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Re: Scope

 

On 2018-08-13 12:37 PM, Roger Evans via Groups.Io wrote:
Tom,

This is where I found mine. It is not a service manual in the traditional sense with schematics but it does have some useful information on removing boards and voltage test points. Despite the name it does include the 684A.

www.dennlec.com/images/manuals/tek-tds-784a-service-manual.pdf
For those curious what else is there:



--Toby

Roger




Re: Scope

 

I think the nearest you'll get to schematics is what H?kan has published <
>. You'll some schematics for the 644A
there, though ISTR there are significant differences to the 684A.

On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 at 12:13 Thomas Dodge <tdodge2404@...> wrote:

Thanks for your email. Yes, it is a TDS 684A. I actually got it running
yesterday, and it is working very well. I think it had been in the surplus
place for a long time, and so it took a while for everything to initialize,
but it works great. It is in very good condition. Do you know where I can
get an original service manual for it? I will take a look inside it and
look at the condition inside. Thank you very much.


Re: Scope

 

Tom,

This is where I found mine. It is not a service manual in the traditional sense with schematics but it does have some useful information on removing boards and voltage test points. Despite the name it does include the 684A.

www.dennlec.com/images/manuals/tek-tds-784a-service-manual.pdf

Roger


Re: Scope

 

The clearest you will get is a service manual for TDS544A as I recall. None of the others have ever been released. Many of the sections are the same or similar though so it is still helpful.
--Eric
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------From: Thomas Dodge <tdodge2404@...> Date: 8/13/18 11:13 AM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Scope
Hi Roger,
Thanks for your email. Yes, it is a TDS 684A. I actually got it running
yesterday, and it is working very well. I think it had been in the surplus
place for a long time, and so it took a while for everything to initialize,
but it works great. It is in very good condition. Do you know where I can
get an original service manual for it? I will take a look inside it and
look at the condition inside. Thank you very much.

Tom

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 8:49 AM Roger Evans via Groups.Io <very_fuzzy_logic=
[email protected]> wrote:

Tom,

Do you mean a TDS 684A?? I have one of these and it has serious problems
with leaking of the SMD electrolytic capacitors on the acquisition board
and subsequent corrosion.? There are not too many to change and you can
find the service manual which details the procedure for removing the
acquisition board.? Look very carefully around the other SMD components
near the attenuator assembly, this is where I have the most obvious
corrosion rather than near the electrolytics.? Best to fix these before
they cause damage to the PCB tracks and vias.

Roger




Re: Scope

 

Hi Roger,
Thanks for your email. Yes, it is a TDS 684A. I actually got it running
yesterday, and it is working very well. I think it had been in the surplus
place for a long time, and so it took a while for everything to initialize,
but it works great. It is in very good condition. Do you know where I can
get an original service manual for it? I will take a look inside it and
look at the condition inside. Thank you very much.

Tom

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 8:49 AM Roger Evans via Groups.Io <very_fuzzy_logic=
[email protected]> wrote:

Tom,

Do you mean a TDS 684A? I have one of these and it has serious problems
with leaking of the SMD electrolytic capacitors on the acquisition board
and subsequent corrosion. There are not too many to change and you can
find the service manual which details the procedure for removing the
acquisition board. Look very carefully around the other SMD components
near the attenuator assembly, this is where I have the most obvious
corrosion rather than near the electrolytics. Best to fix these before
they cause damage to the PCB tracks and vias.

Roger




Re: Scope

 

Tom,

Do you mean a TDS 684A? I have one of these and it has serious problems with leaking of the SMD electrolytic capacitors on the acquisition board and subsequent corrosion. There are not too many to change and you can find the service manual which details the procedure for removing the acquisition board. Look very carefully around the other SMD components near the attenuator assembly, this is where I have the most obvious corrosion rather than near the electrolytics. Best to fix these before they cause damage to the PCB tracks and vias.

