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Re: registering ej25 conversion in CA

Jeffrey Vickers
 

It looks like you already have a running 2.5 so the short answer is "no", unless you are close friends with a SMOG station which means you'll be going down that road every two years. BAR won't go near anything OBDII. Best to have the BAR sticker and swap the bottom of a 2.2, IMHO.

A SMOG legal 2.5 can be done and its done more frequently these days but you need to start with a 2.2, get your BAR sticker from a ref and then whack a 2.5 bottom end on the 2.2. You keep all your wiring and upper engine stuff, heads and exhaust. You can shorten the rods for a bit more torque or use different pistons and get different compression ratios to suit your needs. You'll pass SMOG with 2.2 specs and pick up almost 30 HP over the 2.2.

Welcome to California!

Jeff in Marin


Re: How to start with electrical

 

a few diagrams, spreadsheets for that year that might be helpful....




--
Brent Weide
Portland, Oregon
www.weidefamily.net/vanagon/


Re: SVX Hesitation

Neil
 

I hate to say it, and I'm not selling anything but you may want to get the chip, it pays for itself using 87 octane. I seem to remember drivibility improving when I popped it in.

I don't drive my van all that hard, it LOVES to be wound out a little. I am old school VW from way back, so it was hard for me to get used to driving higher RPMs, but this is not a VW motor, it bogs big time when loaded, especially on these SoCal hills and against the wind. Weight is not nearly as much a factor as wind. I towed a Kit car cross-country with a HEAVILY loaded van and it cheerfully tugged it, unless the wind was against us, then it bogged and mileage was practically cut in half.

I don't want to get into a discussion on tyres here.

I am also going to shy away from the mileage question here, I'd rather work toward a solution to your drivibility question, since that was the original post.

Neil


Re: How to start with electrical

 

Ah, so the kennedy diagram is the missing link? Okay, thanks

The problem is I don't know which connector I'm ging to keep...presumably the above diagram will let me know.

Nathaniel

--- In subaruvanagon@..., UDO SILLE <usille@...> wrote:

Start by getting the schematic for the 90 Subaru. Then, mark every
connector you're going to keep. Then, cut off every other non-keeper and
the associated wiring. Follow what you're doing on the schematic. Once you
have it all to minimal, you can sort it to fit the Vanagon.
Easy.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


Re: No 12v power to fridge question Westy/2.2

jimhilton40
 

So maybe I just have a defective relay? Thanks

--- In subaruvanagon@..., UDO SILLE <usille@...> wrote:

The blue wire at the charge indicator light *activates* the fridge relay,
which actually powers the fridge.




Re: SVX Hesitation

 

On Apr 26, 2012, at 7:45 AM, hisport wrote:

So far, i'm seeing ~17mpg mixed, which is sorta disappointing, but seems to be the common experience.
I don't have the SVX engine in my van, but your mileage report is on the high end of what i've seen other
SVX-powered Vanagon owners report here on this list. If I can ask ¡­ where did you get the information
that your mileage would be above what you are getting now, before you installed the SVX?

Bob


Re: SVX Hesitation

 

Thanks Neil

No chip, and premium gas.

Do those tires rub in the front? i did alot of homework before putting in 215 65 16, only to find that they rub (eg entering a sharp up driveway while turning)

Sure, our vans will go crazy speeds in 3rd etc (as will any modern van in kick down), but who wants to drive that way? My ideal is to make the drive as quiet and peaceful as possible, with good fuel mileage. So far, i'm seeing ~17mpg mixed, which is sorta disappointing, but seems to be the common experience.

By reference, I drove a rental GM small SUV about 1200 miles last week in CA visiting family around the state. Gutless V6, but quiet and nice on highway. Mileage ~16mpg. My 400HP M5 routinely gets 23mpg; our V6 e320 wagon 25 - 28mpg.

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "Neil" <furrylittleotter@...> wrote:


I will follow your progress as you work on this problem, but I will add that today, just for you, I noted that my van HATES to run 30 mph or under in third gear, going straight, not around a corner. I do not know my ring and pinion gearing but I believe it is pretty tall, my tires are huge 235/70R16 and I have tall 3rd and 4th gears (aftermarket from AA transaxle) Personally I do not see this as a problem, I simply downshift.

My van likes to run 0-20 in 1st, 20-34 in 2nd, 34-60 in 3rd and 60- 100+ in 4th.


I am curious about the manual trans ECU as well but since it would be JDM, I would hesitate to try it. I DO have the chip from Smallcar, do you? I also run regular 87 octane, do you?

Neil


Re: No 12v power to fridge question Westy/2.2

 

The blue wire at the charge indicator light *activates* the fridge relay,
which actually powers the fridge.


Re: How to start with electrical

 

Start by getting the schematic for the 90 Subaru. Then, mark every
connector you're going to keep. Then, cut off every other non-keeper and
the associated wiring. Follow what you're doing on the schematic. Once you
have it all to minimal, you can sort it to fit the Vanagon.
Easy.


