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Re: Oil pressure sender location pics

jimhilton40
 

The Subaru oil pressure sender is just below the alternator (at least on a 2.2) You have to create an extension from that threaded source on the block (about 2") so there will be clearance for the sender unit. Sorry no picture. I used a couple of brass nipples with 35* bends and rethreaded the fitting to suit the Subaru thread.

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "Matt" <mattsewalson@...> wrote:

I'm looking for pics of after market oil pressure sender and it's location. I remember seeing one mounted by the alternator. Does anyone have a pic of this or link.

Thanks,
Matt


Re: No 12v power to fridge question Westy/2.2

Scott Daniel - Turbovans
 

not likely .

here is how I have this circuit in my mind.
the original set up is clever..
as it only energizes that relay after the engine is running and the
alternator is charging ..
exactly what you'd want with a high load such as fridge on 12volts or a
house battery being charged. Very nice.

the subaru alternator will not do that like the vanagon one did.
one conversion shop told me once...'we just run ignition on voltage to
that terminal of the relay ..where the blue wire was.'.

this will work, but only sort of.
It energizes the relay as soon as you turn the key on.
if the relay was connected to a somewhat discharged house battery
..you'd be connecting that low battery to your starting battery just by
turning on the key, not good.

I like things very simple..
personally I would probably have a switch sending voltage to that pin of
the relay ..
so it would be energized when I want it to be, and only then. I would
probably use '15' ign on voltage so the relay could not be energized
with the key off.

On 4/26/2012 7:20 AM, jimhilton40 wrote:

So maybe I just have a defective relay? Thanks

--- In subaruvanagon@...
<mailto:subaruvanagon%40yahoogroups.com>, UDO SILLE <usille@...> wrote:

The blue wire at the charge indicator light *activates* the fridge
relay,
which actually powers the fridge.




Re: How to start with electrical

Scott Daniel - Turbovans
 

my thoughts ..
if doing the EFI wiring ,
get a good wiring diagram for the engine management system.
then 'start at Pin 1' on the ecu.
Write out a list, for each pin and wire ....like # 6, small
red/white...........goes to # 4 injector, or whatever.
Do that for every pin on the ECU.
Check each wire Three Times.

a really nice way to do it is have your engine on an engine stand right
next to your wiring harness table..
then as you build or connect each wire, continuity check all the way
from the ecu pin to the device on the engine ....so you know there is
contact through the engine plugs. ( I've seen contact not get made in
them on a wire or two )

on a typical 2.2 harness, re-arrange the engine harness wires so the
engine plugs are on the left side of the throttle body ...as viewed
standing at the rear of the van ..
. Put the ecu under the back seat, on the left side, like it is on all
86 and later waterboxer vanagons.
I like subaru fuel and main relays under the back seat,
Put the Ignitor on the left firewall, just like it is on the subaru car
or waterboxer engine layout.

To interface the engine's systems with the van ..I use KEP's instructions.
it's not many items..
there's the alternator,
temp gauge, oil pressure light ( for these I like to go directly from
the engine compartment junction box to the sender on the engine ...and
not go through the subaru engine conenctors.
And a few others i'm not thinking of right now.

anything like tachometer..
leave that completely out of the picture until you have a properly
running engine, then do embellisyhments like that last.
Actually ..
don't wrap the harness or install it in the van until you see the engine
run and work right ..
just in case you have to take it back out to go over it.

do nice work !
scott

On 4/26/2012 5:46 AM, UDO SILLE wrote:

Start by getting the schematic for the 90 Subaru. Then, mark every
connector you're going to keep. Then, cut off every other non-keeper and
the associated wiring. Follow what you're doing on the schematic. Once you
have it all to minimal, you can sort it to fit the Vanagon.
Easy.




Little help reading 2001 Forester Wiring Diagram in files

 

Hi,
I'm using the PDF diagram in the files section loaded by Brent.

Anyway, on page 23 (page 34 of the actual manual) I came across a question: I cut the Red/Yellow striped wire coming off of the Sensor Ground joint connector. The diagram says this goes to the "A" path. What is the "A" path?? Sorry if this is a dummy question.

