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Re: Bilge Pump

tartan27plee
 

That is what I have on mine "whale super sub 500". I worked at SAIL magazine and we
started this pump, it's great, small, and affordable.

Paul

--- In T27Owners@..., "chrisd4700" <chrisd4700@...> wrote:

Gents,

I've been meaning to ask... with such a narrow bilge area on each side
of the centerboard trunk... what are you using as your bilge pump.
Electric Bilge pump. I have a manual that has a hose down into that
area but I want to hook up an electric one to work while I'm away from
the boat.

I have a tiny leak around my rudder post and it only lets in an inch
or two over a heavy rain, but I don't want water / moisture sitting in
there and around motor.

the whale super sub 500 has a great review and seems slim enough to
fit the area. Thoughts?

Thanks
C #466


Re: Bilge Pump

 

If I recall, I have a 500 Rule that checks for water every ten mins.
or so.
Hose runs out the transom a little higher than the exhaust.
Steve K.
#196

--- In T27Owners@..., "chrisd4700" <chrisd4700@...> wrote:

Gents,

I've been meaning to ask... with such a narrow bilge area on each
side
of the centerboard trunk... what are you using as your bilge pump.
Electric Bilge pump. I have a manual that has a hose down into that
area but I want to hook up an electric one to work while I'm away
from
the boat.

I have a tiny leak around my rudder post and it only lets in an inch
or two over a heavy rain, but I don't want water / moisture sitting
in
there and around motor.

the whale super sub 500 has a great review and seems slim enough to
fit the area. Thoughts?

Thanks
C #466


Re: Deck Recoring Project

 

You go Bob !!!
Steve K.


--- In T27Owners@..., "Bob" <screeminbob@...> wrote:

I got the "deck area in front of (aft) the companion way" (Alright
all you Nautical Lexicon Ponderers, whats it called?) epoxied in
yesterday. I had my shade and fan all set this time. went much more
smoothly. One thing to consider is this piece of deck is not flat.
It
has a bit of horizontal curve to it, sloping from the center out to
the toe rail. I noticed it befor I started so was prepared for it.
The 1/2" marine ply took the curve no problem but I did have to add
some good weight to the ends to hold them down. Two 5 gallon
buckets
full of wet sand worked very nicely in conjunction with my paint
cans. One edge was slightly higher than I wanted, but will fair out
just fine when I do the seams. I finished a full gallon of west
system epoxy right on the last needed batch. How's that for close?
So
I got the cockpit floor and this deck area with one full gallon of
105/206. It's makes one warm and fuzzy all over when you step on
your
freshly recored deck and it doesn't squish! Today I am going to cut
into the side deck. I'll let you know how it goes, stay tuned, same
Tartan channel, same Tartan time.
Bob
SV Gabba Hey
1964 #90



--- In T27Owners@..., "Bob" <screeminbob@> wrote:

I added afew more pictures of my progress. Got new plywood cut
and
fitted today. The deck is a wierd composition. Basically 3 types
of
deck laminate. One is straight fiberglass, the second is
fiberglassed
with end grain balsa, and the third is fiberglass with plywood.
The
non cored is obvious as it is thinner than the rest of the deck
and
makes a nice solid sound when tapped with a plastic hammer. The
balsa
and plywood cored deck is indistinguishable from each other but
make
a more hollow thunk (especially where it's mush). I am finding
that
some areas that I expect to be all balsa is both balsa and
plywood.
I've been lucky so far that non of the plywood really needs
replacing. But I have ended up doing the ply areas that I thought
were balsa. The area in front of the companion way (or aft of the
companionway) is a mix of both. The coring stops at the edge of
the
companion way before the icebox hatch but extends all the way to
the
side deck on starboard side. I cut all the way over, but had I
known
I would have saved the little bit of side deck to do with the
rest
of
the side deck. Again I expected balsa but instead the bit of side
deck is ply. I'm sure there is balsa further up though next to
the
cabin. I also imagine that as the years went on the actual coring
plan probably changed. so one might want to drill for a smaple
before
cutting specific areas. In the end it will all be solid and won't
really matter I guess.
Bob
SV Gabba Hey
1964 #90


Bilge Pump

 

Gents,

I've been meaning to ask... with such a narrow bilge area on each side
of the centerboard trunk... what are you using as your bilge pump.
Electric Bilge pump. I have a manual that has a hose down into that
area but I want to hook up an electric one to work while I'm away from
the boat.