Re: How to start with electrical

Rob
 

down the page half way, wiring instructions for $20 is what you need.
Worked for me.

Rob
becida@...
or you can send it to Tom Shiels & he'll do it

At 4/25/2012 08:44 PM,Basil wrote:
Hi all, I've managed to rip the two harnesses out of my donor 90 Legacy. I"ve looked at photos, suby schemtics, and list of things to take and so forth, but I haven't found a "final" wiring diagram - one that shows what I should cut off and what to keep, and how to stitch it to the Vanagon wiring? I suppose I could trace back from the engine components, ignitor module, MAFM, and so forth but someone must have assembled a final wiring digram, I'm assuming. I'm afraid if I just follow my nose on this one I'll miss something important, especially for the ECU.
I appreciate any help.

Nathaniel


Re: registering ej25 conversion in CA

dennis miller
 

Mark



There are ways but it depends on how aggressive you are willing to be. These
are some of the ones I know of.



There is a shop in Sacramento that has been able to get approval for VW 1.8
turbo/vanagon installations without a formal exemption on a case-by-case
basis. His experience is that if you show up with an installation that is
identical to the stock donor installation in every smog related detail, you
might be able to get it approved. Individual referee techs do have a small
amount of discretion. This is a real risky way to go though. It would be
best to go and talk to the tech at the referee station and find out if they
are open to this approach.



Some rural CA counties are exempt from smog check requirements. Get the car
registered in one of those counties. The exempt counties are listed on the
DMV website. This is a good way to go since you still have a Ca license
plate. I know of at least two owners who do it this way.



Set up your own corporation in Montana to own your vehicles. Though
technically, if the car is registered outside of Ca, it is supposed to be
registered in CA within 90 days, this rule doesn't apply because the vehicle
is owned, not by you, but by your Montana LLC, so the residency rule doesn't
apply. Drawbacks are that it's a little expensive and you will have a
Montana license plate. There are companies in Montana that specialize in
this. It can all be done by mail.



Your mileage may vary



Dennis





From: subaruvanagon@... [mailto:subaruvanagon@...]
On Behalf Of mshilge
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2012 3:30 PM
To: subaruvanagon@...
Subject: [subaruvanagon] registering ej25 conversion in CA





Hi all,
Wondering what options I have to register my conversion in CA?

I recall that the ej22 has been certified, any way to be legal with an ej25?

Thanks,
Mark
89 westy syncro ej25


Re: SVX Hesitation

Neil
 

I will follow your progress as you work on this problem, but I will add that today, just for you, I noted that my van HATES to run 30 mph or under in third gear, going straight, not around a corner. I do not know my ring and pinion gearing but I believe it is pretty tall, my tires are huge 235/70R16 and I have tall 3rd and 4th gears (aftermarket from AA transaxle) Personally I do not see this as a problem, I simply downshift.

My van likes to run 0-20 in 1st, 20-34 in 2nd, 34-60 in 3rd and 60- 100+ in 4th.


I am curious about the manual trans ECU as well but since it would be JDM, I would hesitate to try it. I DO have the chip from Smallcar, do you? I also run regular 87 octane, do you?

Neil


How to start with electrical

 

Hi all, I've managed to rip the two harnesses out of my donor 90 Legacy. I"ve looked at photos, suby schemtics, and list of things to take and so forth, but I haven't found a "final" wiring diagram - one that shows what I should cut off and what to keep, and how to stitch it to the Vanagon wiring? I suppose I could trace back from the engine components, ignitor module, MAFM, and so forth but someone must have assembled a final wiring digram, I'm assuming. I'm afraid if I just follow my nose on this one I'll miss something important, especially for the ECU.
I appreciate any help.

Nathaniel


SVX Hesitation

 

My SVX vanagon definitely doesn't run properly, regardless of gearing specifics, etc. I'm old enough to rememeber the hesitation and stumbling associated with a bad accelerator pump; its like that.

Having chased around looking for vacuum leaks or sticking IAC or IAB valves, I definitely agree that we're babes in the woods when it comes to really understanding SVX ECU inputs. My wandering/racing idle problem turned out to be an intermittent VSS input. Could very well be that the SVX ECU is looking for specific TCU (transmission control unit) inputs that we don't even know about.

I've read enough of the forum archives to know that I'm not the lone ranger - lots of posts about this SVX vanagon hesitation problem, though no seeming fix.

I'm looking now at the SVX forum, and will try some of their diagnostic approaches to see if I can narrow down the hesitation cause.

BTW, my westy is geared for ~ 2850 RPM at 70mph, by way of AA transaxle .70 4th/1.14 3rd and 215/65 16 yoko geolander tires. It has more than enough torque to pull this gearing, which is still quite low compared to any modern 6 cylinder van (which I think typically run 1900 - 2200RPM at ~ 70mph). Looking at the eg33 torque chart (vs the wbx torque curve), this SVX engine should be very tractable at low engine speeds. It is not cammy by any stretch. Indeed, when my eg33 has cleared its throat, it pulls smoothly from about 30 mph in top gear.

