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Re: Tektronix 475a CRT issue [1 Attachment]

Rob
 

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Congratz.

Remember the DMM on the lowest short is not based in the same kind of theory as the ckt tester.

It is however an old technician trick that I have found to work more than not. It is a happy coincidence it worked on your first try out¡­

The best part of course is now having an excellent troubleshooting system for your future education.

Congratz again.

Rob

From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...] On Behalf Of Markus Peterson
Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 5:48 PM
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Re: Tektronix 475a CRT issue [1 Attachment]

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[Attachment(s) from Markus Peterson included below]


I truly appreciate the information that I have gotten from everyone. Today I followed around with my dmm and looked for the lowest ohms and found one cap that matched my shorted ohm reading on the 15v rail. So I decided to replace it and look at what we have!

Now time to verify some calibration as the manual suggest, but for a student with his AA and with intent to get my BSEET degree o think my first scope has been a large learning oppurtunity and now I have a working 475a to start troubleshooting other stuff.

Also to the people who suggested applying current to the circuit and using a voltage to frquency convertor, I looked into the circuit and will be constructing a tool to use in future troubleshooting. Again I thank you all for your help and will continue to be an active member here and try to contribute as much as I can.

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Attachment(s) from Markus Peterson

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Re: Tektronix 465

 

There are probably more of those out there than nearly anything else.
That makes them very supportable. They normally exceed spec.
Workhorse? It's a whole herd of them. You won't go wrong.
-ls-


"amxcoder" <micoderup@...> wrote:

I have used a 465 scope since the 70s for repairing stereos, radars,
SSB transceivers, and just about anything else electronic. They are
great work horses. I have developed an emotional bond with mine.

--- In TekScopes@..., "Dale" <dfm4290@...> wrote:

I,m looking at a Tektronix 465 scope tonight to buy for working on
old ham radios.
Just looking for any advise on this scope.
Thanks
Dale



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Re: Tektronix 465

amxcoder
 

I have used a 465 scope since the 70s for repairing stereos, radars, SSB transceivers, and just about anything else electronic. They are great work horses. I have developed an emotional bond with mine.

--- In TekScopes@..., "Dale" <dfm4290@...> wrote:

I,m looking at a Tektronix 465 scope tonight to buy for working on old ham radios.
Just looking for any advise on this scope.
Thanks
Dale


Re: Tektronix 475a CRT issue

 

Way to go Markus! That is one fine scope.

--- In TekScopes@..., Markus Peterson <auerillies@...> wrote:

I truly appreciate the information that I have gotten from everyone. Today
I followed around with my dmm and looked for the lowest ohms and found one
cap that matched my shorted ohm reading on the 15v rail. So I decided to
replace it and look at what we have!

Now time to verify some calibration as the manual suggest, but for a
student with his AA and with intent to get my BSEET degree o think my first
scope has been a large learning oppurtunity and now I have a working 475a
to start troubleshooting other stuff.

Also to the people who suggested applying current to the circuit and using
a voltage to frquency convertor, I looked into the circuit and will be
constructing a tool to use in future troubleshooting. Again I thank you all
for your help and will continue to be an active member here and try to
contribute as much as I can.


Re: Tektronix 475a CRT issue

Markus Peterson
 

I truly appreciate the information that I have gotten from everyone. Today I followed around with my dmm and looked for the lowest ohms and found one cap that matched my shorted ohm reading on the 15v rail. So I decided to replace it and look at what we have!

Now time to verify some calibration as the manual suggest, but for a student with his AA and with intent to get my BSEET degree o think my first scope has been a large learning oppurtunity and now I have a working 475a to start troubleshooting other stuff.

Also to the people who suggested applying current to the circuit and using a voltage to frquency convertor, I looked into the circuit and will be constructing a tool to use in future troubleshooting. Again I thank you all for your help and will continue to be an active member here and try to contribute as much as I can.


Re: Tektronix 465

 

Buy one that works; or else have a working scope available to debug the newly purchased non-working scope...

Patrick Wong AK6C

--- In TekScopes@..., "Dale" <dfm4290@...> wrote:

...Just looking for any advise on this scope.


Re: TM500 unknow plugin??