Roger


Re: 422 AC power socket

 

Just use a 30mm cord grip and solder a cable.

On Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 10:31 AM <johnasolecki@...> wrote:

Picked up a 422 in pretty good shape but it didn't come with the AC power
cord. It needs a round female socket (nema 15-5R) that's about 30 mm or
1.81" in diameter. The smallest I've found online or in the vintage scope
restoration aisle of Home Depot is about 35mm or 1.38".

Getting tricky using alligator clips on the pins for power. Does anyone
have the correct item for sale or can refer me to a source?

Thanks,

John

(I guess I could convert it to an IEC but I'd really prefer to keep it
original)




422 AC power socket

 

Picked up a 422 in pretty good shape but it didn't come with the AC power cord. It needs a round female socket (nema 15-5R) that's about 30 mm or 1.81" in diameter. The smallest I've found online or in the vintage scope restoration aisle of Home Depot is about 35mm or 1.38".

Getting tricky using alligator clips on the pins for power. Does anyone have the correct item for sale or can refer me to a source?

Thanks,

John

(I guess I could convert it to an IEC but I'd really prefer to keep it original)


Re: 2465B Replace Aluminum Electrolytics with Tantalum

 

LOL!? LGBTQRC?? ;-)

Mark

On 08/13/2018 04:44 AM, Adrian wrote:
Oh but they are!

I've met several who were so conflicted that they thought they were resistors.

Adrian


On 8/12/2018 11:17 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
Huh. Who knew tantalums could be emotionally conflicted.

Mark


Re: 2465B Replace Aluminum Electrolytics with Tantalum

 

Oh but they are!

I've met several who were so conflicted that they thought they were resistors.

Adrian

On 8/12/2018 11:17 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
Huh. Who knew tantalums could be emotionally conflicted.

Mark


Re: Scope

 

On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 13:51:55 -0700, you wrote:

Hi Harvey,
Thanks for your email. It was very helpful. I was working with the scope
for a while, turning it off and on a few times, and finally the screen came
up. I suspect that since the scope hadn't been powered up in a long time,
it might take a while to initialize, and it seems fine now. Thanks very
much. I appreciate your help. Now I have two more Tektronix scopes to fix,
and one could be a project.
That it *didn't* come on immediately suggests that there may be a
problem that is waiting to happen. It depends on where the potential
problem might be, mostly, in such scopes, it goes into two causes: one
being a bad power supply, the second being the capacitors going bad.
When they do, they leak electrolyte and start to damage the PC board.
I'd suggest a search of your scope model to see if others have noted
that it's in the suspect years/models for such a problem.

I have a TDS540A, and it is a candidate for bad capacitors.

Harvey



Tom

On Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 9:22 AM Harvey White <madyn@...> wrote:

On Sat, 11 Aug 2018 20:31:33 -0700, you wrote:

All the lights ought to come on, then the power up sequence starts.
You should hear relays clicking, and you should see different lights
on the front panel. If not, then you have a possible power supply
problem, or a possible processor problem. There are diagnostic modes
that you should be able to use to check out the processor.

However, another possibility is that the display has failed. If so,
then you can plug in a computer display to the scope and you should be
able to see something. I'd do that first, then check power supply
voltages, then check the processor, etc.

Harvey


On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 8:27 PM Thomas Dodge <tdodge2404@...>
wrote:

Hi,
My name is Tom, and I haven't sent any emails in a while. I just bought
a
Tektronix TDS 648A scope. I plugged it in for the first time, and all
the
lights come on, but no intensity at all. Does anyone know how to
approach
this issue? Thanks a lot.

Tom






Re: Resurrecting a 475 - Request for Guidance

 

On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:17:22 -0700, you wrote:

I have recently become the proud owner of a 475 that I found abandoned at the side of a road! Other than a couple dents in the casing, it appears to be in pretty good condition.

