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You pay listing fees? I get a number of free ones every month. Final
value fees are 10% tho. Perhaps the PP donate button is the better bet tho
with those restrictions.

Vince.

On 05/01/2018 01:43 PM, Artekmedia wrote:

I don think you can sell a "membership" on Ebay. As I recall the rules
state that it must be a physical item that ships via UPS, USPS or FEDEX
as an example. I know they wont let me sell "downloads" ..gotta be a CD
... as an example. Even at $1 eBay collects a listing fee and commission
fee for every sale plus the PayPal tax so you can end up sending 20% or
more of your "sales" into the bonus plans for the senior pirates at Ebay
Corporate

-DC
manuals@...

On 5/1/2018 1:22 PM, Jack Reynolds wrote:

I believe that Stefan has hit the nail on the head twice as shown below:

The"contributing membership" thing can be an annual event whenever the
bill is about to come due. Therefore it could be done by either
Dennis or Michael. Raise the cost of a membership to $5 so that
whoever is collecting it can deal with a minimal no. of eBay
responses. Make the first year sufficient to cover what has already
been paid and the coming year as well as eBay and Paypal fees.
Contributors will receive a confirmation from Paypal with no hassle
for Dennis or Michael. If there are people who need recognition on
the list for their contribution, DON"t BOTHER! Save the bandwidth for
something important like Jerry's bull and electric fence controller!
There will be no excess funds to deal with. The annual free for all
to get one of the "contributing memberships" will be something to look
forward to. It will be open to all who use eBay and Paypal already
and that likely is a very large majority(despite all of the acid
remarks about eBay!). The eBay posting will make it obvious to
everyone the total which is being collected by the no. of shares
offered and the cost. (Think of it in terms of Ohm's Law)
Jack Reynolds
On 5/1/2018 12:40 PM, stefan_trethan wrote:

Now I don't have a problem with that, if you guys want to sponsor this
thing for the rest of us that's fine.
But Dennis seems to have a bad case of the decency. Probably caught it
from his parents, quite easy to pass on if you aren't careful. Luckily
it's not fatal, only instills this weird craving for fairness. You'll
also die poorer and obviously can't ever have a job in politics, sorry
'bout that.

ST

Maybe you can simply sell 150 "contributing memberships" on Ebay as $1
buy it now items and if someone wants to donate say $10 they can just
pick up 10 pcs? This would cap the funds coming in and almost
auto-generate a list.

Patreon or any of the countless gofundme type of sites would likely
work too, but I don't really want to singn up somewhere new. I expect
most members use Ebay already.

I don't think anyone is too concerned about fees or what happens to
excess money, the goal is to reimburse you with the least hassle for
you, but I understand why you do not want to be saddled with a large
sum that you don't know what to do with.

--
Michigan VHF Corp.

I don think you can sell a "membership" on Ebay. As I recall the rules
state that it must be a physical item that ships via UPS, USPS or FEDEX
as an example. I know they wont let me sell "downloads" ..gotta be a CD
... as an example. Even at $1 eBay collects a listing fee and commission
fee for every sale plus the PayPal tax so you can end up sending 20% or
more of your "sales" into the bonus plans for the senior pirates at Ebay
Corporate

-DC
manuals@...

On 5/1/2018 1:22 PM, Jack Reynolds wrote:

I believe that Stefan has hit the nail on the head twice as shown below:

The"contributing membership" thing can be an annual event whenever the
bill is about to come due. Therefore it could be done by either
Dennis or Michael. Raise the cost of a membership to $5 so that
whoever is collecting it can deal with a minimal no. of eBay
responses. Make the first year sufficient to cover what has already
been paid and the coming year as well as eBay and Paypal fees.
Contributors will receive a confirmation from Paypal with no hassle
for Dennis or Michael. If there are people who need recognition on
the list for their contribution, DON"t BOTHER! Save the bandwidth for
something important like Jerry's bull and electric fence controller!
There will be no excess funds to deal with. The annual free for all
to get one of the "contributing memberships" will be something to look
forward to. It will be open to all who use eBay and Paypal already
and that likely is a very large majority(despite all of the acid
remarks about eBay!). The eBay posting will make it obvious to
everyone the total which is being collected by the no. of shares
offered and the cost. (Think of it in terms of Ohm's Law)
Jack Reynolds
On 5/1/2018 12:40 PM, stefan_trethan wrote:

Now I don't have a problem with that, if you guys want to sponsor this
thing for the rest of us that's fine.
But Dennis seems to have a bad case of the decency. Probably caught it
from his parents, quite easy to pass on if you aren't careful. Luckily
it's not fatal, only instills this weird craving for fairness. You'll
also die poorer and obviously can't ever have a job in politics, sorry
'bout that.

