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Re: Possible intake manifold swapping

 

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On Jan 3, 2025, at 10:00?AM, Cole Nutma via groups.io <cole.nutma@...> wrote:

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I was in the same boat as you. I used 1 in spacers, then didn't like how low the oil pan was. So i end?up cutting the engine lid, only where needed. After I cut it I made a cover out of aluminum. You don't?realize it when sleeping.?

On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 7:50?AM Bindu Miller via <bindumiller=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
My 07 2.5 installation only required 1 inch spacers to fit under the lid. Not sure why your intake is so much taller. I really have not heard of an installation needing more than 1 inch spacers. Maybe share a picture.
Re: Possible intake manifold swapping

 

I was in the same boat as you. I used 1 in spacers, then didn't like how low the oil pan was. So i end?up cutting the engine lid, only where needed. After I cut it I made a cover out of aluminum. You don't?realize it when sleeping.?


On Fri, Jan 3, 2025 at 7:50?AM Bindu Miller via <bindumiller=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
My 07 2.5 installation only required 1 inch spacers to fit under the lid. Not sure why your intake is so much taller. I really have not heard of an installation needing more than 1 inch spacers. Maybe share a picture.
Re: Possible intake manifold swapping

 

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Morning John.
I don’t know of any custom intake manifolds for our subs engines other than those offered by vendor Outfront Motors. ?They are beautiful but they ain’t cheap at around $1800 USD.


I don’t see whether they actually reduce the height as compared to your stock intake though.

One other way to allow the engine to ride a bit higher is to hack, scrape, and grind the vanagon engine cover so that the fiberglass or plastic cover frame and foam insulation is reduced, allowing the intake more headroom.

At this point I’m thinking that your planned route of installing a chopped oilpan is going to get you the best clearance.

Best of luck with your project.
Brent


On Jan 2, 2025, at 7:15?PM, John via groups.io <bigfoot51102@...> wrote:

Y’all have way more experience with this than I do. I have a 82 Westy and a 05 Impreza ej25. I have the Kennedy support and adapter. When I put it in originally, it was too tall to clear the lid so on someone’s advice, I’m sorry I don’t remember who’s advice from this group, I built spacers to lower the motor. All said and done, I now have about 4 inches of clearance on the pan. I do have the shorter pan on order but I was wondering if y’all know if there is another intake manifold that I can replace the current setup and remove, or reduce the height of, the 2.5 inch spacers. I don’t have the need, nor spare money, to lift the Vanagon at this time and I live in a small town that fully embraces terrible pot holes. Thanks in advance. John
ps yes I have tried to find the answer on my own but am striking out. ?

Re: Possible intake manifold swapping

 

My 07 2.5 installation only required 1 inch spacers to fit under the lid. Not sure why your intake is so much taller. I really have not heard of an installation needing more than 1 inch spacers. Maybe share a picture.

Re: Recommendations for Starting Battery

 
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Everstart Group 41 always worked for me with an 02 2.5L in my 88 AT. A ground cable from the starter ground to the frame is recommended. See threads on theSamba. The 86-91 VW starter is just adequate. I went with a high torque Bosch starter from an 02 Jetta TDI manual diesel with the WestyVentures adapter.
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Edit: the WestyVentures adapter is now available from T3 Technique and also RMW(VanCafe)

Possible intake manifold swapping

 

Y’all have way more experience with this than I do. I have a 82 Westy and a 05 Impreza ej25. I have the Kennedy support and adapter. When I put it in originally, it was too tall to clear the lid so on someone’s advice, I’m sorry I don’t remember who’s advice from this group, I built spacers to lower the motor. All said and done, I now have about 4 inches of clearance on the pan. I do have the shorter pan on order but I was wondering if y’all know if there is another intake manifold that I can replace the current setup and remove, or reduce the height of, the 2.5 inch spacers. I don’t have the need, nor spare money, to lift the Vanagon at this time and I live in a small town that fully embraces terrible pot holes. Thanks in advance. John
ps yes I have tried to find the answer on my own but am striking out. ?