I know that some fellow eccentrics have converted SVX coupes to manual transmissions. I wonder whether any JDM SVX's were actually delivered this way from the factory. Be interesting to see if a MT SVX ECU exists.

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "Neil" <furrylittleotter@...> wrote:

This seems like a drivability issue to me. THe weight/gearing/vs engine management/design I do not have a tach but I suspect mine has a slight "Buck" at that rpm as well and while I don't believe it should do it, but it is easy to fix, just downshift.

One thing I have thought of is since all SVXes were automatics the engine management system may be a factor at low rpms, it probably expects the tranny to downshift itself sooner than you are manually downshifting. I have always thought of engines and trannies as separate animals but these modern engines seem designed around each other. This engine may simply not be designed to lug around a van at those rpms.

I will watch with interest to see if you find a different solution, but I don't think you should be in third rounding corners in the neighborhood. Of course r and p, tire size and gear size all contribute. I don't usually put mine in 4th until about 60 mph!

Neil


registering ej25 conversion in CA

 

Hi all,
Wondering what options I have to register my conversion in CA?

I recall that the ej22 has been certified, any way to be legal with an ej25?

Thanks,
Mark
89 westy syncro ej25


Re: No 12v power to fridge question Westy/2.2

jimhilton40
 

Hi Tom: The led doesn't come on, the blue wire is connected to the relay but I don't have 12v on the red wire to the fuse behind the seat.
I'm glad to know that the bk/wht wire is okay.

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "Tom Shiels" <tom@...> wrote:

Hi Jim,
a) Does your Battery LED come ON when you turn the Ignition ON?
b) Have you disconnected the Alt Light Blue wire from your Fridge relay under the driver's seat?
c) The Subaru Alternator CAN NOT supply any voltage to drive the fridge relay - hence the reason it has to be disconnected. The Subaru Alternator just back biases a diode in the voltage regulator so the Alt Light will go OFF when the alternator is charging. You will not read any voltage on the Subaru Bk/Wh wire.

Let us know what you have got.
Tom
Burlington ON


Re: No 12v power to fridge question Westy/2.2

 

Hi Jim,
a) Does your Battery LED come ON when you turn the Ignition ON?
b) Have you disconnected the Alt Light Blue wire from your Fridge relay under the driver's seat?
c) The Subaru Alternator CAN NOT supply any voltage to drive the fridge relay - hence the reason it has to be disconnected. The Subaru Alternator just back biases a diode in the voltage regulator so the Alt Light will go OFF when the alternator is charging. You will not read any voltage on the Subaru Bk/Wh wire.

Let us know what you have got.
Tom
Burlington ON


Re: SVX: Idle Fixed; Still Hesitates though...

 

Does an SVX have an IAC valve that might need cleaning?

Larry A.

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "hisport" <griffinjohnm@...> wrote:

Major problem is stumbling on acceleration, but surging is a minor symptom. Around 1800 - 2200 rpm closed throttle.



--- In subaruvanagon@..., "Neil" <furrylittleotter@> wrote:

Kudos again to Smallcar for their generosity on helping you with that long out of warranty part.

Please forgive me if this sounds rude, but may I ask why you are in third gear going around the corner in a neighborhood? My SVX HATES to lug, granted it's obdII, but that is my first thought. I acknowledge you may very well have a problem, but are you running a tachometer to see how low of RPMS you are running this high revving motor? It reaches Peak Torque at 4400 and peak HP at 5400 and doesn't redline until 7000.
I had to get in the habit of running the revs up a bit more than my gut likes to, the exhaust is much louder than I would like it to be and this also makes me want to lug it a bit, but my motor HATES it when I do...just a thought. what rpms are we talking?

Neil


Re: SVX: Idle Fixed; Still Hesitates though...

Neil
 

This seems like a drivability issue to me. THe weight/gearing/vs engine management/design I do not have a tach but I suspect mine has a slight "Buck" at that rpm as well and while I don't believe it should do it, but it is easy to fix, just downshift.

One thing I have thought of is since all SVXes were automatics the engine management system may be a factor at low rpms, it probably expects the tranny to downshift itself sooner than you are manually downshifting. I have always thought of engines and trannies as separate animals but these modern engines seem designed around each other. This engine may simply not be designed to lug around a van at those rpms.

I will watch with interest to see if you find a different solution, but I don't think you should be in third rounding corners in the neighborhood. Of course r and p, tire size and gear size all contribute. I don't usually put mine in 4th until about 60 mph!

Neil


No 12v power to fridge question Westy/2.2

jimhilton40
 

I have no voltage to the fridge while driving.Correct me if I've got this mixed up...Seems to me the 12v supply to the fridge is supplied by the VW blue wire. That wire feeds the alternator dashlight which goes to/from the blk/w lead off the alternator. With engine running or just key on I read no voltage at the blk/w wire at the alternator. What's next?-new alternator (otherwise good -shows 14v output). Thanks