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Re: 453 scope fan wiring help needed!

Phillip Potter
 

Hi Dave,

Yeah, there's a cap involved, for sure... will have to research is... tomorrow!

Thanks,

Phil

On 3/30/2018 6:37 PM, Artekmedia wrote:
There is a starter capacitor involved


Re: 453 scope fan wiring help needed!

 

I have never looked at the fans on mine so I cant help with that. But... FYI the 453's sound like tiny jet planes.


Re: 453 scope fan wiring help needed!

 

Phil
Lets see if this makes sense

There is a starter capacitor involved . 3 wire for the motor and 1 wire for the starter cap I think
the other starter cap wire is common to the motor

-DC

On 3/30/2018 9:17 PM, Phillip Potter wrote:
Hi all,

The fan on my scope was very noisy, so I pulled the back apart and got the fan apart from the shroud, only to find that the wiring is soldered in with no way to get the fan out to work on it.? So.... I cut the wires. Now, in the process of returning it to the scope, I've been reconnecting the wires, BUT in my clumsy style I managed to pull the shortest of the four (the black one) out of the back while attempting to strip it!? Grrrr.

So, now I can't tell where the wire connects to the scope!? I have three different schematics (manuals) and NONE of the three show a fan with FOUR wires!!!? Only three...... What the heck?!?

Is there anyone here who can shed some light on what I should do now?? That is... after I shoot myself!

Thanks in advance for anything you can suggest.

Phil



--
Dave
Manuals@...
www.ArtekManuals.com


453 scope fan wiring help needed!

Phillip Potter
 

Hi all,

The fan on my scope was very noisy, so I pulled the back apart and got the fan apart from the shroud, only to find that the wiring is soldered in with no way to get the fan out to work on it.? So.... I cut the wires. Now, in the process of returning it to the scope, I've been reconnecting the wires, BUT in my clumsy style I managed to pull the shortest of the four (the black one) out of the back while attempting to strip it!? Grrrr.

So, now I can't tell where the wire connects to the scope!? I have three different schematics (manuals) and NONE of the three show a fan with FOUR wires!!!? Only three...... What the heck?!?

Is there anyone here who can shed some light on what I should do now?? That is... after I shoot myself!

Thanks in advance for anything you can suggest.

Phil


Re: 2215 With Intermittent Bright Trace and Flashing Neon Bulbs

 

Jeff,

Thanks for the tips. It's easy to see the back of the CRT socket in the 2215; not so easy to see the CRT side of the socket unless I pull the CRT shield off.

Perhaps I should also look at the potential across DS 870. It would just be my luck that the neon bulb is out so I'm missing the full story.

Thanks for the help.


Re: 2215 With Intermittent Bright Trace and Flashing Neon Bulbs

 

Dave,

The HV meter I used for the -2KV cathode measurement has a 40KV full range, so very possible I didn't see the -2KV move the needle. I'll have to see which type of preregulator it has. I noticed the possibility of either in the service manual.

I'll take a look at the DC restorer in a dark room to see if anything is arcing or glowing. Thanks for the tips.


Re: Tek 7623A - Lowest HF Step response adjustment issue (Mid Frequency Lacking)

 

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 01:26 pm, Fabio Trevisan wrote:


8. Last, but not least, while checking the waveforms at the bases and emitters
of Q2441 and Q2541, the looked rather different (the peak-peak amplitude at
one of them was much bigger than the other (about double)...
However, there's no distinguishable difference of the waveforms at their
collectors (maybe because they are balancing out?)
Taking both transistors out, and testing them on my AVR transistor tester, one
showed distinctively different than the other, more than I would consider
normal for 2 transistors being used on a complementary stage like this.
A difference of almost 20mV in Vbe (one have 700mV the other 720mV), and a
difference of about 30% of hFE (one have 35, the other almost 50).

