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Re: Stumble/misfire under load EJ22

 

I have an 82 conversion to an EJ25 with small car components. Have had and maybe still have the problem but was told to look at the various fuel line/tank/and fuel filter diameters.? The problem primarily occurs after a lot of driving at high temps but it sounds like identical symptoms.? I didn't change out the tank but got a GoWesty pump/filter/line kit and it seemed to help but recently I've had a few stumbles too.? I'll follow this thread with interest but maybe high temps and diameter changes in the fuel path as something to look at?



-----Original Message-----
From: connor warren via groups.io <connor_warren59@...>
To: [email protected]
Sent: Sun, May 7, 2023 3:09 am
Subject: [SubaruVanagon] Stumble/misfire under load EJ22

Hey all,

I¡¯ve got a KEP EJ22 conversion from a 1992 Legacy in my 1982 Vanagon. I suddenly started getting a stumble/loss of power/misfire at cruising speed that is exacerbated under acceleration, primarily when rolling on the throttle after cruising at a constant speed. It¡¯s very intermittent, but is becoming more frequent and I am currently 600 miles from home but have a few free days to troubleshoot. The OBD1 computer is not throwing any codes.

The van has the following new parts:
Injectors
Fuel pump
Fuel filter
MAF sensor
IACV
Camshaft position sensor
Fresh long block from a very reputable engine builder
Harness from AutoVentures

It almost feels like a short in the ignition circuit with how intermittent it is.?

If anyone has had this same issue or has a suggestion of where to start troubleshooting, I¡¯m all ears. I¡¯ve got a decent compliment of tools with me and a factory service manual for my Vanagon as well as the 1992 Legacy that the engine was pulled from so I can run a decent diagnostic.

Thanks in advance!







Re: Stumble/misfire under load EJ22

 

I'm not sure if this applies or not.
Could it be a vacuum leak / loose vacuum line?
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I have a 92 ej22 in an 87 doka.
During my most recent smog check we couldn't get it to idle correctly.
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It had been sitting for a while.
So?I put in a brand new EGR valve, and did an oil change.
The tech did a pre-check test and it wasn't idling smooth.
He had me run out the old gas and then put fresh fuel in.
Next he suggested cleaning the MAF sensor.
Next was a set of fresh spark plugs
Each time we would try something and it would almost make it through the test
and then the idle would start bouncing around and it would fail.
During the last test he discovered a loose vacuum line and reconnected it.
That solved my problem. The idle immediately smoothed out.??
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It also dramatically dropped my idle Hydro Carbon measurement.
In past smog checks I was getting? around 120ppm (150ppm is maximum allowed amount).
After finding and fixing the vacuum leak my Hydro Carbon levels measured 23ppm.?
He said my engine is the cleanest burning Subaru he's ever tested.?

---------- Original Message ----------
From: "connor warren via groups.io" <connor_warren59@...>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [SubaruVanagon] Stumble/misfire under load EJ22
Date: Sun, 7 May 2023 00:09:02 -0700

Hey all,

I¡¯ve got a KEP EJ22 conversion from a 1992 Legacy in my 1982 Vanagon. I suddenly started getting a stumble/loss of power/misfire at cruising speed that is exacerbated under acceleration, primarily when rolling on the throttle after cruising at a constant speed. It¡¯s very intermittent, but is becoming more frequent and I am currently 600 miles from home but have a few free days to troubleshoot. The OBD1 computer is not throwing any codes.

The van has the following new parts:
Injectors
Fuel pump
Fuel filter
MAF sensor
IACV
Camshaft position sensor
Fresh long block from a very reputable engine builder
Harness from AutoVentures

It almost feels like a short in the ignition circuit with how intermittent it is. ?

If anyone has had this same issue or has a suggestion of where to start troubleshooting, I¡¯m all ears. I¡¯ve got a decent compliment of tools with me and a factory service manual for my Vanagon as well as the 1992 Legacy that the engine was pulled from so I can run a decent diagnostic.

Thanks in advance!




