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Re: 1S1 Serial No. 100396 Guernsey

 

Sampling scopes have DC offset, which may be a multi-turn or a coarse/fine control.This could drive the trace way off screen.Does it behave the same in both plugin slots ?
Since you said you were not familiar with samplers, I'll point out that the input is 50 ohms.
?HankC, Boston
WA1HOS


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Re: Help in using TEK Differential Amp to check Switchmode Supplies

 

On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 15:20:51 you wrote:
On 11/19/2014 2:32 PM, Stefan Trethan stefan_trethan@... [TekScopes]


Has anyone on this list tried the 100X 2KV probes from China?

Thanks,
Bert
I have one, I use it with a 485. Pretty satisfied with it. I consider it
"basic equipment". I have taken it up to 2.6KV working on Z axis circuits with
no ill effects.

I see them with higher voltage ratings too. I'm thinking of one as a stocking
stuffer for myself.

Mike


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Re: Help in using TEK Differential Amp to check Switchmode Supplies

 

On 11/19/2014 2:32 PM, Stefan Trethan stefan_trethan@... [TekScopes]
wrote:

On a flyback supply that is the truth, yes.
Up to 800V Mosfets, are not uncommon.

Apart from the voltage rating, x10 may mean no more than 50V/DIV on
some scopes, making it completely impractical to use an x10 probe for
230V work, depending on the scope.

ST

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:22 PM, David Thomas
101322.3271@... [TekScopes] <TekScopes@...>
wrote:
"... adequate for 240 VAC work which is unlikely to produce higher than
+/- 340 volts DC...."

Erm, guys, if these are switched mode supplies on a 240V system, when
the switching transistor switches OFF, peak voltage on the switching
transistor &#92; primary winding can easily reach 500 volts or more! (I know
- I have had to design them and specify the Vds max of the switching
FET... we used to fit 600V Vds max for 230 &#92; 240V....). Think "car
ignition coil" on the primary side of the "transformer"....

A 240V supply might only produce 340VDC on the bulk cap, though....


David Thomas


On 16/11/2014 11:40, David davidwhess@... [TekScopes] wrote:
1. The x10 P6055 probes have adjustable DC attenuation but are only
rated to +/-
500 volts peak although I would consider this adequate for 240 VAC
work which is
unlikely to produce higher than +/- 340 volts DC. I do not have any
documentation on these probes.
Has anyone on this list tried the 100X 2KV probes from China?

Thanks,
Bert








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Re: Help in using TEK Differential Amp to check Switchmode Supplies

Stefan Trethan
 

On a flyback supply that is the truth, yes.
Up to 800V Mosfets, are not uncommon.

Apart from the voltage rating, x10 may mean no more than 50V/DIV on
some scopes, making it completely impractical to use an x10 probe for
230V work, depending on the scope.

ST

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:22 PM, David Thomas
101322.3271@... [TekScopes] <TekScopes@...>
wrote:

"... adequate for 240 VAC work which is unlikely to produce higher than
+/- 340 volts DC...."

Erm, guys, if these are switched mode supplies on a 240V system, when
the switching transistor switches OFF, peak voltage on the switching
transistor &#92; primary winding can easily reach 500 volts or more! (I know
- I have had to design them and specify the Vds max of the switching
FET... we used to fit 600V Vds max for 230 &#92; 240V....). Think "car
ignition coil" on the primary side of the "transformer"....

A 240V supply might only produce 340VDC on the bulk cap, though....


David Thomas


On 16/11/2014 11:40, David davidwhess@... [TekScopes] wrote:
1. The x10 P6055 probes have adjustable DC attenuation but are only
rated to +/-
500 volts peak although I would consider this adequate for 240 VAC
work which is
unlikely to produce higher than +/- 340 volts DC. I do not have any
documentation on these probes.






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Re: Help in using TEK Differential Amp to check Switchmode Supplies

 

"... adequate for 240 VAC work which is unlikely to produce higher than
+/- 340 volts DC...."

Erm, guys, if these are switched mode supplies on a 240V system, when
the switching transistor switches OFF, peak voltage on the switching
transistor &#92; primary winding can easily reach 500 volts or more! (I know
- I have had to design them and specify the Vds max of the switching
FET... we used to fit 600V Vds max for 230 &#92; 240V....). Think "car
ignition coil" on the primary side of the "transformer"....

A 240V supply might only produce 340VDC on the bulk cap, though....


David Thomas

On 16/11/2014 11:40, David davidwhess@... [TekScopes] wrote:
1. The x10 P6055 probes have adjustable DC attenuation but are only
rated to +/-
500 volts peak although I would consider this adequate for 240 VAC
work which is
unlikely to produce higher than +/- 340 volts DC. I do not have any
documentation on these probes.


