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Re: Scope
On 2018-08-13 12:37 PM, Roger Evans via Groups.Io wrote:
Tom,For those curious what else is there: --Toby Roger |
Re: Scope
I think the nearest you'll get to schematics is what H?kan has published <
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>. You'll some schematics for the 644A there, though ISTR there are significant differences to the 684A. On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 at 12:13 Thomas Dodge <tdodge2404@...> wrote:
Thanks for your email. Yes, it is a TDS 684A. I actually got it running |
Re: Scope
Tom,
This is where I found mine. It is not a service manual in the traditional sense with schematics but it does have some useful information on removing boards and voltage test points. Despite the name it does include the 684A. www.dennlec.com/images/manuals/tek-tds-784a-service-manual.pdf Roger |
Re: Scope
The clearest you will get is a service manual for TDS544A as I recall. None of the others have ever been released. Many of the sections are the same or similar though so it is still helpful.
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--Eric Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Thomas Dodge <tdodge2404@...> Date: 8/13/18 11:13 AM (GMT-06:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Scope
Hi Roger, Thanks for your email. Yes, it is a TDS 684A. I actually got it running yesterday, and it is working very well. I think it had been in the surplus place for a long time, and so it took a while for everything to initialize, but it works great. It is in very good condition. Do you know where I can get an original service manual for it? I will take a look inside it and look at the condition inside. Thank you very much. Tom On Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 8:49 AM Roger Evans via Groups.Io <very_fuzzy_logic= [email protected]> wrote: Tom, |
Re: Scope
Hi Roger,
Thanks for your email. Yes, it is a TDS 684A. I actually got it running yesterday, and it is working very well. I think it had been in the surplus place for a long time, and so it took a while for everything to initialize, but it works great. It is in very good condition. Do you know where I can get an original service manual for it? I will take a look inside it and look at the condition inside. Thank you very much. Tom On Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 8:49 AM Roger Evans via Groups.Io <very_fuzzy_logic= [email protected]> wrote: Tom, |
Re: Scope
Tom,
Do you mean a TDS 684A? I have one of these and it has serious problems with leaking of the SMD electrolytic capacitors on the acquisition board and subsequent corrosion. There are not too many to change and you can find the service manual which details the procedure for removing the acquisition board. Look very carefully around the other SMD components near the attenuator assembly, this is where I have the most obvious corrosion rather than near the electrolytics. Best to fix these before they cause damage to the PCB tracks and vias. Roger |
Re: 422 AC power socket
Just use a 30mm cord grip and solder a cable.
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On Mon, Aug 13, 2018, 10:31 AM <johnasolecki@...> wrote:
Picked up a 422 in pretty good shape but it didn't come with the AC power |
422 AC power socket
Picked up a 422 in pretty good shape but it didn't come with the AC power cord. It needs a round female socket (nema 15-5R) that's about 30 mm or 1.81" in diameter. The smallest I've found online or in the vintage scope restoration aisle of Home Depot is about 35mm or 1.38".
Getting tricky using alligator clips on the pins for power. Does anyone have the correct item for sale or can refer me to a source? Thanks, John (I guess I could convert it to an IEC but I'd really prefer to keep it original) |
Re: 2465B Replace Aluminum Electrolytics with Tantalum
LOL!? LGBTQRC?? ;-)
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Mark On 08/13/2018 04:44 AM, Adrian wrote:
Oh but they are! |
Re: 2465B Replace Aluminum Electrolytics with Tantalum
Oh but they are!
