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Re: Yaesu FTM-400DR & UIVIEW SETTINGS

 

Stephen WA8LMF wrote�

Yaesu's "C4FM" is a proprietary format entangled
in licensing issues.
Are you sure about the word proprietary? I thought it was just the AMBE chip that was licensed. When does the AMBE patent run out?

PS - if you don’t like the term C4FM, you could just call it System Fusion.There’s a lot more to the FTM-400 than not being able to send data to the TNC.

The FTM-400 is a dream to use. C4FM (OK, System Fusion!) sounds a lot better than D-STAR. If the BER nudges upwards a bit, you might hear a few ripples, or miss a word. You won’t lose sentences like D-STAR. OK� we don’t have the equivalent of D-RATS yet!

There are limits, but it is surprising how weak a C4FM (sorry) signal can be and still be crystal clear as long as there aren’t drop-outs in the signal or multi-path distortion.

Being able to send and receive text messages and colour pictures is kinda nice. Every digital transmission includes your call sign, and your position if you have it enabled. It can of course control WIRES-X nodes and DR-2X repeaters too if you update the firmware. In my opinion it is the best APRS Radio other than not being able to send data to the TNC. It is a dream to enter text (digital or APRS) messages from the on-screen keyboard. The colour screen us absolutely gorgeous and many functions can be controlled from the touch screen. Seeing full-screen colour pictures is pretty hard to not like. Pictures definitely low resolution if you download the card onto a PC for the high resolution screen, but they are the perfect resolution for the FTM-400 screen. Group Monitor is a nice way to keep track of a group of stations. I could go on, but the FTM-500 will be even better!

--
73 Keith VE7GDH
“I may be lost, but I know exactly where I am!�


Re: Yaesu FTM-400DR & UIVIEW SETTINGS

 

On 12/28/2017 3:22 PM, 'Jerry N7YGE' n7yge@... [ui-view] wrote:
None of the manufacturers can get it right. The radios that have an onboard
GPS cannot be seen by APRS programs so you have to attach a separate GPS. I
had a D72A and sold it thinking Kenwood’s new Tribander D74 would do the job.
The biggest drawback was the D74 is D-Star and not C4FM. Guess Icom has more
pull with Kenwood than Yaesu at this date.
I don't think it's "pull".   Yaesu's "C4FM"  is a proprietary format entangled
in licensing issues.    The D-Star format is theoretically an open format. 
Although to date, only Icom has made a major push for the format, anyone else
is free to adopt it as well.

I always gag at Yaesu's use of the term "C4FM" to describe their digital radio
format, since it only refers to the basic 4-frequency FSK modulation format
that underlies many other digital radio formats (Tetra, DMR, P25 Phase 1, etc)
as well -  it's the binary data transmitted over this modulation format that
differs. [Note that I like the Yaesu format, but it's a dumb name for it.]

Interesting backstory to the D-Star format:    Originally, it was developed by
the JEIA (Japan Electronics Industry Assn) for commercial land mobile and
public safety use as an alternative to formats like Tetra and DMR.   The JEIA
then allowed JARL (the Japan Amateur Radio League) to promote it in the ham
bands as a way to "beta-test" the protocol before releasing it in the
commercial land-mobile market.    In the amateur world, only Icom bit, and
D-Star never caught on in the commercial land-mobile market.  (Too much
competition from DMR, Tetra, P25, etc ??  Especially when the "big M" never
bought into it...)

Since D-Star has had zero commercial acceptance, you never see it in Chinese
"universal" VHF and UHF transceivers aimed at both ham and commercial markets.
These radios are always analog FM and/or DMR. DMR, a.k.a. "MotoTurbo" in North
America, is probably the most-used digital radio format world-wide.


