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Re: 7912AD Fails start-up self-test (perhaps)
Adrian,
There is a jumper on the A28 board for 525/625 operation of the composite video but it should affect the 7000 plugin readout (CPU generated) and the read gun scanning consistently. There are multiple jumpers for normal or fast scan and these need to be consistent. Pages 4-9 onwards of service manual 2 give all the jumper settings. If my memory is correct the digital display does not show the readout from the plugins. Regards, Roger |
114xx bezzel buttons
I brought home today a 11403A.
But when I got it home the "MENUS" -> Waveforms button had vanished. I can salvage buttons off the stack of 11401 and 11402s that are going in the scrap pile so no problem there. but does anybody know if there's a procedure is there a lip behind the button where maybe the bezel has to come off ? All the years of using 11k scopes this is never happened to me. |
Re: Tek 465 no display
Hi Fabio, Thanks for your comments. The film cap seemed like it was zdded
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as a repair attempt and wasn't particularly large. Maybe 7 mm square and clearly marked 47 mf. Like a small blue chicle. I have lots of similar sized caps for use as tone caps but of less capacitance. They are usually of higher voltage ratings. I believe this one was 63v. Ill check to see if i tossed it. The - 8v is the only rail that is still low. Ill do some further testing tomorrow hopefully. We can get some pretty close lightning strikes during our monsoon season and that can cut into my bench time. My wife is in the states for a month also and it takes allot for me to also keep up with what she does for us too. I did take time to watch Brazil ice Mexico today. We're used to it by now. At least now I know someone from Brazil to congratulate on a good game. Good luck on the next games. I'll report my findings and will certainly have questions, but it seems the logical next step is to clean out the trash in the -8v rail. Thx, Russ On Monday, July 2, 2018, Fabio Trevisan <fabio.tr3visan@...> wrote:
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Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. 99 times out of 10 a blown fuse is not due to a bad fuse..... |
Re: TDS5xx Recap was TDS5xx upgrades/mods
On 2018-07-02 9:04 PM, Miles Paulson wrote:
Got the scope, and upon inspection it does in fact need a recap. Fortunately, I don¡¯t see much carnage. I know for the 24x5 series there is much debate on what series Nichicon or Panasonic caps to use. Is there a preferred cap series to use in these series of scopes? I plan to make a Mouser purchase soon, and want to try to get everything in one swoop.So I suppose I'd better check out the guts of my TDS460A... --Toby |
Re: TDS5xx Recap was TDS5xx upgrades/mods
Got the scope, and upon inspection it does in fact need a recap. Fortunately, I don¡¯t see much carnage. I know for the 24x5 series there is much debate on what series Nichicon or Panasonic caps to use. Is there a preferred cap series to use in these series of scopes? I plan to make a Mouser purchase soon, and want to try to get everything in one swoop.
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Miles Paulson Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 11:57 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] TDS5xx upgrades/mods Thanks for the info! About what I expected though. It seems like the letter scopes are much more popular, probably because of their hackability. I still think I got a good deal on this scope (Paid less than $200 shipped), all it appears to really need is a recapping. I have read about the horror stories about damaged passives and traces, so I hope this one isn¡¯t very bad off. It is supposed to be delivered today, so I will be able to get a better idea later today. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of zenith5106 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 3:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] TDS5xx upgrades/mods On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 12:37 pm, Miles Paulson wrote: TDS520 and TDS540 share most of the hardware so it can be done but probably with more fuss than you want. Since the Acq boards are totally different you will need such a board from a TDS540, TDS540A or TDS544A. You must also be able to load TDS540 firmware and then perform a complete Adjustments procedure which takes hours and require calibration instruments like a DC calibrator and a leveled 500 MHz signal generator. Adding a couple of BNC connectors on the rear panel has to done if you want it to be like a TDS540. As far as I remember there is no VGA connector on the CPU/Display board. /H?kan |
Re: Transistor Full Documentary
No kidding, CWRU offered you a job?? That's my alma mater; I got my BSEE there in 1988.