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I've met several who were so conflicted that they thought they were resistors. Adrian On 8/12/2018 11:17 PM, Mark Wendt wrote:
Huh. Who knew tantalums could be emotionally conflicted. |
Re: Scope
On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 13:51:55 -0700, you wrote:
Hi Harvey,That it *didn't* come on immediately suggests that there may be a problem that is waiting to happen. It depends on where the potential problem might be, mostly, in such scopes, it goes into two causes: one being a bad power supply, the second being the capacitors going bad. When they do, they leak electrolyte and start to damage the PC board. I'd suggest a search of your scope model to see if others have noted that it's in the suspect years/models for such a problem. I have a TDS540A, and it is a candidate for bad capacitors. Harvey
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Re: Resurrecting a 475 - Request for Guidance
On Sun, 12 Aug 2018 12:17:22 -0700, you wrote:
I have recently become the proud owner of a 475 that I found abandoned at the side of a road! Other than a couple dents in the casing, it appears to be in pretty good condition.Simple minded approach to dead capacitors (seriously). 1) signs of discoloring, generally turning black or brown. 2) glowing in the dark (not kidding....) 3) excessive smoke 4) very low resistance 5) very low resistance especially with one lead lifted 6) missing body, resulting in two small leads from the pc board (not kidding) 7) signs of mechanical damage 8) leaking of anything, including signs of traumatized solder joints nearby. 9) bulging cans 10) burned resistors or opened inductors in a supply line leading to the part Further tests involve (with power on) low voltages, burning resistors, ticking power supplies (if switchers), excessive current draw. not to make fun of this, but if you go back and look at a lot of the posts about bad capacitors, this is what they'll say. I've seen most of them. Harvey |
Re: Resurrecting a 475 - Request for Guidance
The 'J4' connector ('J4' is silk screened right next to it) is one of the solid board-to-board connectors; It's shown with 'J4' superimposed over it in figure 7-15 in the 475 manual - on one of the picture diagrams for board A9
I'm struggling to find the designation or reference for the capacitor in the service manual; it's a yellow dipped radial lead capacitor, 2.2uf, 20V. The smoke-emitting resistor measures at 9¦¸? The resistance from the negative lead of C1318 to ground is 0.25¦¸ Regarding the power supply resistance checks, the +50, +5 and -8 rails have appropriate resistances to ground. +110, unregulated +50 and -105/160 are way out, and the values wander around a bit. -15 is at 61K¦¸, and +15 is at 9.75¦¸. I have a feeling that the +15 rail may be shorting through the resistor mentioned earlier; when it and the capacitor I believe to be the culprit are bypassed with a length of wire, the resistance to ground of the +15 rail drops to below 1¦¸. Thanks! |
Re: No trace on 556 :(
Hello Evan,
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I have what is left of a 556 scope. I just checked and both high voltage (plastic rectangular) enclosures are still in the chassis. The front panel and low voltage transformer are also available. Don't know what condition. Free except whatever it takes to get it out of here. I already took the tunnel diodes and the tubes are missing. Would like to get rid of it. Plus lots of other Tek stuff. Carl (W9CJH) -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 8/2/18, <thespin@...> wrote:
Subject: [TekScopes] No trace on 556 :( To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, August 2, 2018, 8:03 AM Hey all, I just acquired a 556, but it's having some fairly serious issues. Before powering it on, I checked all the supply rails for shorts with a meter, and checked the power plug for shorts as well. I then proceeded to slowly turn the scope on with a variac. Once at full voltage for a few moments, I heard a bang and smelled that something had gone wrong. Surprisingly, the main rails are all healthy (350,225,100,-150). The high voltage on the upper beam is at it's nominal voltage, but the high voltage on the lower beam is around 100 volts. Boooo. Okay... so now I wonder... if the post-deflection acceleration (supplied by the lower beam supply only) is dead, will the CRT still light? What are the chances that I blew up the HV transformer itself and will need to wind a new one? What components are most likely to have exploded in that area? Evan |
Re: 2465B Replace Aluminum Electrolytics with Tantalum
tom jobe
Look at the data sheet for the Nichicon HE series capacitors, in the 'endurance' section it says that the capacitor's life doubles (in hours) when you go up from 6.3 mm to 12.5 mm diameter.
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This fits right in with what you are saying about skinny capacitors. tom jobe... On 8/12/2018 3:43 PM, Mark Goldberg wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 3:23 PM, tom jobe <tomjobe@...> wrote:Hi Mark,I have been told that skinny electrolytics dry out faster. |
Re: 2465B Replace Aluminum Electrolytics with Tantalum
On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 3:23 PM, tom jobe <tomjobe@...> wrote:
Hi Mark,I have been told that skinny electrolytics dry out faster. Regards, Mark |
Re: 2465B Replace Aluminum Electrolytics with Tantalum
tom jobe
Hi Mark,
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That is an interesting point you make about using aluminum electrolytics with a higher diameter to length ratio. A recent capacitor discussion on Tekscopes included links to capacitor data sheets about the brand and series being discussed, and in one of the data sheets I saw that even within the same series of capacitor the ratings went up with larger diameters. Wish I could remember the exact brand and series of capacitor so I could find that same data sheet again. tom jobe... On 8/12/2018 2:58 PM, Mark Goldberg wrote:
On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 12:42 PM, machineguy59 via Groups.Io < |
Re: 2465B Replace Aluminum Electrolytics with Tantalum
On Sun, Aug 12, 2018, 17:58 Mark Goldberg <marklgoldberg@...>
Huh. Who knew tantalums could be emotionally conflicted. Mark |
Re: 2465B Replace Aluminum Electrolytics with Tantalum
On Sun, Aug 12, 2018 at 12:42 PM, machineguy59 via Groups.Io <
machineguy59@...> wrote: I don't share your disdain for tantalum electrolytic capacitors. TheirI have been using Kemet T494 series SMD -55 C to +125 C Low ESR Tantalum for a very long time in aviation products and have not had issues. They claim to use "conflict free Tantalum". I have also used high quality electrolytics with higher diameter to length ratios if I needed really big capacitance. Regards, Mark |
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