Re: Recommendations for Starting Battery

 

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Fair enough. Thanks!
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From: Brent Weide via groups.io
Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2025 4:14 PM
To: SubaruVanagon@groups.io
Subject: Re: [SubaruVanagon] Recommendations for Starting Battery
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Good afternoon.
To answer your primary question:? There are no special requirements for a vanagon battery which will be starting and running a Subaru engine.
Since I’m hoping to halt a battery thread before it starts I will say that this topic is better suited for other forums/groups.
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Thanks,
Brent (moderator)

On Jan 2, 2025, at 12:46?PM, soquel.dude via groups.io <soquel.dude@...> wrote:
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Hi!
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I have a '90 Vanagon Westy GL, AT, EJ22E conversion (1993 2.2L Legacy Engine) that has a bad starting battery. I was wondering what folks are using for batteries in their Subaru conversions.
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This may seem like an off-topic question, but I wonder if the cranking requirements for starting an EJ22 are different from the requirements for a stock 2.1L waterboxer. So, I wanted to see what folks with conversions are using.
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Also, what group? I will probably stick with Group 41, but I've heard a lot of talk about Group T5 being a better fit under the passenger seat.

I'm currently looking at EverStart and Odyssey batteries. What else should I look at?
?
Thanks!
?
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Re: Recommendations for Starting Battery

 

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Good afternoon.
To answer your primary question: ?There are no special requirements for a vanagon battery which will be starting and running a Subaru engine.
Since I’m hoping to halt a battery thread before it starts I will say that this topic is better suited for other forums/groups.

Thanks,
Brent (moderator)

On Jan 2, 2025, at 12:46?PM, soquel.dude via groups.io <soquel.dude@...> wrote:

Hi!
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I have a '90 Vanagon Westy GL, AT, EJ22E conversion (1993 2.2L Legacy Engine) that has a bad starting battery. I was wondering what folks are using for batteries in their Subaru conversions.
?
This may seem like an off-topic question, but I wonder if the cranking requirements for starting an EJ22 are different from the requirements for a stock 2.1L waterboxer. So, I wanted to see what folks with conversions are using.
?
Also, what group? I will probably stick with Group 41, but I've heard a lot of talk about Group T5 being a better fit under the passenger seat.

I'm currently looking at EverStart and Odyssey batteries. What else should I look at?
?
Thanks!
?

Recommendations for Starting Battery

 

Hi!
?
I have a '90 Vanagon Westy GL, AT, EJ22E conversion (1993 2.2L Legacy Engine) that has a bad starting battery. I was wondering what folks are using for batteries in their Subaru conversions.
?
This may seem like an off-topic question, but I wonder if the cranking requirements for starting an EJ22 are different from the requirements for a stock 2.1L waterboxer. So, I wanted to see what folks with conversions are using.
?
Also, what group? I will probably stick with Group 41, but I've heard a lot of talk about Group T5 being a better fit under the passenger seat.

I'm currently looking at EverStart and Odyssey batteries. What else should I look at?
?
Thanks!
?

Re: List of Subaru repair vendors/shops?

 

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Vivid used to be up here in BC too. They were not known for being particularly good about getting repairs done on time and also they’d take piles of money upfront and there was some reports of people getting ripped off etc.

I’ve met the guy who owns it and he was always cool to me, just saying it didn’t end well up here?



On Wed, Jan 1, 2025 at 5:34?PM soquel.dude via groups.io <soquel.dude@...> wrote:
The VanAlert app and it's list of Vanagon repair shops is good. Here's another list:

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Also, IIRC, the OP wanted references to shops that do work on Subaru conversions. I live in the Sana Cruz area, so if you find yourself in my digs, there are 2 shops that I can recommend:
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Vivid Vans
http://www.vividvans.com/
831 201 4894
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* Good for all things Westy and Suby!
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Rick's Auto Shop
(831) 475-2470
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* Good for all things Suby engine related.

Re: Kennedy kit catalytic converter

 

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I just replaced my catalytic converter with the Walker, purchased directly from Kennedy. They were wonderful to deal with, and prompt. I received a copy of the executive order and the plate that comes with it. Passed smog with no problems at Autotek in the Sacramento area.?

Happy New Year?

