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Re: Odd 2247A problem, looking for insight
Let's see, 62 ohm resistor (that feels like a 1/10 watt just to start), input capacitance of some sort (20 pf, but you'd think that wouldn't be much), feed the scope RF.? 27 Mhz, 20pf gives about 294 ohms, 144 mhz gives about 55 ohms.? I'll suggest someone was trying to look at the output of a transmitter directly.? I'm surprised more didn't go....
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Harvey On 1/3/2021 2:35 PM, walter shawlee wrote:
I have a nice looking Tek 2247A scope here that has been sitting on the shelf for a while, due to a bad Channel i input. the signal is a horribly attenuated and differentiated replica of the actual input. Everything else is perfect. In a moment of covid-induced boredom, I felt I had to get to the bottom of this. I had a hunch that this was the input resistor being broken or damaged (there is always a flying resistor from the input BNC to the vertical input on 2200 series scopes). It was the only thing I could think of that could give this result. |
Re: I built a TM500 mainframe tester, and updated the design. Someone might find this useful?
I see no significant advantage to a group purchase of the wafer switch for this tester. DigiKey has 100+ available and the discount for a quantity purchase is not that much. Further, it is likely that most folks will need to buy some other parts so just combine the switch with that order.
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Packaging a chunky wafer switch with planar circuit boards will complicate the packaging for me and I really have enough to do already. But, it does make good sense to do a single buy of a quantity of the board sets. I expect significant cost savings from that and ordering boards by Gerber files is not in everyone's experience. Larry On 1/3/2021 9:36 AM, Craig Cramb wrote:
... Larry is there a chance that there might be a purchase of the Rotary switch as a group purchase from DigiKey or all parts sourced up to the individuals.-- Best wishes, Larry McDavid W6FUB Anaheim, California (SE of Los Angeles, near Disneyland) |
Re: I built a TM500 mainframe tester, and updated the design. Someone might find this useful?
Colin, I don't know a cost yet for the board set and I am not sure I can get an accurate estimate of shipping to the UK. My experience shipping to Europe is that it cost a *lot* more than our domestic USA shopping. You may know more about those shipping costs than do I.
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But, you can't sit on the fence. I will know more about the cost for USA deliveries in total but I will need commitments from international buyers so that I know how many board sets to order. Remember, too, that you will most likely need to buy some of the parts, surely that $25 switch from DigiKey. Karry On 1/3/2021 7:07 AM, Colin Herbert via groups.io wrote:
Hi Larry, --
Best wishes, Larry McDavid W6FUB Anaheim, California (SE of Los Angeles, near Disneyland) |
Re: Odd 2247A problem, looking for insight
Walter,
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I suppose it is possible that U112 has beefy input protection (diode clamps to the supplies?) that might survive enough current to burn a small 62 ohm resistor. At maximum sensitivity the attenuators would be switched out of the circuit. --John Gord On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 11:35 AM, walter shawlee wrote:
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Odd 2247A problem, looking for insight
walter shawlee
I have a nice looking Tek 2247A scope here that has been sitting on the shelf for a while, due to a bad Channel i input. the signal is a horribly attenuated and differentiated replica of the actual input. Everything else is perfect. In a moment of covid-induced boredom, I felt I had to get to the bottom of this. I had a hunch that this was the input resistor being broken or damaged (there is always a flying resistor from the input BNC to the vertical input on 2200 series scopes). It was the only thing I could think of that could give this result.
It takes some effort to de-can the scope, and remove the complex shield over the vertical inputs, but sure enough, when opened, the barely visible input resistor (62 ohm carbon film) was BURNED. I replaced it, and ta-da, everything is working. What the heck? Here's what I just can't figure out, this scope has no 50 ohm input function, so no low impedance path exists to help burn this resistor due to over-driving, SO HOW DID it get burned and leave the scope undamaged? I am totally mystified by this, and keen to hear any opinions. I just can't see how this fault happened without vaporizing the vertical input channel. all the best for the new year, walter (walter2 -at- sphere.bc.ca) sphere research corp. |
Re: Spectrum analyzer Tektronix 7L13 on mainframe Tektronix 7603
Greetings Attilio - I did some research on the 502, and the xtal that tek used.
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It is a SC cut 3d overtone series resonant crystal in a TO-5 transistor package. Bliley Crystal in the US still might offer this cut. The parts I have are AT cut 3 OT 7pF shunt resonant. My experience with them is that they have a sharp resonance range. In the 502, the crystal Fc is stretched in a VCXO circuit to effect the tracking of the SA. An AT cut crystal will move a bit in frequency then just quit oscillating. It will also not fit in the available space. -J- -----Original Message-----
From: "Attilio" <a.alovisetti@...> Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 12:48pm To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Spectrum analyzer Tektronix 7L13 on mainframe Tektronix 7603 Jim Mcvein, do you have any news for me in relation to 52.5 MHz crystal? I am in Italy, if you give me your bank details and the amount I have to pay for the crystal and the shipping costs, I will make you an international bank transfer Alternatively I can pay with PayPal.. Thanks -- Cheers Attilio |
Re: Slightly OT: How can I dissolve Potting Compound?
