaving.
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Re: Mert Baker¡¯s Unimat Theading Method
I made a setup to try.     It workt for the collet chuck that sits here on te unimat with a M10 - 1.5 thread in the 3-chuck. But M6 - 1.0 thread was not a succes, not enough grip so it slips.
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Re: Old and 'new' thread cutting atachment
I did, but already new the answer.
Iron is 3x aluminium in weight.
It is aluminium.
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Re: Rustoleum Green Hammered
Many of the paints in these discussions are not in the US.
I have searched here and I am finding only Rustoleum and Kryon in hammered for US.? The only can is Rustoleum.? There is a Behr, Home Depot, hammered, but it seems to make a pitted finish.? So I must repeat myself.? There is no available color tint mix formula for Unimat green that anyone is able to tell me.
I have attached a photo of 2 Unimats with color samples of Benjamin Moore house paint.? I think that the 2 in middle, 482 & 593, are the closest color tone.? If anyone can ever find a way to make a hammered blend, at least these will indicate what goes in.? You can get the actual samples at the hardware store.? Also, if you search Benjamin Moore 482, the color will come up on your screen.??
Home Depot still has some hammered silver cans on sale.
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Re: Old and 'new' thread cutting atachment
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Re: Mert Baker¡¯s Unimat Theading Method
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Re: Mert Baker¡¯s Unimat Theading Method
Thank you, Carl!
I want do some experimenting with this method to see how well this works and how handy it is to use. I would like to also design something in CAD that can be standardized with interchangeable components.
It¡¯s the Tool Designer in me driving this idea. I can¡¯t help it.
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Re: Mert Baker¡¯s Unimat Theading Method
Dick
?It has been years, but from what I can remember he used a nut and threaded rod. As the lathe turned, it threaded the two together and moved the cutter the correct amount. He used store bought parts for a cheap set up. I miss his posts.
I did a web search Unimat Mert Thread nut and found this
/g/Unimat/topic/unimat_threading/57583664?p=
And that led to a search in the group's file section for "Doug Collinge"
And here is his PDF on it.
/g/Unimat/filessearch?p=name%2C%2C%2C20%2C1%2C0%2C0&q=Doug+Collinge
?Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: OldToolmaker via groups.io <old_toolmaker@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Tue, Mar 28, 2023 9:40 am
Subject: [Unimat] Mert Baker¡¯s Unimat Theading Method
Several years ago Mert described a method of threading on the Unimat using a threaded ¡°Leader¡± and a threaded shaft as a follower.
Can anyone direct me to that information?
Thanks,
Dick
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Re: Mert Baker¡¯s Unimat Theading Method
Hello
Dick:
I'm
sure it is in the files, but the concept is simple.
Mount a
chuck where the pulley is, the threads are M12x1. Put a rod
with the pitch you need, any diameter will work.
Use a
bracket to mount a nut on the rod. Leave the quill unlocked so
as the spindle turns it advances with the threaded rod.
It is
best if you can include a crank on the end of the threaded rod
so you can crank the part back and forth as you advance the
threading tool.
This
set up is good for 25mm of thread at a time, and then you can
move the threading tool for more length. Use the carriage to
"re-time" the tool to the thread.
Good
luck, Carl.
On 3/28/2023 9:40 AM, OldToolmaker via
groups.io wrote:
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Several years ago Mert described a method of threading on the
Unimat using a threaded ¡°Leader¡± and a threaded shaft as a
follower.
Can anyone direct me to that information?
Thanks,
Dick
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Mert Baker¡¯s Unimat Theading Method
Several years ago Mert described a method of threading on the Unimat using a threaded ¡°Leader¡± and a threaded shaft as a follower.
Can anyone direct me to that information?
Thanks,
Dick
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Re: Old and 'new' thread cutting atachment
I had not seen the earlier version before, it looks very well built. I have two of the later style and they work great. Great find.
?Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: james Pineda via groups.io <james_h_pineda@...>
To: [email protected] < [email protected]>
Sent: Tue, Mar 28, 2023 12:50 am
Subject: Re: [Unimat] Old and 'new' thread cutting atachment
Jeff,
Yes, the hammered gray, round shouldered version is the older model. It's cast iron and considerably heavier. I've have both and have the newer model in my to sell pile.
James
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 05:39:01 PM PDT, Jkle379184 via groups.io <jkle379184@...> wrote:
The old one is the one in the Gray Hammered paint?
? Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Ruben <groen.drenthe@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, Mar 27, 2023 7:22 pm
Subject: [Unimat] Old and 'new' thread cutting atachment
I didn't know, but there are 2 versions of thread cutting atachments for the unimat's.