After replacing the fuses, I was greeted with what appeared to be a very fuzzy trace when turning the power on. However, very soon afterwards, a resistor directly adjacent to the J4 connector on board A9 (listed in the manual as 'interface circuit board assembly') began to smoke, at which point I powered it off. One of the leads of the resistor in question is connected to the positive side of a orange dipped (tantalum?) capacitor, which leads me to suspect that it may be the culprit, given all that I have read so far regarding worn out and failed capacitors on 400 series scopes. When testing the capacitor in the board, it certainly seems like it's shorted, which I presume would explain the smoke from the adjacent resistor.

I'm hesitant to power it on again to check all the rail voltages in case I further damage the resistor. I suppose I should start by verifying which capacitors are good and bad, and replacing the failed ones? In this case, is there a definitive criteria for determining which capacitors are good and which need to be replaced? Or should my attention be directed elsewhere first?

Any advice and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Simple minded approach to dead capacitors (seriously).

1) signs of discoloring, generally turning black or brown.
2) glowing in the dark (not kidding....)
3) excessive smoke
4) very low resistance
5) very low resistance especially with one lead lifted
6) missing body, resulting in two small leads from the pc board (not
kidding)
7) signs of mechanical damage
8) leaking of anything, including signs of traumatized solder joints
nearby.
9) bulging cans
10) burned resistors or opened inductors in a supply line leading to
the part

Further tests involve (with power on) low voltages, burning resistors,
ticking power supplies (if switchers), excessive current draw.

not to make fun of this, but if you go back and look at a lot of the
posts about bad capacitors, this is what they'll say.

I've seen most of them.

Harvey






Re: Resurrecting a 475 - Request for Guidance

 

The 'J4' connector ('J4' is silk screened right next to it) is one of the solid board-to-board connectors; It's shown with 'J4' superimposed over it in figure 7-15 in the 475 manual - on one of the picture diagrams for board A9

I'm struggling to find the designation or reference for the capacitor in the service manual; it's a yellow dipped radial lead capacitor, 2.2uf, 20V. The smoke-emitting resistor measures at 9¦¸?

The resistance from the negative lead of C1318 to ground is 0.25¦¸

Regarding the power supply resistance checks, the +50, +5 and -8 rails have appropriate resistances to ground. +110, unregulated +50 and -105/160 are way out, and the values wander around a bit. -15 is at 61K¦¸, and +15 is at 9.75¦¸.

I have a feeling that the +15 rail may be shorting through the resistor mentioned earlier; when it and the capacitor I believe to be the culprit are bypassed with a length of wire, the resistance to ground of the +15 rail drops to below 1¦¸.

Thanks!


Re: No trace on 556 :(

 

Hello Evan,
I have what is left of a 556 scope. I just checked and both high voltage (plastic rectangular) enclosures are still in the chassis. The front panel and low voltage transformer are also available. Don't know what condition. Free except whatever it takes to get it out of here. I already took the tunnel diodes and the tubes are missing. Would like to get rid of it. Plus lots of other Tek stuff.
Carl (W9CJH)

--------------------------------------------

On Thu, 8/2/18, <thespin@...> wrote:

Subject: [TekScopes] No trace on 556 :(
To: [email protected]
Date: Thursday, August 2, 2018, 8:03 AM

Hey all,

I just acquired a 556, but it's having
some fairly serious issues. Before powering it on, I checked
all the supply rails for shorts with a meter, and checked
the power plug for shorts as well. I then proceeded to
slowly turn the scope on with a variac. Once at full voltage
for a few moments, I heard a bang and smelled that something
had gone wrong. Surprisingly, the main rails are all healthy
(350,225,100,-150). The high voltage on the upper beam is at
it's nominal voltage, but the high voltage on the lower beam
is around 100 volts. Boooo.

Okay... so now I wonder... if the
post-deflection acceleration (supplied by the lower beam
supply only) is dead, will the CRT still light? What are the
chances that I blew up the HV transformer itself and will
need to wind a new one? What components are most likely to
have exploded in that area?