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Moved out to Southern California 30 years ago this September.? Small world! Jim Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message --------From: Jeff Urban <JURB6006@...> Date: 7/2/18 3:45 PM (GMT-08:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Transistor Full Documentary
Sorry, I only scanned it because I can't sit through something that long. I mean not only mentally, but physically. But, the transistor is one thing that the US does get credit for, period. That and the first fully compatible color TV system. I could go down in the basement and watch it where I have a much better place to sit, but if I am going to spend an hour down there I am going to do something, From what I saw of it, that video should be presented in engineering classes, first year. Give them a connection to the past and realize that everything was not invented in their lifetime. Not all at once, in a half hour class, give them 15 minutes at a time, then have a discussion about it. I was offered $ 35 an hour to teach basic electronics at Case Western Reserve U in Cleveland. I gave it some thought, and while i think it could turn out good, all the other stuff, developing a curriculum, and then tests, and if too may students get a certain question wrong them I must adapt, figure that I failed to teach that part. It would be a job that I took home all the time and I valued my spare time. But yes, I would have had that in there, but first I would have one about vacuum tubes. Actually I would like a transcript of a video like that. I don't really need the visuals. Glad you posted it, I might watch it in spurts, downstairs. In my uncomfortable chair that? is good for my back. Thanks. |
Re: 7854 readout does not conform to specification? (7L5 problem)
H?kan,
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Do you have scans of the Wizards Workshop articles. They sound like an incredibly useful reference. Dave -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of zenith5106 Sent: 02 July 2018 23:02 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 7854 readout does not conform to specification? (7L5 problem) This problem was addressed In a WW (Wizards Workshop) article from 2-85 which |
Re: Looking for Rare Trace Rot/Trace Sep Pot for 556
Does either pot work ? I suspect the separation might be one of their fancy play pots, it moves one pot so much and then the other after like 7 degrees or so of rotation. The trace rotation can usually be subbed anywhere, it should rarely need adjustment. Most of the need for it is because of tolerances in the CRT, not the Earth's magnetic field. if it was the Earth's magnetic field you would see the trace move if you had a speaker next to it, the poles of the Earth are very weak.
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Re: Transistor Full Documentary
Sorry, I only scanned it because I can't sit through something that long. I mean not only mentally, but physically.
But, the transistor is one thing that the US does get credit for, period. That and the first fully compatible color TV system. I could go down in the basement and watch it where I have a much better place to sit, but if I am going to spend an hour down there I am going to do something, From what I saw of it, that video should be presented in engineering classes, first year. Give them a connection to the past and realize that everything was not invented in their lifetime. Not all at once, in a half hour class, give them 15 minutes at a time, then have a discussion about it. I was offered $ 35 an hour to teach basic electronics at Case Western Reserve U in Cleveland. I gave it some thought, and while i think it could turn out good, all the other stuff, developing a curriculum, and then tests, and if too may students get a certain question wrong them I must adapt, figure that I failed to teach that part. It would be a job that I took home all the time and I valued my spare time. But yes, I would have had that in there, but first I would have one about vacuum tubes. Actually I would like a transcript of a video like that. I don't really need the visuals. Glad you posted it, I might watch it in spurts, downstairs. In my uncomfortable chair that is good for my back. Thanks. |
Re: 7854 readout does not conform to specification? (7L5 problem)
On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 01:03 pm, Nenad Filipovic wrote:
This problem was addressed In a WW (Wizards Workshop) article from 2-85 which said it was fixed by Mod 50646. It is only a change of one resistor value in the 7L5: Change R2340 on the Vertical Board (A200A2) from 150k to 49.9k. /H?kan |
Parting out 465 (not B) and a 464
You may have read my previous thread on attempting to repair these, but that is not to be. I've decided to part these out. Probably too heavy/expensive to ship complete (for what you want to pay for them).
465 SN B175976: Was working until I somehow killed the CRT HV circuit, so I believe the other boards work fine. I think the CRT tube and the feet are already claimed (not 100% sure). 464 SN B2000087: Never worked in my hands. I bought it from a guy who said it was stored for more than 10 years. Same problem- no trace, not dot, probably a CRT HV problem as well. Internally, this is the cleanest scope I've ever seen. No feet. If you are interested in any parts from these please contact me in PM or email (stuff@...), NOT on this forum. Make a reasonable offer. If international, don't forget shipping overseas is expensive and time consuming! Keith Ostertag New Albany, IN 47150 |
Re: What are these Tek parts for?
A quick check with my buddy Google shows that Nielsen is still in business.
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The can best tell you where to find the catch, possible provide samples. The self tapping screw is available at any well stocked hardware store, or your junque box from old equipment that you have scrapped and kept the parts. The spacer may be a problem if your are not handy with tools and make your own. Glenn On 7/2/2018 3:34 PM, David Berlind wrote:
wow.. awesome . .thanks for providing that. Yes, would love some photos and --
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Re: Tek on Youtube
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many thanks for this really nice and interesting video. Alessandro Cattaneo Il Luned¨¬ 2 Luglio 2018 7:47, tek_547 <R.Kelbling@...> ha scritto:
Interesting stuff, thanx!! |
7854 readout does not conform to specification? (7L5 problem)
Hi Everybody,
This one is for 7000 series readout experts, hope you're out there somewhere. I have a properly working late model 7854 that I'd like to use with my 7L5 (early serial with old digital board, successfully converted for use in 7854, will post full instructions on this modification later as officially these do not exist for the old 7L5). Everything works fine except the damn level readout that I really, really need because I heavily use the 7854 averaging and math functions. The problem can be split in two points: 1. Incorrect level readout in LIN mode - turning the attenuator should produce the expected 200mV-100mV-50mV-20mV... sequence, but instead 7854 displays 2mV-1mV-5mV-2mV... and so on in circle (zeroes are omitted, units and first digit are fine). 2. 7L5 readout driving circuitry can be slightly modified to fix the mentioned problem, but although that fixes the display perfectly (and is fully compatible with other mainframes using "classic" readout boards), it breaks the ability of the 7854 storage to correctly obtain a scale factor for acquired waveforms. So to summarize: - If readout is broken in 2mV-1mV-5mV-2mV... way, 7854 acquire command (at least) captures the same scale factor (2mV-1mV-5mV-2mV...) - If readout is fixed to show 200mV-100mV-50mV-20mV..., 7854 acquire command displays a warning and sets 1 as the default scale factor I believe the problem is fully on the 7854 side, now for some gritty technical details if you're still with me. 7L5 uses a non-standard (but still technically perfectly correct) mode to display readout, using all 10 time slots (TS1-TS10). For example the word "200mV" in LIN mode would be encoded in the following way: ROW address: 3221115545 COL address: 0003110012 where digit position denotes a time slot (from left to right TS1-TS10). For comparison word "-123dBV" in LOG mode would be: ROW address: 2221115545 COL address: 0062346702 Quick reference to the address table: Column address 0 in TS1 denotes a SKIP operation, it's obvious that the two zeroes in 200mV are coded in TS5 and TS6 (non-standard format) as opposed to standard format that uses TS1 to specify "add one zero" or "add two zeroes" operational addresses. So if 7L5 does a SKIP in TS1, ROW address should make no difference (as long as it's in 1-9 range). On mainframes with classic readout boards (tested on 7633 and 7104) it indeed makes no difference, but on 7854 it painfully breaks stuff: - if ROW=2 in TS1, readout correctly displays 200mV-100mV-50mV-20mV... but storage acquire fails to obtain the scale factor - if ROW=3 in TS1 (7L5 factory default), readout breaks and displays 2mV-1mV-5mV-2mV... storage acquires the (broken) scale factor - if ROW=4,5..9 in TS1, readout correctly displays 200mV-100mV-50mV-20mV... but storage acquire fails to obtain the scale factor 7000/7854 readout specification makes no mention of such nonsense. To add to the confusion, 7L5 service manual mentions Q2325 (page 2-19) that sets ROW=3 in TS1 in LIN mode (although TS1 COL=0 which denotes SKIP), but with no explanation. In LOG mode Q2325 is off and ROW=2. I wonder if all 7L5s (including ones with new digital boards) suffer from this problem in 7854. I already lost weeks trying to fix this and I'm quite disappointed. Conversion to make 7854 capture 7L5 spectrums was piece of cake, but this "tiny" readout bug is a nightmare if you make a lot of average level measurements. If anybody has any hints or extra documentation on 7854 readout, I'd appreciate any help... Best Regards, Nenad Filipovic |
