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Re: 2711 lost tracking generator

 

Hi,

When the tracking generator is installed in the 271x analyzers, it is
immediately recognized by the CPU. I would take a close look at the
interconnections between the power supply board (J4) and the tracking
generator board (J300).

I doubt that the low backup battery has anything to do with this particular
problem.

Out of curiousity, when you check the "Installed Options" in the Utility
menu, what do you see?

Brian Henry


jminn699 wrote:

I am working on a 2711 that has lost its tracking generator. The
inside factory label lists installed options 3-4. and indeed the TG
output connector is present. when you press the DEMOD/TG button it
shows only items 1&2 item 4 is missing. If you go to UTIL [3] only
item 1 & 2 show up, item 3 is missing. Could this problem be caused by
a low backup battery? Both batteries measure less than 2.4 volts.
Anyone have any ideas?


Re: New file uploaded to TekScopes

Joe Rooney
 

--- In TekScopes@..., "Didier Juges" <didier@...> wrote:

TekScopes@... wrote:
Multilayer ceramic capacitors are becoming more and more
common these days, up to about 100 uF, as replacements for
conventional tantalum electrolytics.

However, I'd be reluctant to use 10 uF in a general-purpose
DC block for a spectrum analyzer. It takes about a
microjoule to hose a mixer diode, which is what you get with
a 0.1 uF capacitor charged to 5 volts. I wouldn't use a 10
uF cap without at least 10 or 20 dB of RF attenuation after it.

-- john, KE5FX
John,

I recommended the setup AND the procedure, which includes setting
the SA to
max attenuation BEFORE connecting anything else and powering up.
Only then,
you can reduce attenuation until you see something.

With the 10k discharge resistors at each end of the DC block, the
cap should
always be discharged when connected, however there is a risk that a
transient coming from the input device would go through the 10uF
cap, as it
will let pretty good, low frequency transients go through.

In over 20 years of doing that (a lot, it's a routine test for
power supply
ripple measurements), I have not blown a front end yet. YMMV...

Didier KO4BB

I'd like to add another cautionary note. We used to see sampling
heads, especially the S6 arriving with a destroyed diodes at the
service centers with customers expressly keeping terminators and
attenuators to minimize destructive reflections. But the biggest
culprit in my unproven opinion was emfs produced when cables were
wiggled (ostensibly to see if there was an intermittent). The
movement of the polyethelylene across the metallic conductors could
in theory, produce hundreds of volts, albeit for a very short
duration. Longer cables, often being tested by a labratory TDR
seemed to be involved when I would debrief customers about
circumstances.

Joe Rooney


Re: New file uploaded to TekScopes

Didier Juges
 

TekScopes@... wrote:
Multilayer ceramic capacitors are becoming more and more
common these days, up to about 100 uF, as replacements for
conventional tantalum electrolytics.

However, I'd be reluctant to use 10 uF in a general-purpose
DC block for a spectrum analyzer. It takes about a
microjoule to hose a mixer diode, which is what you get with
a 0.1 uF capacitor charged to 5 volts. I wouldn't use a 10
uF cap without at least 10 or 20 dB of RF attenuation after it.

-- john, KE5FX
John,

I recommended the setup AND the procedure, which includes setting the SA to
max attenuation BEFORE connecting anything else and powering up. Only then,
you can reduce attenuation until you see something.

With the 10k discharge resistors at each end of the DC block, the cap should
always be discharged when connected, however there is a risk that a
transient coming from the input device would go through the 10uF cap, as it
will let pretty good, low frequency transients go through.

In over 20 years of doing that (a lot, it's a routine test for power supply
ripple measurements), I have not blown a front end yet. YMMV...

Didier KO4BB


Re: [TekScopes2] Re: 7854 problems

Tomas
 

Had the calibrator to ch1/Left, stable +/-2 div signal centered on the
display.
All other chanels where of.

With best regards

Tomas Larsson
TL Engineering & Consultants
Engelbrektsgatan 121
SE 506 39 Bor?s
Sweden

+46 739 932 673

-----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes2@...
[mailto:TekScopes2@...] On Behalf Of Dave Casey
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 11:04 PM
To: TekScopes@...; TekScopes2@...
Subject: [TekScopes2] Re: [TekScopes] 7854 problems

I have had this happen before. Setup the scope with a single
waveform (i.e calibrator signal), make sure your timebase is
beig triggered (near as I can tell, the acquisition doesn't
happen until an event is triggered so as to capture a single
shot event), and then try to acquire.
I have encountered the situation you describe when trying to
capture an X-Y display or several traces at once, but not for
a single trace.
I'll have my calculator keyboard Friday, at which point I can
really start checking out the scope...

