I¡¯m pushing 70.? Sail my 402 single handed all summer long.? It¡¯s a breeze.? ---Alan Pressman Windswept S402/34 Phone; 941-350-1559
This question is specifically for 402 owners. After a 10 year hiatus from sailboat ownership after selling my Sabre 362 in 2015, I am considering buying a Sabre 402.? I am curious if many (any) 402 owners single hand their boats?? I frequently singlehanded my former 362 and am wondering if it is more difficult or challenging on a 402.? My background- late 50¡¯s, relatively athletic, started with a Sabre 28, upgraded to a 362, since selling the 362 raced as crew on an IMX 40.? I understand everyone¡¯s skills and comfort levels are different so any and all thoughts welcome. ? Bill ?
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Bill, I occasionally single hand our 402, and before that our 38. ?I haven¡¯t single handed a 362, but have sailed on several, and I would say the difference is just scale For me the biggest issue is getting on and off the dock.
Rick
On Apr 25, 2025, at 1:51?PM, Mitchell Sogin via groups.io <mitchellsogin@...> wrote:
? I still single hand my 426 as an 80 year-old. U just need the age-appropriate assist devices such as electric winches.
Mitchell Sogin IPhone
5085661468
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On Apr 25, 2025, at 10:40?AM, Bill D via groups.io <Wpdragan@...> wrote:
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This question is specifically for 402 owners. After a 10 year hiatus from sailboat ownership after selling my Sabre 362 in 2015, I am considering buying a Sabre 402.? I am curious if many (any) 402 owners
single hand their boats? ?I frequently singlehanded my former 362 and am wondering if it is more difficult or challenging on a 402.? My background- late 50¡¯s, relatively athletic, started with a Sabre 28, upgraded to a 362, since selling the 362 raced as crew
on an IMX 40.? I understand everyone¡¯s skills and comfort levels are different so any and all thoughts welcome.
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Bill
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A bird must have made off with the wind vane on my Garmin GWS 10 wind transducer. It is completely missing.?
Does anyone have a Garmin wind vane kicking around that they would be willing to part with?
Any alternative suggestions are welcomed.?
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Alan Therrien
S/V Miss T
1982 Sabre 34 Mk II
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I still single hand my 426 as an 80 year-old. U just need the age-appropriate assist devices such as electric winches. Mitchell Sogin IPhone 5085661468
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On Apr 25, 2025, at 10:40?AM, Bill D via groups.io <Wpdragan@...> wrote:
? This question is specifically for 402 owners. After a 10 year hiatus from sailboat ownership after selling my Sabre 362 in 2015, I am considering buying a Sabre 402.? I am curious if many (any) 402 owners single hand their boats? ?I frequently singlehanded my former 362 and am wondering if it is more difficult or challenging on a 402.? My background- late 50¡¯s, relatively athletic, started with a Sabre 28, upgraded to a 362, since selling the 362 raced as crew on an IMX 40.? I understand everyone¡¯s skills and comfort levels are different so any and all thoughts welcome. ? Bill ?
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This question is specifically for 402 owners. After a 10 year hiatus from sailboat ownership after selling my Sabre 362 in 2015, I am considering buying a Sabre 402.? I am curious if many (any) 402 owners single hand their boats? ?I frequently singlehanded my former 362 and am wondering if it is more difficult or challenging on a 402.? My background- late 50¡¯s, relatively athletic, started with a Sabre 28, upgraded to a 362, since selling the 362 raced as crew on an IMX 40.? I understand everyone¡¯s skills and comfort levels are different so any and all thoughts welcome. ? Bill ?
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Re: Surveyor near Kennebunkport Maine
i know of a gentleman in Marvlehead. bot if you think that id too far?
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On Apr 24, 2025, at 8:10?AM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:
? So the same question goes for George Gallup. I need an insurance survey in the fall. He did that for me on Mt Desert in 2020 as well as the pre purchase in 2015.? I¡¯m not getting an answer to email or phone but he appears to still be operating, albeit under a different company name.? His reports are extremely thorough & he knows Sabres.? On Apr 24, 2025, at 7:35?AM, Alan via groups.io <alanpressman@...> wrote:
? Yes, I think Gene Barnes will travel to Maine for surveys.? ---Alan Pressman Windswept S402 Phone; 941-350-1559
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Does anyone have a referral for a Surveyor near Kennebunkport?? Is Gene Barnes still doing surveys and if so would he travel that far?
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Bill Akins
S30 #85 Stained Blue
Chicago
-- Dave Short SV One Timer 1997 S362 Mt Desert, ME
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+1 for DIY Bomar deck hatch glass replacement. ? I¡¯m not as handy as Mark so had a glass shop cut the new lenses!?
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- John
SV Ginger, Sabre 426
Annapolis?
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Re: Surveyor near Kennebunkport Maine
I recently used John McDonough for my 362 in Falmouth, ME. He was pleasant, responsive, and thorough.