Bob


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On Jan 1, 2025, at 5:30?PM, soquel.dude via groups.io <soquel.dude@...> wrote:

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I believe that for CA the KEP catalytic converter is the Walker cat, which you can get from KEP. I decided to get the same cat from SCP () especially since I wanted to weld flanges for a replacement muffler. The stamp on KEP's and SCP's cat is the same, so it refers to the same ARB EO, and should be no problem with BAR.
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Re: List of Subaru repair vendors/shops?

 

The VanAlert app and it's list of Vanagon repair shops is good. Here's another list:

?
Also, IIRC, the OP wanted references to shops that do work on Subaru conversions. I live in the Sana Cruz area, so if you find yourself in my digs, there are 2 shops that I can recommend:
?
Vivid Vans
http://www.vividvans.com/
831 201 4894
?
* Good for all things Westy and Suby!
?
Rick's Auto Shop
(831) 475-2470
?
* Good for all things Suby engine related.

Re: Kennedy kit catalytic converter

 

I believe that for CA the KEP catalytic converter is the Walker cat, which you can get from KEP. I decided to get the same cat from SCP () especially since I wanted to weld flanges for a replacement muffler. The stamp on KEP's and SCP's cat is the same, so it refers to the same ARB EO, and should be no problem with BAR.
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Re: Happy Holidays

 

Thanks, Brent, for all you do.??

Merry Christmas to you and your family!


On Tue, Dec 24, 2024 at 11:28?AM Group Moderator <SubaruVanagon+owner@groups.io> wrote:
Hey gang.?
Thanks for another year of sharing your SubaruVanagon knowledge and your support for the group.?
Hope you all have a great holiday and all the best in 2025!
Best
Brent



--
Jake
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Crescent Beach, BC
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1984 GL 1.9 WBX
1986 Westy Weekender with 2000 2.5 SOHC Subaru, 5 speed transaxle & PosiTrac Differential

Happy Holidays

Group Moderator
 

Hey gang.?
Thanks for another year of sharing your SubaruVanagon knowledge and your support for the group.?
Hope you all have a great holiday and all the best in 2025!
Best
Brent

Re: bogging

 

Bogging happens warm or cold. Just more evident when warm. Its not coolant sensor. Been replaced 2 yrs ago and is reading correctly.

Sean G


On Wednesday, December 18, 2024 at 08:31:41 AM MST, Richard Lamb via groups.io <rllamb_99@...> wrote:


Seems the bogging starts with a warm engine. Check the coolant temp sensor. Knock sensor is also critical to smooth engine operation, sort that out also.

Todd

Re: bogging

 

Seems the bogging starts with a warm engine. Check the coolant temp sensor. Knock sensor is also critical to smooth engine operation, sort that out also.

Todd

Re: bogging

 

Certainly sounds like it could be running lean, what's the long term fuel trim and front o2 sensor read with your scan gauge??

If it's not a fueling issue or the o2 sensor is borked and it thinks the lean condition is stoich, you'll see the reading oscillate around 0.5v and fuel trim will be close to zero.

If the o2 sensor is fine and it knows it's running lean but it's already added as much fuel as it's allowed to via fuel trim, you'll see the o2 reading pegged below 0.5v indicating a lean condition (over 0.5v is rich) and the trim will be more like +20% (or whatever it's limited to)

Try unplugging the o2 sensor and if it runs fine in open loop you know its bad.. this will set a code. I'm assuming it wasn't already showing any codes.

It'd be worth quickly checking the ignition coil/s, leads and valve cover gasket as it very well might be misfiring under load... What do the spark plugs look like? If it's running lean I'd expect them all to be white.. if it's a misfire they'd be black and damp



On Wed, 18 Dec 2024, 2:21?am SEAN GARRETT via , <doit.outdoors=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
Fuel pressure is unknown but pump is new 3 yrs ago and other cylinder spark plugs looked fine. MAP was replaced a yr ago with new. Fuel filter also replaced but worth checking do Ill put it on the list. Plug wires also replaced with oem last yr. The injectors were checked when new head was replaced 2 wks ago. .I have no codes that I haven’t had since original install in 2001 ( evap gas tank code and knock sensor). I know knock sensor has a short somewhere in the wire and I run 91 octane to avoid knocking. Note that I had 10 yrs of trouble free running with those codes. I think I will plan on running a new wire for knock sensor.
I might pull the whole harness out and send it to SC along with ecu to have it checked.

