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Re: Hurricane Ike
Bob
Thank you for the info Brian. Good advice. Glad to hear you made it
through alright. Bob SV Gabba Hey 1964 #90 --- In T27Owners@..., <brian@...> wrote: were a few things I wanted to share that might help others when facing astorm. an enormous difference in the amount of damage boats suffered. Thefixed piers were decimated at my marina and look like a Giant scatteredboats. back to the boat and secure them again. Yes it seemed like overkill,but my boat has no storm damage.thing probably kept a lot of water out of my boat. I had 3 inches ofwater in the cockpit where leaves and crap had clogged the working drain.caused is unimaginable unless you are there. There were many boats thatsimply yanked their pilings out or broke them off and took them with themand of itself is stunning. There were several entire piers that weredock itself. It's simply amazing. I'll try to post it.did not remove the furling sails. Many other boats suffered because old orwas having a spare set of docklines that had never been used. When theno damage.the survival. They are built tough and well made. |
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Hurricane Ike
¿ªÔÆÌåÓýI was very lucky that my boat suffered no damage at all.? There were a few things I wanted to share that might help others when facing a storm. ? 1)????? I was on a floating dock.? This single thing seems to make an enormous difference in the amount of damage boats suffered.? The fixed piers were decimated at my marina and look like a Giant scattered boats. 2)????? I took the time to double up lines, and then lead the tails back to the boat and secure them again.? Yes it seemed like overkill, but my boat has no storm damage.? 3)????? I secured everything I could not remove, including roller furler, boom, tiller, etc.? I removed anything I could, including outboard, grill, bimini, etc. 4)????? I knew I had a cockpit drain that was leaking, I used some instant-foam to fill it.? I¡¯ll dig it out later, but that single thing probably kept a lot of water out of my boat.? I had 3 inches of water in the cockpit where leaves and crap had clogged the working drain. Just figured I¡¯d share my experiences.? The devastation that Ike caused is unimaginable unless you are there.? There were many boats that simply yanked their pilings out or broke them off and took them with them inland.? I don¡¯t think a single floating pier lost a boat.? That in and of itself is stunning.? There were several entire piers that were obliterated and the boats destroyed. ? I have a picture of my old slip ( a fixed slip) where the boat was thrown from the water and placed in between the other boats on the dock itself.? It¡¯s simply amazing.? I¡¯ll try to post it. ? One other thing, many boats suffered sail damage because owners? did not remove the furling sails.? Many other boats suffered because old or undersized lines were used.? A true tragedy.? Part of my storm plan was having a spare set of docklines that had never been used.? When the storm warning was forecast I went down and used those to secure the boat.? My thinking was that they would be at maximum strength with no damage. ? Houston is currently closed to recreational boating due to many submerged (sunk) obstacles and shifted nav-aids.? ? I also have to think that our good old boats had a lot to do with the survival.? They are built tough and well made. ? Brian Greul Texas Shirt Company 713-802-0369 / 713-861-6261 (fax) Targeted, Effective Promotions to help you grow your brand |
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Re: coring
--- On Wed, 9/17/08, Bob wrote: From: Bob |
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Re: coring
Bob
Billy Ray,
I kinda way overestimated the amount of mat I would need. The caption was more of a joke, but when I'm done with the decks I'll probably be looking to get rid of it. I don't need anymore cloth though, thanks for the offer. Shipping on the roll will probably kill you anyhow. As it is currently a 100 lb roll. Bob SV Gabba Hey 1964 #90 --- In T27Owners@..., Bill Davis <backstay13@...> wrote: posted with the caption, does anyone need chop matt cloth? ?that is approximately 30 inch's wide. It would be suitable for a top or finish coat, in my opinion. ?the future. I would be glad to trade. Let me know if you are interested or anyone else for that matter. ? |
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Re: coring
--- On Mon, 9/15/08, Bob wrote: From: Bob |
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Re: Cutlass Bearing
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Olin Stevens
It is sad news, that of Olin's passing. I owe him a great amount of
thanks for the joy he's brought to me, my family and friends. We've shared some wonderful times on my old Tartan 27. The joy he's brought to people all over the world is amazing and that we get to correspond and interact with each other on this site due to his boat is quite cool and remarkable in and of itself. Kyle, thank you for letting us know... we were all wrapped up in the fiberglass dust indeed. Peace #466 |
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A Legend
Kyle Erlandsen
Seems this group is slightly late to the news.? Maybe too much fiberglass dust.
He was a big influence on both my dad and myself.
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Kyle E.
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The End of a Legend
Not many people deserve the title of legend, But Olin Stephens certainly does. Sadly, the legend is gone as he passed away over the weekend. A wonderful man by all accounts, the body of work of Sparkman and Stephens, the design breakthroughs, and the sheer beauty of their work remains as a testament to the incredible boats they graced our sport with. Of all his brilliant accomplishments, designing eight of the nine America's Cup winners between 1937 and 1980 most certainly stands unmatched. Truly the end of an era and one worth a few moments of your time in . Thanks to for the photograph. ?