The old one came in today and maybe interesting to see them side by side.
The old one is staying and the 'new' model is leaving.
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Re: Old and 'new' thread cutting atachment
Yes, the grey one is the first version. But I think it is aluminium also.
The new set weigh 960 gram and the old set 1180 gram. (I borrowed the spring plus a missing ring from the new set to compleet the old set)
The old one has more mass as the pictures shows. That's where the difference come from.
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Re: Old and 'new' thread cutting atachment
Jeff, Yes, the hammered gray, round shouldered version is the older model. It's cast iron and considerably heavier. I've have both and have the newer model in my to sell pile.
James
On Monday, March 27, 2023 at 05:39:01 PM PDT, Jkle379184 via groups.io <jkle379184@...> wrote:
The old one is the one in the Gray Hammered paint?
? Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Ruben <groen.drenthe@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, Mar 27, 2023 7:22 pm
Subject: [Unimat] Old and 'new' thread cutting atachment
I didn't know, but there are 2 versions of thread cutting atachments for the unimat's.
The old one came in today and maybe interesting to see them side by side.
The old one is staying and the 'new' model is leaving.
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Re: Old and 'new' thread cutting atachment
The old one is the one in the Gray Hammered paint?
? Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Ruben <groen.drenthe@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Mon, Mar 27, 2023 7:22 pm
Subject: [Unimat] Old and 'new' thread cutting atachment
I didn't know, but there are 2 versions of thread cutting atachments for the unimat's.
The old one came in today and maybe interesting to see them side by side.
The old one is staying and the 'new' model is leaving.
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Old and 'new' thread cutting atachment
I didn't know, but there are 2 versions of thread cutting atachments for the unimat's. The old one came in today and maybe interesting to see them side by side. The old one is staying and the 'new' model is leaving.   
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Re: Rustoleum Green Hammered
Nice link
https://www.garagejournal.com/forum/threads/hammered-paint-in-a-custom-color.474021/
and then from there to here where he matches the old SK tool boxes Hammered green.
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Jkle379184 via groups.io <jkle379184@...>
To: [email protected] < [email protected]>
Sent: Mon, Mar 27, 2023 1:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Unimat] Rustoleum Green Hammered
SW and Benjamin Moore both can mix Rosemary green. How about asking them what color and what percent is going into the mix and then checking to see what Rust-oLeum has in Hammer colors and see if you can mix it yourself. How about try lightening up the Rust-oleum Dark green with a little bit of their silver hammered paint?
?Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Jkle379184 via groups.io <jkle379184@...>
To: [email protected] < [email protected]>
Sent: Mon, Mar 27, 2023 1:36 pm
Subject: Re: [Unimat] Rustoleum Green Hammered
?If you go back and read the replies, you will note that one thing stands out, They people who have more then one Unimat all noted that the color does vary a bit between units. I have seen this many times, it can vary from a slight yellow to a slight blue tint in it.? So that means that you are not going to be able to do a touch up. But you will have to total repaint. So who cares if the color is not a "exact" match. I doubt the factory did a "exact" match through all of the years of production. Get something close or paint it what color you like and enjoy it. The Golden Grail Rust-o-leum paint is very close on a couple of my Unimats and not so close on two others. So at best you can only hope to match it to the lathe that you have.?
?The OEM paint used some nasty stuff in it. The Rust-o-leum also used some nasty stuff. Stuff that is getting harder and harder to find. SW is probably fading out using paint with Toulene in it, just like it is getting harder to find real oil based enamels.? If that is the case they you will have to find a old store with a old experienced paint mixer to make it for you.?
?Take time to search the web for Hammered paint, there are options out, they are not cheap or fast. But there are many posts about it. You may have to mix up a lot of paint before you can get what you want, but it can be done. Have you contacted a Sign Shop, they tend to be experts on matching paint colors.
?
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hutnick <johnhutnick@...>
To: Jkle379184 <jkle379184@...>; [email protected]
Sent: Mon, Mar 27, 2023 12:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Unimat] Rustoleum Green Hammered
I am not driving all over NJ and PA to interview paint stores.? So far, 4 commercial SW, including one in person, have said that they cannot do it.? Again the story is that somehow this local friendly paint store does the job.? If this is the case, someone can tell me take Rustoleum Hammered Silver, add a certain proportion of specific tint(s), and that will be the color.? So far, in all of this talk, no one has identified the magic formula? ?if I go to the hardware store for Benjamin Moore wall paint, they will mix certain colors to get a specific green.? The can label tells me what.? Go and look at the SW site, and you can find a huge number of paints that they can mix.? ?