Stumble/misfire under load EJ22

 

Hey all,

I¡¯ve got a KEP EJ22 conversion from a 1992 Legacy in my 1982 Vanagon. I suddenly started getting a stumble/loss of power/misfire at cruising speed that is exacerbated under acceleration, primarily when rolling on the throttle after cruising at a constant speed. It¡¯s very intermittent, but is becoming more frequent and I am currently 600 miles from home but have a few free days to troubleshoot. The OBD1 computer is not throwing any codes.

The van has the following new parts:
Injectors
Fuel pump
Fuel filter
MAF sensor
IACV
Camshaft position sensor
Fresh long block from a very reputable engine builder
Harness from AutoVentures

It almost feels like a short in the ignition circuit with how intermittent it is.

If anyone has had this same issue or has a suggestion of where to start troubleshooting, I¡¯m all ears. I¡¯ve got a decent compliment of tools with me and a factory service manual for my Vanagon as well as the 1992 Legacy that the engine was pulled from so I can run a decent diagnostic.

Thanks in advance!


Re: Idle Issues.

 

"Just the various misfire codes..."? What does this mean? Stumble when coming to a stop,then at idle. I would give the IACV a good cleaning again and clean the throttle plate. Also check the VSS gap and clean the contacts. Subaru upper engine cleaner or Seafoam it. Try a fuel system cleaner.


Re: Idle Issues.

 

I wasn¡¯t really trying to insinuate the oil change did anything. Personally i had more so correlated to pure coincidence. No change in oil viscosity though.


Re: Idle Issues.

 

my question is why would changing the oil make things worse?? .. same viscocity ? is the oil up to temp . if its not increased strain from thick oil i would suspect something to do with compression maybe . what kind of condition is the subary engine in .?

maybe its a coincidence but .i am suspicious .?


Re: Idle Issues.

 

Maybe a ground wire, harness or the ECU.

Manny


Re: Idle Issues.

 

Very thorough, including smoke test at Throttle Body and IACV.....just a longshot guess, but did you use brand new gaskets for both?? I've had weird idle and "pop-pop-pop" in exhaust when downshifting (both on Subie 2.2 and 4-stroke motorcycle) and new gaskets fixed both.? Especially important on Throttle Body.

On Saturday, May 6, 2023 at 09:40:16 AM PDT, Willrburkett@... <willrburkett@...> wrote:


I have noticed a slight stumble at idle when I have come to stops over the last several months. It would happen every 10 seconds when idling for extended periods (stop lights, etc). Seemed like more of a hiccup if anything. Van has been running great besides that with no codes being thrown.?

Today I changed my oil and was letting van idle for an extended period and noticed that the idle was much rougher with the stumble much more frequent. Enough to throw misfire codes on all cylinders.?

Parts that are newer or I was able to swap for spares: plugs, wires, coil, O2 sensor, MAF sensor, knock sensor, injectors, fuel filter, and fuel pump. Tank is only a year or so old, was recently dropped and looked spotless.?

I had somewhat recent cleaned throttle body and IAC valve, but thought I would check they were still spotless. Smoked checked intake no apparent issues..?

1984 Westfalia with a 99 Legacy 2.2L motor installed using the RMW kit and Autoventures harness. Running a CV mounted VSS.?

Short video:?
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Looking for advice or ideas on where to possibly look next. Thanks in advance.?

-Will


Re: Idle Issues.

 

I have brand new injectors in it. I had diy cleaned the originals, but wanted to see if new would address the smaller hiccup i was having. Neither did the trick.


Re: Idle Issues.

 

Mine engine was doing the same and after changing the injectors, it ran smooth again.? Maybe clean the injectors in an ultra sound cleaner, and rebuild them with new filters. You can send the injectors out to be professionally rebuilt.??

My humble opinion.
Manny


Re: Idle Issues.

 

Thanks. Just the various misfire codes for cylinders 1,2,3, and 4. No other codes.


Re: Idle Issues.

 

What a very well composed initial condition post!? The only other helpful thing missing would be which code it is throwing.

Andy
505-304-5306

On Sat, May 6, 2023, 12:40 PM <Willrburkett@...> wrote:
I have noticed a slight stumble at idle when I have come to stops over the last several months. It would happen every 10 seconds when idling for extended periods (stop lights, etc). Seemed like more of a hiccup if anything. Van has been running great besides that with no codes being thrown.?