Many thanks, Joel


Re: Oil pressure sender location pics

 

www.weidefamily.net/vanagon/
Suby Engine-1 > Oil Pressure Sender

--
Brent Weide
Portland, Oregon
www.weidefamily.net/vanagon/


Re: How to start with electrical

Rob
 

I needed both.

Rob
becida@...

At 4/27/2012 05:28 AM,UDO SILLE wrote:
No, not the Kennedy diagram. I recommend getting the actual Subaru diagram.
It shows everything and how it all relates.


Re: SVX: Idle Fixed; Still Hesitates though...

 

It seems I've been dealing with off & on rough idle for a couple years (yet my van ran well both on highway and around town). After a road trip hauling 1,000 lbs of auto parts from Truckee to Boulder (engine barely felt the load), and then another long trip from Truckee to Mt Bachelor, one of my coils failed completely 3 miles from home base. After replacing this single coil, the van idles smooth (and runs the same as ever on the highway).

Re low rpm drivability, I love the wide rpm range the SVX/Subaru design allows. My engine sees the occasional 6K+ blip, but I often test the lower rpm limit .. as low as 1750 in 4th and even a tad lower in 3rd. No bucking at this low rpm when held at steady speed on flats (but I certainly downshift if wanting to quickly accelerate, or if encountering a hill).


Re: How to start with electrical

 

No, not the Kennedy diagram. I recommend getting the actual Subaru diagram.
It shows everything and how it all relates.


Re: SVX MPG

 

I just did a mpg check on my 85 vanagon with the 3.3 svx engine and was averaging 16.7mpg on the interstate...



________________________________
From: Derek Hall <nofdhall@...>
To: "subaruvanagon@..." <subaruvanagon@...>
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:28 PM
Subject: Re: [subaruvanagon] SVX MPG


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92 SVX into 86 MT vanagon
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I too get about 20-21mpg on highway only @ 55-60 mph
16-18 mpg?whether have my foot in it or not around town
?
Derek

From: hisport <griffinjohnm@...>
To: subaruvanagon@...
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:57 PM
Subject: [subaruvanagon] SVX MPG

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Bob:

I have a couple of SVX correspondents reporting ~20mpg highway, but pretty sure this is at 55 - 60 mph steady. Seems doable, as my 17 mpg to date is av 70+ mph, with a van that ain't running right (yet)

IMHO, vanagon (esp westy) mileage is more a function of lousy aerodynamics than cylinder count. My clapped out 1.9L WBX didn't do any better than 17, albeit WFO most of the time.

--- In subaruvanagon@..., Robert Stevens <mtbiker62@...> wrote:


On Apr 26, 2012, at 7:45 AM, hisport wrote:

So far, i'm seeing ~17mpg mixed, which is sorta disappointing, but seems to be the common experience.
I don't have the SVX engine in my van, but your mileage report is on the high end of what i've seen other
SVX-powered Vanagon owners report here on this list. If I can ask ¡­ where did you get the information
that your mileage would be above what you are getting now, before you installed the SVX?

Bob
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Oil pressure sender location pics

 

I'm looking for pics of after market oil pressure sender and it's location. I remember seeing one mounted by the alternator. Does anyone have a pic of this or link.

Thanks,
Matt


Re: SVX: Idle Fixed; Still Hesitates though...

 

Thanks for the additional info

I'll post the results of my search for a fix, and will try the ECU reset trick using the method you discovered.

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "John" <lagunarace@...> wrote:

John, its a 92. I lost the pickup on my Small Car VSS and didn't know it. About that time I install a chip and thought my problem was cured. Almost two years later I discovered the missing pickup, installed the new VSS and had the problem again and realized it wasn't the chip that fixed it. This time when I disconnected the VSS I got the code. I runs fine without the VSS and the idle speed was stable, in park/neutral and correct in drive, but it bothered me that I was now getting a CEL and code 27. It was only when I ran without the VSS and then reconnected it while the engine was idleing that the CEL went away(instantly I might add) and it didn't start running bad, instead it ran like it did without the VSS. For this reason I believe the poor running, the CEL and code 27 and the VSS were related and relates to ECU learning and resetting. It may be that the ECU can learn to work with or without a VSS. Just how to cause that to happen I don't know, nor do I know if this would be the case with all SVX ECUs. I use premium, never tried the 87 octane feature of the chip. Thought I would point out the economics of premium vs. regular.