Dave Casey

----- Original Message -----
From: Tomas
To: TekScopes@... ; TekScopes2@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:51 PM
Subject: [TekScopes] 7854 problems


Dear group.
Started to play around with my newly acquired 7854.
Ran into some problems directly.
Havent had time to go through it yet, will obviously need
to do that.
This is what's happening.

Analog part seems to work ok all traces and other analog
functions seems to
be in order.

Digital part, here comes the problem.
When it starts, POST is reported OK.
Sometimes the panel keys doesn't work/respond but
calculator keybord is ok.
When I hit AQR, the busy-led lights up and the screen
starts to flicker.
It does not stop by itself, just keeps on going.
Hitting stop, it reverts to normaland AQR/WFM-error is
displayed on the
screen and no waveforms stored.

Any-one seen this before, if so, where to start to look?

With best regards

Tomas Larsson
TL Engineering & Consultants
Engelbrektsgatan 121
SE 506 39 Bor?s
Sweden

+46 739 932 673



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Re: 7854 problems

Dave Casey
 

I have had this happen before. Setup the scope with a single waveform (i.e calibrator signal), make sure your timebase is beig triggered (near as I can tell, the acquisition doesn't happen until an event is triggered so as to capture a single shot event), and then try to acquire.
I have encountered the situation you describe when trying to capture an X-Y display or several traces at once, but not for a single trace.
I'll have my calculator keyboard Friday, at which point I can really start checking out the scope...

Dave Casey

----- Original Message -----
From: Tomas
To: TekScopes@... ; TekScopes2@...
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 3:51 PM
Subject: [TekScopes] 7854 problems


Dear group.
Started to play around with my newly acquired 7854.
Ran into some problems directly.
Havent had time to go through it yet, will obviously need to do that.
This is what's happening.

Analog part seems to work ok all traces and other analog functions seems to
be in order.

Digital part, here comes the problem.
When it starts, POST is reported OK.
Sometimes the panel keys doesn't work/respond but calculator keybord is ok.
When I hit AQR, the busy-led lights up and the screen starts to flicker.
It does not stop by itself, just keeps on going.
Hitting stop, it reverts to normaland AQR/WFM-error is displayed on the
screen and no waveforms stored.

Any-one seen this before, if so, where to start to look?

With best regards

Tomas Larsson
TL Engineering & Consultants
Engelbrektsgatan 121
SE 506 39 Bor?s
Sweden

+46 739 932 673



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7854 problems

Tomas
 

Dear group.
Started to play around with my newly acquired 7854.
Ran into some problems directly.
Havent had time to go through it yet, will obviously need to do that.
This is what's happening.

Analog part seems to work ok all traces and other analog functions seems to
be in order.

Digital part, here comes the problem.
When it starts, POST is reported OK.
Sometimes the panel keys doesn't work/respond but calculator keybord is ok.
When I hit AQR, the busy-led lights up and the screen starts to flicker.
It does not stop by itself, just keeps on going.
Hitting stop, it reverts to normaland AQR/WFM-error is displayed on the
screen and no waveforms stored.

Any-one seen this before, if so, where to start to look?




With best regards

Tomas Larsson
TL Engineering & Consultants
Engelbrektsgatan 121
SE 506 39 Bor?s
Sweden

+46 739 932 673




Verus Amicus Est Tamquam Alter Idem

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Re: Interesting 547..........

Dick Ballard
 

Yes, it is a prototype. Specifically a unit numbered 09 of the B phase
pre-production build (perhaps 10-20 units), this one assigned to
ENGineering. Earlier in the process, A phase instruments were the very
first prototypes often built with rather crude and messy simulations
of the final product.

Full production usually followed the B phase build, although
technically there were two more production phases, C and D. Deane
Kidd, the New Product Introduction (NPI) Manager for many years, could
add more details here. The quality and performance of B phase units
would usually be very close to "for sale" instruments.

That quality level would vary according to the cleanliness of the
design/evaluation process. The B phase instruments would have a number
of changes from when they were first built that would incorporate the
results of intensive testing and evaluation of that group of products.

In today's software terminology, the closest analog would be a beta
release except that the B phase instruments were not sold or released
to the public. Obviously many of those units have eventually found
their way to the market place.

A common pathway is the "permanent loan" policy in place for many
years where a Tek engineer could take one of these home for an
indefinite period, to be returned when leaving the company. As time
went on quite a few of these were never recaptured by Tek as the
company grew and engineers drifted elsewhere.

Dick Ballard
ballardr@...

On Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:19:18 -0000, you wrote:

Hopefully someone here can help. I have just aquired a 547 (thanks
Christian) that is stamped (ENG) in the left oval under the model
number and (B 09) in the right oval where the serial number usually
goes. I am under the impression that it is a prototype and was hoping
one of you retired Tektronix guru's might shed some light on it.