Hi Vince,
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I included the model number in my original post but I had no success locating information on it SNIP < Model: 1150-6330, S/N: 610574> Dennis Tillman W7pF -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Vince Vielhaber Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 6:24 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Slightly OT: How can I dissolve Potting Compound? A heat gun is often the method for removing the potting, but care must be taken since some of the potting compounds get very toxic with heat. Is there a model number on the dead supply? Vince. On 01/02/2021 09:18 PM, Dennis Tillman W7pF wrote: I need to dissolve the black HV potting compound of a 12VDC poweredTubes? -- K8ZW -- Dennis Tillman W7pF TekScopes Moderator |
Re: Slightly OT: How can I dissolve Potting Compound?
If you want to kill your liver, soak your hands in MEK. Acetone and lacquer thinner are just as bad. All can be very destructive on components.
A considerable time ago when I was frequently reverse engineering products I used several variants of potting dissolving products specifically designed for the job. Unfortunately I cannot remember the name of the manufacturer at this time. You might try Googling a few key words to see if there is anything out on the Web. For a quick glance inside with smaller items I would take them over to my dentists office and had him X-ray them. We had a good working relationship and he saw me frequently but not for my dental work. Nearly four decades ago when I was designing frequency stabilized HeNe lasers for calibration purposes I had the luxury of obtaining the tube specs from the manufacturers. The tubes required grading to determine gross drift before I applied my ¡°magic¡± to bring them into high stability. The coarse grading was achieved by heterodyning the HeNe laser against an Iodine stabilized laser which produced an RF signal that could be measured with conventional test equipment to optimize the operating current for best initial stability after a 72 hour burn-in (which was still horrid at best). There are a few hints that may provide a few answers to your dilemma. Googling ¡°determining proper operating current for a laser tube¡± will bring up a few hits. One I noticed that was at the top of the list was Others: Etc. Phone calls to manufacturers are always an option even if they have no relationship to the tubes that you have. That¡¯s providing that you can get past the receptionist who answers the phone. It¡¯s better to burrow in through the tech services department since you are talking to people who normally have at least a modicum of knowledge in the subject. The best resource are universities who have labs involved in laser research. Investigators are usually more comfortable bantering on such subjects. I found them to be of great asset when involved in my laser work. Greg |
Re: Slightly OT: How can I dissolve Potting Compound?
I would second all of the suggestions to obtain a new supply...
But, for forensic purposes, and because it has not yet been mentioned, I have heard of Methylene Chloride being used in de-potting. Common component in many older 'unsafe' paint strippers... _Dave KC6UPS |
Re: Spectrum analyzer Tektronix 7L13 on mainframe Tektronix 7603
Jim Mcvein,
do you have any news for me in relation to 52.5 MHz crystal? I am in Italy, if you give me your bank details and the amount I have to pay for the crystal and the shipping costs, I will make you an international bank transfer Alternatively I can pay with PayPal.. Thanks -- Cheers Attilio |
Re: I built a TM500 mainframe tester, and updated the design. Someone might find this useful?
On Thu, Dec 31, 2020 at 03:12 PM, Larry McDavid wrote:
Larry is there a chance that there might be a purchase of the Rotary switch as a group purchase from DigiKey or all parts sourced up to the individuals. Craig |
Re: Peter Keller's Book Mailing Status (Minor Correction)
I was mistaken to say Media Rate mail does not have tracking numbers.