Uggggg

SeanG?

On Dec 16, 2024, at 5:40?PM, Robin Tapir via <robintapir=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

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Was the lean condition that burnt a valve cured? Sounds like it might be related to this bogging?

Is the fuel pump delivering enough pressure?
When was the last time the fuel filter was replaced?
The injectors could be clogged? Does your engine have a MAF or MAP sensor, with a MAF a vacuum leak will cause a lean condition

It's very hard to diagnose an issue over the internet with minimal information, you might have to describe what it's doing in a bit more detail


On Tue, 17 Dec 2024, 4:14?am SEAN GARRETT via , <doit.outdoors=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I lost a valve on cyl 3. Big chunk out of it. My mechanic said it was due to lean running condition.? I have had a persistent bogging issue for almost 2 yrs and unable to solve it here in Phoenix. There are competent mechanics here but they can’t seem to find it. Also was discovered that alt was charging at 15v, took 2 alternators to get one charging at 14 max. AND the starter had a short in it /parasitic drain. So here i am tired of a van that sucks me dry (5600) for this repair… I need to get this bog issue fixed or sell my syncro.

On Dec 15, 2024, at 5:22?PM, Brent Weide via <brent.weide=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

?Hey Sean.
Sadly, we can’t just point to one cause.
My first choice (and easiest to resolve) would be the accelerator linkage.? Make sure everything’s moving smoothly and the cable is taut.
If your engine is audibly gasping when accelerating then you’re into the area of checking for vacuum leaks, fuel delivery, and spark delivery.
Are you getting any codes?? We might need a bit more information for this one.

Best,
Brent

On Dec 15, 2024, at 1:29?PM, SEAN GARRETT via <doit.outdoors=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

What is bogging (at the pedal) caused by... rich or lean condition ?

Sean G
87 Syncro, 2000 2.5 SC conversion

Re: bogging

 

Update, as engine reached a good operating temperature, I experienced (city driving, stop and go) 3xtreme bucking, stalling at lights, surging low idle at lights, popping sound during acceleration between 1-2-3rd.

?~ Sean G


On Tuesday, December 17, 2024 at 10:13:30 AM MST, SEAN GARRETT via groups.io <doit.outdoors@...> wrote:


I have a Scan Gauge on my laptop. I can get live data while I drive. Is there anyone on the list that could tell me if any values /data I get could be suspect ? Like O2(pre cat), advance, etc… ?temp looks normal at 180…?

I just drove it cold this morning, terrible lack of power/bogging throttle at light to medium pedal push. However aggressive pedal push would accelerate good, lots of power , felt like it should. ?

Thats all for now?

On Dec 17, 2024, at 8:21?AM, SEAN GARRETT via groups.io <doit.outdoors@...> wrote:

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Fuel pressure is unknown but pump is new 3 yrs ago and other cylinder spark plugs looked fine. MAP was replaced a yr ago with new. Fuel filter also replaced but worth checking do Ill put it on the list. Plug wires also replaced with oem last yr. The injectors were checked when new head was replaced 2 wks ago. .I have no codes that I haven’t had since original install in 2001 ( evap gas tank code and knock sensor). I know knock sensor has a short somewhere in the wire and I run 91 octane to avoid knocking. Note that I had 10 yrs of trouble free running with those codes. I think I will plan on running a new wire for knock sensor.
I might pull the whole harness out and send it to SC along with ecu to have it checked.

Uggggg

SeanG?

On Dec 16, 2024, at 5:40?PM, Robin Tapir via groups.io <robintapir@...> wrote:

?

Was the lean condition that burnt a valve cured? Sounds like it might be related to this bogging?

Is the fuel pump delivering enough pressure?
When was the last time the fuel filter was replaced?
The injectors could be clogged? Does your engine have a MAF or MAP sensor, with a MAF a vacuum leak will cause a lean condition

It's very hard to diagnose an issue over the internet with minimal information, you might have to describe what it's doing in a bit more detail


On Tue, 17 Dec 2024, 4:14?am SEAN GARRETT via , <doit.outdoors=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I lost a valve on cyl 3. Big chunk out of it. My mechanic said it was due to lean running condition.? I have had a persistent bogging issue for almost 2 yrs and unable to solve it here in Phoenix. There are competent mechanics here but they can’t seem to find it. Also was discovered that alt was charging at 15v, took 2 alternators to get one charging at 14 max. AND the starter had a short in it /parasitic drain. So here i am tired of a van that sucks me dry (5600) for this repair… I need to get this bog issue fixed or sell my syncro.