His cell is:
+1 (603) 303-4104
Matt
S362 #110 Spartina
So Freeport, ME
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Scott,
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Replacing hatch lenses with commercially available acrylic/Plexiglas is something that a reasonably handy DIYer can tackle.? I replaced the crazed lenses on my S362 a few years back and have been very pleased with the results.
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There is a video on YouTube by a guy with a Catalina named 'Country Dancer' (I think) that I found particularly useful.?
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Also, at the suggestion of a friend of mine, I used double-sided tape to adhere the old lens to a rough-cut piece of acrylic/Plexiglas.? The old lens acted as a guide for my flush-cut router bit.? Perfect fit.
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Send me a private message if you want more details.?
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Mark Shaffer
Hullabaloo
Chesapeake Bay
362 #266
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Re: Surveyor near Kennebunkport Maine
Hi Bill,
I just worked with on a S32 in the Portland area earlier this week and found him very responsive and helpful.? ?There are four surveyors as I understand it with Maine Design, and they travel up and down the northeast coast (from Camden) it seems.? ?Good guy and I learned more than in prior surveys.
John
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John Kerney
Sabre 362?moreRecess! #190
Boothbay Harbor, ME/Boston, MA
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Re: Insurance and other stuff
Fellow Sabre 30 MKIII owner; This past season I has a similar experience.? ARBACIA (1989 MKIII) remains in the water year round.? In northeast (GSB/Long Island) my slip has bubbler system no need to haul-out.? I do short haul in July when yards are nearly vacant and replace zincs and perform thorough hull, rudder and rig check.??Insurance company requested I have out-of-water survey.? I changed insurance company and actually found that my home, auto, personal liability company would allow an in-water survey (still have full year in-water with once a year short haul).? My company is AMICA; they have a separate marine division.
Jim Gathard SV ARBACIA Sabre MKIII
Reflecting on age, health and changing priorities, we were debating putting Solace on the market. She spent last year on the hard while we rebuilt our cottage, sold the house and adjusted to retirement after a half century of intensely high pressure careers (labor and employment attorney and nursing director.) It¡¯s not fair to sideline a beautiful thoroughbred that¡¯s been part of our family for 22 years. The demand for a survey by BOAT US/Geico as a condition of renewal last week was the tipping point. I spoke to GEICO and explained that the boat was in secure land storage and asked for alternatives or a 12 month waiver of the survey. They were polite but inflexible, then offered to continue the current policy through the current term without the survey. I thanked them for the kind offer of the sleeves from their vest. The rep was still confused when I thanked her for her time and ended the conversation.
Once I get Solace cleaned up and inventoried, more will follow.
Pete
Solace, 1988 30 Mk III
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Pete,
I feel ya! ?We are in Oregon currently building a small (550 sq ft) cottage on my wife's brother's 20 acres. ?My bro-in-law and I are the two main crew, although I must give kudos to Kris, my partner of more than 50 years. She's all in on the construction, fetching tools, nails, schlepping lumber, whatever it takes. ?At 71, 76 and 73 respectively, it's a challenge, but a rewarding one. ?Maybe it's foolish at my age to be hanging out over the gable end about 20' above the ground in order to nail a sub facia in place. ?I guess the many years of sailing and racing where one routinely has to be very physical and stretch one's comfort level have made it somewhat easier at this stage in the journey. ?We will not move here permanently for awhile, still wishing to have a presence in TX. ?But we also understand the heightened risks of living right at the edge of Galveston Bay, so have been trying to find something modest away from the coast. ?And then there's the issue of our beloved Orion, at present on the hard in Toms River, NJ. ?We brought Orion to the Eastern Seaboard in 2017 after sailing her from NJ to TX in 2012 to complete a major refit. ? Since leaving TX, we have led the gypsy life when aboard, usually a week or two every two months in the winter and full summers aboard the last three years. ?The thought of maintaining a boat on the East Coast while living on the West Coast though does not resonate. ?And no way I'm paying $7k to transit the Panama Canal to bring her to the West Coast. ?Beyond that, the best cruising grounds on the left coast are south of the border in Mexico and then Puget Sound and the San Juans and the Canadian coast. The Oregon coast is rugged with nasty inlets and shallow bays. ?Not user friendly.
But wait! ?If we can find a reasonable housing compromise in TX, the flights to the East Coast are frequent and inexpensive. ?Therefore, I'm counting on several more years of sailing on Orion, though a sale is certainly more in our conversations these days.
Btw, I've had insurance through Progressive since we bought Orion in 2012. ?Kevin Severance in Kemah TX is my agent. ?They have never demanded a survey, although I did one a few years ago to establish a cost basis. ?It's my feeling that Kevin gets more wiggle room due to the volume he brings to Progressive, but I could be wrong. ?It may surprise some, but the Houston/Galveston area has the fourth larges concentration of boats in the country.
