Re: Micro Track AIO reprograming
Thanks! My house here in Napa is in escrow, and we are getting an apartment in Union, MO, while we house-hount in Washington, MO. One thing about the area is that many or most homes seem to be associated with HOA's...Joining an HOA is about as repugnant to me as joining the Nazi Party and becoming a multi-level marketer....But maybe they are not as bad as California's HOA's, where War Criminals can generaly find employment...If they don't let me put up antennas, I will be in deep Kimchee. Remember the Twilight zone episode where the fake St. Peter won't let the guy into heaven with his dog? (Because it was actually hell) I guess that will be my litmus test! I will be retiring from my Private Investigative business in California. I doubt they need what I do there very much in Washington, Missouri! But I plan to keep working with Byon and Byonis until I die of old age!?
Most of the questionable returns and repairs around the shop have either been thrown away or packed up...this means they are going to be living in PODS until I find a new shop. Stay in touch and I will let you know if I find anything in the bins when I set back up. Anything special you are looking for? I am glad you like your new AIO! I am pretty happy with the new version, and so far, no one has burst into flames frome standing too close to it when they run at "full military power" ( 20-ish Watts) Maybe I need to make a 30 Watt version :)
73,
Allen AF6OF
On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 07:45:43 AM PST, Robert AD6XJ <91710robert@...> wrote:
Good luck with your move Allen. If you come across some gear that is a bit less than retail quality that you don't want to drag cross country let us know. I love the AIO you sold me (and all the TT3s, the RTG, and the as yet unused TT4 I have purchased previously) and am always looking for a good deal on something I can tinker with.
? I too gripe about California, even though I worked for the State of Confusion for 35 years and have since retired from them/that/there. 79¡ã here yesterday (Jan. 26) after spending WFD in Barstow at 40¡ã-- I'm not moving to a cold place! Best wishes to you and yours Allen!
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Re: Micro Track AIO reprograming
Good luck with your move Allen. If you come across some gear that is a bit less than retail quality that you don't want to drag cross country let us know. I love the AIO you sold me (and all the TT3s, the RTG, and the as yet unused TT4 I have purchased previously) and am always looking for a good deal on something I can tinker with.
? I too gripe about California, even though I worked for the State of Confusion for 35 years and have since retired from them/that/there. 79¡ã here yesterday (Jan. 26) after spending WFD in Barstow at 40¡ã-- I'm not moving to a cold place! Best wishes to you and yours Allen!
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Re: Micro Track AIO reprograming
Nothing that you guys didn't mention, mostly operator error.?
1. I was using the wrong driver for the cable. 2. I tried to use my good old RealTerm software with the Trippel Esc protocol. 3. It was set to full power with weak batteries. 4. The program was set up for very frequent "arping."?
Thank goodness its antenna wasn't broken!
73, and thanks again.
Joe, N7IV? ?
On Sun, 28 Jan, 2024 at 10:36 AM, vhsproducts via groups.io <vhsproducts@...> wrote: ?
Joe,
Just out of curiousity, what was the issue? At any rate, I am glad your old unit is back in service!?
73,
Allen AF6OF
On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:35:19 PM PST, Joe N7IV < ferrara@...> wrote:
Thanks! ?It¡¯s up and working like new. ?There were multiple issues and you folks named all of them.
73,
On Jan 24, 2024, at 11:09 AM, vhsproducts via < vhsproducts@...> wrote:
What he said! Some TT3's and some old AIO's use a PIC16F644. Newer versions use a PIC16F1827. The newer chips are drop-in compatible with older gear, but not the other way around, as the 644 used a 10MHZ resonator to control it's clock. The 1827 PIC's use a Byonics bootloader that will let you install new firmware ( Even if it is not compatible with your hardware) Like the WX, Tinypack, etc, and any firmware/software updates that may come along.?
73,
Allen AF6OF
On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 08:34:06 AM PST, Rob Giuliano via < kb8rco@...> wrote:
Sounds like either a power issue or RF issue which is causing the unit to constantly reset. Two things to try here: ?? Connect to a dummy load and see if the behavior changes.?? ?????? For these brief transmissions, you could probably get away with a 2W 50 ohm resistor,? ?????????? but 2x 2W 100 ohm would be better.?
?? Make sure your power supply has enough voltage and current
I don't have an MT-AIO, but I have used "surrogate" equipment to make changes to settings when there appears to be a hardware issue.? I recommend asking Allen or Byon about the specific equipment you plan to use as a "surrogate".
The 3 most important things: 1. Make sure the "surrogate" equipment uses the EXACT same chip. ??? Power ground, etc. match
2. Make sure the serial interfaces match (if the serial pins are different). ??? Make sure the computer cable connects to pins 2 (Tx) and 3 (Rx w/ voltage divider) of the chip in both cases.
3. Make sure you use the configuration software that matches the chip and not the "surrogate" hardware.
BECAUSE of these 3 things, I will repeat: I recommend asking Allen or Byon about the "specific equipment" you plan to use as a "surrogate".
On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 11:03:38 AM EST, Joe N7IV < ferrara@...> wrote:
Allen,
Thanks for the great advice!? That all made sense.? I downloaded (and installed) the proper driver and program from Byonics.? Then I wiggled/pushed the plug quite a bit.? Still no joy.??