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Stephen H. Smith    wa8lmf (at) aol.com
Skype:        WA8LMF
EchoLink:  Node #  14400  [Think bottom of the 2-meter band]
Home Page:         

Live Off-The-Air APRS Activity Maps
   <>

Long-Range APRS on 30 Meters HF
   <>


Re: Yaesu FTM-400DR & UIVIEW SETTINGS

 

None of the manufacturers can get it right. The radios that have an onboard GPS cannot be seen by APRS programs so you have to attach a separate GPS. I had a D72A and sold it thinking Kenwood’s new Tribander D74 would do the job. The biggest drawback was the D74 is D-Star and not C4FM. Guess Icom has more pull with Kenwood than Yaesu at this date. I am waiting for a radio that will never be built that will allow the APRS program to use the GPS in the radio and also has C4FM. I went back to my D7(g) and an external GPS. I sold the D72A before prices fell due to the D74 coming out.

I have for 15 or more years tried to get an APRS HT with maps and messaging on a screen. I now have all the components and turn n the 3D printer to house all the components. Use a Winbook, UI-View, D7(g), GPS, and Weego battery pack.



In the old days I had this setup using a Dell Axim X3 PDA, APRSCE/APRSGO, and a external GPS. Maps were the only issue with the APRSCE program back them and the author got burnt out updating the program; was pending using OSM Maps.

A APRS HT like this could be handed out by FEMA during catastrophic events. If the TNC buffer were large enough, this unit could also do Packet/Winlink Express also. What a tool to have in support of emergency radio.



Jerry N7YGE



From: ui-view@... [mailto:ui-view@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 11:24 AM
To: ui-view@...
Subject: Re: [UI-View] Yaesu FTM-400DR & UIVIEW SETTINGS





Geez Steve,
Don't talk like that on a Yaesu group or you'll be stoned to deatha blasphemer.
Many moons ago while we were waiting between the D7A(g) and the D72a, Yaesu came out with the VX8R. I pointed out the shortcomingsof that rig setup and the closed TNC and those Yaesu fanboys had a conniption. Besides the KW shortcomings you point out, I believeKW "did it right" much better than Yaesu. Though the FTM has a fancy dancy color display the OP will have to decide whether or not he "really" wants the Fusion stuff and live with the hobbledAPRS performance or go with a KW with the more plain Janedisplay (but better APRS capability).
Kurt KC9LDH-

On 12/27/2017 8:24 PM, kb1dni@... [ui-view] wrote:


I am considering purchasing a Yaesu FTM-400DR to use with UIVIEW and wondered
if anyone is using this radio with UIVIEW and what settings they are using on
UIVIEW.


I thought I might want to add the fusion digital seeing I have DSTAR and DMR
already.


Thanks!
73 de KB1DNI
This radio, along with many other Yaesu APRS radios, shares what I consider a
fatal design flaw for APRS operation. It works fine in standalone APRS
operation, but unlike the Kenwood APRS radios, does NOT offer full and
unfettered access to it's internal TNC from external devices and computers. A
basic ASCII receive monitor stream is available from the radio's, COM port
--but-- there is NO ability to TRANSMIT anything on APRS from an external
computer.

This reduces UIview to only a passive receive-only monitoring/mapping mode.
There is no way to do messaging (which obviously requires TX). There is no way
to transmit objects. (The radio's internal APRS functions can transmit your own
position.) Due to the lack of transmit and KISS mode, UIview definitely cannot
use it's digipeater or two-way igate functions.

Since the internal GPS does not echo it's readings out the COM port to , you
will have to use a second EXTERNAL GPS receiver connected directly to the PC
with UIview. [This is a maddening limitation shared with the Kenwood APRS
radios. The Kenwood D710 and D72 will pass the GPS data from an EXTERNAL GPS
receiver connected to the radio out the radio's main com port along with
received APRS data. They WILL NOT echo out data from the INTERNAL GPS device.]