Questions:
B. Can those transistors be causing the problem? What would be a modern,
currently available equivalent to an A5T4261 transistor?
It's a 2GHz fT; 2.5pF Ccb; >30hFE; 12V VCEmax, 80mA Icmax
Fabio, 151-0271-00 is not a matched pair, so Tek didn't judge that necessary . 20 mV difference is not important at all since these transistors are current driven at the emitter. The transistors in the previous pair Q2405/2505 have (or should have) enough headroom in Vce (maybe check this). This also explains that you see no difference in collector signal. Difference in hfe could do more harm perhaps, though I also doubt this.
A suitable replacement would be 2N4261. Sphere has a few new in stock under 151-0434-00, $6 each. In the cross ref also listed as 151-0271-00.

Albert


Re: An actually rare Tektronix item

 

The one on ebay could have also been bought at the country store and taken home by anybody from a high school kid to a 7000 series design engineer.

Bob.

On 3/30/2018 11:35 AM, ROLYNN PRECHTL K7DFW wrote:
I was hoping someone could say, "I used one when I was at tek", or "I bought mine at the country store"...
I guessed from the dimensions and hardware that it was probably a 585, or similar... the 585 would have one of the biggest transformers of the common 500 series.

also guessed that it was simply the bottom of the 585, as that is where all the power supply stuff was located.
Seems smaller than a 500 series scope, though.

======================================================================

Mine came via the Country Store.

Deane Kidd supplied me with the nine page hand drawn schematics and calculations that CAL HUNGEL produced dated 09-10-59, 09-11-59, 09-18-59 and 07-28-60. HUNGEL noted that the transformer would be from a 545 or a 585.

My memory is telling me that the main frame is from yet a different 500 series unit. My E-PS is on the bottom of a stack so I'll not be looking for what I feel is there. I remember that there are part numbers or other information to show which scope donated the frame.

It measures 11x8x21 HWD so it is definitely not of the 545/585 size. From my memory of ~25 years ago when I purchased it, there seems to be a number 'three' in the donor, like 503 or 530 or?


Rolynn
Tek Bvtn and Sunset 1966-1971


Re: Back feet for 335 scope

Phillip Potter
 

Hi Jeff,

Just a quick note to let you know that I received the 335 back feet and they are "perfect!" in fit and finish.? The included screws and washers are "icing on the cake" and make it even better!

I will be setting up for some photographs in the near future.

Thanks,

Phil

On 3/30/2018 6:59 AM, Jeff Davis wrote:
I uploaded the photos taken from having the feet installed on Bert's 314 to the photo gallery this morning. The album name is "Tektronix 314 and 335 Replacement Feet"


Jeff

________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of toby@... <toby@...>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 1:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] Back feet for 335 scope

On 2018-03-29 3:19 PM, Jeff Davis wrote:
Hi Bert,


I think you want to send the photos to me, not Lee (Lee was test fitting the feet on his 335). I was the one who
sent you the samples. You can send the photos to me at n0dyjeff@... or jeff@....


Thanks!

Jeff

It might be good to post pics to the gallery here, for other people
contemplating ordering replacement feet?

--T







Re: An actually rare Tektronix item

 

I was hoping someone could say, "I used one when I was at tek", or "I bought mine at the country store"...

I guessed from the dimensions and hardware that it was probably a 585, or similar... the 585 would have one of the biggest transformers of the common 500 series.

also guessed that it was simply the bottom of the 585, as that is where all the power supply stuff was located.

Seems smaller than a 500 series scope, though.

======================================================================

Mine came via the Country Store.

Deane Kidd supplied me with the nine page hand drawn schematics and calculations that CAL HUNGEL produced dated 09-10-59, 09-11-59, 09-18-59 and 07-28-60. HUNGEL noted that the transformer would be from a 545 or a 585.

My memory is telling me that the main frame is from yet a different 500 series unit. My E-PS is on the bottom of a stack so I'll not be looking for what I feel is there. I remember that there are part numbers or other information to show which scope donated the frame.

It measures 11x8x21 HWD so it is definitely not of the 545/585 size. From my memory of ~25 years ago when I purchased it, there seems to be a number 'three' in the donor, like 503 or 530 or?