I have a tiny leak around my rudder post and it only lets in an inch
or two over a heavy rain, but I don't want water / moisture sitting in
there and around motor.

the whale super sub 500 has a great review and seems slim enough to
fit the area. Thoughts?

Thanks
C #466


Re: Coring

 

YA...YA...YA...
I should have reread the entire topic to get hints to my questions.
It seems all our boats might be a little different, just hopeing
that "Ray" kind of did things the same way on most boats.
I had the pleasure of preping my boat for my first launch in his
Fairport Harbor boat yard. I remember he treated me like one of his
workers and walking by would stop and comment on what I was doing
right or wrong, mostly wrong, great guy, a "my way or the highway"
type, must be why we still have our boats where others are junk or
sunk !
I wish I could have talked more T27 tid bits with him.
Steve K.



--- In T27Owners@..., "Steve" <skolar@...> wrote:

To Caleb and Adam
I'm not pressing the issue but when I or we or somebody starts
recoreing the roof of the cabin and asks is this solid fiberglass
here
or cored here or there, I would like to be able to give sound
advice,
thats all.
Actually I'll need the advice.
I have yet to cut open anything on my boat, but if the wife and I
don't
have to tap the boat rebuild fund I plan on doing it this winter.
So I can dream about fiberglass work, is the "area" LOL! around the
mast and hatch over the v-berth and it's side walls solid glass or
cored ?
Is the main cabin roof and side walls solid or cored ?
If any of the above answers are cored, what thickness is the
coreing
and what material was it?
If my memory serves me (not) when rebedding the ports years back I
really don't remember coreing in the side walls.
Steve K.


Re: Coring

 

To Caleb and Adam
I'm not pressing the issue but when I or we or somebody starts
recoreing the roof of the cabin and asks is this solid fiberglass here
or cored here or there, I would like to be able to give sound advice,
thats all.
Actually I'll need the advice.
I have yet to cut open anything on my boat, but if the wife and I don't
have to tap the boat rebuild fund I plan on doing it this winter.
So I can dream about fiberglass work, is the "area" LOL! around the
mast and hatch over the v-berth and it's side walls solid glass or
cored ?
Is the main cabin roof and side walls solid or cored ?
If any of the above answers are cored, what thickness is the coreing
and what material was it?
If my memory serves me (not) when rebedding the ports years back I
really don't remember coreing in the side walls.
Steve K.


Cutlass Bearing

 

Guys,
?
To change the subject. Two years ago I?saw an article on the old website on Cutlass Bearings as I knew I would eventually be replacing mine I copied it.
?
I checked with West Marine today and the want $120.00 for a 1X 1.5 X 4 replacement. Defender will have one drop shipped from the manufacturer for $71.99 plus shipping.
?
I beleive I will pull my old one first before order the new one, just in case. It never hurts to check around.
?
Billy Ray Davis
Scarlet #79


Re: Deck Recoring Project

 

That's the "bridge deck," and on our boats, unlike some others, it keeps water taken on in the cockpit from flowing below and doing bad things like sinking us.?? My hat's off to all you brave re-corers.


-----Original Message-----
From: Bob
To: T27Owners@...
Sent: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 7:36 am
Subject: [T27Owners] Re: Deck Recoring Project

I got the "deck area in front of (aft) the companion way" (Alright
all you Nautical Lexicon Ponderers, whats it called?) epoxied in
yesterday. I had my shade and fan all set this time. went much more
smoothly. One thing to consider is this piece of deck is not flat. It
has a bit of horizontal curve to it, sloping from the center out to
the toe rail. I noticed it befor I started so was prepared for it.
The 1/2" marine ply took the curve no problem but I did have to add
some good weight to the ends to hold them down. Two 5 gallon buckets
full of wet sand worked very nicely in conjunction with my paint
cans. One edge was slightly higher than I wanted, but will fair out
just fine when I do the seams. I finished a full gallon of west
system epoxy right on the last needed batch. How's that for close? So
I got the cockpit floor and this deck area with one full gallon of
105/206. It's makes one warm and fuzzy all over when you step on your
freshly recored deck and it doesn't squish! Today I am going to cut
into the side deck. I'll let you know how it goes, stay tuned, same
Tartan channel, same Tartan time.
Bob
SV Gabba Hey
1964 #90