This unit was bought by one of our club members (W0OVX) at a hamfest and when Bob couldn't make it play, he donated it to one of our club's silent auctions.? ?John (AB0KZ) bought it.? He couldn't make it play and brought it to me for a cure.? YIKES!?
I'm beginning to wonder if its sickness might require more than reprograming.? When turned on, it transmits cyclically every second (or so).? When I used the scope on my IC-9700 to look at its signal, I found that it's not transmitting an APRS packet at all.? It just keys the transmitter, generates a wide key-click, returns to receive, and repeats.? So, I'm thinking that it may be more than a programming and communication issue.? In any case, it didn't work.
Unless you tell me it's a dumb idea, I'm going to pull the chip from the unit and drop it into an unused TT3.? Then I'll connect the TT3 and read the chip using my standard com port/null modem to see if the chip is the root of all evil.? At the very least, I can make sure that it's programmed properly and then attack any remaining problems.?
Best Wishes and thanks for your help... Like I said, you made sense!
Joe, N7IV? ? ?
On Tue, 23 Jan, 2024 at 5:02 PM, vhsproducts via < vhsproducts@...> wrote: ?
Joe,
You cannot program the MT-AIO with a terminal program; you will need to use the TT3 config program:?? Also, you will need to download and install the Prolifics USB Drivers from the Byonics website to use that USB programming cable. Other Prolifics drivers, and Windows Versions older than 10 may require a great deal of heartache and tears. One of the most common difficulties with configuring the AIO is that the serial jack's on units that have not been used a fair bit, may be very tight. Make sure you push the plug in firmly, even having the plug a tiny bit out of battery can deny your serial connection.
73,
Allen AF6OF
On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 02:53:58 PM PST, Joe N7IV < ferrara@...> wrote:
I¡¯m working with an older version of the micro trak AIO (version 1.4.4 on circuit board) trying to change the callsign in its program using ¡°Real Term,¡± and I have a failure to communicate.?
I¡¯ve been using the stereo plug to USB adaptor that came with unit.? I¡¯ve identified the proper com port, set the baud rate at 19,200, and turned flow control off.? When I turn on the unit, and hit ESC thrice, no joy.? I¡¯ve not had this problem with either TT3s or TT4s.?
What am I doing wrong?
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Re: Micro Track AIO reprograming
Joe,
Just out of curiousity, what was the issue? At any rate, I am glad your old unit is back in service!?
73,
Allen AF6OF
On Saturday, January 27, 2024 at 10:35:19 PM PST, Joe N7IV <ferrara@...> wrote:
Thanks! ?It¡¯s up and working like new. ?There were multiple issues and you folks named all of them.
73,
On Jan 24, 2024, at 11:09 AM, vhsproducts via < vhsproducts@...> wrote:
What he said! Some TT3's and some old AIO's use a PIC16F644. Newer versions use a PIC16F1827. The newer chips are drop-in compatible with older gear, but not the other way around, as the 644 used a 10MHZ resonator to control it's clock. The 1827 PIC's use a Byonics bootloader that will let you install new firmware ( Even if it is not compatible with your hardware) Like the WX, Tinypack, etc, and any firmware/software updates that may come along.?
73,
Allen AF6OF
On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 08:34:06 AM PST, Rob Giuliano via < kb8rco@...> wrote:
Sounds like either a power issue or RF issue which is causing the unit to constantly reset. Two things to try here: ?? Connect to a dummy load and see if the behavior changes.?? ?????? For these brief transmissions, you could probably get away with a 2W 50 ohm resistor,? ?????????? but 2x 2W 100 ohm would be better.?
?? Make sure your power supply has enough voltage and current
I don't have an MT-AIO, but I have used "surrogate" equipment to make changes to settings when there appears to be a hardware issue.? I recommend asking Allen or Byon about the specific equipment you plan to use as a "surrogate".
The 3 most important things: 1. Make sure the "surrogate" equipment uses the EXACT same chip. ??? Power ground, etc. match
2. Make sure the serial interfaces match (if the serial pins are different). ??? Make sure the computer cable connects to pins 2 (Tx) and 3 (Rx w/ voltage divider) of the chip in both cases.
3. Make sure you use the configuration software that matches the chip and not the "surrogate" hardware.
BECAUSE of these 3 things, I will repeat: I recommend asking Allen or Byon about the "specific equipment" you plan to use as a "surrogate".
On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 11:03:38 AM EST, Joe N7IV < ferrara@...> wrote:
Allen,
Thanks for the great advice!? That all made sense.? I downloaded (and installed) the proper driver and program from Byonics.? Then I wiggled/pushed the plug quite a bit.? Still no joy.??
This unit was bought by one of our club members (W0OVX) at a hamfest and when Bob couldn't make it play, he donated it to one of our club's silent auctions.? ?John (AB0KZ) bought it.? He couldn't make it play and brought it to me for a cure.? YIKES!?
I'm beginning to wonder if its sickness might require more than reprograming.? When turned on, it transmits cyclically every second (or so).? When I used the scope on my IC-9700 to look at its signal, I found that it's not transmitting an APRS packet at all.? It just keys the transmitter, generates a wide key-click, returns to receive, and repeats.? So, I'm thinking that it may be more than a programming and communication issue.? In any case, it didn't work.