GUEST COMMENTARY (With the recent passing of Olin Stephens, this article was written by David Pedrick, a prot¨¦g¨¦ from 1970-77 and one of Stephens¡¯ great admirers since boyhood) It¡¯s daunting to think of the number of sailors and industry professionals who have benefitted from Olin Stephens¡¯ genius, whether through the adrenalin of racing or the serenity of cruising. Spanning from Lightnings to J-Class yachts, from blue-water cruising and ocean racing to virtually every important offshore racing event on the planet, Olin crafted designs that countless crews and the seas themselves have loved. Olin always kept his sights on the next thing. He could see and admit publicly the weaknesses of any particular design, and was constantly figuring out the next improvements to make. When asked about why he didn¡¯t copyright his designs, he explained that, if someone was copying your past work, that¡¯s right where you wanted them ¨C behind you. Nevertheless, he shared his ideas generously by contributing for decades to the technical development of the sport of yacht racing. I¡¯ve held a special fondness for Olin, who gave me my start as a yacht designer in 1970. He soon trusted me with an increasing share of creative and technical work on major projects, including the America¡¯s Cup and emerging Maxi racers. With his office hours full of telephone calls and letter dictation, he used the quiet time of his evenings and train commute to advance his own ideas. Among the special memories that I have of Olin is often starting the day with an update on what he had been working on the evening before, and being asked to take it further during the day. I¡¯d pass it back to him at the end of the day, and so it would go from one study to the next. A few years ago, after I introduced Olin ¨C my most significant mentor ¨C at an event at the New York Yacht Club, he told a story about his early mentor, whom he called ¨C even at age 97 ¨C ¡°Mr. Crane.¡± After a few more stories of his early years in the Six Metre Class, in crisp detail and with humor and humility, all of us in the room felt the special privilege of having had that time with him. Throughout his fifty years as an active and amazing designer, and thirty more in an active and amazing retirement, Olin¡¯s standards of intellectual challenge and integrity never faltered, and will shine on every bit as brightly as all the trophies that his creations have captured. |
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Re: A4 engine removal
Hi Mark
As far as I know it comes out the companionway. Just to be safe and not damage the hatch I'll be removeing mine when I pull my A4, just a couple screws on each side that hold the trim on also hold the hatch on. If your going to pull the A4 are you also going to service the cutless bearing, stern tube, hose between stern tube and stuffing box ? Pull your prop off first and disconnect the shaft pull the A4 and you can then think about it. At least with the prop off the rest is easy, if your mechanicly inclined and have the body of a four year old. Steve k. |
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A4 engine removal
Hi,
Quick question before I get into something I can't really get out of. It looks to me like the A4 will fit through the companionway and out of the hold. Does anyone know if I need to remove the companionway hatch cover, or will it come out with it slid open? I have a two car garage now ;), and other than the engine turns by hand I know nothing about it, so I was going to pull it and go over it as my winter project. I'll post some pictures this weekend after I get the port lights put back in, the new paint looks like glass ;) BTW - Thanks to screaminbob for all the pics and detail about the re- core. Mark -n- Kim Higher Powered II |
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Re: coring
Bob
Chris,
One Layer of wetted out 1.5oz fiberglass mat above and below will compress enough for a good fit. Thickened epoxy as well just to make sure. Nice thing about plywood coring is you can almost add as much weight as you want on top to clamp it down without low spots occuring. You can almost walk on it dry fitted. I did remove the old core under the lip and the new core slides under lips on each side. Some of the worst old coring was under those lips. I'll try to get a photo tomorrow of a strip sitting on top of the lips so you can see how far under they extend. About 3/4" under each lip. Extra thickened epoxy will be needed to fill the left over gap under the lips. Ask away. That's why I post each step of the way. And I'm not always clear in my explanations. Sounds Like I helped a few of you get up the courage to tackle this project. It took a little courage for me to get started. I saw a post somewhere on the basics of each step and Don Casey's This Old Boat has a good section on it as well. Neither give the dirty details though, so I hope I am filling those in. Fairly easy, just a lot of steps and you do need to think through each step thoroughly before starting. I think the cockpit floor was a good spot for me to start as it is probably the most forgiving as far as cosmetics. Each section gets easier as I go. Bob SV Gabba Hey 1964 #90 --- In T27Owners@..., "chrisd4700" <chrisd4700@...> wrote: as well? Doesn't look like you have the room for that? Or...are youfill gaps), top skin?under the one inch lip on each side and slid the new core in underneath?Or is it cut flush? Seems like if you didn't get it under that lip,new.