Cheers,

David


Re: Interesting 547..........

 

Preproduction instruments were designated "A-phase" or "B-phase".
These have an informal serial number that starts at 01. The B
means that this is a B-phase instrument, not that it was made
in Beaverton (though it probably was). A-phasers are early
engineering experiments and are usually hacked to pieces inside.
They rarely meet spec. B-phasers are production dress-rehearsals
and most can work okay.

Dave Wise
ex-Tek Design Engineer for Information Display in Wilsonville.

-----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...]On
Behalf Of Joe Rooney
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 2:34 PM
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: [TekScopes] Re: Interesting 547..........


--- In TekScopes@..., "David" <gavinator68@...> wrote:

Hopefully someone here can help. I have just aquired a 547 (thanks
Christian) that is stamped (ENG) in the left oval under the model
number and (B 09) in the right oval where the serial number
usually
goes. I am under the impression that it is a prototype and was
hoping
one of you retired Tektronix guru's might shed some light on it.

Cheers,

David
Hi David,

Stan may be able more clearly describe prototyping schemes, all I
ever saw were B variants and a few sn's below 101. Back before the
prefix B designated Beaverton, reportedly there were A prototype
prefixes, but I never saw one in the field. They were engineering
models or first manufacturability runs. Originally, they were never
to be sold, some were on permanent loan to deserving employees. (I
never got one)

There was a guy in the eighties that stole and subsequently sold a
bunch of these items. Eventually he got caught and that is probably
what you got. Or some disgruntled, but previously deserving employee
that had one on permanent loan, sold his.

I haven't a clue what happens at Danaher/Tek these days, maybe Stan
could say whether the country store is still open.

The original serial numbers for catalog items started at 101. Cal
fixtures and non-catalog items used serial numbers, generally
starting at 1.

The B prefix designated Beaverton and as other manufacturing
facilities were erected worldwide, there were other prefixes.

Production runs started at B010101 and the original scheme was to
raise the sn's when a major rework occurred. B020101.

That got kind of ragged with high volume instruments.

Joe Rooney


Re: New file uploaded to TekScopes

John Miles
 

Multilayer ceramic capacitors are becoming more and more common these days,
up to about 100 uF, as replacements for conventional tantalum electrolytics.

However, I'd be reluctant to use 10 uF in a general-purpose DC block for a
spectrum analyzer. It takes about a microjoule to hose a mixer diode, which
is what you get with a 0.1 uF capacitor charged to 5 volts. I wouldn't use
a 10 uF cap without at least 10 or 20 dB of RF attenuation after it.

-- john, KE5FX

-----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...]On
Behalf Of John Rehwinkel
Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 9:32 AM
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] New file uploaded to TekScopes


File : /Helpful tools you can build/Scope tools.pdf
Uploaded by : n5ztw <n5ztw@...>
Description : Helpful tools for scopes and SAs
Those are handy, but the DC isolator refers to a 10???f ceramic
capacitor. I suspect that should be a monolithic, film or even a non-
polarized electrolytic, but ceramic?

??? John


Re: New file uploaded to TekScopes

John Rehwinkel
 

File : /Helpful tools you can build/Scope tools.pdf
Uploaded by : n5ztw <n5ztw@...>
Description : Helpful tools for scopes and SAs
Those are handy, but the DC isolator refers to a 10?f ceramic
capacitor. I suspect that should be a monolithic, film or even a non-
polarized electrolytic, but ceramic?

¨C John


2711 lost tracking generator

jminn699
 

I am working on a 2711 that has lost its tracking generator. The
inside factory label lists installed options 3-4. and indeed the TG
output connector is present. when you press the DEMOD/TG button it
shows only items 1&2 item 4 is missing. If you go to UTIL [3] only
item 1 & 2 show up, item 3 is missing. Could this problem be caused by
a low backup battery? Both batteries measure less than 2.4 volts.
Anyone have any ideas?

Thanks


Re: Tek A6901 manual or circuit please

 

--- In TekScopes@..., "oldtestgear" <philip.parsons@...>
wrote:

I just bought one of these which was accurately described
as "faulty".
Which it seems to be!
Before I start pulling it apart does anyone have either a manual or
circuit diagram they can share with me? I thought this might be
useful
when I (finally) get back to troubleshooting the SMPS in my 2465
scope
which suffered a catastrophic failure when the main supply cap let go.

Thanks in advance for any info.