1S1 temperamentalisms re #100396

Tim Phillips
 

from Tim P (UK)
re the difficulty triggering these beasts, I have four - one works perfectly, one 'sort-a-works' with a fast trigger, one is very iffy and the other one has never worked, and is effectively a parts-donor. I agree that a fast, sharp trigger is needed; mine usually work OK with a PG501. I suspect that the TDs in the trigger-recogniser circuit may have drifted. Also there is a (I think) blanking trace which is deflected off-screen downwards but can be seen with too much offset or Vpos. It is much dimmer than the correct trace. HTH
Tim


Re: Windows (OT)

 

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 11:07 AM, David DiGiacomo <telists@...> wrote:
Type this in a command window:

reg add HKLM&#92;SYSTEM&#92;WPA&#92;POSReady /v Installed /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f

Then run Windows Update/Microsoft Update as normal.
Hmm, Windows Update is temporarily (?) broken, at least for some people:



Automatic updates seem to be working though.


Re: Windows (OT)

John Griessen
 

On 11/19/2014 12:07 PM, David DiGiacomo telists@... [TekScopes] wrote:
. . . &#92;POSReady

So, is that a Microsoft update for the point of sale crowd that is still supported?

If so, neato!


Re: Windows (OT)

 

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 10:57 AM, John Griessen <john@...> wrote:

Someone mentioned still using WinXP and updates to it that are available, even though
Microsoft has abandoned it. Where to look?


Type this in a command window:

reg add HKLM&#92;SYSTEM&#92;WPA&#92;POSReady /v Installed /t REG_DWORD /d 1 /f

Then run Windows Update/Microsoft Update as normal.


Windows (OT)

John Griessen
 

Someone mentioned still using WinXP and updates to it that are available, even though
Microsoft has abandoned it. Where to look?


Re: scanned: Allen-Bradley Ferrites

 

Thanks Kurt, interesting data!
Albert


Re: Testing Electrolythics and ordering replacements

 

yes, I too thank you for the heads up, and have ordered the kit. Can
you tell me how it does as a ESR meter?

"Having sex is like playing bridge. If you don't have a good partner,
you'd better have a good hand"
--Woody Allen--


Tektronix 585A, Free to good home

 

Free Tek 585A (s/n 009721) on cart.
It was working last time I checked but needs some TLC.
It is complete, free to anyone who can pick it up. You must take cart also.


I have no time to devote to this project.


Thanks,
Victor Silva
203-233-8902
In Watertown CT.


Re: 1S1 Serial No. 100396 Guernsey

 

It's important to point out that sampling plug-ins drive the horizontal display of the scope.
Make sure it's connected to the scope the right way.
There's a free run setting for the trigger. I haven't used a 1S1 in a while, I don't really know anymore what free run does, but let's try that.
I recall you can display a line with no input.


Re: Weird cursor problem on 2465 scope

 

It turned out to be a faulty C853 on the main board. I put a DMM across it in circuit and got about 300 ohms, even when I reversed the leads. That seemed suspicious to me so I lifted one of the leads. Still measured 300ish ohms. Did a quick capacitance check and instead of 0.47uf, I got 0.02nf. Not a happy capacitor.

Congrats on finding your issue.
I guess if panos' 2445 has the same issue, a quick way to diagnose it would be to measure the DLY_REF line resistance ground and the -1.25V "rail".
The easiest way to do it is probably by disconnecting P511 from the A5 board, and measuring at the connector.


Re: TEK 2236 sweep problem

 

I see a cable with a toroid on it and the connector is hanging loose. It is near the high voltage lead. I will find out where it goes. Could it be THIS simple?


Re: Weird cursor problem on 2465 scope

 

There was a recent note on a similar failure here <>. A1C712 is a .47uF ceramic, gone leaky here to compromise sweeps.


scanned: Allen-Bradley Ferrites

 






Re: 1S1 Serial No. 100396 Guernsey

 

This sounds awfully similar to the behaviour of the 7S11/7T11 combination
when it isn't triggering. It doesn't really semm to have an "Auto" mode,
and dives off screen (downwards) if you don't get the stability/trigger
controls set right. If find it very tricky to get a decent trigger every
time I use them.

Regards,
David Partridge

-----Original Message-----
From: TekScopes@... [mailto:TekScopes@...]
Sent: 19 November 2014 13:29
To: TekScopes@...
Subject: [TekScopes] Re: 1S1 Serial No. 100396 Guernsey

Also,

I have a couple of these 1S1's and get the same response from both. So,
either they both share the same fault or more likely, I don't know how the
heck to run my scope. I suspect the latter. But anything is possible I
suppose. I am at first trying to determine which of the two plug-ins to
restore. Then I can go from there.


I do have an extension cable for the scope and plug-in, but had not wanted
to move forward until I spoke with you all here. My next step was going to
be just go through the CAL procedure and check all the power supplies in the
PI and hopefully reveal something there. I would like to at least try to
get this "trace to appear, as the restoration might be simple. HA!!!


Thanks for the help folks.


Cheers,


David










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Re: 1S1 Serial No. 100396 Guernsey

 

What about a visual inspection? Are you missing parts?