Unless you tell me it's a dumb idea, I'm going to pull the chip from the unit and drop it into an unused TT3.? Then I'll connect the TT3 and read the chip using my standard com port/null modem to see if the chip is the root of all evil.? At the very least, I can make sure that it's programmed properly and then attack any remaining problems.?
Best Wishes and thanks for your help... Like I said, you made sense!
Joe, N7IV? ? ?
On Tue, 23 Jan, 2024 at 5:02 PM, vhsproducts via < vhsproducts@...> wrote: ?
Joe,
You cannot program the MT-AIO with a terminal program; you will need to use the TT3 config program:?? Also, you will need to download and install the Prolifics USB Drivers from the Byonics website to use that USB programming cable. Other Prolifics drivers, and Windows Versions older than 10 may require a great deal of heartache and tears. One of the most common difficulties with configuring the AIO is that the serial jack's on units that have not been used a fair bit, may be very tight. Make sure you push the plug in firmly, even having the plug a tiny bit out of battery can deny your serial connection.
73,
Allen AF6OF
On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 02:53:58 PM PST, Joe N7IV < ferrara@...> wrote:
I¡¯m working with an older version of the micro trak AIO (version 1.4.4 on circuit board) trying to change the callsign in its program using ¡°Real Term,¡± and I have a failure to communicate.?
I¡¯ve been using the stereo plug to USB adaptor that came with unit.? I¡¯ve identified the proper com port, set the baud rate at 19,200, and turned flow control off.? When I turn on the unit, and hit ESC thrice, no joy.? I¡¯ve not had this problem with either TT3s or TT4s.?
What am I doing wrong?
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Re: Micro Track AIO reprograming
Thanks! ?It¡¯s up and working like new. ?There were multiple issues and you folks named all of them.
73,
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On Jan 24, 2024, at 11:09 AM, vhsproducts via < vhsproducts@...> wrote:
What he said! Some TT3's and some old AIO's use a PIC16F644. Newer versions use a PIC16F1827. The newer chips are drop-in compatible with older gear, but not the other way around, as the 644 used a 10MHZ resonator to control it's clock. The 1827 PIC's use a Byonics bootloader that will let you install new firmware ( Even if it is not compatible with your hardware) Like the WX, Tinypack, etc, and any firmware/software updates that may come along.?
73,
Allen AF6OF
On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 08:34:06 AM PST, Rob Giuliano via < kb8rco@...> wrote:
Sounds like either a power issue or RF issue which is causing the unit to constantly reset. Two things to try here: ?? Connect to a dummy load and see if the behavior changes.?? ?????? For these brief transmissions, you could probably get away with a 2W 50 ohm resistor,? ?????????? but 2x 2W 100 ohm would be better.?
?? Make sure your power supply has enough voltage and current
I don't have an MT-AIO, but I have used "surrogate" equipment to make changes to settings when there appears to be a hardware issue.? I recommend asking Allen or Byon about the specific equipment you plan to use as a "surrogate".
The 3 most important things: 1. Make sure the "surrogate" equipment uses the EXACT same chip. ??? Power ground, etc. match
2. Make sure the serial interfaces match (if the serial pins are different). ??? Make sure the computer cable connects to pins 2 (Tx) and 3 (Rx w/ voltage divider) of the chip in both cases.
3. Make sure you use the configuration software that matches the chip and not the "surrogate" hardware.
BECAUSE of these 3 things, I will repeat: I recommend asking Allen or Byon about the "specific equipment" you plan to use as a "surrogate".
On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 11:03:38 AM EST, Joe N7IV < ferrara@...> wrote:
Allen,
Thanks for the great advice!? That all made sense.? I downloaded (and installed) the proper driver and program from Byonics.? Then I wiggled/pushed the plug quite a bit.? Still no joy.??
This unit was bought by one of our club members (W0OVX) at a hamfest and when Bob couldn't make it play, he donated it to one of our club's silent auctions.? ?John (AB0KZ) bought it.? He couldn't make it play and brought it to me for a cure.? YIKES!?
I'm beginning to wonder if its sickness might require more than reprograming.? When turned on, it transmits cyclically every second (or so).? When I used the scope on my IC-9700 to look at its signal, I found that it's not transmitting an APRS packet at all.? It just keys the transmitter, generates a wide key-click, returns to receive, and repeats.? So, I'm thinking that it may be more than a programming and communication issue.? In any case, it didn't work.
Unless you tell me it's a dumb idea, I'm going to pull the chip from the unit and drop it into an unused TT3.? Then I'll connect the TT3 and read the chip using my standard com port/null modem to see if the chip is the root of all evil.? At the very least, I can make sure that it's programmed properly and then attack any remaining problems.?
Best Wishes and thanks for your help... Like I said, you made sense!
Joe, N7IV? ? ?
On Tue, 23 Jan, 2024 at 5:02 PM, vhsproducts via < vhsproducts@...> wrote: ?
Joe,
You cannot program the MT-AIO with a terminal program; you will need to use the TT3 config program:?? Also, you will need to download and install the Prolifics USB Drivers from the Byonics website to use that USB programming cable. Other Prolifics drivers, and Windows Versions older than 10 may require a great deal of heartache and tears. One of the most common difficulties with configuring the AIO is that the serial jack's on units that have not been used a fair bit, may be very tight. Make sure you push the plug in firmly, even having the plug a tiny bit out of battery can deny your serial connection.