----------------------------------------------------------
Stephen H. Smith wa8lmf (at) aol.com
Skype: WA8LMF
EchoLink: Node # 14400 [Think bottom of the 2-meter band]
Home Page:

Live Off-The-Air APRS Activity Maps
<>

Long-Range APRS on 30 Meters HF
<>







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Re: Yaesu FTM-400DR & UIVIEW SETTINGS

 

Geez Steve,
  Don't talk like that on a Yaesu group or you'll be stoned to deatha blasphemer.
   Many moons ago while we were waiting between the D7A(g) and the D72a, Yaesu came out with the VX8R.  I pointed out the shortcomingsof that rig setup and the closed TNC and those Yaesu fanboys had a conniption.  Besides the KW shortcomings you point out, I believeKW "did it right" much better than Yaesu.  Though the FTM has a fancy dancy color display the OP will have to decide whether or not he "really" wants the Fusion stuff and live with the hobbledAPRS performance or go with a KW with the more plain Janedisplay (but better APRS capability).
Kurt KC9LDH-

On 12/27/2017 8:24 PM, kb1dni@... [ui-view] wrote:



I am considering purchasing a Yaesu FTM-400DR to use with UIVIEW and wondered
if anyone is using this radio with UIVIEW and what settings they are using on
UIVIEW.


I thought I might want to add the fusion digital seeing I have DSTAR and DMR
already.


Thanks!
73 de KB1DNI
This radio, along with many other Yaesu APRS radios, shares what I consider a
fatal design flaw for APRS operation.  It works fine in standalone APRS
operation,  but unlike the Kenwood APRS radios, does NOT offer full and
unfettered access to it's internal TNC from external devices and computers.   A
basic ASCII receive monitor stream is available from the radio's, COM port 
--but--  there is NO ability to TRANSMIT anything on APRS from an external
computer.

This reduces UIview to only a passive receive-only monitoring/mapping mode. 
There is no way to do messaging (which obviously requires TX). There is no way
to transmit objects. (The radio's internal APRS functions can transmit your own
position.) Due to the lack of transmit and KISS mode,  UIview definitely cannot
use it's digipeater or two-way igate functions.

Since the internal GPS does not echo it's readings out the COM port to , you
will have to use a second EXTERNAL GPS receiver connected directly to the PC
with UIview.    [This is a maddening limitation shared with the Kenwood APRS
radios.   The Kenwood D710 and D72 will pass the GPS data from an EXTERNAL GPS
receiver connected to the radio out the radio's main com port along with
received APRS data. They WILL NOT echo out data from the INTERNAL GPS device.]

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Stephen H. Smith    wa8lmf (at) aol.com
Skype:        WA8LMF
EchoLink:  Node #  14400  [Think bottom of the 2-meter band]
Home Page:         

Live Off-The-Air APRS Activity Maps
   <>

Long-Range APRS on 30 Meters HF
   <>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Yaesu FTM-400DR & UIVIEW SETTINGS

 

On 12/27/2017 8:24 PM, kb1dni@... [ui-view] wrote:

I am considering purchasing a Yaesu FTM-400DR to use with UIVIEW and wondered
if anyone is using this radio with UIVIEW and what settings they are using on
UIVIEW.


I thought I might want to add the fusion digital seeing I have DSTAR and DMR
already.


Thanks!
73 de KB1DNI
This radio, along with many other Yaesu APRS radios, shares what I consider a
fatal design flaw for APRS operation.� It works fine in standalone APRS
operation,� but unlike the Kenwood APRS radios, does NOT offer full and
unfettered access to it's internal TNC from external devices and computers. A
basic ASCII receive monitor stream is available from the radio's, COM port�
--but--� there is NO ability to TRANSMIT anything on APRS from an external
computer.

This reduces UIview to only a passive receive-only monitoring/mapping mode.�
There is no way to do messaging (which obviously requires TX). There is no way
to transmit objects. (The radio's internal APRS functions can transmit your own
position.) Due to the lack of transmit and KISS mode,� UIview definitely cannot
use it's digipeater or two-way igate functions.

Since the internal GPS does not echo it's readings out the COM port to , you
will have to use a second EXTERNAL GPS receiver connected directly to the PC
with UIview.� [This is a maddening limitation shared with the Kenwood APRS
radios. The Kenwood D710 and D72 will pass the GPS data from an EXTERNAL GPS
receiver connected to the radio out the radio's main com port along with
received APRS data. They WILL NOT echo out data from the INTERNAL GPS device.]