ST

Maybe you can simply sell 150 "contributing memberships" on Ebay as $1
buy it now items and if someone wants to donate say $10 they can just
pick up 10 pcs? This would cap the funds coming in and almost
auto-generate a list.

Patreon or any of the countless gofundme type of sites would likely
work too, but I don't really want to singn up somewhere new. I expect
most members use Ebay already.

I don't think anyone is too concerned about fees or what happens to
excess money, the goal is to reimburse you with the least hassle for
you, but I understand why you do not want to be saddled with a large
sum that you don't know what to do with.

ST
Your right :-)
If I was willing to jump through all the hoops Evil-Bay would recognize and allow me to sell downloads for some manufacturers manuals for which we have hard copy licenses and releases (HP and Tektronix are the big dogs) . The problem arises for companies that are no longer in business ( A lot!) eBay has no way ( or desire) to wade through all of that ..had this conversation with them years ago. And offering downloads for some and not for others just confuses the customer base and I would end up spending hours answering emails about why if I can provide a download for company A why cant I supply? a download for company B. It is easier in the long run to just quietly steer folks to to our web site where they can order a download to begin with.

Cheers
-DC



On 5/1/2018 2:29 PM, stefan_trethan wrote:

Well, perhaps Ebay didn't agree that you hold any copyright to those
Manuals Dave. ;-)
Just pulling your chain! Please let's not get into that again.

Looks like the Ebay policy is quite restrictive in the land of the
free, but it is possible to sell some non-physical goods:



Memberships aren't mentioned specifically, but no plaintiff, no judge,
as they say....
And if any donor filed an "item not received" claim he should be
banned for life anyway!


ST





On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 7:43 PM, Artekmedia <manuals@...> wrote:

I don think you can sell a "membership" on Ebay. As I recall the rules state
that it must be a physical item that ships via UPS, USPS or FEDEX as an
example. I know they wont let me sell "downloads" ..gotta be a CD ... as an
example. Even at $1 eBay collects a listing fee and commission fee for every
sale plus the PayPal tax so you can end up sending 20% or more of your
"sales" into the bonus plans for the senior pirates at Ebay Corporate

-DC
manuals@...

Well, perhaps Ebay didn't agree that you hold any copyright to those
Manuals Dave. ;-)
Just pulling your chain! Please let's not get into that again.

Looks like the Ebay policy is quite restrictive in the land of the
free, but it is possible to sell some non-physical goods:



Memberships aren't mentioned specifically, but no plaintiff, no judge,
as they say....
And if any donor filed an "item not received" claim he should be
banned for life anyway!


ST





On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 7:43 PM, Artekmedia <manuals@...> wrote:

I don think you can sell a "membership" on Ebay. As I recall the rules state
that it must be a physical item that ships via UPS, USPS or FEDEX as an
example. I know they wont let me sell "downloads" ..gotta be a CD ... as an
example. Even at $1 eBay collects a listing fee and commission fee for every
sale plus the PayPal tax so you can end up sending 20% or more of your
"sales" into the bonus plans for the senior pirates at Ebay Corporate

-DC
manuals@...

I don think you can sell a "membership" on Ebay. As I recall the rules state
that it must be a physical item that ships via UPS, USPS or FEDEX as an
example. I know they wont let me sell "downloads" ..gotta be a CD ... as an
example. Even at $1 eBay collects a listing fee and commission fee for every
sale plus the PayPal tax so you can end up sending 20% or more of your
"sales" into the bonus plans for the senior pirates at Ebay Corporate

-DC
manuals@...

I don think you can sell a "membership" on Ebay. As I recall the rules
state that it must be a physical item that ships via UPS, USPS or FEDEX
as an example. I know they wont let me sell "downloads" ..gotta be a CD
... as an example. Even at $1 eBay collects a listing fee and commission
fee for every sale plus the PayPal tax so you can end up sending 20% or
more of your "sales" into the bonus plans for the senior pirates at Ebay
Corporate

-DC
manuals@...