73,
Allen AF6OF
On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 02:53:58 PM PST, Joe N7IV < ferrara@...> wrote:
I¡¯m working with an older version of the micro trak AIO (version 1.4.4 on circuit board) trying to change the callsign in its program using ¡°Real Term,¡± and I have a failure to communicate.?
I¡¯ve been using the stereo plug to USB adaptor that came with unit.? I¡¯ve identified the proper com port, set the baud rate at 19,200, and turned flow control off.? When I turn on the unit, and hit ESC thrice, no joy.? I¡¯ve not had this problem with either TT3s or TT4s.?
What am I doing wrong?
|
Re: Micro Track AIO reprograming
What he said! Some TT3's and some old AIO's use a PIC16F644. Newer versions use a PIC16F1827. The newer chips are drop-in compatible with older gear, but not the other way around, as the 644 used a 10MHZ resonator to control it's clock. The 1827 PIC's use a Byonics bootloader that will let you install new firmware ( Even if it is not compatible with your hardware) Like the WX, Tinypack, etc, and any firmware/software updates that may come along.?
73,
Allen AF6OF
On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 08:34:06 AM PST, Rob Giuliano via groups.io <kb8rco@...> wrote:
Sounds like either a power issue or RF issue which is causing the unit to constantly reset. Two things to try here: ?? Connect to a dummy load and see if the behavior changes.?? ?????? For these brief transmissions, you could probably get away with a 2W 50 ohm resistor,? ?????????? but 2x 2W 100 ohm would be better.?
?? Make sure your power supply has enough voltage and current
I don't have an MT-AIO, but I have used "surrogate" equipment to make changes to settings when there appears to be a hardware issue.? I recommend asking Allen or Byon about the specific equipment you plan to use as a "surrogate".
The 3 most important things: 1. Make sure the "surrogate" equipment uses the EXACT same chip. ??? Power ground, etc. match
2. Make sure the serial interfaces match (if the serial pins are different). ??? Make sure the computer cable connects to pins 2 (Tx) and 3 (Rx w/ voltage divider) of the chip in both cases.
3. Make sure you use the configuration software that matches the chip and not the "surrogate" hardware.
BECAUSE of these 3 things, I will repeat: I recommend asking Allen or Byon about the "specific equipment" you plan to use as a "surrogate".
On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 11:03:38 AM EST, Joe N7IV <ferrara@...> wrote:
Allen,
Thanks for the great advice!? That all made sense.? I downloaded (and installed) the proper driver and program from Byonics.? Then I wiggled/pushed the plug quite a bit.? Still no joy.??
This unit was bought by one of our club members (W0OVX) at a hamfest and when Bob couldn't make it play, he donated it to one of our club's silent auctions.? ?John (AB0KZ) bought it.? He couldn't make it play and brought it to me for a cure.? YIKES!?
I'm beginning to wonder if its sickness might require more than reprograming.? When turned on, it transmits cyclically every second (or so).? When I used the scope on my IC-9700 to look at its signal, I found that it's not transmitting an APRS packet at all.? It just keys the transmitter, generates a wide key-click, returns to receive, and repeats.? So, I'm thinking that it may be more than a programming and communication issue.? In any case, it didn't work.
Unless you tell me it's a dumb idea, I'm going to pull the chip from the unit and drop it into an unused TT3.? Then I'll connect the TT3 and read the chip using my standard com port/null modem to see if the chip is the root of all evil.? At the very least, I can make sure that it's programmed properly and then attack any remaining problems.?
Best Wishes and thanks for your help... Like I said, you made sense!
Joe, N7IV? ? ?
On Tue, 23 Jan, 2024 at 5:02 PM, vhsproducts via groups.io <vhsproducts@...> wrote: ?
Joe,
You cannot program the MT-AIO with a terminal program; you will need to use the TT3 config program:?? Also, you will need to download and install the Prolifics USB Drivers from the Byonics website to use that USB programming cable. Other Prolifics drivers, and Windows Versions older than 10 may require a great deal of heartache and tears. One of the most common difficulties with configuring the AIO is that the serial jack's on units that have not been used a fair bit, may be very tight. Make sure you push the plug in firmly, even having the plug a tiny bit out of battery can deny your serial connection.
73,
Allen AF6OF
On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 02:53:58 PM PST, Joe N7IV < ferrara@...> wrote:
I¡¯m working with an older version of the micro trak AIO (version 1.4.4 on circuit board) trying to change the callsign in its program using ¡°Real Term,¡± and I have a failure to communicate.?
I¡¯ve been using the stereo plug to USB adaptor that came with unit.? I¡¯ve identified the proper com port, set the baud rate at 19,200, and turned flow control off.? When I turn on the unit, and hit ESC thrice, no joy.? I¡¯ve not had this problem with either TT3s or TT4s.?
What am I doing wrong?