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coring
Bob,
Are you going to put the wetted out matt under the side deck coring as well? Doesn't look like you have the room for that? Or...are you just going to do thickened epoxy, core, more thickened epoxy (to fill gaps), top skin? Looks fantastic. One more question, on the side decks, have you removed the core under the one inch lip on each side and slid the new core in underneath? Or is it cut flush? Seems like if you didn't get it under that lip, you'd have a weak area of where the old core butted up against the new. Sorry for the million questions, I just want to understand your process and do it correctly when I do it. thanks c #466 |
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Re: Deck Recoring Project
Bob
Starboard Side Deck has new coring cut and dry fitted. I cut top skin
in half so as to break it up into two sections. Whole side deck was too big an area to epoxy all at once. More photos posted. I cut 4 inch wide strips and cut about 1 inch short from toe rail to cabin side. This allows me to place strip in deck cavity at an angel then spin it into alignment with both ends under the edge lips and then slide it up tight to the previous strip. You can see in the photos the last few I cut in half at an angle as there wasn't enough space to spin them in. I cut two pieces of 1/4 ply to fit around chain plates (were it origionally was 3/4" inch. and then the 1/2" strips fit right over them. With better planning I could have only needed to cut two pieces in half, but I don't think it matters much. All fits nicely. If rain holds off tomorrow I'll be epoxying at least the forst half of the side deck. Steve: I also posted pictures of the chain plates and knees for you. I personally prefer this configuration to being completly glassed in as it fasilitates easier inspection as well as repair if needed. Only change I am making is adding stainless steel chainplate backing strips to the side presently with just washers and nuts. Let me know if anyone affected by Ike needs anything. I got real lucky with Hanna, and need to spread the karma. Bob SV Gabba Hey 1964 #90 |
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Re: Ike
Agree. Been watching the news and thinking about all of you in Ike's path----hoping you're safe and your property/possessions survive.? R/Tom & Kathy in Titiusville, Fl
Irish Miss T27 #258
----- Original Message ---- From: Adam To: T27Owners@... Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 3:34:13 AM Subject: [T27Owners] Ike
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Re: Bilge Pump
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Re: Deck Recoring Project
Bob
I got the starboard side deck cut out today. I posted some Photos of
the area with the old coring and the chain plate area. Most of it is balsa core. A little bit of ply extending up from under the winch stand (area already tackled). And a bit around the chain plates. The chain plate ply was I believe 3/4". The chain plates had been redone, I think from underneath, but deck area done poorly and water was getting in pretty easily. This is the worst condition plywood I have found so far but still a pain in the arse to dig out. The rest is all balsa core. a small dry spot at mid side deck, but it is coming out as it is in between two nasty wet areas. The balsa at the fore area of my cutout is dry and solid as seems to be the rest of the foredeck, so I will leave that area alone. To answer Steves questions: The chain plate knees were rebuilt already and are still solid. They were done in a manner so that the chain plates sit on the outside of the knees and bolt through the knees. I am beefing up this situation by adding a stainless steel backing chain plate on the other side of the knee. presently just washers and nuts.I'll get some pics for you. Then the deck area I will just core around them with 3/4" ply again and epoxy in around them. Last but not least lots of 4000 UV fast cure, or your sealant of choice, under the chain plate dressing plates (the little plate that screws to the deck over the chain plate). As for the Bondo type stuff...I don't know. It may be epoxy with fairing compound thickner in it. I guess he was trying to fair the chain plates from the inside. I don't know. didn't work very well. Anyway, it's gone now. I am always amazed at what some people do to their boats, or worse even what they do to other peoples boats. A friend of mine had his T27 chain plate rip through his deck while under sail last week. Previous owner had redone the chainplates, but water was getting into the knee and rotted out the wood coring and blam, big hole in his side deck. Luckily the mast stayed up and no one was hurt. Moral of the Story: 1. Don't cut corners, DO IT RIGHT! 2. Just because the previous owner says it was redone, or that they worked for So and So :) Don't ignore it. Make sure it was done right! Bob SV Gabba Hey 1964 #90 |
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Recore
Hey Bob,
Man, you're kicking butt on that stuff. Let me ask you if: 1. you've done the chain plates 2. If not, are you going to just lay in core around them and glass Around them or are you going to remove them, fill, replace the glass and then re-cut or drill them out? This is the area I'm having to do. What is all that pink stuff in there? I looks like a "Bondo" type material? Thanks bud. c |
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Re: Coring
Bob
Side walls are diffinitly not cored as I have removed all ports and
also patched a crude hole that was hacked out for a shore power plug in the hanging locker. Some if not all of the cabin top is cored but I can't say where or how much as mine is solid (not squishy like my decks) and I'm not getting into them. Bob SV Gabba Hey 1964 #90 --- In T27Owners@..., "Steve" <skolar@...> wrote: here or cored here or there, I would like to be able to give soundadvice, thats all.don't have to tap the boat rebuild fund I plan on doing it this winter.coreing and what material was it? |
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