Today I changed my oil and was letting van idle for an extended period and noticed that the idle was much rougher with the stumble much more frequent. Enough to throw misfire codes on all cylinders.?

Parts that are newer or I was able to swap for spares: plugs, wires, coil, O2 sensor, MAF sensor, knock sensor, injectors, fuel filter, and fuel pump. Tank is only a year or so old, was recently dropped and looked spotless.?

I had somewhat recent cleaned throttle body and IAC valve, but thought I would check they were still spotless. Smoked checked intake no apparent issues..?

1984 Westfalia with a 99 Legacy 2.2L motor installed using the RMW kit and Autoventures harness. Running a CV mounted VSS.?

Short video:?
?

Looking for advice or ideas on where to possibly look next. Thanks in advance.?

-Will


Idle Issues.

 

I have noticed a slight stumble at idle when I have come to stops over the last several months. It would happen every 10 seconds when idling for extended periods (stop lights, etc). Seemed like more of a hiccup if anything. Van has been running great besides that with no codes being thrown.?

Today I changed my oil and was letting van idle for an extended period and noticed that the idle was much rougher with the stumble much more frequent. Enough to throw misfire codes on all cylinders.?

Parts that are newer or I was able to swap for spares: plugs, wires, coil, O2 sensor, MAF sensor, knock sensor, injectors, fuel filter, and fuel pump. Tank is only a year or so old, was recently dropped and looked spotless.?

I had somewhat recent cleaned throttle body and IAC valve, but thought I would check they were still spotless. Smoked checked intake no apparent issues..?

1984 Westfalia with a 99 Legacy 2.2L motor installed using the RMW kit and Autoventures harness. Running a CV mounted VSS.?

Short video:?
?

Looking for advice or ideas on where to possibly look next. Thanks in advance.?

-Will


Re: CV joint

 

Hi Rod, I recently replaced my CV joints on my 88 Westy w/auto trans. The van was converted two owners ago and also has the Small Call clocking plate. The two hole torque washers had been left off so I also left them off, the clocking plate seams thick enough to make up for the torque washers. I did use new serrated washers. The old CV joint had about 100K miles on them with no problems.
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Steve?

On 05/03/2023 8:10 AM MDT Rod Rayborn <britbike850@...> wrote:
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I have a small car set up¡­ ¡®85 Vanagon camper¡­ 2.5L Subaru¡­ manual and I am replacing the CV joints. The ECU pickup on the CV joint is a clocking plate and I just noticed that there is not very much threads availabile for the transaxle side¡­ less than 1/4¡± per bolt. I had been using the stock 2 hole torque washers in addition. Are these washers necessary when using the ECU clocking plate¡­ should I use longer bolts? Are they special bolts¡ªgrade8?
Thanks for any help,
Rod


CV joint

 

I have a small car set up¡­ ¡®85 Vanagon camper¡­ 2.5L Subaru¡­ manual and I am replacing the CV joints. The ECU pickup on the CV joint is a clocking plate and I just noticed that there is not very much threads availabile for the transaxle side¡­ less than 1/4¡± per bolt. I had been using the stock 2 hole torque washers in addition. Are these washers necessary when using the ECU clocking plate¡­ should I use longer bolts? Are they special bolts¡ªgrade8?
Thanks for any help,
Rod


Re: Cold Start Issue

 

I agree with coolant temp sensor and check the o2 sensors and exhaust for leaks


Re: Cold Start Issue

 

Coolant temp sensor. It's in the top coolant manifold.?


Re: Cold Start Issue

 

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Thanks Jon ¨C I had earlier replaced both the main relay and the fuel injection relay with brand new units. Those both worked fine, but sadly, did not solve this particular issue.

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By the way, I am assuming what you ae calling the fuel pump relay is what I am calling the fuel injection relay. If not, let me know!

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Thanks,

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Terry

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Jon Walhberg via groups.io
Sent: Friday, April 07, 2023 1:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [SubaruVanagon] Cold Start Issue

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I had a similar problem. Do you have a spare fuel pump relay??

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I swapped out a fuel pump for nothing, when it was a bad fuel pump relay. I got a relay from the junk yard and it fired up right away. Good luck!