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Re: Micro Track AIO reprograming
Joe,
There is no problem replanting the PIC in a TT3 to try to configure it. If I understand your statement about the function of the unit, and it transmits about once per second after powering it on, the most likely problem is high SWR. Typically, this can happen when someone swings the unit around like a cat from it's tail, and the right angle SMA antenna connector breaks internally. Its still screwed to the Pelican case, but the internal connection is broken or intermittent. The easiest test for this is to turn the PWR ( power) control trimmer all the way off (CCW) which will prevent the amplifier from making enough power to make the unit reset due to excessive SWR. If you measure across the center conductor of the SMA connector to it's ground shield, you should see a 10K resistance. This is the static bleeder resistor there to protect the MOSFET amplifier.?
I, like many others, am actively working to sell my home and defect from California to the Midwest. If you don't mind waiting until I have an address for you to send the unit in my new location, I will be happy to test your AIO when my shop gear catches up to me in March.?
73,
Allen AF6OF
On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 08:03:38 AM PST, Joe N7IV <ferrara@...> wrote:
Allen,
Thanks for the great advice!? That all made sense.? I downloaded (and installed) the proper driver and program from Byonics.? Then I wiggled/pushed the plug quite a bit.? Still no joy.??
This unit was bought by one of our club members (W0OVX) at a hamfest and when Bob couldn't make it play, he donated it to one of our club's silent auctions.? ?John (AB0KZ) bought it.? He couldn't make it play and brought it to me for a cure.? YIKES!?
I'm beginning to wonder if its sickness might require more than reprograming.? When turned on, it transmits cyclically every second (or so).? When I used the scope on my IC-9700 to look at its signal, I found that it's not transmitting an APRS packet at all.? It just keys the transmitter, generates a wide key-click, returns to receive, and repeats.? So, I'm thinking that it may be more than a programming and communication issue.? In any case, it didn't work.
Unless you tell me it's a dumb idea, I'm going to pull the chip from the unit and drop it into an unused TT3.? Then I'll connect the TT3 and read the chip using my standard com port/null modem to see if the chip is the root of all evil.? At the very least, I can make sure that it's programmed properly and then attack any remaining problems.?
Best Wishes and thanks for your help... Like I said, you made sense!
Joe, N7IV? ? ?
On Tue, 23 Jan, 2024 at 5:02 PM, vhsproducts via groups.io <vhsproducts@...> wrote: ?
Joe,
You cannot program the MT-AIO with a terminal program; you will need to use the TT3 config program:?? Also, you will need to download and install the Prolifics USB Drivers from the Byonics website to use that USB programming cable. Other Prolifics drivers, and Windows Versions older than 10 may require a great deal of heartache and tears. One of the most common difficulties with configuring the AIO is that the serial jack's on units that have not been used a fair bit, may be very tight. Make sure you push the plug in firmly, even having the plug a tiny bit out of battery can deny your serial connection.
73,
Allen AF6OF
On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 02:53:58 PM PST, Joe N7IV < ferrara@...> wrote:
I¡¯m working with an older version of the micro trak AIO (version 1.4.4 on circuit board) trying to change the callsign in its program using ¡°Real Term,¡± and I have a failure to communicate.?
I¡¯ve been using the stereo plug to USB adaptor that came with unit.? I¡¯ve identified the proper com port, set the baud rate at 19,200, and turned flow control off.? When I turn on the unit, and hit ESC thrice, no joy.? I¡¯ve not had this problem with either TT3s or TT4s.?
What am I doing wrong?
|
Re: Micro Track AIO reprograming
Sounds like either a power issue or RF issue which is causing the unit to constantly reset. Two things to try here: ?? Connect to a dummy load and see if the behavior changes.?? ?????? For these brief transmissions, you could probably get away with a 2W 50 ohm resistor,? ?????????? but 2x 2W 100 ohm would be better.?
?? Make sure your power supply has enough voltage and current
I don't have an MT-AIO, but I have used "surrogate" equipment to make changes to settings when there appears to be a hardware issue.? I recommend asking Allen or Byon about the specific equipment you plan to use as a "surrogate".
The 3 most important things: 1. Make sure the "surrogate" equipment uses the EXACT same chip. ??? Power ground, etc. match
2. Make sure the serial interfaces match (if the serial pins are different). ??? Make sure the computer cable connects to pins 2 (Tx) and 3 (Rx w/ voltage divider) of the chip in both cases.
3. Make sure you use the configuration software that matches the chip and not the "surrogate" hardware.
BECAUSE of these 3 things, I will repeat: I recommend asking Allen or Byon about the "specific equipment" you plan to use as a "surrogate".
On Wednesday, January 24, 2024 at 11:03:38 AM EST, Joe N7IV <ferrara@...> wrote:
Allen,
Thanks for the great advice!? That all made sense.? I downloaded (and installed) the proper driver and program from Byonics.? Then I wiggled/pushed the plug quite a bit.? Still no joy.??
This unit was bought by one of our club members (W0OVX) at a hamfest and when Bob couldn't make it play, he donated it to one of our club's silent auctions.? ?John (AB0KZ) bought it.? He couldn't make it play and brought it to me for a cure.? YIKES!?
I'm beginning to wonder if its sickness might require more than reprograming.? When turned on, it transmits cyclically every second (or so).? When I used the scope on my IC-9700 to look at its signal, I found that it's not transmitting an APRS packet at all.? It just keys the transmitter, generates a wide key-click, returns to receive, and repeats.? So, I'm thinking that it may be more than a programming and communication issue.? In any case, it didn't work.