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Re: SVX: Idle Fixed; Still Hesitates though...

 

Thanks!

I used to use a Sun raster scope in the bad old days of coil/distributor/points ignition systems. Sounds as if it might still be handy

Down in Hilton Head this weekend, but I will run these tests when back home to NC next week

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "Don" <dkveuro@...> wrote:









- The sound you reference is high tension clicking? Coil voltage arcing to ground rather than firing the plug? Most easily heard while revving motor with stethoscope on plug coil?
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Right...Listen to the coil spark jumping to ground. Usually the coil has suffered heat and no longer sound. I always use manufactures coils on any vehicle needing them. Unless installing a MSD or Mallory system.

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Water spray bottle in the dark: Look for high tension leakage to ground when revving motor? (Like a bad set of plug wires on a foggy day?)
-------------------------------------------------------------
Yes. listen for crackle of spark/s as rpm's increase .
-------------------------------------------------------------

Always use OE subaru replacement coils? Do you typically replace all if one or two are failing?
---------------------------------------------------------

If the coil is obviously bleeding replace all, but if cracked, just the cracked coil.
-------------------------------------------------------

Disconnect O2 sensors. If stumbling improves, then bad coil(s) indicated? (as richer mix is easier to fire?)
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Fuel c/o% closer to 12 to 1 decrease the voltage required to push the spark across the gap. At idle, the voltage is around 12,000 to 14,000 volts but under load can require 20,000 volts and more.

As the engine rev's at 3000 rpm in N voltage can drop to 8,000 volts. If voltage remains high either lean or too big spark gap or wire resistance.

1000 to 1500 ohms per foot in plug wires if I use MSD Street wires.
R type plugs help fire the plug too. Most late EFI equipped engines require resistive plugs to reduce emi.

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Re: SVX: Idle Fixed; Still Hesitates though...

 

- The sound you reference is high tension clicking? Coil voltage arcing to ground rather than firing the plug? Most easily heard while revving motor with stethoscope on plug coil?
--------------------------------------------------
Right...Listen to the coil spark jumping to ground. Usually the coil has suffered heat and no longer sound. I always use manufactures coils on any vehicle needing them. Unless installing a MSD or Mallory system.

---------------------------------------------------------

Water spray bottle in the dark: Look for high tension leakage to ground when revving motor? (Like a bad set of plug wires on a foggy day?)
-------------------------------------------------------------
Yes. listen for crackle of spark/s as rpm's increase .
-------------------------------------------------------------

Always use OE subaru replacement coils? Do you typically replace all if one or two are failing?
---------------------------------------------------------

If the coil is obviously bleeding replace all, but if cracked, just the cracked coil.
-------------------------------------------------------

Disconnect O2 sensors. If stumbling improves, then bad coil(s) indicated? (as richer mix is easier to fire?)
-----------------------------------------------------
Fuel c/o% closer to 12 to 1 decrease the voltage required to push the spark across the gap. At idle, the voltage is around 12,000 to 14,000 volts but under load can require 20,000 volts and more.

As the engine rev's at 3000 rpm in N voltage can drop to 8,000 volts. If voltage remains high either lean or too big spark gap or wire resistance.

1000 to 1500 ohms per foot in plug wires if I use MSD Street wires.
R type plugs help fire the plug too. Most late EFI equipped engines require resistive plugs to reduce emi.

------------------------------------------------------------


Re: SVX: Idle Fixed; Still Hesitates though...

 

John, its a 92. I lost the pickup on my Small Car VSS and didn't know it. About that time I install a chip and thought my problem was cured. Almost two years later I discovered the missing pickup, installed the new VSS and had the problem again and realized it wasn't the chip that fixed it. This time when I disconnected the VSS I got the code. I runs fine without the VSS and the idle speed was stable, in park/neutral and correct in drive, but it bothered me that I was now getting a CEL and code 27. It was only when I ran without the VSS and then reconnected it while the engine was idleing that the CEL went away(instantly I might add) and it didn't start running bad, instead it ran like it did without the VSS. For this reason I believe the poor running, the CEL and code 27 and the VSS were related and relates to ECU learning and resetting. It may be that the ECU can learn to work with or without a VSS. Just how to cause that to happen I don't know, nor do I know if this would be the case with all SVX ECUs. I use premium, never tried the 87 octane feature of the chip. Thought I would point out the economics of premium vs. regular.