Dave, Orion, '87 38MKI #99 Toms River, NJ
On Thursday, April 24, 2025, 04:43:01 PM PDT, Peter Tollini via groups.io <sabre30@...> wrote:
Reflecting on age, health and changing priorities, we were debating putting Solace on the market. She spent last year on the hard while we rebuilt our cottage, sold the house and adjusted to retirement after a half century of intensely high pressure careers (labor and employment attorney and nursing director.) It¡¯s not fair to sideline a beautiful thoroughbred that¡¯s been part of our family for 22 years. The demand for a survey by BOAT US/Geico as a condition of renewal last week was the tipping point. I spoke to GEICO and explained that the boat was in secure land storage and asked for alternatives or a 12 month waiver of the survey. They were polite but inflexible, then offered to continue the current policy through the current term without the survey. I thanked them for the kind offer of the sleeves from their vest. The rep was still confused when I thanked her for her time and ended the conversation.
Once I get Solace cleaned up and inventoried, more will follow.
Pete
Solace, 1988 30 Mk III
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Re: Insurance and other stuff
Pete, I am sorry to hear that but I do know the feeling. Please continue being a member of this forum. I value your input.
Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
510 912-5800 cell
510 860-4640 fax
allisonleh@...
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On Apr 24, 2025, at 4:43?PM, Peter Tollini via groups.io <sabre30@...> wrote:
?Reflecting on age, health and changing priorities, we were debating putting Solace on the market. She spent last year on the hard while we rebuilt our cottage, sold the house and adjusted to retirement after a half century of intensely high pressure careers (labor and employment attorney and nursing director.) It¡¯s not fair to sideline a beautiful thoroughbred that¡¯s been part of our family for 22 years. The demand for a survey by BOAT US/Geico as a condition of renewal last week was the tipping point. I spoke to GEICO and explained that the boat was in secure land storage and asked for alternatives or a 12 month waiver of the survey. They were polite but inflexible, then offered to continue the current policy through the current term without the survey. I thanked them for the kind offer of the sleeves from their vest. The rep was still confused when I thanked her for her time and ended the conversation.
Once I get Solace cleaned up and inventoried, more will follow.
Pete
Solace, 1988 30 Mk III
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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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Insurance and other stuff
Reflecting on age, health and changing priorities, we were debating putting Solace on the market. She spent last year on the hard while we rebuilt our cottage, sold the house and adjusted to retirement after a half century of intensely high pressure careers (labor and employment attorney and nursing director.) It¡¯s not fair to sideline a beautiful thoroughbred that¡¯s been part of our family for 22 years. The demand for a survey by BOAT US/Geico as a condition of renewal last week was the tipping point. I spoke to GEICO and explained that the boat was in secure land storage and asked for alternatives or a 12 month waiver of the survey. They were polite but inflexible, then offered to continue the current policy through the current term without the survey. I thanked them for the kind offer of the sleeves from their vest. The rep was still confused when I thanked her for her time and ended the conversation.
Once I get Solace cleaned up and inventoried, more will follow.
Pete
Solace, 1988 30 Mk III
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Re: 34-2 Targa Propane Conversion
Sorry, I do not have the old CNG cylinders .
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On Apr 24, 2025, at 11:27?AM, kwhite390 via groups.io <kwhite390@...> wrote:
? Did you convert from CNG?? I'm looking for another CNG tank for my S38MKII.
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Re: 34-2 Targa Propane Conversion
Did you convert from CNG?? I'm looking for another CNG tank for my S38MKII.
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Re: Surveyor near Kennebunkport Maine
Gene did my survey last June in Rockland.
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So the same question goes for George Gallup. I need an insurance survey in the fall. He did that for me on Mt Desert in 2020 as well as the pre purchase in 2015.? I¡¯m not getting an answer to email or phone but he appears to still be operating, albeit under a different company name.? His reports are extremely thorough & he knows Sabres.?
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On Apr 24, 2025, at 7:35?AM, Alan via groups.io <alanpressman@...> wrote:
? Yes, I think Gene Barnes will travel to Maine for surveys.? ---Alan Pressman Windswept S402 Phone; 941-350-1559
Hi all,
?
Does anyone have a referral for a Surveyor near Kennebunkport?? Is Gene Barnes still doing surveys and if so would he travel that far?
?
Bill Akins
S30 #85 Stained Blue
Chicago
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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
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Re: Surveyor near Kennebunkport Maine
Yes, I think Gene Barnes will travel to Maine for surveys.? ---Alan Pressman Windswept S402 Phone; 941-350-1559
Hi all,
?
Does anyone have a referral for a Surveyor near Kennebunkport?? Is Gene Barnes still doing surveys and if so would he travel that far?
?
Bill Akins
S30 #85 Stained Blue
Chicago
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Alan
Bill D
John F
Matt Cheney
Bill Akins
John Kerney
Jim Gathard
Dylan Locsin, ¡°Magical,¡± S402 #35
David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME