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Re: 2247A PSU Troubleshooting
And, come to think of it, latex gloves probably generate electrostatic discharge.? Sensitive components like CMOS logic could be damaged.? I would avoid any kind of gloves while working on electronics.? Maybe ESD-safe finger cots, but I have never seen the need for those.Jim Ford?Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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-------- Original message --------From: Chuck Harris <cfharris@...> Date: 8/27/19 6:52 AM (GMT-08:00) To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] 2247A PSU Troubleshooting You imagine that you are protecting yourself, but yourprotection efforts remind me of the comic routines wheresome hapless character gets dressed in a hazardous wastesuit, complete with a hockey mask, ski goggles, tongs, andoven mitts all to take a soiled diaper out to the trash.A linesman's glove so completely eliminates any dexterity,that safe manipulation of something as tiny as an anodelead is awkward at best... all to protect you from a zapthat is no more potent than a static zap to a doorknob inthe winter.Latex surgeon's gloves during electronic work, is a fool'sfolly beyond belief.? The glove, by virtue of its sealednature will capture your hands sweat, covering them witha highly conductive layer that is capable of reducing yourskin's protective resistance to a point where even 24V couldconduct enough current into your heart to be fatal.Further, DC rarely if ever can cause a heart to enter a fatalrhythm.? It will, at most, skip a beat, and continue on inits normal rhythm.Stop trying to improvise safety, you lack the experience tobe able to recognize safe and unsafe methods.? Instead, pleasestudy some legitimate sources, and learn about HV safety, asit pertains to TV and radio repair.? If you can't, please,please do your friends and family a favor, and take up stampcollecting, or golf.-Chuck Harrisnielsentelecom@... wrote:> Chuck,> > The only use of the linesman glove was to put the HT anode lead somewhere that would hold it from moving, and to keep it away from me. I never implied to wear them while working in electronics, they also have a leather shell glove to protect the linesman glove from damage.> > But I do use latex gloves when doing this work, I'm not relying on them to protect me, but rather to add a weak safety net, since I have them lying around, they improve grip, and add a decent layer of uncertified protection, but they tear easily.> > This reply is a little dated I know, haven't been following the thread for awhile.> > NielsenTelecom
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Re: 2247A PSU Troubleshooting
Chuck Harris
You imagine that you are protecting yourself, but your
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protection efforts remind me of the comic routines where some hapless character gets dressed in a hazardous waste suit, complete with a hockey mask, ski goggles, tongs, and oven mitts all to take a soiled diaper out to the trash. A linesman's glove so completely eliminates any dexterity, that safe manipulation of something as tiny as an anode lead is awkward at best... all to protect you from a zap that is no more potent than a static zap to a doorknob in the winter. Latex surgeon's gloves during electronic work, is a fool's folly beyond belief. The glove, by virtue of its sealed nature will capture your hands sweat, covering them with a highly conductive layer that is capable of reducing your skin's protective resistance to a point where even 24V could conduct enough current into your heart to be fatal. Further, DC rarely if ever can cause a heart to enter a fatal rhythm. It will, at most, skip a beat, and continue on in its normal rhythm. Stop trying to improvise safety, you lack the experience to be able to recognize safe and unsafe methods. Instead, please study some legitimate sources, and learn about HV safety, as it pertains to TV and radio repair. If you can't, please, please do your friends and family a favor, and take up stamp collecting, or golf. -Chuck Harris nielsentelecom@... wrote: Chuck, |
Concordosky curve tracer 576
-----Mensaje original----- De: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] En nombre de Miguel Work Enviado el: domingo, 25 de agosto de 2019 20:53 Para: [email protected] Asunto: Re: [TekScopes] Tek 576 Curve Tracer HV Transformer winding Hi Peter, Mine moves exactly one division too Vert Offset Horiz Pol Max Peak Series Resistor Left/Right 0.5mA 0 50v +NPN 1500v 3k (220W) off (no component) Turn the variable collector supply so the trace reaches to 10 div. What happens to the left end of the trace? Mine moves over 1 div. -----Mensaje original----- De: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] En nombre de peter bunge Enviado el: domingo, 25 de agosto de 2019 18:34 Para: [email protected] Asunto: Re: [TekScopes] Tek 576 Curve Tracer HV Transformer winding This may be of interest to the Tek Group so I am going on line again. I got my 576 working again. It was one of the push-on connectors on the top left board. I have had trouble with those long ago on a 465 scope. I just ran an insulated rod along them until the trace re-appeared. I will have to go around the entire curve tracer with a pair of plyers and pull off and push on each one. It solves many problems. I would appreciate you doing a couple of tests: Vert Offset Horiz Pol Max Peak Series Resistor Left/Right 0.5mA 0 50v +NPN 1500v 3k (220W) off (no component) Turn the variable collector supply so the trace reaches to 10 div. What happens to the left end of the trace? Mine moves over 1 div. Reset to the following with a 2N3565 (high gain NPN) 2uA 0 0.1v +NPN 10v 30 ohm Step Gen, 0.05 uA, Zero, Steps, Rep Norm, 3 steps turn the collector to full scale as shown (1 volt). The first trace is not really dim, it is the camera. Do you see a similar set of curves. I am most interested in the looping. [image: 2N3565.jpg] On Sat, Aug 24, 2019 at 3:11 PM Miguel Work <harrimansat@...> wrote:
I have two 576, if you told me which test you need to compare, I will |
Re: Tek 561 HV transformer
Roy Morgan
Hi,
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If your 561 HV transformer is acting badly, try heating it with a lamp reflector for a day or so to get the moisture out of it. A college instructor whose lab has a number of 561¡¯s did this each summer to get the scopes to run right again for the fall classes. Roy sends. On Aug 26, 2019, at 11:48 PM, atwood.1@... wrote: |
Re: Tek 576 Curve Tracer wanted: Max Peak Volt / Series Resistor mechanical linkage & knobs & Multiplier pot bezel / fixture collar
Be warned, IIRC the linkage that connects between the front panel knobs and
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the spindles on the HV box must be electrically insulating. You so don't want 1kV on the front panel knobs! David -----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Craig Sawyers Sent: 27 August 2019 08:47 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Tek 576 Curve Tracer wanted: Max Peak Volt / Series Resistor mechanical linkage & knobs & Multiplier pot bezel / fixture collar I've just checked my spares unit, and it is also missing the dual knobs! Craig -----Original Message-----Resistor mechanical linkage & knobs & Multiplier pot bezel / fixture collarpanel ? that extends about 2" behinddetailed diagram of this ? instrument ! -- How is this Pot re-afixed to the front panel ? |
Re: Tek 576 Curve Tracer wanted: Max Peak Volt / Series Resistor mechanical linkage & knobs & Multiplier pot bezel / fixture collar
Craig Sawyers
I've just checked my spares unit, and it is also missing the dual knobs!
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Re: Tek 576 Curve Tracer wanted: Max Peak Volt / Series Resistor mechanical linkage & knobs & Multiplier pot bezel / fixture collar
Rick,
I cannot help with the first item. Speaking to the second item. The offset pot is held by a plastic cup which is affixed behind the knobs of the pot. This plastic part is not available, except by pure luck or good fortune. I had to actually make one for my Type 576 on my lathe from a block of Delrin nylon. It takes quite some time to duplicate this part, but it can be done. Best of luck in your search. -- Michael Lynch Dardanelle, AR |
Tek 576 Curve Tracer wanted: Max Peak Volt / Series Resistor mechanical linkage & knobs & Multiplier pot bezel / fixture collar
hi,
Does anyone know about the following mechanical bits on 576 CT front panel ? a) Max Peak Volt / Series Resistor linkage mechanism: I am missing the dual knobs for this & the mechanical (coaxial ?) linkage that extends about 2" behind the front panel to the actual rotary switch inside. -- Does anyone have a spare linkage unit with the two outer knobs or a detailed diagram of this ? b) The Multiplier Pot with its silver fine gradation knob: my Multiplier Pot has been pushed in all the way, hanging inside the instrument ! -- How is this Pot re-afixed to the front panel ? Is there a retention ring, bezel, collar or something ? -- Does anyone have these bits or a detailed diagram ? thank you, rick |
Re: Tektronix 585A Voltage Diagnoses Problem edited
Hi Randolph,
You checked all the tubes, but also the voltage reference tube V609? Should measure about 85 V. The grid voltages of V 624 should be approximately equal, well within 1 V or so. The voltage at the grids should be what you expect from the divider R615/616/617 with "your" -150V. If the fault is elsewhere then likely you will find grid pin 7 far too negative and pin 6 (anode) far too positive, almost at "your" +100V. Then continue with V634. Is the screen voltage about normal (not very negative)? And so on (for now). Albert |
Re: 2247A PSU Troubleshooting
Chuck,
The only use of the linesman glove was to put the HT anode lead somewhere that would hold it from moving, and to keep it away from me. I never implied to wear them while working in electronics, they also have a leather shell glove to protect the linesman glove from damage. But I do use latex gloves when doing this work, I'm not relying on them to protect me, but rather to add a weak safety net, since I have them lying around, they improve grip, and add a decent layer of uncertified protection, but they tear easily. This reply is a little dated I know, haven't been following the thread for awhile. NielsenTelecom |
Re: 11801C and the T1331 error: lost factory TB calibration data.
Mine has it and it's documented in the 11801 user and service manuals. The user reference manual on p 42 says:
"The signal from the calibrator output is a 250 mV square wave with a rise time of approximately 20 ps and a period of approximately 10 us." I did a lot of work with it and my SD-26s until I found the SD-24. It was what go me hooked. |
Re: 2213A Novice, unsolved anomaly encountered, documented & video
Thank you for sharing your experiences!
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On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 12:38 PM guy232 <gry.russel@...> wrote:
Apologies for the delay in updating, was a bit under the weather. |
Re: 2213A Novice, unsolved anomaly encountered, documented & video
Apologies for the delay in updating, was a bit under the weather.
Months ago I initially used a 5x mag lens to investigate the solder joints in the PS areas. Didn't see any issues. Last week when I got back to working on this, I remembered I had a cheap $20 usb microscope laying around. Discovered very tiny cracks on all 3 pads on both Q946 and Q947. C907 had crack on the component side of the board (the bottom was not cracked) hosted pics of cracks: IPA scrubbed, dried, applied some amtech flux and reflowed the joints. Also swapped out C956, I was using the original mallory cap due to ordering the incorrect cap the first time. Used a new Nichicon UHW 330uF 50V that I had on hand. I seen that C956 is listed as +10-100% and believe this is a workable low impedance choice. If not, i'd appreciate any insight on the matter. Powered up, the shrinking H and V issue and extreme intensity change fail states no longer occurs. The only fault that I notice is that the traces just barely pulse brightness (as if you were just barely turning the intensity knob by 1-2 degrees back and forth) after 3-5min, they remains steady for until powered down. Going to microscope a bit more and use a long wooden dowel to gently tap around while the unit is running as David Hess mentioned on my project thread on eevblog. P.S.: Just adding a link to the project thread on eevblog in case it helps anyone in the future etc. |
Re: Tektronix 585A Voltage Diagnoses Problem edited
Chuck Harris
Hi Randolph,
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There is no reason to expect the plugin would pull the voltages off their mark. Get the -150V right and everything else should fall into line. -Chuck Harris randolphbeebe@... wrote: Hi Chuck, |
Re: Tektronix 585A Voltage Diagnoses Problem edited
Thanks Roy,
My 585A does not have the black beauties but the red Erie caps that tested good in circuit. I replaced them all anyway this morning just in case there was cumulative leakage problems. No improvement yet so I will keep digging. I will post a schematic when I figure out how to. Randy |
Re: Tektronix 585A Voltage Diagnoses Problem edited
Hi Chuck,
The scope has a CA plug-in right now with a type 81A adapter. I am pretty sure all is good with the plug-in because the scope responds to the vertical position and input etc. I have a couple of the Type 81A adapters, I wonder if the present one may be causing problems. Thanks for the |
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