 

I have one available that's collecting dust if you're in need of one.

jamie

--- In TekScopes@..., David <davidwhess@...> wrote:

It is a 400MHz RF sweep generator:



On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 18:33:01 -0000, "iglesia_cristiana_arpas_eternas"
<iglesia_cristiana_arpas_eternas@...> wrote:

Could please some one give a clue about what is the second plugin from
the right in this TM515 frame?.
Thanks in advance..Gabriel.
Link to Pic!!
<>


Re: Make a backup of your TDS5xx/6xx/7xx memories

 

Hello,
Only now I saw your code!
I would have spared desoldering and resoldering 12 eeprom!
However, with my eprom programmer, as well as read all the eeprom, I also refreshed rewriting them.
Although the firmware of my TDS524A is not much recently I put it on KO4BB's site.
Now I have 2 TDS544A in repair and I will use your code to backup the firmware.
You also know how to do the firmware restore?
Regards

--- In TekScopes@..., "nukescope" <vtp@...> wrote:

Hello,

Here's how to do it:

- Compile the code below (you know what to change in the code for various memories)

- Get your NI GPIB adapter and attach it to the scope
- Put NVRAM protection switch (S1002) to forward position
- Turn the scope on

- Run the PC program


Hopefully the result of this is loads and loads of firmware and NVRAM backups uploaded somewhere safe like ko4bb-site.

Have fun.

...

#include <windows.h>
#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include "ni488.h"

void GpibError(const char * msg); /* Error function declaration */

int Device = 0; /* Device unit descriptor */
int BoardIndex = 0; /* Interface Index (GPIB0=0,GPIB1=1,etc.) */

int main(int argc, char *argv[])
{
FILE *outfile;

int f;

unsigned long addr, straddr, endaddr, data;
unsigned short lenght;
unsigned char checksum;
unsigned char str[0x100];

int PrimaryAddress = 29; /* Primary address of the device */
int SecondaryAddress = 0x7E; /* Secondary address of the device */
unsigned char Buffer1[0x500]; /* Read buffer */


Device = ibdev( /* Create a unit descriptor handle */
BoardIndex, /* Board Index (GPIB0 = 0, GPIB1 = 1, ...) */
PrimaryAddress, /* Device primary address */
SecondaryAddress, /* Device secondary address */
T3s, /* Timeout setting (T10s = 10 seconds) */
1, /* Assert EOI line at end of write */
0); /* EOS termination mode */

if (ibsta & ERR) { /* Check for GPIB Error */
GpibError("ibdev Error");
}

ibclr(Device); /* Clear the device */
if (ibsta & ERR) {
GpibError("ibclr Error");
}

/* Attempt to read TDS544A flash ROM contents */

outfile = fopen("KRNLdump.bin","wb");
printf("&#92;n");

// straddr = 0x01000000L; /* Start of flash ROM */
// endaddr = 0x01FFFFFFL; /* End of flash ROM */

// straddr = 0x04000000L; /* Start of TDS544A NVRAM */
// endaddr = 0x0407FFFFL; /* End of TDS544A NVRAM */

straddr = 0x00000000L; /* Start of Kernel ROM */
endaddr = 0x0003FFFFL; /* End of Kernel ROM */

addr = straddr;

do {
/* Read memory message */

str[0] = 'm'; /* m - read memory command */
str[1] = 0x00; /* checksum - fill later */
str[2] = 0x00; /* message lenght MSB */
str[3] = 0x08; /* message lenght LSB */

str[4] = (unsigned char)(addr >> 24 & 0xFF);
str[5] = (unsigned char)(addr >> 16 & 0xFF);
str[6] = (unsigned char)(addr >> 8 & 0xFF);
str[7] = (unsigned char)(addr & 0xFF);

str[8] = 0x00; /* data lenght - try 16 bytes first */
str[9] = 0x00;
str[10] = 0x04;
str[11] = 0x00;

checksum = str[0] + str[2] + str[3];
for(f = 4; f < 12; f++) checksum += str[f];
str[1] = (unsigned char) checksum;

//printf("&#92;nSending:&#92;n");
//for(f = 0; f < 12; f++) printf("%02X ", str[f]);
ibwrt(Device, str, 12); /* Send */
if (ibsta & ERR) GpibError("ibwrt Error");

/* Read Acknowledge (plus-sign msg) */
ibrd(Device, Buffer1, 1); /* Read up to x bytes from the device */
if (ibsta & ERR) GpibError("ibrd Error");
//printf("&#92;nAck reveiced:&#92;n");
//for(f = 0; f < 1; f++) printf("%02X ", Buffer1[f]);

/* Read reply message */
ibrd(Device, Buffer1, 0x404); /* Read up to x bytes from the device */
if (ibsta & ERR) GpibError("ibrd Error");
//printf("&#92;nReceived:&#92;n");
//for(f = 0; f < 0x404; f++) printf("%02X ", Buffer1[f]);