On 5/1/2018 1:22 PM, Jack Reynolds wrote:
I believe that Stefan has hit the nail on the head twice as shown below:

The"contributing membership" thing can be an annual event whenever the
bill is about to come due. Therefore it could be done by either
Dennis or Michael. Raise the cost of a membership to $5 so that
whoever is collecting it can deal with a minimal no. of eBay
responses. Make the first year sufficient to cover what has already
been paid and the coming year as well as eBay and Paypal fees.
Contributors will receive a confirmation from Paypal with no hassle
for Dennis or Michael. If there are people who need recognition on
the list for their contribution, DON"t BOTHER! Save the bandwidth for
something important like Jerry's bull and electric fence controller!
There will be no excess funds to deal with. The annual free for all
to get one of the "contributing memberships" will be something to look
forward to. It will be open to all who use eBay and Paypal already
and that likely is a very large majority(despite all of the acid
remarks about eBay!). The eBay posting will make it obvious to
everyone the total which is being collected by the no. of shares
offered and the cost. (Think of it in terms of Ohm's Law)
Jack Reynolds
On 5/1/2018 12:40 PM, stefan_trethan wrote:


Now I don't have a problem with that, if you guys want to sponsor this
thing for the rest of us that's fine.
But Dennis seems to have a bad case of the decency. Probably caught it
from his parents, quite easy to pass on if you aren't careful. Luckily
it's not fatal, only instills this weird craving for fairness. You'll
also die poorer and obviously can't ever have a job in politics, sorry
'bout that.

ST

Maybe you can simply sell 150 "contributing memberships" on Ebay as $1
buy it now items and if someone wants to donate say $10 they can just
pick up 10 pcs? This would cap the funds coming in and almost
auto-generate a list.

Patreon or any of the countless gofundme type of sites would likely
work too, but I don't really want to singn up somewhere new. I expect
most members use Ebay already.

I don't think anyone is too concerned about fees or what happens to
excess money, the goal is to reimburse you with the least hassle for
you, but I understand why you do not want to be saddled with a large
sum that you don't know what to do with.

--
Dave
Manuals@...
www.ArtekManuals.com

I believe that Stefan has hit the nail on the head twice as shown below:

The"contributing membership" thing can be an annual event whenever the bill is about to come due.? Therefore it could be done by either Dennis or Michael.? Raise the cost of a membership to $5 so that whoever is collecting it can deal with a minimal no. of eBay responses.? Make the first year sufficient to cover what has already been paid and the coming year as well as eBay and Paypal fees. Contributors will receive a confirmation from Paypal with no hassle for Dennis or Michael.? If there are people who need recognition on the list for their contribution, DON"t BOTHER! Save the bandwidth for something important like Jerry's bull and electric fence controller!? There will be no excess funds to deal with.? The annual free for all to get one of the "contributing memberships" will be something to look forward to.? It will be open to all who use eBay and Paypal already and that likely is a very large majority(despite all of the acid remarks about eBay!). The eBay posting will make it obvious to everyone the total which is being collected by the no. of shares offered and the cost. (Think of it in terms of Ohm's Law)
Jack Reynolds
On 5/1/2018 12:40 PM, stefan_trethan wrote:

Now I don't have a problem with that, if you guys want to sponsor this
thing for the rest of us that's fine.
But Dennis seems to have a bad case of the decency. Probably caught it
from his parents, quite easy to pass on if you aren't careful. Luckily
it's not fatal, only instills this weird craving for fairness. You'll
also die poorer and obviously can't ever have a job in politics, sorry
'bout that.

ST

Maybe you can simply sell 150 "contributing memberships" on Ebay as $1
buy it now items and if someone wants to donate say $10 they can just
pick up 10 pcs? This would cap the funds coming in and almost
auto-generate a list.

Patreon or any of the countless gofundme type of sites would likely
work too, but I don't really want to singn up somewhere new. I expect
most members use Ebay already.

I don't think anyone is too concerned about fees or what happens to
excess money, the goal is to reimburse you with the least hassle for
you, but I understand why you do not want to be saddled with a large
sum that you don't know what to do with.

Now I don't have a problem with that, if you guys want to sponsor this
thing for the rest of us that's fine.
But Dennis seems to have a bad case of the decency. Probably caught it
from his parents, quite easy to pass on if you aren't careful. Luckily
it's not fatal, only instills this weird craving for fairness. You'll
also die poorer and obviously can't ever have a job in politics, sorry
'bout that.

ST

Maybe you can simply sell 150 "contributing memberships" on Ebay as $1
buy it now items and if someone wants to donate say $10 they can just
pick up 10 pcs? This would cap the funds coming in and almost
auto-generate a list.

Patreon or any of the countless gofundme type of sites would likely
work too, but I don't really want to singn up somewhere new. I expect
most members use Ebay already.

I don't think anyone is too concerned about fees or what happens to
excess money, the goal is to reimburse you with the least hassle for
you, but I understand why you do not want to be saddled with a large
sum that you don't know what to do with.