--- In T27Owners@yahoogroups.com, "Bob" ...> wrote:
>
> I added afew more pictures of my progress. Got new plywood cut and
> fitted today. The deck is a wierd composition. Basically 3 types of
> deck laminate. One is straight fiberglass, the second is
fiberglassed
> with end grain balsa, and the third is fiberglass with plywood. The
> non cored is obvious as it is thinner than the rest of the deck and
> makes a nice solid sound when tapped with a plastic hammer. The
balsa
> and plywood cored deck is indistinguishable from each other but
make
> a more hollow thunk (especially where it's mush). I am finding that
> some areas that I expect to be all balsa is both balsa and plywood.
> I've been lucky so far that non of the plywood really needs
> replacing. But I have ended up doing the ply areas that I thought
> were balsa. The area in front of the companion way (or aft of the
> companionway) is a mix of both. The coring stops at the edge of the
> companion way before the icebox hatch but extends all the way to
the
> side deck on starboard side. I cut all the way over, but had I
known
> I would have saved the little bit of side deck to do with the rest
of
> the side deck. Again I expected balsa but instead the bit of side
> deck is ply. I'm sure there is balsa further up though next to the
> cabin. I also imagine that as the years went on the actual coring
> plan probably changed. so one might want to drill for a smaple
before
> cutting specific areas. In the end it will all be solid and won't
> really matter I guess.
> Bob
> SV Gabba Hey
> 1964 #90
>


Holy Crap...

 

Seems like I'm in the 'dog house' for beginning this whole darn
discussion. Sorry fellas! But thanks again for all the wisdom. And
Bob, you just opened a whole new can of worms asking about the aft
portion of the companionway.


Re: Deck Recoring Project

Bob
 

I got the "deck area in front of (aft) the companion way" (Alright
all you Nautical Lexicon Ponderers, whats it called?) epoxied in
yesterday. I had my shade and fan all set this time. went much more
smoothly. One thing to consider is this piece of deck is not flat. It
has a bit of horizontal curve to it, sloping from the center out to
the toe rail. I noticed it befor I started so was prepared for it.
The 1/2" marine ply took the curve no problem but I did have to add
some good weight to the ends to hold them down. Two 5 gallon buckets
full of wet sand worked very nicely in conjunction with my paint
cans. One edge was slightly higher than I wanted, but will fair out
just fine when I do the seams. I finished a full gallon of west
system epoxy right on the last needed batch. How's that for close? So
I got the cockpit floor and this deck area with one full gallon of
105/206. It's makes one warm and fuzzy all over when you step on your
freshly recored deck and it doesn't squish! Today I am going to cut
into the side deck. I'll let you know how it goes, stay tuned, same
Tartan channel, same Tartan time.
Bob
SV Gabba Hey
1964 #90



--- In T27Owners@..., "Bob" <screeminbob@...> wrote:

I added afew more pictures of my progress. Got new plywood cut and
fitted today. The deck is a wierd composition. Basically 3 types of
deck laminate. One is straight fiberglass, the second is
fiberglassed
with end grain balsa, and the third is fiberglass with plywood. The
non cored is obvious as it is thinner than the rest of the deck and
makes a nice solid sound when tapped with a plastic hammer. The
balsa
and plywood cored deck is indistinguishable from each other but
make
a more hollow thunk (especially where it's mush). I am finding that
some areas that I expect to be all balsa is both balsa and plywood.
I've been lucky so far that non of the plywood really needs
replacing. But I have ended up doing the ply areas that I thought
were balsa. The area in front of the companion way (or aft of the
companionway) is a mix of both. The coring stops at the edge of the
companion way before the icebox hatch but extends all the way to
the
side deck on starboard side. I cut all the way over, but had I
known
I would have saved the little bit of side deck to do with the rest
of
the side deck. Again I expected balsa but instead the bit of side
deck is ply. I'm sure there is balsa further up though next to the
cabin. I also imagine that as the years went on the actual coring
plan probably changed. so one might want to drill for a smaple
before
cutting specific areas. In the end it will all be solid and won't
really matter I guess.
Bob
SV Gabba Hey
1964 #90


Re: Coring

 

I thought Adam categorized it nicely.
I would say that the 'dog house' is any part of the boat that sticks up above its deck level. You can call it a coach roof, cabin top or whatever but it is still a dog house sticking out into the wind.
Tristan Jones always used the term 'dog house' which seems to have linked it firmly to the lexicon of sailing but we are talking about any part of the boat above deck that will stick up into the wind and the waves (as I understand it).
If you choose to call it something else there is no great punishment for that. Coach roof, cabin top, dog house, yada, yada, kinda.
The raised portion of the cabin on the deck of a boat.
Some may disagree.
Enjoy what is left of the sailing season to those up north.
Caleb D.
#328 Odalisque, 1967

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve <skolar@...>
To: T27Owners@...
Sent: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 11:46 pm
Subject: [T27Owners] Re: Coring

Adam
To add to the confusion I now seam to recall that "being in the dog
house" is derived from the nautical term of a small box on the fore
deck of the clipper ships to shield sailors from breaking waves while
on fore deck duties, I assume a not so pleasent station of duty in
those days.
So I'm not sure if this is any help but it's clear as mud to me now.
But I assume that your line of thinking and my thoughts agree.
The lower of the raised area with v-berth and head=doghouse and the
higher of the raised area=cabin top.
steve k.