Phil.
---------
Schematics are only a few pages - I can make the scans.
Contact me off list.
/H?kan


Tek A6901 manual or circuit please

oldtestgear
 

I just bought one of these which was accurately described as "faulty".
Which it seems to be!
Before I start pulling it apart does anyone have either a manual or
circuit diagram they can share with me? I thought this might be useful
when I (finally) get back to troubleshooting the SMPS in my 2465 scope
which suffered a catastrophic failure when the main supply cap let go.

Thanks in advance for any info.

Phil.


Tektronix 475 Timebase Variable switch problem

 

I have a bent inner rod on the Var control/switch. When I rotate the
Var, the switch on the board moves, because the long rod is bent, and
it won't be long before the solder breaks loose. How can I remove the
inner rod to straighten it? I tried to pull it out from the front, but
it is catching on something and I am afraid if I pull too hard, I may
damage the inside of the CAM switch. Can this inner rod be removed
safely somehow without damaging the outer CAM switch?

Another issue I am having is there is some dirt in the focus and
intensity controls. These controls are plastic and I do not see a hole
to jet some contact cleaner in it, any ideas on cleaning it?


Busted 7613

Dave Casey
 

So I have a 7613 here that is complete but has obviously seen better days. The scope powers on quietly but after a few seconds, the whole screen gets flooded green. Instensity/storage adjustments make no difference. I didn't think to mess with the focus before I did some exploratory surgery.
Anyway, it's almost back together at which point I'll check the voltages as a start. It has obviously taken a hard hit at the back end as the cast aluminum frame at the rear is broken in three places. I'm trying to decide if the scope works well enough to remove and weld the frame or if it should become a parts mule.
Anybody seen the CRT get flooded like this? Things I should be looking for? Thanks!

Dave Casey


7623 Z-axis wiring

Kurt
 

Gentlemen,

I have a 7623 (not a 7623A) with some problems.
The screen is dim, the readout is faint, and the
storage is a mess. For starters, I'd like to get
non-store mode in order.

The scope makes a scratchy buzzing sound for 30
seconds at power-up and induces noise in surrounding
audio equipment.

The HV test point is -1475V. I want to test the
PDA voltage. To measure this with the PDA lead
attached to the CRT, I need to probe at the HV
multiplier. It seems like the HV section in a
7623 is unusually difficult to get to. Is this
the case, or am I missing something?

There is a connector, P1120, on the Z-axis board.
There are two more wires that attach to the Z-axis
board right next to P1120. One is to the left and
one is to the right. The wires are tabeled "A" and
"B" in the schematic. One of those two wires is white
with a brown stribe. The other wire is white with a
red stripe. Does anybody know which wire goes to the
left of P1120 and which goes to the right of P1120?

Also, what are the differences between a 7623 and a 7623A?
thanks, -kurt


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Re: Interesting 547..........

Joe Rooney
 

--- In TekScopes@..., "David" <gavinator68@...> wrote:

Hopefully someone here can help. I have just aquired a 547 (thanks
Christian) that is stamped (ENG) in the left oval under the model
number and (B 09) in the right oval where the serial number
usually
goes. I am under the impression that it is a prototype and was
hoping
one of you retired Tektronix guru's might shed some light on it.

Cheers,

David
Hi David,

Stan may be able more clearly describe prototyping schemes, all I
ever saw were B variants and a few sn's below 101. Back before the
prefix B designated Beaverton, reportedly there were A prototype
prefixes, but I never saw one in the field. They were engineering
models or first manufacturability runs. Originally, they were never
to be sold, some were on permanent loan to deserving employees. (I
never got one)

There was a guy in the eighties that stole and subsequently sold a
bunch of these items. Eventually he got caught and that is probably
what you got. Or some disgruntled, but previously deserving employee
that had one on permanent loan, sold his.

I haven't a clue what happens at Danaher/Tek these days, maybe Stan
could say whether the country store is still open.

The original serial numbers for catalog items started at 101. Cal
fixtures and non-catalog items used serial numbers, generally
starting at 1.

The B prefix designated Beaverton and as other manufacturing
facilities were erected worldwide, there were other prefixes.

Production runs started at B010101 and the original scheme was to
raise the sn's when a major rework occurred. B020101.

That got kind of ragged with high volume instruments.

Joe Rooney


Interesting 547..........

David
 

Hopefully someone here can help. I have just aquired a 547 (thanks
Christian) that is stamped (ENG) in the left oval under the model
number and (B 09) in the right oval where the serial number usually
goes. I am under the impression that it is a prototype and was hoping
one of you retired Tektronix guru's might shed some light on it.

Cheers,

David


Re: 465B z-axis Problem solved --- Some extra notes on removing troublesome components

 

Minor correction to my previous post titled:

Some extra notes on removing troublesome components

The line that reads:

"holding things together) has a higher melting point than 118¡ãF ,"

should be

"holding things together) has a higher melting point than 158¡ãF ,"