/* Save buffer contents */
for(f = 4; f < 0x404; f++)
{
fputc(Buffer1[f], outfile);
}

/* Send Acknowledgement (plus-sign msg) */
str[0] = '+';
ibwrt(Device, str, 1); /* Send */
if (ibsta & ERR) GpibError("ibwrt Error");

addr += 0x400;

} while(addr <= endaddr);

fclose(outfile);

ibonl(Device, 0); /* Take the device offline */
if (ibsta & ERR) GpibError("ibonl Error");

system("PAUSE");
}


void GpibError(const char *msg) {

printf("%s&#92;n", msg);

printf("ibsta = 0x%x <", ibsta);
if (ibsta & ERR ) printf(" ERR");
if (ibsta & TIMO) printf(" TIMO");
if (ibsta & END ) printf(" END");
if (ibsta & SRQI) printf(" SRQI");
if (ibsta & RQS ) printf(" RQS");
if (ibsta & CMPL) printf(" CMPL");
if (ibsta & LOK ) printf(" LOK");
if (ibsta & REM ) printf(" REM");
if (ibsta & CIC ) printf(" CIC");
if (ibsta & ATN ) printf(" ATN");
if (ibsta & TACS) printf(" TACS");
if (ibsta & LACS) printf(" LACS");
if (ibsta & DTAS) printf(" DTAS");
if (ibsta & DCAS) printf(" DCAS");
printf (" >&#92;n");

printf ("Iberr() = %d", iberr);
if (iberr == EDVR) printf(" EDVR <Driver error>&#92;n");
if (iberr == ECIC) printf(" ECIC <Not Controller-In-Charge>&#92;n");
if (iberr == ENOL) printf(" ENOL <No Listener>&#92;n");
if (iberr == EADR) printf(" EADR <Address error>&#92;n");
if (iberr == EARG) printf(" EARG <Invalid argument>&#92;n");
if (iberr == ESAC) printf(" ESAC <Not System Controller>&#92;n");
if (iberr == EABO) printf(" EABO <Operation aborted>&#92;n");
if (iberr == ENEB) printf(" ENEB <No GPIB board>&#92;n");
if (iberr == EOIP) printf(" EOIP <Async I/O in progress>&#92;n");
if (iberr == ECAP) printf(" ECAP <No capability>&#92;n");
if (iberr == EFSO) printf(" EFSO <File system error>&#92;n");
if (iberr == EBUS) printf(" EBUS <Command error>&#92;n");
if (iberr == ESTB) printf(" ESTB <Status byte lost>&#92;n");
if (iberr == ESRQ) printf(" ESRQ <SRQ stuck on>&#92;n");
if (iberr == ETAB) printf(" ETAB <Table Overflow>&#92;n");
if (iberr == ELCK) printf(" ELCK <Lock error>&#92;n");
if (iberr == EARM) printf(" EARM <Ibnotify rearm error>&#92;n");
if (iberr == EHDL) printf(" EHDL <Invalid Handle>&#92;n");
if (iberr == EWIP) printf(" EWIP <Wait already in progress>&#92;n");
if (iberr == ERST) printf(" ERST <Notification cancelled due to reset>&#92;n");
if (iberr == EPWR) printf(" EPWR <Power error>&#92;n");

printf("Ibcnt() = %u&#92;n", ibcnt);
printf("&#92;n");

/* Call ibonl to take the device and interface offline */
//ibonl(Device, 0);

//system("PAUSE");
//exit(1);
}


Tektronix 465

Dale
 

I,m looking at a Tektronix 465 scope tonight to buy for working on old ham radios.
Just looking for any advise on this scope.
Thanks
Dale


Re: TM500 unknow plugin??

 

It is a 400MHz RF sweep generator:



On Fri, 05 Oct 2012 18:33:01 -0000, "iglesia_cristiana_arpas_eternas"
<iglesia_cristiana_arpas_eternas@...> wrote:

Could please some one give a clue about what is the second plugin from
the right in this TM515 frame?.
Thanks in advance..Gabriel.
Link to Pic!!
<>


TM500 unknow plugin??

 

Could please some one give a clue about what is the second plugin from the right in this TM515 frame?.
Thanks in advance..Gabriel.
?


Re: PG506 old style manual needed!! SN=B031446

 

By sure, I not fix right my PG506 as I belive!!..
The 20V range change to 15V some times!!..and erratically , the 25Khz noise appears and disappears ,seems that the output 2 stage PI low pass filter, which is inserted? via 2 relays at 10V and below range fail.
I'm not sure yet, if both failure are correlated to power supply issue!!.
Thanks Murphy for discover that failure, at the very moment I begun to cal an? Oscilloscope!!.
Gabriel.