Re: SVX MPG

 

what size tire are you running?

I've never gotten better than 16mpg out of either of my SVX conversions. I tried smaller tires (which made a different on the Tiico conversion), but on the SVX, it made no difference.

On Apr 26, 2012, at 9:28 PM, Derek Hall wrote:

92 SVX into 86 MT vanagon

I too get about 20-21mpg on highway only @ 55-60 mph
16-18 mpg whether have my foot in it or not around town

Derek

From: hisport <griffinjohnm@...>
To: subaruvanagon@...
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:57 PM
Subject: [subaruvanagon] SVX MPG



Bob:

I have a couple of SVX correspondents reporting ~20mpg highway, but pretty sure this is at 55 - 60 mph steady. Seems doable, as my 17 mpg to date is av 70+ mph, with a van that ain't running right (yet)

IMHO, vanagon (esp westy) mileage is more a function of lousy aerodynamics than cylinder count. My clapped out 1.9L WBX didn't do any better than 17, albeit WFO most of the time.

--- In subaruvanagon@..., Robert Stevens <mtbiker62@...> wrote:


On Apr 26, 2012, at 7:45 AM, hisport wrote:

So far, i'm seeing ~17mpg mixed, which is sorta disappointing, but seems to be the common experience.
I don't have the SVX engine in my van, but your mileage report is on the high end of what i've seen other
SVX-powered Vanagon owners report here on this list. If I can ask ¡­ where did you get the information
that your mileage would be above what you are getting now, before you installed the SVX?

Bob







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Re: SVX: Idle Fixed; Still Hesitates though...

 

Don: Great suggestions; I will do this.

- The sound you reference is high tension clicking? Coil voltage arcing to ground rather than firing the plug? Most easily heard while revving motor with stethoscope on plug coil?

Water spray bottle in the dark: Look for high tension leakage to ground when revving motor? (Like a bad set of plug wires on a foggy day?)

Always use OE subaru replacement coils? Do you typically replace all if one or two are failing?

Disconnect O2 sensors. If stumbling improves, then bad coil(s) indicated? (as richer mix is easier to fire?)

Appreciate the advice.

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "Don" <dkveuro@...> wrote:

You might try this : Run up the motor. Open the rear hatch and with a hose or stethoscope, listen around the coils as you pick up the rpm's.

Listen for a ticking...not the EVAP Valve. It is not uncommon for the coils to break down.( Most replacement coils read very low ohms, below the Subaru specs if you check the new ones..)

As the engine picks up under load, the ECU leans out the fueling to the point it becomes hard to fire off. If the coils are not up to snuff, they fail to spark the plug/s under these conditions.

Another way of checking coils is to spray them with water from a spay bottle....best done in the dark as then you'll see the spark/s.
Another check you can make is to disconnect the O2. This will cause the fueling to richen up slightly. test drive to check fro any change. reconnect O2 after test and clear code/s if set.


Remaining problem is low speed hesitation. Engine sorta stumbles upon part throttle low speed acceleration, especially up-shifting. May be worse when cold. Surges if allowed to fall to low speed in gear with no throttle (say rounding a neighborhood corner in third gear). Runs fine on the freeway. Makes smooth driving kinda tough.


Re: SVX: Idle Fixed; Still Hesitates though...

 

You might try this : Run up the motor. Open the rear hatch and with a hose or stethoscope, listen around the coils as you pick up the rpm's.

Listen for a ticking...not the EVAP Valve. It is not uncommon for the coils to break down.( Most replacement coils read very low ohms, below the Subaru specs if you check the new ones..)

As the engine picks up under load, the ECU leans out the fueling to the point it becomes hard to fire off. If the coils are not up to snuff, they fail to spark the plug/s under these conditions.

Another way of checking coils is to spray them with water from a spay bottle....best done in the dark as then you'll see the spark/s.
Another check you can make is to disconnect the O2. This will cause the fueling to richen up slightly. test drive to check fro any change. reconnect O2 after test and clear code/s if set.


Remaining problem is low speed hesitation. Engine sorta stumbles upon part throttle low speed acceleration, especially up-shifting. May be worse when cold. Surges if allowed to fall to low speed in gear with no throttle (say rounding a neighborhood corner in third gear). Runs fine on the freeway. Makes smooth driving kinda tough.