Evan


Re: 2465B Replace Aluminum Electrolytics with Tantalum

tom jobe
 

Look at the data sheet for the Nichicon HE series capacitors, in the 'endurance' section it says that the capacitor's life doubles (in hours) when you go up from 6.3 mm to 12.5 mm diameter.
This fits right in with what you are saying about skinny capacitors.
tom jobe...

On 8/12/2018 3:43 PM, Mark Goldberg wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 3:23 PM, tom jobe <tomjobe@...> wrote:

Hi Mark,
That is an interesting point you make about using aluminum electrolytics
with a higher diameter to length ratio.
I have been told that skinny electrolytics dry out faster.

Regards,

Mark


Re: 2465B Replace Aluminum Electrolytics with Tantalum

 

On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 3:23 PM, tom jobe <tomjobe@...> wrote:

Hi Mark,
That is an interesting point you make about using aluminum electrolytics
with a higher diameter to length ratio.
I have been told that skinny electrolytics dry out faster.

Regards,

Mark


Re: 2465B Replace Aluminum Electrolytics with Tantalum

tom jobe
 

Hi Mark,
That is an interesting point you make about using aluminum electrolytics with a higher diameter to length ratio.
A recent capacitor discussion on Tekscopes included links to capacitor data sheets about the brand and series being discussed, and in one of the data sheets I saw that even within the same series of capacitor the ratings went up with larger diameters.
Wish I could remember the exact brand and series of capacitor so I could find that same data sheet again.
tom jobe...

On 8/12/2018 2:58 PM, Mark Goldberg wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 12:42 PM, machineguy59 via Groups.Io <
machineguy59@...> wrote:

I don't share your disdain for tantalum electrolytic capacitors. Their
dramatic failure modes to happen when they are operated near their rated
voltage. For this reason, I de-rate their voltage application by more than
4:1. That seems pretty safe by most accounts. Also, I chose capacitors
with an ESR equivalent or less than the aluminum capacitors they replaced
(smaller ones were available at higher ESR). I know nothing of the
"ethics" of tantalum capacitors or their vendors.
I have been using Kemet T494 series SMD -55 C to +125 C Low ESR Tantalum
for a very long time in aviation products and have not had issues. They
claim to use "conflict free Tantalum". I have also used high quality
electrolytics with higher diameter to length ratios if I needed really big
capacitance.

Regards,

Mark


Re: 2465B Replace Aluminum Electrolytics with Tantalum

 

On Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 17:58 Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg@...>


I have been using Kemet T494 series SMD -55 C to +125 C Low ESR Tantalum
for a very long time in aviation products and have not had issues. They
claim to use "conflict free Tantalum". I have also used high quality
electrolytics with higher diameter to length ratios if I needed really big
capacitance.
Huh. Who knew tantalums could be emotionally conflicted.

Mark


Re: 2465B Replace Aluminum Electrolytics with Tantalum

 

On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 12:42 PM, machineguy59 via Groups.Io <
machineguy59@...> wrote:

I don't share your disdain for tantalum electrolytic capacitors. Their
dramatic failure modes to happen when they are operated near their rated
voltage. For this reason, I de-rate their voltage application by more than
4:1. That seems pretty safe by most accounts. Also, I chose capacitors
with an ESR equivalent or less than the aluminum capacitors they replaced
(smaller ones were available at higher ESR). I know nothing of the
"ethics" of tantalum capacitors or their vendors.
I have been using Kemet T494 series SMD -55 C to +125 C Low ESR Tantalum
for a very long time in aviation products and have not had issues. They
claim to use "conflict free Tantalum". I have also used high quality
electrolytics with higher diameter to length ratios if I needed really big
capacitance.

Regards,

Mark


Acquisition board spoken for

 

The ACQ board I posted for availability earlier has been spoken for. My
thanks to Jim Finch.

Keep the peace(es).

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kyrrin (at) bluefeathertech dot com
"Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati" (Red Green)