On Apr 7, 2023, at 12:01 PM, Terry Cline <tcline001@...> wrote:

?Hello members - my first posting, be kind... :) I am not a mechanic, just a hobbyist with limited knowledge but wanting to be more self-reliant. I've seen that this group is made up of many very talented, knowledgeable members. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.

My issue: '87 Vanagon, updated the engine to a Subaru Legacy 1990-1994 model, end of 2022. ODB1. The engine has generally performed brilliantly compared to the older waterboxer (speed! climbing hills!). However, one show stopper has kept me from enjoying this performance increase. During cold weather (defined as anything colder than about 45 degrees), the engine will not start. It turns over effortlessly, but never "catches", for lack of a better description. As the temperature rises to somewhere above this, it starts easily.?

I have a video - about 197 mb - that demonstrates the problem. I think that is too large for this message system. Any way to get the video out to interested members?

I have checked the grounding, it appears solid. The original team who did the conversion - name withheld for now - recently changed the MAF sensor, put a different computer in, and checked fuel pressure, which was ok. No improvement. If anything it starts a bit rougher, much lower idle than before the changes. Perhaps they modified the idle system, or the computer is now affecting something else. I am not sure. Now they are thinking to check the crank shaft sensor. I will be taking it to them again (6 hour drive from my house!) next week for round two. It is REALLY hard to test as the company I am working with is in San Diego area which doesn't often get the cold weather to test against. And now spring is here. But the intention is to be able to visit more extreme areas (mountains, deserts, etc) and I simply can't take the vehicle into these areas currently.?

I am hoping to learn where we should be looking. My thought is that a sensor or two or three may be feeding the ECU incorrect or incomplete information after a cold night in the elements. Anywhere else we should be considering? Many thanks for any input you are willing to share.?

-Terry


Re: Cold Start Issue

 

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I had a similar problem. Do you have a spare fuel pump relay??

I swapped out a fuel pump for nothing, when it was a bad fuel pump relay. I got a relay from the junk yard and it fired up right away. Good luck!

On Apr 7, 2023, at 12:01 PM, Terry Cline <tcline001@...> wrote:

?Hello members - my first posting, be kind... :) I am not a mechanic, just a hobbyist with limited knowledge but wanting to be more self-reliant. I've seen that this group is made up of many very talented, knowledgeable members. Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.

My issue: '87 Vanagon, updated the engine to a Subaru Legacy 1990-1994 model, end of 2022. ODB1. The engine has generally performed brilliantly compared to the older waterboxer (speed! climbing hills!). However, one show stopper has kept me from enjoying this performance increase. During cold weather (defined as anything colder than about 45 degrees), the engine will not start. It turns over effortlessly, but never "catches", for lack of a better description. As the temperature rises to somewhere above this, it starts easily.?

I have a video - about 197 mb - that demonstrates the problem. I think that is too large for this message system. Any way to get the video out to interested members?

I have checked the grounding, it appears solid. The original team who did the conversion - name withheld for now - recently changed the MAF sensor, put a different computer in, and checked fuel pressure, which was ok. No improvement. If anything it starts a bit rougher, much lower idle than before the changes. Perhaps they modified the idle system, or the computer is now affecting something else. I am not sure. Now they are thinking to check the crank shaft sensor. I will be taking it to them again (6 hour drive from my house!) next week for round two. It is REALLY hard to test as the company I am working with is in San Diego area which doesn't often get the cold weather to test against. And now spring is here. But the intention is to be able to visit more extreme areas (mountains, deserts, etc) and I simply can't take the vehicle into these areas currently.?

I am hoping to learn where we should be looking. My thought is that a sensor or two or three may be feeding the ECU incorrect or incomplete information after a cold night in the elements. Anywhere else we should be considering? Many thanks for any input you are willing to share.?

-Terry


Re: code 24 . ECU is disabling some injectors to reduce RPM .

 

thanks Brent . I have an extra solenoid valve I can test with ..?
Thanks Todd but I use the spedometer sensor approach for the speed sensor .?
John . i will probe the VSS wiring to see .?

all three thoughtful replies . much appreciated .?