Re: SVX MPG

 

92 SVX into 86 MT vanagon
?
I too get about 20-21mpg on highway only @ 55-60 mph
16-18 mpg?whether have my foot in it or not around town
?
Derek

From: hisport <griffinjohnm@...>
To: subaruvanagon@...
Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 5:57 PM
Subject: [subaruvanagon] SVX MPG


?
Bob:

I have a couple of SVX correspondents reporting ~20mpg highway, but pretty sure this is at 55 - 60 mph steady. Seems doable, as my 17 mpg to date is av 70+ mph, with a van that ain't running right (yet)

IMHO, vanagon (esp westy) mileage is more a function of lousy aerodynamics than cylinder count. My clapped out 1.9L WBX didn't do any better than 17, albeit WFO most of the time.

--- In subaruvanagon@..., Robert Stevens <mtbiker62@...> wrote:


On Apr 26, 2012, at 7:45 AM, hisport wrote:

So far, i'm seeing ~17mpg mixed, which is sorta disappointing, but seems to be the common experience.
I don't have the SVX engine in my van, but your mileage report is on the high end of what i've seen other
SVX-powered Vanagon owners report here on this list. If I can ask ¡­ where did you get the information
that your mileage would be above what you are getting now, before you installed the SVX?

Bob


Re: SVX Hesitation

 

Thanks Neil

I will try one of these chips, though I feel that the forum archives are a bit inconclusive as to whether they fully address the hesitation problem (or perhaps just make it a little less horrible?) Sure like to fix the basic problem, THEN take advantage of the chip benefits.

I have an extra SVX ECU, and may do a comparison.

John (separate post; this thread)seems to have fixed the problem by tricking the ECU into reprogramming itself, somehow.

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "Neil" <furrylittleotter@...> wrote:


I hate to say it, and I'm not selling anything but you may want to get the chip, it pays for itself using 87 octane. I seem to remember drivibility improving when I popped it in.

I don't drive my van all that hard, it LOVES to be wound out a little. I am old school VW from way back, so it was hard for me to get used to driving higher RPMs, but this is not a VW motor, it bogs big time when loaded, especially on these SoCal hills and against the wind. Weight is not nearly as much a factor as wind. I towed a Kit car cross-country with a HEAVILY loaded van and it cheerfully tugged it, unless the wind was against us, then it bogged and mileage was practically cut in half.

I don't want to get into a discussion on tyres here.

I am also going to shy away from the mileage question here, I'd rather work toward a solution to your drivibility question, since that was the original post.

Neil


Re: SVX: Idle Fixed; Still Hesitates though...

 

John

Very interesting! The plot thickens...

So, you ran for a couple of weeks without VSS, then hooked it up to the ECU (with your van running). CEL went out, and the van has run properly ever since (no hesitation?)

Was your idle speed OK and stable without VSS?

Did you also get code 33 with VSS disconnected?

What year is your SVX motor/ECU?

Do you not use premium? (I wasn't clear on this; some threads suggest knock sensors are kicking back ign advance, creating hesitation upon acceleration)

--- In subaruvanagon@..., "John" <lagunarace@...> wrote:

John, I have had similar issues with stumbling and hesitation with my SVX with Vanagon automatic. The wiring diagram shows a VSS input to the ECU but no specific information about how this input is used. Probably shift point input and low speed and idle response. My automatic runs great without the VSS but I get CEL with code 27 (OBD l). With a VSS hooked up the CEL goes away but it runs bad. This was consistent and it would run bad for weeks with the VSS. One day on my way home I pulled over and hooked up my Dan Flemming VSS, without turning off the motor. The light went out, and it has run great and the light stayed out. So suddenly it is happy with the VSS. This points to the adaptive nature of the ECU and when it may recalculate some parameters. If you are unable to pin point a more logical explanation for your issue, experiment with the VSS. By the way, here in California, premium is consistently 20 cents more the regular, representing a declining percentage of total cost for gas in the past few years. At $4.40 a gallon for premium you get to haul ass for .2588 cents per mile at 17 mpg. At 4.20 a gallon,not so much, and if you don't get 16.23 mpg you'r loosing money. John

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