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Stephen H. Smith� wa8lmf (at) aol.com
Skype:� WA8LMF
EchoLink:� Node #� 14400� [Think bottom of the 2-meter band]
Home Page:�

Live Off-The-Air APRS Activity Maps
<>

Long-Range APRS on 30 Meters HF
<>



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: Yaesu FTM-400DR & UIVIEW SETTINGS

 

KB1DNI wrote...

I am considering purchasing a Yaesu FTM-400DR to
use with UI-View...
The FTM-400 is a very nice radio, for voice (FM & C4FM)
as well as send and receive text messages & pictures in
C4FM, and as a stand-alone APRS radio. Just keep in mind
that it will be receive only sending data to UI-View. You
can't have UI-View send to RF on the FTM-400 unless you
add an external TNC. In many ways, it is the most deluxe
radio that I have ever used, but connected to a computer,
data from the TNC will be one way.

--
73 Keith VE7GDH
"I may be lost, but I know exactly where I am!?


Yaesu FTM-400DR & UIVIEW SETTINGS

 

I am considering purchasing a Yaesu FTM-400DR to use with UIVIEW and wondered if anyone is using this radio with UIVIEW and what settings they are using on UIVIEW.


I thought I might want to add the fusion digital seeing I have DSTAR and DMR already.


Thanks!
73 de KB1DNI


Re: It's Baaack BPL - Broadband Over Powerlines

 

Here is an additional article on the technology. Still not clear if they are using the power lines to transport the signals, nor what the frequency range it is using.







Monty Wilson, NR0A

jwilson16@...



From: ui-view@... [mailto:ui-view@...]
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2017 10:11 AM
To: UIview List <ui-view@...>
Subject: [UI-View] It's Baaack BPL - Broadband Over Powerlines





Reuters - December 13, 2017 / 12:14 AM

AT&T begins testing high-speed internet over power lines

NEW YORK (Reuters) - AT&T Inc has started trials in Georgia state and a
non-U.S. location to deliver high-speed internet over power lines, the No. 2
wireless carrier said on Wednesday, marking its latest push to offer faster
broadband service to more customers.

AT&T aims to eventually deliver speeds faster than the 1 gigabit per second
consumers can currently get through fiber internet service using high-frequency
airwaves that travel along power lines.

Full story here:

<>







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Re: It's Baaack BPL - Broadband Over Powerlines

 

Remember it is a two way issue---stuff coming out will interfere with
radio and our Tx radio will interfere going "in" to disrupt the data. 
Just like what happens now with UVERSE dtat coming down the telephone
line in the 7MHz range.

On 12/14/17 11:42 AM, Keith VE7GDH ve7gdh@... [ui-view] wrote:

Stephen WA8LMF wrote...

AT&T begins testing high-speed internet over power lines
Is it expected that it will be hammering any amateur
frequencies with interference? I seem to recall that
BPL was a hot topic a few years ago. Hopefully there
are sensible and enforced limits on what it is allowed
to "leak".

--
73 Keith VE7GDH
"I may be lost, but I know exactly where I am!"



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Re: It's Baaack BPL - Broadband Over Powerlines

 

They failed to get Uverse working well over existing telephone lines so
now they will muck-up something else.  The only reason 1GB is the limit
isn't because of the fiber technology---its the providers.

On 12/14/17 11:11 AM, 'Stephen H. Smith' wa8lmf@... [ui-view] wrote:

Reuters   - December 13, 2017 / 12:14 AM

AT&T begins testing high-speed internet over power lines

NEW YORK (Reuters) - AT&T Inc has started trials in Georgia state and a
non-U.S. location to deliver high-speed internet over power lines, the
No. 2
wireless carrier said on Wednesday, marking its latest push to offer
faster
broadband service to more customers.

AT&T aims to eventually deliver speeds faster than the 1 gigabit per
second
consumers can currently get through fiber internet service using
high-frequency
airwaves that travel along power lines.

Full story here:

<>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: It's Baaack BPL - Broadband Over Powerlines

 

Stephen WA8LMF wrote...