Unless you tell me it's a dumb idea, I'm going to pull the chip from the unit and drop it into an unused TT3.? Then I'll connect the TT3 and read the chip using my standard com port/null modem to see if the chip is the root of all evil.? At the very least, I can make sure that it's programmed properly and then attack any remaining problems.?
Best Wishes and thanks for your help... Like I said, you made sense!
Joe, N7IV? ? ?
On Tue, 23 Jan, 2024 at 5:02 PM, vhsproducts via groups.io <vhsproducts@...> wrote: ?
Joe,
You cannot program the MT-AIO with a terminal program; you will need to use the TT3 config program:?? Also, you will need to download and install the Prolifics USB Drivers from the Byonics website to use that USB programming cable. Other Prolifics drivers, and Windows Versions older than 10 may require a great deal of heartache and tears. One of the most common difficulties with configuring the AIO is that the serial jack's on units that have not been used a fair bit, may be very tight. Make sure you push the plug in firmly, even having the plug a tiny bit out of battery can deny your serial connection.
73,
Allen AF6OF
On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 02:53:58 PM PST, Joe N7IV < ferrara@...> wrote:
I¡¯m working with an older version of the micro trak AIO (version 1.4.4 on circuit board) trying to change the callsign in its program using ¡°Real Term,¡± and I have a failure to communicate.?
I¡¯ve been using the stereo plug to USB adaptor that came with unit.? I¡¯ve identified the proper com port, set the baud rate at 19,200, and turned flow control off.? When I turn on the unit, and hit ESC thrice, no joy.? I¡¯ve not had this problem with either TT3s or TT4s.?
What am I doing wrong?
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Re: Micro Track AIO reprograming
Allen,
Thanks for the great advice!? That all made sense.? I downloaded (and installed) the proper driver and program from Byonics.? Then I wiggled/pushed the plug quite a bit.? Still no joy.??
This unit was bought by one of our club members (W0OVX) at a hamfest and when Bob couldn't make it play, he donated it to one of our club's silent auctions.? ?John (AB0KZ) bought it.? He couldn't make it play and brought it to me for a cure.? YIKES!?
I'm beginning to wonder if its sickness might require more than reprograming.? When turned on, it transmits cyclically every second (or so).? When I used the scope on my IC-9700 to look at its signal, I found that it's not transmitting an APRS packet at all.? It just keys the transmitter, generates a wide key-click, returns to receive, and repeats.? So, I'm thinking that it may be more than a programming and communication issue.? In any case, it didn't work.
Unless you tell me it's a dumb idea, I'm going to pull the chip from the unit and drop it into an unused TT3.? Then I'll connect the TT3 and read the chip using my standard com port/null modem to see if the chip is the root of all evil.? At the very least, I can make sure that it's programmed properly and then attack any remaining problems.?
Best Wishes and thanks for your help... Like I said, you made sense!
Joe, N7IV? ? ?
On Tue, 23 Jan, 2024 at 5:02 PM, vhsproducts via groups.io <vhsproducts@...> wrote: ?
Joe,
You cannot program the MT-AIO with a terminal program; you will need to use the TT3 config program:?? Also, you will need to download and install the Prolifics USB Drivers from the Byonics website to use that USB programming cable. Other Prolifics drivers, and Windows Versions older than 10 may require a great deal of heartache and tears. One of the most common difficulties with configuring the AIO is that the serial jack's on units that have not been used a fair bit, may be very tight. Make sure you push the plug in firmly, even having the plug a tiny bit out of battery can deny your serial connection.
73,
Allen AF6OF
On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 02:53:58 PM PST, Joe N7IV < ferrara@...> wrote:
I¡¯m working with an older version of the micro trak AIO (version 1.4.4 on circuit board) trying to change the callsign in its program using ¡°Real Term,¡± and I have a failure to communicate.?
I¡¯ve been using the stereo plug to USB adaptor that came with unit.? I¡¯ve identified the proper com port, set the baud rate at 19,200, and turned flow control off.? When I turn on the unit, and hit ESC thrice, no joy.? I¡¯ve not had this problem with either TT3s or TT4s.?
What am I doing wrong?
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Re: Can I use a TT4 for both, replacing the TT3? (was AIO reprogramming)
There is a version of thr TT3 with firmware setup for Peet and other weather stations. I'm using it with a Baofang for our Club's weather station. It has been running for at least 5 years. It's powered by our solar system and drives an antenna
on the top of a 185 foot tower. The antenna height is what is the big point for having a digipeater.
Appreciate the response re the TT4. I guess I just needed my memory reinforced.?
Tnx,
Old Hal. K6DPL?
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The TT4 is capable of both DIGI and Wx functions - you even acknowledge you had one doing that at your home station.
The only question is that is Wx Trax?? Is it a computer software package or a Wx station device?
I did an internet search and only "Wax Trax" or WxTrack showed up.
The next question would be whether the club station would have a computer attached - or stand alone.
I would guess stand alone as there is no need for a computer for the functions you are working with - UNLESS Wx Trax is a computer app.
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Rob Giuliano
KB8RCO
On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 06:54 PM, <halgreid@...> wrote:
Guys, I have a simple question. Our Club has had a Peet Bros 100 and a WX Trax running for several years (K4PAR-1). I believe that several years ago I also had a TT4 running as a WX station (Peet Model 100) and as a digipeater
at the same time on my home station. Recently, some of our Club members have asked about a digipeater. Can I use a TT4 for both, replacing the TT3 WX Trax?