Rolynn
Tek Bvtn and Sunset 1966-1971


Re: An actually rare Tektronix item

 

David G emailed me the schematics and they're on Tekwiki now:


Re: An actually rare Tektronix item

Chuck Harris
 

Thanks.

I was hoping someone could say, "I used one when
I was at tek", or "I bought mine at the country
store"...

I guessed from the dimensions and hardware that
it was probably a 585, or similar... the 585
would have one of the biggest transformers of
the common 500 series.

I also guessed that it was simply the bottom of
the 585, as that is where all the power supply
stuff was located.

Seems smaller than a 500 series scope, though.

-Chuck Harris

David G. wrote:

I actually have the TEK documentation on this unit as I have one on my bench.

I did share as much as I could on the wiki, but was not able to upload the schematics. I acquired mine through an ex-TEK employee whom brought it home from the company store decades ago.

Stan Griffiths and I determined it to roughly be a PSU rack from the Type 585 Oscilloscope.

Very nice piece for gear really.

Hope it helps.

Cheers,

David


Re: An actually rare Tektronix item

 

If you would like to add schematics or other documents to Tekwiki, feel free to contact me by email. Editing the wiki directly isn't necessary. I'm happy to do whatever it takes to get the documents onto the Web.


Re: An actually rare Tektronix item

 

I actually have the TEK documentation on this unit as I have one on my bench.

I did share as much as I could on the wiki, but was not able to upload the schematics. I acquired mine through an ex-TEK employee whom brought it home from the company store decades ago.

Stan Griffiths and I determined it to roughly be a PSU rack from the Type 585 Oscilloscope.

Very nice piece for gear really.

Hope it helps.

Cheers,

David

On Mar 30, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Chuck Harris <cfharris@...> wrote:

Nice to say, but could you explain how you know?

-Chuck Harris

Pete Lancashire wrote:
It is Tek

-pete ex tekkie

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 8:55 AM Chuck Harris <cfharris@...> wrote:

I have a bit of doubt that tektronix had anything
to do with that supply. It looks more to me like
something someone bodged together out of an old
scope.


Re: An actually rare Tektronix item

Chuck Harris
 

Nice to say, but could you explain how you know?

-Chuck Harris

Pete Lancashire wrote:

It is Tek

-pete ex tekkie

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 8:55 AM Chuck Harris <cfharris@...> wrote:

I have a bit of doubt that tektronix had anything
to do with that supply. It looks more to me like
something someone bodged together out of an old
scope.


Re: An actually rare Tektronix item

 

The TU-50 was built the same way. It was a 105 Square Wave Generator, a 180 Timing Mark Generator, and a 190 Constant-Amplitude Sine Wave Generator, all crammed into one 500-series cabinet.

Dave Wise
________________________________________
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Pete Lancashire <xyzzypdx@...>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2018 8:56 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] An actually rare Tektronix item

It is Tek

-pete ex tekkie

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 8:55 AM Chuck Harris <cfharris@...> wrote:

I have a bit of doubt that tektronix had anything
to do with that supply. It looks more to me like
something someone bodged together out of an old
scope.

If you look on the front panel, which is where the
bottom of the scope it was built in would be, there
is a scar that is typical of a bottom of a scope.

The only thing that looks tektronix to me is the
knobs, case, and logo on the panel. The panel looks
to me to be hand lettered using rub on letters.

-Chuck Harris


Re: An actually rare Tektronix item

 

It is Tek

-pete ex tekkie

On Fri, Mar 30, 2018, 8:55 AM Chuck Harris <cfharris@...> wrote:

I have a bit of doubt that tektronix had anything
to do with that supply. It looks more to me like
something someone bodged together out of an old
scope.

If you look on the front panel, which is where the
bottom of the scope it was built in would be, there
is a scar that is typical of a bottom of a scope.

The only thing that looks tektronix to me is the
knobs, case, and logo on the panel. The panel looks
to me to be hand lettered using rub on letters.