Re: Tek 465 no display
Yep Albert,
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Indeed, it was your post I was referring to... I wasn't sure though, if there was still a misunderstanding that the +55V was at fault. I see now what you mean... and indeed, the shorted decoupling capacitor on the +15V supply doesn't explain (at least, not directly) why the +55V was low until then. If nothing else was burnt, than I suppose that the circuits that are fed from the +55V (I think of Vertical amplifier, which is the main power hog for the +55V), by being improperly biased (due to the absence of the +15V) were maybe drawing too much current from the +55V, causing it to be lowered??? That's just a big question-mark yet to be answered. The absence of the +15V and improper biasing of all its "customers", who knows for how long, may have led to other things burning as well, which may explain the now low voltage of the -8V. Or it may simply be another dreaded tantalum capacitor. Rgrds, Fabio On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 11:52 am, Albert Otten wrote:
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Re: What are these Tek parts for?
wow.. awesome . .thanks for providing that. Yes, would love some photos and
do you know where I can go to get those parts? Or, am I really just subject to digging around the aftermarket? On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 3:29 PM, Colin Herbert via Groups.Io < colingherbert@...> wrote: I have a 7623A with option #8 (the front cover). The catch hooks on the |
Re: What are these Tek parts for?
I have a 7623A with option #8 (the front cover). The catch hooks on the scope itself also have a thicker metal stand-off under the hook. If you can't get the proper items, I can take some measurements and photos to help. The relevant Tek part numbers are:
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105-0390-00 Catch, clamping Nielsen Hardware Corp. Part No. SC-B-83314 213-0119-00 Screw, tapping, 4-24 x 0.375 inch, pan head, steel. Central Screw Co. 361-0480-00 Spacer, latch Tektronix Good Luck, Colin. -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of David Berlind Sent: 02 July 2018 16:58 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] What are these Tek parts for? OK. It appears you are correct about the left part. I now realize that my OS-245 (milspec 7603) is missing the receiving side of the clips to which the cover attaches. I've added photos to the aforementioned online image album <>. So, I'd like to find those clips if someone know where I can get them. Either that, or I'll have to fabricate them. I bump into these sorts of clips all the time (trying to think if there something around the house I can harvest them from). But the other part pictured does not match up to anything I can tell. On Mon, Jul 2, 2018 at 6:43 AM, Colin Herbert via Groups.Io < colingherbert@...> wrote: One of those looks like the front cover for a series-7000 scope (option |
Re: TDS5xx upgrades/mods
Thanks for the info! About what I expected though. It seems like the letter scopes are much more popular, probably because of their hackability. I still think I got a good deal on this scope (Paid less than $200 shipped), all it appears to really need is a recapping. I have read about the horror stories about damaged passives and traces, so I hope this one isn¡¯t very bad off. It is supposed to be delivered today, so I will be able to get a better idea later today.
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of zenith5106 Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2018 3:36 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] TDS5xx upgrades/mods On Sat, Jun 30, 2018 at 12:37 pm, Miles Paulson wrote: TDS520 and TDS540 share most of the hardware so it can be done but probably with more fuss than you want. Since the Acq boards are totally different you will need such a board from a TDS540, TDS540A or TDS544A. You must also be able to load TDS540 firmware and then perform a complete Adjustments procedure which takes hours and require calibration instruments like a DC calibrator and a leveled 500 MHz signal generator. Adding a couple of BNC connectors on the rear panel has to done if you want it to be like a TDS540. As far as I remember there is no VGA connector on the CPU/Display board. /H?kan |
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