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Re: Coring

 

Adam
To add to the confusion I now seam to recall that "being in the dog
house" is derived from the nautical term of a small box on the fore
deck of the clipper ships to shield sailors from breaking waves while
on fore deck duties, I assume a not so pleasent station of duty in
those days.
So I'm not sure if this is any help but it's clear as mud to me now.
But I assume that your line of thinking and my thoughts agree.
The lower of the raised area with v-berth and head=doghouse and the
higher of the raised area=cabin top.
steve k.


Re: Coring

 

Sorry, Steve, I think I helped add to the confusion. There seem to be few definites in nautical terminology.
As I understand it, "coachroof", "cabin top, "cabin roof", "cabin overhead" et al are broad terms that indicate any overhead surface that is higher than the surrounding deck and separates your head from the rain.
"Doghouse", again as I've usually heard it used, indicates the aft raised section of the cabin on boats that have a step in the coachroof, like the T27, Pearson Triton, Alberg 30, Bill Tripp designed "bubble top" boats like the Invicta, old Columbias,?etc. A lot of 60's era designs have it, probably before full fore-aft standing headroom became a dealmaker at boat shows.
So on the T27 your head is in the doghouse when you're in the main cabin.? On the late ('78-9) T27, there is no doghouse since the whole deck was raised and the coachroof is flattened out like most recent sailboats. So "coachroof" would indicate the entire cabin top.
Now I'm confusing myself so I'll just shut up!

--- On Thu, 9/11/08, Steve wrote:
From: Steve
Subject: [T27Owners] Re: Coring
To: T27Owners@...
Date: Thursday, September 11, 2008, 12:04 PM

Hello all
Well you learn something everyday and I hope I learn something today.
Do I understand this correctly that the dog house is the first raised
section aft the foredeck over the v-berth with the hole for the mast
and the cabin roof is the next higher raised section that is over
the...cabin ?
Questions to follow.
Steve K.



Re: Coring

 

Hello all
Well you learn something everyday and I hope I learn something today.
Do I understand this correctly that the dog house is the first raised
section aft the foredeck over the v-berth with the hole for the mast
and the cabin roof is the next higher raised section that is over
the...cabin ?
Questions to follow.
Steve K.


Coring

 

thanks Gents.

I appreciate the input. I'll be getting into all of this coming this
spring. Your pictures and discoveries as you all move along are
invaluable. What a great thing to have such a resource huh? And to
whomever posted the photo of my boat as the home page... I say thank
you. I should have color corrected it before I put it up... you should
never cut corners in the interest of time... I should know this by now.

Just wanted to give props to such a cool boat and a good bunch of folks.
c
#466


Re: Coring

Bob
 

I'm using 1/2" marine ply with a layer of chop mat above and below.
I'll be getting to the side decks next, probably next week. I'll let
you know what my side deck coring makeup is, but as mentioned already
it could be different than others. Adam has a good suggestion on
checking. You can also usually tell by smacking it with a plastic
hammer, but drilling will tell you your core material and condition as
well.

Bob
SV Gabba Hey
1964 #90





--- In T27Owners@..., "chrisd4700" <chrisd4700@...> wrote:

Hey Bob,
Nice job. Do you or anyone else know if the actual dog house is
cored?
I've seen some folks with drilled out sections around the dorade boxes
and I was under the impression that the dog house was all solid
fiberglass. I have to do my side deck on starboard side by the salon
windows. Soft area there. Nice to see that they used plywood and
it's held up.

What thickness ply are you using? 1/4 inch?