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Tnx,
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Old Hal, K6DPL
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Can I use a TT4 for both, replacing the TT3? (was AIO reprogramming)
Hijacked Topic now a separate thread.
The TT4 is capable of both DIGI and Wx functions - you even acknowledge you had one doing that at your home station.
The only question is that is Wx Trax?? Is it a computer software package or a Wx station device?
I did an internet search and only "Wax Trax" or WxTrack showed up.
The next question would be whether the club station would have a computer attached - or stand alone.
I would guess stand alone as there is no need for a computer for the functions you are working with - UNLESS Wx Trax is a computer app.
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Rob Giuliano
KB8RCO
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On Tue, Jan 23, 2024 at 06:54 PM, <halgreid@...> wrote:
Guys, I have a simple question. Our Club has had a Peet Bros 100 and a WX Trax running for several years (K4PAR-1). I believe that several years ago I also had a TT4 running as a WX station (Peet Model 100) and as a digipeater at the same time on my home station. Recently, some of our Club members have asked about a digipeater. Can I use a TT4 for both, replacing the TT3 WX Trax?
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Tnx,
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Old Hal, K6DPL
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Re: Micro Track AIO reprograming
Guys, I have a simple question. Our Club has had a Peet Bros 100 and a WX Trax running for several years (K4PAR-1). I believe that several years ago I also had a TT4 running as a WX station (Peet Model 100) and as a digipeater at the same time on my home station. Recently, some of our Club members have asked about a digipeater. Can I use a TT4 for both, replacing the TT3 WX Trax?
Tnx,
Old Hal, K6DPL
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Joe,
You cannot program the MT-AIO with a terminal program; you will need to use the TT3 config program:?? Also, you will need to download and install the Prolifics USB Drivers from the Byonics website to use that USB programming cable. Other Prolifics drivers, and Windows Versions older than 10 may require a great deal of heartache and tears. One of the most common difficulties with configuring the AIO is that the serial jack's on units that have not been used a fair bit, may be very tight. Make sure you push the plug in firmly, even having the plug a tiny bit out of battery can deny your serial connection.
73,
Allen AF6OF
On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 02:53:58 PM PST, Joe N7IV <ferrara@...> wrote:
I¡¯m working with an older version of the micro trak AIO (version 1.4.4 on circuit board) trying to change the callsign in its program using ¡°Real Term,¡± and I have a failure to communicate.?
I¡¯ve been using the stereo plug to USB adaptor that came with unit.? I¡¯ve identified the proper com port, set the baud rate at 19,200, and turned flow control off.? When I turn on the unit, and hit ESC thrice, no joy.? I¡¯ve not had this problem with either TT3s or TT4s.?
What am I doing wrong?
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Re: Micro Track AIO reprograming
Joe,
You cannot program the MT-AIO with a terminal program; you will need to use the TT3 config program:?? Also, you will need to download and install the Prolifics USB Drivers from the Byonics website to use that USB programming cable. Other Prolifics drivers, and Windows Versions older than 10 may require a great deal of heartache and tears. One of the most common difficulties with configuring the AIO is that the serial jack's on units that have not been used a fair bit, may be very tight. Make sure you push the plug in firmly, even having the plug a tiny bit out of battery can deny your serial connection.
73,
Allen AF6OF
On Tuesday, January 23, 2024 at 02:53:58 PM PST, Joe N7IV <ferrara@...> wrote:
I¡¯m working with an older version of the micro trak AIO (version 1.4.4 on circuit board) trying to change the callsign in its program using ¡°Real Term,¡± and I have a failure to communicate.?
I¡¯ve been using the stereo plug to USB adaptor that came with unit.? I¡¯ve identified the proper com port, set the baud rate at 19,200, and turned flow control off.? When I turn on the unit, and hit ESC thrice, no joy.? I¡¯ve not had this problem with either TT3s or TT4s.?
What am I doing wrong?
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Micro Track AIO reprograming
I¡¯m working with an older version of the micro trak AIO (version 1.4.4 on circuit board) trying to change the callsign in its program using ¡°Real Term,¡± and I have a failure to communicate.?
I¡¯ve been using the stereo plug to USB adaptor that came with unit.? I¡¯ve identified the proper com port, set the baud rate at 19,200, and turned flow control off.? When I turn on the unit, and hit ESC thrice, no joy.? I¡¯ve not had this problem with either TT3s or TT4s.?
What am I doing wrong?
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I didn't realize the MT-2000 had a different configuration style than the other MicroTrak and TinyTrak products.
Sorry for the confusion!
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Rob KB8RCO
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The MT-2001 is a little different from? a TT3 or TT4. You do not ( and should not) enter the bootloader for any purpose other than reloading the firmware from a terminal program, or checking to make sure that you have not smoked the PIC. Attempting to play with the unit through the bootloader may result in a corrupted firmware. Please don't do that. We can fix a corrupted firmware, but you can't do it at your end. You don't have to worry about cycling the power at all when using the configuration program, it can edit the config anytime. The ( sometimes tricky) cycling of the power is only for the aforementioned bootloader.?