AT&T begins testing high-speed internet over power lines
Is it expected that it will be hammering any amateur
frequencies with interference? I seem to recall that
BPL was a hot topic a few years ago. Hopefully there
are sensible and enforced limits on what it is allowed
to "leak".

--
73 Keith VE7GDH
"I may be lost, but I know exactly where I am!"


It's Baaack BPL - Broadband Over Powerlines

 

Reuters   - December 13, 2017 / 12:14 AM


AT&T begins testing high-speed internet over power lines

NEW YORK (Reuters) - AT&T Inc has started trials in Georgia state and a
non-U.S. location to deliver high-speed internet over power lines, the No. 2
wireless carrier said on Wednesday, marking its latest push to offer faster
broadband service to more customers.

AT&T aims to eventually deliver speeds faster than the 1 gigabit per second
consumers can currently get through fiber internet service using high-frequency
airwaves that travel along power lines.

Full story here:

<>





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Re: UI-View32 Registration

 

Thanks a bunch, I have it now...


Re: UI-View32 Registration

 

John W4JML wrote...

Can someone please direct me to the right place
to get UI-View registrared...
If you go to the UI-View web site
and click on REGISTRATION, it will take you further down
the page where you can click on a link to...



Click on the Union Flag below UI-View registration for
English. There you can enter your name and call sign and
click on REGISTER. Come back later to retrieve the
registration number.

--
73 Keith VE7GDH
"I may be lost, but I know exactly where I am!"


UI-View32 Registration

 

Can someone please direct me to the right place to get UI-View registrared...


Thanks
John - W4JML


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Re: Map coverage for Alaska?

 

On 11/19/2017 1:53 PM, rbrand@... [ui-view] wrote:

Is it possible to obtain the full version somewhere? Does YAAC work better?
Any other options?

Thanks, Randy KL4RB

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Precision Mapping is no longer available commercially.� However, it has been
seen from time to time on the Bit Torrent file-sharing networks where a� 3.5GB
file containing an ISO image of the DVD-ROM can be (sometimes) downloaded.

Download and install the useful search tool "Torrrent Rover" from
<> to search multiple torrent index sites
simultaneously.� (You will also need a torrent download client such as
"uTorrent" or "Tixati" to do the actual download.)

Copies of Precision Mapping 9.0, installed from ANY DVD or DVD ISO image, �
can still be activated via the on-line "RegisterMyApp" website.� Currently this
site is still available, but even if it disappears, you can still use Precision
Mapping with UIview WITHOUT activation.

It turns out that the activation process is only required to use the
stand-alone Precision Mapping program. (UIview and the PMap Server 9 plugin
only use Precision Mapping's data base and one DLL component; not the main
program.)


Further, static (fixed non-zooming) maps, like the Precision Mapping screen
caps I emailed you earlier, can be had from a variety of sources, and used with
UIview. A useful tool for capping maps from Google Maps, Microsoft Bing and
many other sources, as fixed map images,� is "Universal Maps Downloader". �
This Windows program can download dozens (or hundreds) of� adjacent map tiles
from these websites and automatically stitch them together into much larger map
images.� Full details are in this review on my website:

<>

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Stephen H. Smith� wa8lmf (at) aol.com
Skype:� WA8LMF
EchoLink:� Node #� 14400� [Think bottom of the 2-meter band]
Home Page:�

Live Off-The-Air APRS Activity Maps
<>

Long-Range APRS on 30 Meters HF
<>




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Re: Map coverage for Alaska?

 

Randy KL4RB wrote...

Is it possible to obtain the full version somewhere?
Unfortunately, Precision Mapping isn't sold any more.
Many hams purchased it while it was available though.

Does YAAC work better? Any other options?
This is the UI-View support list. I would recommend
asking about it over on the YAAC support group.

--
73 Keith VE7GDH
"I may be lost, but I know exactly where I am!"


Re: Map coverage for Alaska?

 

Is it possible to obtain the full version somewhere? Does YAAC work better? Any other options?

Thanks, Randy KL4RB