Thanks
c
466


Re: Coring

 

Bear in mind that these boats, like any boat with a two decade production history,
went through a variety of ?changes in construction over the years, and not just between the major design changes (Type I/II/III).
For example, my '76 has no?core anywhere in the coachroof.?The aft-,side-,fore-deck, and cockpit sole?core was plywood (and re-cored w/ same).? This is probably true of most Type II boats, but certainly not all.? The variance in Type I boats is likely even greater.
If everything that's drilled or bolted to the coachroof goes through the coachroof to a nut or hardwood on the other side, chances are it's solid f/g of?1/4" or less.? If it's fastened with screws terminating inside the coachroof, it would almost have to be cored.
I'd recommend removing a screw or bolt from an area of interest--cleat, dodger fitting, hatch rail, handrail, etc--and figuring out how deep?the hole is. Or, drill?an existing hole out?to 1/2", visually check for a core, and epoxy-fill/redrill after.
All fun stuff, huh?
--- On Wed, 9/10/08, Bill Davis wrote:

From: Bill Davis
Subject: Re: [T27Owners] Coring
To: T27Owners@...
Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 4:08 PM

Chris,
?
The doghouse is definitely cored with 1/2 balsa. I had to redo the whole doghouse and about 1/3 of the cabin top. Not much fun but still easier than the deck recore as you can ususlly sit down on the job.
?
Billy Ray Davis
Scarlet #79

--- On Wed, 9/10/08, chrisd4700 wrote:
From: chrisd4700
Subject: [T27Owners] Coring
To: T27Owners@yahoogrou ps.com
Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 3:33 PM

Hey Bob,
Nice job. Do you or anyone else know if the actual dog house is cored?
I've seen some folks with drilled out sections around the dorade boxes
and I was under the impression that the dog house was all solid
fiberglass. I have to do my side deck on starboard side by the salon
windows. Soft area there. Nice to see that they used plywood and
it's held up.

What thickness ply are you using? 1/4 inch?

Thanks
c
466




Re: Coring

 

Chris,
?
The doghouse is definitely cored with 1/2 balsa. I had to redo the whole doghouse and about 1/3 of the cabin top. Not much fun but still easier than the deck recore as you can ususlly sit down on the job.
?
Billy Ray Davis
Scarlet #79


--- On Wed, 9/10/08, chrisd4700 wrote:
From: chrisd4700
Subject: [T27Owners] Coring
To: T27Owners@...
Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 3:33 PM

Hey Bob,
Nice job. Do you or anyone else know if the actual dog house is cored?
I've seen some folks with drilled out sections around the dorade boxes
and I was under the impression that the dog house was all solid
fiberglass. I have to do my side deck on starboard side by the salon
windows. Soft area there. Nice to see that they used plywood and
it's held up.

What thickness ply are you using? 1/4 inch?

Thanks
c
466



Coring

 

Hey Bob,
Nice job. Do you or anyone else know if the actual dog house is cored?
I've seen some folks with drilled out sections around the dorade boxes
and I was under the impression that the dog house was all solid
fiberglass. I have to do my side deck on starboard side by the salon
windows. Soft area there. Nice to see that they used plywood and
it's held up.

What thickness ply are you using? 1/4 inch?

Thanks
c
466


Re: Deck Recoring Project

ksmith4312
 

--- In T27Owners@..., "Bob" <screeminbob@...> wrote:

I added afew more pictures of my progress. Got new plywood cut and
fitted today. The deck is a wierd composition. Basically 3 types of
deck laminate. One is straight fiberglass, the second is
fiberglassed
with end grain balsa, and the third is fiberglass with plywood. The
non cored is obvious as it is thinner than the rest of the deck and
makes a nice solid sound when tapped with a plastic hammer. The
balsa
and plywood cored deck is indistinguishable from each other but
make
a more hollow thunk (especially where it's mush). I am finding that
some areas that I expect to be all balsa is both balsa and plywood.
I've been lucky so far that non of the plywood really needs
replacing. But I have ended up doing the ply areas that I thought
were balsa. The area in front of the companion way (or aft of the
companionway) is a mix of both. The coring stops at the edge of the
companion way before the icebox hatch but extends all the way to
the
side deck on starboard side. I cut all the way over, but had I
known
I would have saved the little bit of side deck to do with the rest
of
the side deck. Again I expected balsa but instead the bit of side
deck is ply. I'm sure there is balsa further up though next to the
cabin. I also imagine that as the years went on the actual coring
plan probably changed. so one might want to drill for a smaple
before
cutting specific areas. In the end it will all be solid and won't
really matter I guess.
Bob
SV Gabba Hey
1964 #90
WOW great information. I have some bad spots further up on the
starboard approx at the v-berth portlight area (side deck?) I am not
sure if it has to do with the stanichon or the chainplates.

But your pics give me courage.

Nice thing about LA is the boat is handy.