While I understand what your thinking, and appreciate your desire to be fair I really think you are overthinking this.
I run some other large groups that have expenses and what I have found is very few donate, but those that do have $$$ and will donate a lot because they can and are not worried about accountability as they see you are doing well. Your input and value is more than just paying for this group, don't sell yourself short. Your gut of $1 from each of 10% of members is probably not realistic. More like $20-$100 each from 0.1% of members is what you will get based on my past experience. You may also get someone who privately messages you and offers to just pay for it all, or pay for a few years up front and be done with it.

My advice, set up a pay pall account and KISS. Let folks know here they can throw in a few $$$ to pay for the group and any other expenses. Let it collect to be at least 3x the annual cost and your past expenses so you don't have to keep fundraising. To avoid issues just be public about in general what you are getting in vs expenses but you don't need to prove exact accounting as that is way to much overhead to be expected.
But is this really the only expense? It seems you do a lot for the community that may inure other direct or indirect expenses that can be compensated.

If for some reason you get a ton of $$$ (which I doubt) then ask the group what is fair to do with it. My gut is there are other tek groups like the tek manual scanning group that could use some funds. Who pays for Tek Wiki webspace? How is that funded?

And #2 ???

Do they collect ANY personal information ? Name? Address? Bank or Credit
card number?

-DC
manuals@...

Don't need #2, #1 excludes a large portion of the group.

Vince.



On 05/01/2018 12:47 PM, Artekmedia wrote:

And #2 ???

Do they collect ANY personal information ? Name? Address? Bank or Credit
card number?

-DC
manuals@...

On 5/1/2018 12:40 PM, stefan_trethan wrote:

Quote from the Venmo website:
There are two main requirements for using Venmo:
1. You must be physically located in the United States


Now I don't have a problem with that, if you guys want to sponsor this
thing for the rest of us that's fine.
But Dennis seems to have a bad case of the decency. Probably caught it
from his parents, quite easy to pass on if you aren't careful. Luckily
it's not fatal, only instills this weird craving for fairness. You'll
also die poorer and obviously can't ever have a job in politics, sorry
'bout that.

ST

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 5:58 PM, John Griessen <john@...>
wrote:

On 05/01/2018 10:28 AM, stefan_trethan wrote:

Given that the supply of money will (for once) outstrip demand I
didn't think giving Ebay or even the tax man a cut was an issue, at
least for the first year. You'll be surprised how quickly the
generosity runs dry when you make this an annual event.

OK.? So maybe we come back to a leaner way in a year or two.
Easy button it is.

Dennis did mention he didn't want extra money accumulated is the
only reason I suggested servers and scripts...? and it does not
require new
sign ups by members.

Venmo might be good -- except for the "does not require new sign ups by
members".

Looking back, "does not require new sign ups by members" did not come
from
Dennis...
Venmo might work.? Stops extra money accumulating.
Concept matches.? Just needs donators to sign up for something new.

The PayPal "Donate" button is a simple and effective method. All you need to do is find a place to host that donate button and tell members where it is. They go to that web location and click on "Donate". They will even give you a separate PayPal account for the donations. Don't worry about accounting unless its running dry, then tell us. If you feel obligated to keep an accounting then put an estimate of fund supply (example: "we have 14 months of funds stored up") on the web page next to the Donate button. If you get enough to say "we have 360 months of funds stored up", then shut off the button. I don't like that PayPal gets 3% of the funds but its a small amount and worth it to keep your efforts small.

And #2 ???

Do they collect ANY personal information ? Name? Address? Bank or Credit
card number?

-DC
manuals@...

On 5/1/2018 12:40 PM, stefan_trethan wrote:

Quote from the Venmo website:
There are two main requirements for using Venmo:
1. You must be physically located in the United States


Now I don't have a problem with that, if you guys want to sponsor this
thing for the rest of us that's fine.
But Dennis seems to have a bad case of the decency. Probably caught it
from his parents, quite easy to pass on if you aren't careful. Luckily
it's not fatal, only instills this weird craving for fairness. You'll
also die poorer and obviously can't ever have a job in politics, sorry
'bout that.

ST

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 5:58 PM, John Griessen <john@...>
wrote:

On 05/01/2018 10:28 AM, stefan_trethan wrote:

Given that the supply of money will (for once) outstrip demand I
didn't think giving Ebay or even the tax man a cut was an issue, at
least for the first year. You'll be surprised how quickly the
generosity runs dry when you make this an annual event.

OK. So maybe we come back to a leaner way in a year or two.
Easy button it is.

Dennis did mention he didn't want extra money accumulated is the
only reason I suggested servers and scripts... and it does not
require new
sign ups by members.

Venmo might be good -- except for the "does not require new sign ups by
members".

Looking back, "does not require new sign ups by members" did not come
from
Dennis...
Venmo might work. Stops extra money accumulating.
Concept matches. Just needs donators to sign up for something new.