On Dec 15, 2024, at 5:22?PM, Brent Weide via <brent.weide=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

?Hey Sean.
Sadly, we can’t just point to one cause.
My first choice (and easiest to resolve) would be the accelerator linkage.? Make sure everything’s moving smoothly and the cable is taut.
If your engine is audibly gasping when accelerating then you’re into the area of checking for vacuum leaks, fuel delivery, and spark delivery.
Are you getting any codes?? We might need a bit more information for this one.

Best,
Brent

On Dec 15, 2024, at 1:29?PM, SEAN GARRETT via <doit.outdoors=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

What is bogging (at the pedal) caused by... rich or lean condition ?

Sean G
87 Syncro, 2000 2.5 SC conversion

Re: bogging

 

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I have a Scan Gauge on my laptop. I can get live data while I drive. Is there anyone on the list that could tell me if any values /data I get could be suspect ? Like O2(pre cat), advance, etc… ?temp looks normal at 180…?

I just drove it cold this morning, terrible lack of power/bogging throttle at light to medium pedal push. However aggressive pedal push would accelerate good, lots of power , felt like it should. ?

Thats all for now?

On Dec 17, 2024, at 8:21?AM, SEAN GARRETT via groups.io <doit.outdoors@...> wrote:

?Fuel pressure is unknown but pump is new 3 yrs ago and other cylinder spark plugs looked fine. MAP was replaced a yr ago with new. Fuel filter also replaced but worth checking do Ill put it on the list. Plug wires also replaced with oem last yr. The injectors were checked when new head was replaced 2 wks ago. .I have no codes that I haven’t had since original install in 2001 ( evap gas tank code and knock sensor). I know knock sensor has a short somewhere in the wire and I run 91 octane to avoid knocking. Note that I had 10 yrs of trouble free running with those codes. I think I will plan on running a new wire for knock sensor.
I might pull the whole harness out and send it to SC along with ecu to have it checked.

Uggggg

SeanG?

On Dec 16, 2024, at 5:40?PM, Robin Tapir via groups.io <robintapir@...> wrote:

?

Was the lean condition that burnt a valve cured? Sounds like it might be related to this bogging?

Is the fuel pump delivering enough pressure?
When was the last time the fuel filter was replaced?
The injectors could be clogged? Does your engine have a MAF or MAP sensor, with a MAF a vacuum leak will cause a lean condition

It's very hard to diagnose an issue over the internet with minimal information, you might have to describe what it's doing in a bit more detail


On Tue, 17 Dec 2024, 4:14?am SEAN GARRETT via , <doit.outdoors=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:
I lost a valve on cyl 3. Big chunk out of it. My mechanic said it was due to lean running condition.? I have had a persistent bogging issue for almost 2 yrs and unable to solve it here in Phoenix. There are competent mechanics here but they can’t seem to find it. Also was discovered that alt was charging at 15v, took 2 alternators to get one charging at 14 max. AND the starter had a short in it /parasitic drain. So here i am tired of a van that sucks me dry (5600) for this repair… I need to get this bog issue fixed or sell my syncro.

On Dec 15, 2024, at 5:22?PM, Brent Weide via <brent.weide=gmail.com@groups.io> wrote:

?Hey Sean.
Sadly, we can’t just point to one cause.
My first choice (and easiest to resolve) would be the accelerator linkage.? Make sure everything’s moving smoothly and the cable is taut.
If your engine is audibly gasping when accelerating then you’re into the area of checking for vacuum leaks, fuel delivery, and spark delivery.
Are you getting any codes?? We might need a bit more information for this one.

Best,
Brent

On Dec 15, 2024, at 1:29?PM, SEAN GARRETT via <doit.outdoors=yahoo.com@groups.io> wrote:

What is bogging (at the pedal) caused by... rich or lean condition ?

Sean G
87 Syncro, 2000 2.5 SC conversion

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