--- In TekScopes@..., "iglesia_cristiana_arpas_eternas" wrote:
>
> Today is a bad day!!! my recently fixed PG506 show a 0,3% long term
> drift in 100V output..and my loved 2465 (No "A or B") wake up with some
> disease!! Few days ago I noticed some erratic and abrupt change in CH1
> vert position, today..after power on, and run right for few second..the
> screen show all, what I supposed must be blanking, when work fine , and
> the intensity control seems not make any control.
> This give a clue about some problems in Z channel..I will open a new
> thread on this for some help..I hope!.
> About put a sine in PG506 transformer...Sorry I give up!, to much to
> mess and change, in gear that work fine... to risky!.
> If any of you guys..like to try about...Will be my pleasure help in all
> I can.
> Gabriel.
> --- In TekScopes@..., "iglesia_cristiana_arpas_eternas"
> iglesia_cristiana_arpas_eternas@ wrote:
> >
> > The facts is that all manual I find , is for SN 40000&up , but mine is
> > very old and quite different unfortunately.
> > Could please any one , give a link or clue to down load free ?.
> > Since I suspect that buy this manual, will cost more than this nice
> and
> > old instrument, which I like to bring back to life!!.(I hope).
> > Obviously before bother you guys, I made my home work..but with no
> > success!
> > Thanks in advance.
> > Gabriel.
> >
>


Re: Tek 561A & Fairchild 766H/F

 

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Leon;
I found a '69 Dumont catalog which covers the 766.
Thank you for your offer.
Bernd
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In a message dated 10/3/2012 7:23:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, leon-robinson@... writes:

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I'll try? to do it this weekend.

Leon Robinson ?? K5JLR

Political Correctness is a Political Disease.

--- On Wed, 10/3/12, tubesnthings@... wrote:

From: tubesnthings@...
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Tek 561A & Fairchild 766H/F
To: TekScopes@...
Cc: stvalnlbs@...
Date: Wednesday, October 3, 2012, 7:33 PM

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Yes, Leon - I would be interested to see catalog pages. Have been looking for any kind of reference to this scope without much luck. It has been "red-tagged", apparently there is a bad tunnel diode in the time base...
Not sure I'll ever fix it, but would like to know more. Has very unusual joystick-type trace positioning...wonder what for? Some kind of X-Y work? Panel layouts of the plug-ins resemble 3A72/3A1/3A2/3A6 and 3B3. Curious, to think that both scopes where used at the same facility. Tek for reference, Fairchild for economy and/or space savings by way of the smaller footprint of the cart? Or...??
Bernd
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In a message dated 10/3/2012 5:13:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, leon-robinson@... writes:

I can scan of the pages for the Fairchild mainframe and plugins from
the 1964/65 catalog if you need them, sorry no manuals.

Leon Robinson ?? K5JLR

Political Correctness is a Political Disease.

--- On Wed, 10/3/12, tubesnthings@... wrote:

From: tubesnthings@...
Subject: [TekScopes] Tek 561A & Fairchild 766H/F
To: TekScopes@...
Cc: stvalnlbs@...
Date: Wednesday, October 3, 2012, 6:01 PM

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Tek 561A & Fairchild 766H/F, apparently lived at the same "R&D LAB".
Plug-ins are mechanically?interchangeable and use interface connectors from the same manufacturer but with different pin count and orientation. The Fairchild is solid state, its cart lighter, smaller with crude tilt adjustment. The sheetmetal scope covers are textured and formed like Tek's.
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Re: Tektronix 475a CRT issue [1 Attachment]

John Rehwinkel
 

I found the article. It uses 150 source resistor for 10 mA and their
microvolt meter. A DMM on 20 mV scale should just do it but you might
need 100 mA to get enough voltage drop.
The usual lashup is a voltage-to-frequency converter, connected to a speaker. It's
easy to hear the change in frequency as you move toward or away from the short.

- John


Re: Newcomer needs leads

pete_kay20
 

--- In TekScopes@..., Pat-W9ZO <malfam2@...> wrote:

Are you sure it isn't a model 317 ?
That sounds more plausible for 1969.
My 475 is vintage 1971.
___________________________________________
i got the year wrong .It was 1979 ===============================================================================================


Re: Source for silver solder for old Tek ceramic strips?

 

Goot SD-64 is 2.5% silver. Not a significant difference IMO but it's 0.8 mm thick, much more convenient for ceramic strips than the RS stuff (0.4 mm as I recall, intended for surface mount work).