What do we have for our Unimats hammered paint?? Nothing.?
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Re: Rustoleum Green Hammered
SW and Benjamin Moore both can mix Rosemary green. How about asking them what color and what percent is going into the mix and then checking to see what Rust-oLeum has in Hammer colors and see if you can mix it yourself. How about try lightening up the Rust-oleum Dark green with a little bit of their silver hammered paint?
-----Original Message-----
From: Jkle379184 via groups.io <jkle379184@...>
To: [email protected] < [email protected]>
Sent: Mon, Mar 27, 2023 1:36 pm
Subject: Re: [Unimat] Rustoleum Green Hammered
?If you go back and read the replies, you will note that one thing stands out, They people who have more then one Unimat all noted that the color does vary a bit between units. I have seen this many times, it can vary from a slight yellow to a slight blue tint in it.? So that means that you are not going to be able to do a touch up. But you will have to total repaint. So who cares if the color is not a "exact" match. I doubt the factory did a "exact" match through all of the years of production. Get something close or paint it what color you like and enjoy it. The Golden Grail Rust-o-leum paint is very close on a couple of my Unimats and not so close on two others. So at best you can only hope to match it to the lathe that you have.?
?The OEM paint used some nasty stuff in it. The Rust-o-leum also used some nasty stuff. Stuff that is getting harder and harder to find. SW is probably fading out using paint with Toulene in it, just like it is getting harder to find real oil based enamels.? If that is the case they you will have to find a old store with a old experienced paint mixer to make it for you.?
?Take time to search the web for Hammered paint, there are options out, they are not cheap or fast. But there are many posts about it. You may have to mix up a lot of paint before you can get what you want, but it can be done. Have you contacted a Sign Shop, they tend to be experts on matching paint colors.
?
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hutnick <johnhutnick@...>
To: Jkle379184 <jkle379184@...>; [email protected]
Sent: Mon, Mar 27, 2023 12:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Unimat] Rustoleum Green Hammered
I am not driving all over NJ and PA to interview paint stores.? So far, 4 commercial SW, including one in person, have said that they cannot do it.? Again the story is that somehow this local friendly paint store does the job.? If this is the case, someone can tell me take Rustoleum Hammered Silver, add a certain proportion of specific tint(s), and that will be the color.? So far, in all of this talk, no one has identified the magic formula? ?if I go to the hardware store for Benjamin Moore wall paint, they will mix certain colors to get a specific green.? The can label tells me what.? Go and look at the SW site, and you can find a huge number of paints that they can mix.? ?
What do we have for our Unimats hammered paint?? Nothing.?
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Re: Rustoleum Green Hammered
?If you go back and read the replies, you will note that one thing stands out, They people who have more then one Unimat all noted that the color does vary a bit between units. I have seen this many times, it can vary from a slight yellow to a slight blue tint in it.? So that means that you are not going to be able to do a touch up. But you will have to total repaint. So who cares if the color is not a "exact" match. I doubt the factory did a "exact" match through all of the years of production. Get something close or paint it what color you like and enjoy it. The Golden Grail Rust-o-leum paint is very close on a couple of my Unimats and not so close on two others. So at best you can only hope to match it to the lathe that you have.?
?The OEM paint used some nasty stuff in it. The Rust-o-leum also used some nasty stuff. Stuff that is getting harder and harder to find. SW is probably fading out using paint with Toulene in it, just like it is getting harder to find real oil based enamels.? If that is the case they you will have to find a old store with a old experienced paint mixer to make it for you.?
?Take time to search the web for Hammered paint, there are options out, they are not cheap or fast. But there are many posts about it. You may have to mix up a lot of paint before you can get what you want, but it can be done. Have you contacted a Sign Shop, they tend to be experts on matching paint colors.
?
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hutnick <johnhutnick@...>
To: Jkle379184 <jkle379184@...>; [email protected]
Sent: Mon, Mar 27, 2023 12:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Unimat] Rustoleum Green Hammered
I am not driving all over NJ and PA to interview paint stores.? So far, 4 commercial SW, including one in person, have said that they cannot do it.? Again the story is that somehow this local friendly paint store does the job.? If this is the case, someone can tell me take Rustoleum Hammered Silver, add a certain proportion of specific tint(s), and that will be the color.? So far, in all of this talk, no one has identified the magic formula? ?if I go to the hardware store for Benjamin Moore wall paint, they will mix certain colors to get a specific green.? The can label tells me what.? Go and look at the SW site, and you can find a huge number of paints that they can mix.? ?
What do we have for our Unimats hammered paint?? Nothing.?
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Bill in OKC too
Ruben
OldToolmaker
Carl