Configuration is generally accomplished by connecting to the MT-2001 to your computer via the 2.5mm jack. This requires the MT-2001 to be externally powered, as the USB-2.5 does not power the unit during programming. The most common difficulty with programming the MT-2001 this way is that the new, or rarely used, 2.5mm connector on the board is really tight, and it can look like you have fully seated it, but its not quite there. This is the time for brute force! Use plenty of horse power to seat the plug.
The second most common problem is that you did not select the Com Port which your PC has assigned your Prolifics USB cable to. You can see where your PC assigned your Prolifics USB device in the WIN device manager. There is almost no chance that any other USB device driver, other than the one that you need to download from the Byonics website, will work. This will not be a problem with WIN 10, but may present issues with WIN 11 ( Or as I call it affectionately, the OS of Satan)?
On the MT-2001, there is a separate connector for the GPS, its a 6 pin JST connector with 1mm spacing.? You could potentially program the unit through that jack, but it would be a PITA.?
The MT-2001 has set of four holes under the 2.5mm jack. Like most Micro-Trak devices, this will allow you to use the USB-TT3 programming cable with a four-pin adapter, and will provide power for programming. It's also a lot easier to cycle power with the pin connector for in-situ firmware loading with this connector. Byon would probably sell you one if you asked him nicely. It is the same adapter needed to program the new MT-AIO, and is provided free with that device.?
73,
Allen AF6OF VHS/BYONICS
On Tuesday, January 16, 2024 at 06:01:44 AM PST, Rob Giuliano via groups.io <kb8rco@...> wrote:
In order to get the Config area functions, you must place the TinyTrak device in "boot loader"
There are two important things that are required for "boot loader":
1. COMM port must match the USB device - bottom left corner (baud rate is controlled by application)
2. You must cycle power to the TinyTrak device without losing the COMM port.
? ? On the MT-2001, that would be the power connection to J4 (if powered by 9 - 12V).
If you are powering the MT-2001 through the GPS port (J1) and programming it using the USB-TT, this is less straight forward.
? ? The Byonics USB-TT interface supplies power to the TT device from USB, so unplugging and re-plugging at the computer typically?does not work,
? ? ?The computer takes too much time to configure the port, and the MT-2001 is past the "boot loader" stage.
? ? You MUST unplug and re-plug the TT device at the DE9 connection in order to "cycle power" to it and make the connection where it reads.
If you are still unable to get connected, please provide more detail on how you are connecting the MT-2001 to your computer.
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Rob KB8RCO
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If there were a way to add a momentary (Normally Closed) switch on the 5V pin 4 of the TT-USB inside the DE9 case, that would make this device ideal.
Pressing the switch would allow the user to momentarily interrupt power to the TinyTrak device and allow it to go to the boot loader.
Just a thought if future changes are made to this device
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Rob KB8RCO
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In order to get the Config area functions, you must place the TinyTrak device in "boot loader"
There are two important things that are required for "boot loader":
1. COMM port must match the USB device - bottom left corner (baud rate is controlled by application)
2. You must cycle power to the TinyTrak device without losing the COMM port.
? ? On the MT-2001, that would be the power connection to J4 (if powered by 9 - 12V).
If you are powering the MT-2001 through the GPS port (J1) and programming it using the USB-TT, this is less straight forward.
? ? The Byonics USB-TT interface supplies power to the TT device from USB, so unplugging and re-plugging at the computer typically?does not work,
? ? ?The computer takes too much time to configure the port, and the MT-2001 is past the "boot loader" stage.
? ? You MUST unplug and re-plug the TT device at the DE9 connection in order to "cycle power" to it and make the connection where it reads.
If you are still unable to get connected, please provide more detail on how you are connecting the MT-2001 to your computer.
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Rob KB8RCO
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Hello,
I have a MicroTrak 2001 and am using TinyTrak3Config v1.4.6 to configure it.? However, when I "read version" or "read config", I get a "TinyTrak3 not found ()" error.? The MicroTrak is connected to my Windows 10 laptop via USB.? I did successfully configure it once, but have not been able to a second time.
Any ideas on how to get connected again?
73,
? --Michael? WZ0C
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I don't see how an APO3 cutting off power would cause a problem with the TinyTrak.? It is no different that connecting and disconnecting power. ?? Was the transmitter on the same APO3??? ?? What was the voltage cutoff set to? I had a"very old" MicroTrack 8k that I had a simple cutoff circuit (not commercial) and a "well used" 12V SLA battery (1.4 Ah) on my bicycle. Cutoff voltage was 11V, below that the voltage would really drop on TX.
The battery was so well worn, that it didn't last very long and I wanted to make sure I didn't have an issue with the transmitter. The transmitter would do stranger things with low voltage.
On Sunday, December 31, 2023 at 06:13:43 AM EST, Don Wolfe via groups.io <w4gcw@...> wrote:
I've been using an Aprsworld APO3 battery cutoff for several years now and during that time i've had several TinyTrak units go bad
and stop working. Do I just have a bad one or has anybody else had this problem? I like the idea of not having to run an on/off
switch up to the front but not at the cost of replacing a TT3 or even worse a TT4. Has anybody found a battery cut off that works
better? This could be the reason why Byonics doesn't sell them?
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73, Don
W4GCW
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