SE-2AG08 is the Goot p/n for a 200g spool...but let's hope you never need that much.

mike

--- In TekScopes@..., "Steve" <ditter2@...> wrote:

The silver bearing solder Tek used was 3% silver.
The 2% would work fine for ocassional repair. (Relacing the same component location something like 20 times may be a problem...)

- Steve

--- In TekScopes@..., David <davidwhess@> wrote:

The purpose of the silver is to slow down or prevent the tin from
dissolving the silver which is fired onto the strips. I think
Tektronix used 4% silver solder but 2% is better than nothing and I
would not worry about the issue when using it. Some low tin alloys
would work well but they tend to be much more expensive. Using a
lower temperature soldering iron like 600F will help since the
solubility of silver in tin is higher at higher temperatures.

Tektronix usually if not always included a small spool of the silver
solder they used inside of the oscilloscope chassis for working with
the ceramic strips.

On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 14:57:48 -0600, Scott Harris
<scottrharris@> wrote:

Can anyone recommend a good source for the silver solder required when working on the old Tek Ceramic strips?

While I was typing this email I tried googling again and found that Radio Shack sells a 1 oz spool of 62% Sn/26% Pb/ 2& Ag for $5.99.

Is 2% silver content sufficient?

Thanks,
-Scott, N8YY


Re: purchase scope on online Auction good idea?

Ali
 

--- In TekScopes@..., "peterwalker1999" <yahoo@...> wrote:

Ali

I purchased several items from a Go-Dove Auction based in UK (I am in UK).
It was a smooth transaction, and everything was exactly as described, and stated.

However some issues to be wary of!

In the UK all final prices attracted a "buyers Premium" of 16%, plus our VAT (Sales Tax) of 20%.
All items need collecting (business hours only, though I did manage to arrange a weekend collection), or they can be shipped, but in my case they were asking ?180 shipping for four old TTI Quad mode PSU's! They were going to put them on a pallet, and send it comercial road freight! Of course I collected!

Basically this is targeted at businesses, and not really "individual" friendly. I think this company is more interested in the high value items sold to businesses, than low value items sold to individuals. E-mail enquiries also went unanswered!

Just read the Terms and conditions for each auction very carefully, and if you are totaly happy with them then give it a go!

Peter

Thank you for sharing your experinece and thoughts. I contacted them regarding VAT and apparently they waive VAT for non-EU buyers. They also make you to use their recommended logistics service for pick up and shipment.

As you mentioned, I am convinced now that it is unlikely to make economical sense for individuals like me to purchase on this site.

Regards,
Ali


Re: Orphans?

 

Hi ls

I have a Tek 434, use it of and on for the past 20 years.
It's fine for my work (stepper motors, atmel micro controllers, etc)

peter


Re: Source for silver solder for old Tek ceramic strips?

 

The silver bearing solder Tek used was 3% silver.
The 2% would work fine for ocassional repair. (Relacing the same component location something like 20 times may be a problem...)

- Steve

--- In TekScopes@..., David <davidwhess@...> wrote:

The purpose of the silver is to slow down or prevent the tin from
dissolving the silver which is fired onto the strips. I think
Tektronix used 4% silver solder but 2% is better than nothing and I
would not worry about the issue when using it. Some low tin alloys
would work well but they tend to be much more expensive. Using a
lower temperature soldering iron like 600F will help since the
solubility of silver in tin is higher at higher temperatures.

Tektronix usually if not always included a small spool of the silver
solder they used inside of the oscilloscope chassis for working with
the ceramic strips.

On Thu, 4 Oct 2012 14:57:48 -0600, Scott Harris
<scottrharris@...> wrote:

Can anyone recommend a good source for the silver solder required when working on the old Tek Ceramic strips?

While I was typing this email I tried googling again and found that Radio Shack sells a 1 oz spool of 62% Sn/26% Pb/ 2& Ag for $5.99.

Is 2% silver content sufficient?

Thanks,
-Scott, N8YY


Orphans?

 

There have been some models that show up pretty rarely here, notably
the 5030 & 5031 that were few and far between even during their
lifetimes. I wonder, though, about a few others that were not
that rare 35 years ago but seem to have nearly vanished.

Comes to mind:

434 -- 25 MHz bistable storage with a switching supply that predates
the 155-0067 control ic. GE Medical had a bunch of these.

432 -- The 434's non-storage brother

442 -- Much like a T900 series in a metal cabinet

Has anyone collected these portables?

-ls-