-Chuck Harris

Michael A. Terrell wrote:
Well designed test fixtures are an asset to any company. One of my
former employers cut corners on their in house fixtures, and it cost us a
lot more than proper fixtures would have. Some needed constant repairs, and
were built from samples, or obsolete inventory so there were no spare
parts. Another problem was that some employees that they could modify them
on a whim, since there were no control documents. I'm sure that somewhere
documents existed for that item at Tektronix, and it might even be in that
microfiche library at the museum.




Re: An actually rare Tektronix item

Chuck Harris
 

I have a bit of doubt that tektronix had anything
to do with that supply. It looks more to me like
something someone bodged together out of an old
scope.

If you look on the front panel, which is where the
bottom of the scope it was built in would be, there
is a scar that is typical of a bottom of a scope.

The only thing that looks tektronix to me is the
knobs, case, and logo on the panel. The panel looks
to me to be hand lettered using rub on letters.

-Chuck Harris

Michael A. Terrell wrote:

Well designed test fixtures are an asset to any company. One of my former employers cut corners on their in house fixtures, and it cost us a lot more than proper fixtures would have. Some needed constant repairs, and were built from samples, or obsolete inventory so there were no spare parts. Another problem was that some employees that they could modify them on a whim, since there were no control documents. I'm sure that somewhere documents existed for that item at Tektronix, and it might even be in that microfiche library at the museum.


Re: The vintageTEK Museum needs your help

 

One thing I've not seen mentioned. Has anyone talked to the Computer
History folks, Al Kossow <aek@...>, and/or J?rg Hoppe <
j_hoppe@...>?

I'm left with the impression that they've worked on this problem (alot)
with the DEC Microfiche. It doesn't appear to be as simple as slapping
things on a scanner and letting fly....

J?rg has a site here:
that may help minimize travelling down roads already traveled.

Perhaps they can at least offer advice to the project....

David


On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 3:20 AM, Michael A. Terrell <
mike.terrell@...> wrote:

The last time that I checked, my local library was using microfilm on
reels, not Microfiche. Even they were confused by the name, and I was going
to donate the two Microfiche viewers that I have. Luckily, I took a look at
their machines before lugging mine in.

-----Original Message-----
From: John Griessen <john@...>
Sent: Mar 29, 2018 10:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] The vintageTEK Museum needs your help

I think both have moved on from that era. Our Austin American Statesman
newspaper was bought out in 76 when I was studying at UT by Cox media,
related to Cox Cable, and became a generic paper with some local color.
they just print articles by the big remaining papers and the wire
services, plus a few columnists.
A few years ago the local building emptied and the paper is printed
somewhere else.

No machines there. The public library is going virtual in a big way.

They rent as many as 60 copies of Blu-ray discs, then circulate 3, 2, 1
depending on popularity. They moved the main library location to a new
trendy spot by the river and probably lost a lot of heavy stuff -- that
was 6 months ago.

Other towns may be less speedy than Austin, but the end is near for
the niche market machines that transcribe from one phase of media to the
next.

Microfiche ?
MIcrofish ?
Microsquish ?
MICR checks ?
Satire ? [still a little of that left thankfully]
Michael A. Terrell




Re: An actually rare Tektronix item

 

Well designed test fixtures are an asset to any company. One of my former employers cut corners on their in house fixtures, and it cost us a lot more than proper fixtures would have. Some needed constant repairs, and were built from samples, or obsolete inventory so there were no spare parts. Another problem was that some employees that they could modify them on a whim, since there were no control documents. I'm sure that somewhere documents existed for that item at Tektronix, and it might even be in that microfiche library at the museum.

-----Original Message-----
From: Richard Solomon <dickw1ksz@...>
Sent: Mar 30, 2018 10:46 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [TekScopes] An actually rare Tektronix item

That most definitely was NOT done
by Tektronix.

Too bad, nice piece, even without
any documentation.

73, Dick, W1KSZ
Michael A. Terrell