I just looked at the 84 inch (2.13m) long receipt I received and discovered that each of the 72 packages I mailed does have a tracking number. It shows up just below the zip code for that package. Had I known this in advance I would have handed the boxes in zip code order to Chu, my understanding and sympathetic Post Office window clerk. Unfortunately they are in totally random order. If after 7 to 10 days anyone is still waiting for their book I will be able to find the tracking number and locate the book but I am hoping I won't have to. Dennis Tillman W7pF _____________________________________________ From: Dennis Tillman W7pF [mailto:dennis@...] Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2021 12:20 PM To: '[email protected]' <[email protected]> Subject: Peter Keller's Book Mailing Status This morning I mailed 76 of Peter Keller's books. These went to 72 people in the USA who ordered Peter's book. At the request of our currently shorthanded post office staff I have been asked to wait until Thursday to mail the 25 International orders when there will be enough people on duty to process them. It takes time to verify the address, determine the postage, and process the customs forms for each international order. Here is the list of domestic orders I mailed today. Because these were send Media Mail Rate the clerk only has to enter the zip code and print out a label for each box. It took about 1 1/2 hours to process 72 domestic orders. There are no tracking numbers for Media Mail packages. If you want to know if I mailed your book(s) today scan down this zip code sorted list for your initials. ------ --- ------- 01460, HV, 1 Book 01510, PE, 1 Book 01742, SB, 1 Book 02090, JY, 1 Book 04605, LS, 1 Book 06057, EO, 1 Book 06851, LK, 1 Book 07023, MD, 1 Book 10034, PC, 1 Book 11507, LL, 1 Book 13211, BG, 1 Book 13635, BL, 1 Book 14094, SW, 1 Book 14131, CD, 1 Book 15068, DM, 1 Book 17044, DK, 1 Book 18944, CA, 1 Book 19010, SH, 1 Book 19808, RD, 1 Book 20169, CL, 1 Book 20613, TK, 1 Book 20872, CH, 2 Books 20901, JD, 1 Book 22406, FD, 1 Book 23236, MV, 1 Book 27932, RB, 1 Book 28411, VS, 1 Book 29445, GL, 1 Book 30064, MM, 1 Book 30341, HO, 1 Book 32707, SB, 1 Book 32754, DD, 1 Book 32765, JR, 2 Books 45014, ES, 1 Book 45066, LS, 1 Book 45801, TL, 1 Book 48206, CW, 1 Book 48371, VV, 1 Book 48843, JR, 1 Book 56549, EN, 1 Book 59405, GM, 1 Book 66062, JF, 1 Book 67212, CC, 1 Book 72834, ML, 1 Book 78746, MA, 1 Book 80015, CD, 1 Book 80023, PB, 1 Book 80234, JM, 1 Book 80907, KP, 1 Book 87107, JG, 1 Book 87124, CM, 1 Book 87544, BD, 1 Book 89511, MM, 1 Book 91602, BH, 1 Book 92109, SP, 1 Book 92806, LM, 1 Book 94301, BC, 1 Book 94550, JR, 1 Book 94602, RD, 1 Book 94941, BH, 1 Book 94947, JP, 1 Book 95320, TN, 3 Books 95693, KS, 1 Book 97338, JG, 1 Book 97424, TP, 1 Book 98008, DM, 1 Book 98030, BL, 1 Book 98115, MH, 1 Book 98166, CN, 1 Book 98275, SJ, 1 Book 98501, DG, 1 Book Anonymous, 1 Book Dennis Tillman W7pF |
Re: A question from the unwashed relative to: I built a TM500 mainframe tester...
Wouldn't my idea of bringing the connections separately to the front panel solve this? Continuity between each end of each 25 VAC winding could be tested without the mainframe being powered up.
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of zenith5106 Sent: 03 January 2021 16:29 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] A question from the unwashed relative to: I built a TM500 mainframe tester... On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 03:29 PM, Jared Cabot wrote: Does that include checking that the floating AC windings are really floating ? I have had a TM503 with one end of one of the windings in one compartment shorted to ground. Voltages looked OK but the plugin in that compartment didn't like it. /H?kan |
Re: Slightly OT: How can I dissolve Potting Compound?
On Sat, Jan 2, 2021 at 08:03 PM, stevenhorii wrote:
During the early days of satellite video descrambler hacking (Videocypher module) a friend of mine was quite active doing this work and it entailed replacing a chip that I think was a 27xx ROM. At first it was just a simple matter of unsoldering the chip from the board and putting in the new "hacked" one. But then the manufacturer started trying to make it more difficult by dipping the whole area around the chip on both sides of the board in a rectangle of thick black epoxy. I remember my friend getting around this quite easily by using a heat gun and by chopping away the soft epoxy. The potting would sometimes even just peel off in one big chunk like a soft piece of cheesecake. As far as I know he never did damage any of the other nearby components on the board or even some wires that also ran on the board in the potted area. Of course applying the heat gun really required a very judicious technique, but in the end he got really good at it getting it done quickly. So I would think with enough care the same technique might also be a solution in similar cases to remove epoxy potting, of course if there are no other heat sensitive components embedded in it and one feels confident enough to apply the hot air in the right spots for just the right amount of time. I would definitively not try any chemicals as it might attack more than the epoxy potting, or at the very least dissolve some labels. |
Re: A question from the unwashed relative to: I built a TM500 mainframe tester...
On Sun, Jan 3, 2021 at 03:29 PM, Jared Cabot wrote:
Does that include checking that the floating AC windings are really floating ? I have had a TM503 with one end of one of the windings in one compartment shorted to ground. Voltages looked OK but the plugin in that compartment didn't like it. /H?kan |
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