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Re: 402 head/shower drains

 

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Yup, usually by the second time it’s committed to memory! LOL

Franz Alvarez
SV Tranquility, S38MKII
Installing seacocks in Mamaroneck, NY

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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Len Bertaux via groups.io <lbertaux@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2025 1:36:31 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [SabreSailboat] 402 head/shower drains
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On the 38mkii we have to remember to shut the sink drains both in the head and the forward cabin, otherwise risk taking water when heeling.
Len Bertaux

On Mar 22, 2025, at 1:23?PM, Jay Flynn via groups.io <Popgrowl@...> wrote:

?I put a one way valve in the sink drain and that solved the problem.?
Jay
362


On Mar 22, 2025, at 1:04?PM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:

? Ditto for the 362

On 3/22/2025 11:25 AM, Mike via groups.io wrote:
I have a 402 and regularly (well almost) close the sink drain valve when sailing particularly racing.? I have not noticed any backfill in the shower sump but have forgotten to close the seacock a few times and ended up filling the sink and the storage area behind the sink.? Mike
Sabre 402 #37
Southern Cross
Lake Ontario

On Friday, March 21, 2025 at 06:56:15 p.m. EDT, Jordan via groups.io <jordan.permoda@...> wrote:


Tony,?
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The sink itself is well above the waterline while at rest. On a hard port tack, you may take some water into the sink. As for the shower, I believe the strainer and shower pump act as a one-way valve to keep water from backfilling the shower.?
Hope that answers your question. Do you have a 402? You might want to check your layout.?

Best,
Jordan
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S402-047
formerly S36-087
Lake Michigan


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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME

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Jay Flynn
“Elizabeth Belle”
Sabre 362
1999 #212

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Franz Alvarez
S/V Tranquility - S38MKII
Re: 402 head/shower drains

 

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On the 38mkii we have to remember to shut the sink drains both in the head and the forward cabin, otherwise risk taking water when heeling.
Len Bertaux

On Mar 22, 2025, at 1:23?PM, Jay Flynn via groups.io <Popgrowl@...> wrote:

?I put a one way valve in the sink drain and that solved the problem.?
Jay
362


On Mar 22, 2025, at 1:04?PM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:

? Ditto for the 362

On 3/22/2025 11:25 AM, Mike via groups.io wrote:
I have a 402 and regularly (well almost) close the sink drain valve when sailing particularly racing.? I have not noticed any backfill in the shower sump but have forgotten to close the seacock a few times and ended up filling the sink and the storage area behind the sink.? Mike
Sabre 402 #37
Southern Cross
Lake Ontario

On Friday, March 21, 2025 at 06:56:15 p.m. EDT, Jordan via groups.io <jordan.permoda@...> wrote:


Tony,?
?
The sink itself is well above the waterline while at rest. On a hard port tack, you may take some water into the sink. As for the shower, I believe the strainer and shower pump act as a one-way valve to keep water from backfilling the shower.?
Hope that answers your question. Do you have a 402? You might want to check your layout.?

Best,
Jordan
?
S402-047
formerly S36-087
Lake Michigan


--
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME

--
Jay Flynn
“Elizabeth Belle”
Sabre 362
1999 #212

Re: 402 head/shower drains

 

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I put a one way valve in the sink drain and that solved the problem.?
Jay
362


On Mar 22, 2025, at 1:04?PM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:

? Ditto for the 362

On 3/22/2025 11:25 AM, Mike via groups.io wrote:
I have a 402 and regularly (well almost) close the sink drain valve when sailing particularly racing.? I have not noticed any backfill in the shower sump but have forgotten to close the seacock a few times and ended up filling the sink and the storage area behind the sink.? Mike
Sabre 402 #37
Southern Cross
Lake Ontario

On Friday, March 21, 2025 at 06:56:15 p.m. EDT, Jordan via groups.io <jordan.permoda@...> wrote:


Tony,?
?
The sink itself is well above the waterline while at rest. On a hard port tack, you may take some water into the sink. As for the shower, I believe the strainer and shower pump act as a one-way valve to keep water from backfilling the shower.?
Hope that answers your question. Do you have a 402? You might want to check your layout.?

Best,
Jordan
?
S402-047
formerly S36-087
Lake Michigan


--
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME

--
Jay Flynn
“Elizabeth Belle”
Sabre 362
1999 #212
Re: 402 head/shower drains

 

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Ditto for the 362

On 3/22/2025 11:25 AM, Mike via groups.io wrote:

I have a 402 and regularly (well almost) close the sink drain valve when sailing particularly racing.? I have not noticed any backfill in the shower sump but have forgotten to close the seacock a few times and ended up filling the sink and the storage area behind the sink.? Mike
Sabre 402 #37
Southern Cross
Lake Ontario

On Friday, March 21, 2025 at 06:56:15 p.m. EDT, Jordan via groups.io <jordan.permoda@...> wrote:


Tony,?
?
The sink itself is well above the waterline while at rest. On a hard port tack, you may take some water into the sink. As for the shower, I believe the strainer and shower pump act as a one-way valve to keep water from backfilling the shower.?
Hope that answers your question. Do you have a 402? You might want to check your layout.?

Best,
Jordan
?
S402-047
formerly S36-087
Lake Michigan


--
Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
Re: 402 head/shower drains

 

I have a 402 and regularly (well almost) close the sink drain valve when sailing particularly racing.? I have not noticed any backfill in the shower sump but have forgotten to close the seacock a few times and ended up filling the sink and the storage area behind the sink.? Mike
Sabre 402 #37
Southern Cross
Lake Ontario

On Friday, March 21, 2025 at 06:56:15 p.m. EDT, Jordan via groups.io <jordan.permoda@...> wrote:


Tony,?
?
The sink itself is well above the waterline while at rest. On a hard port tack, you may take some water into the sink. As for the shower, I believe the strainer and shower pump act as a one-way valve to keep water from backfilling the shower.?
Hope that answers your question. Do you have a 402? You might want to check your layout.?

Best,
Jordan
?
S402-047
formerly S36-087
Lake Michigan
Re: Seized seaco

 

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Thanks Pete, Dave

On Mar 22, 2025, at 10:08 AM, Pete Waterson via <peterjwaterson@...> wrote:

Sorry, my reply ended up here instead of being part of Dave’s thread. Thick fingers on a small keyboard!
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Pete Waterson
“颁丑补谤诲辞苍苍补测”
S38-2
Oriental, NC
Re: Seized seaco

 

Sorry, my reply ended up here instead of being part of Dave’s thread. Thick fingers on a small keyboard!
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Pete Waterson
“颁丑补谤诲辞苍苍补测”
S38-2
Oriental, NC
Re: Seized seaco

 

Dave:
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For most of us it’s a no brainer that if you take them all out for cleaning and as my boatyard suggested, bead blasting, you need to make sure that each tapered insert is identified with its location. I labeled each and every one of them with masking tape as I took them out, but when the yard did the bead blasting job, the tape got removed from a few of the inserts in the process and two of the same size seacock inserts must have got mixed up. I did use some of the Spartan lapping compound to try to bed them in properly, but the location was not easy to get to and it resulted in a slow drip from one of them, unless the nut was tightened to the point where it was difficult to turn the handle and only identifiable after the boat went back in the water of course! I was not real happy, but luckily the dripping eventually stopped and they all now work well. IMHO I think they are awesome seacocks,?
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Pete Waterson
“颁丑补谤诲辞苍苍补测”
S38-2
Oriental, NC
Re: Seized seacock

 

Yes, Dave. I tapped on the adjusting nut to push the cone out sideways.
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Greg
Re: Seized seacock

 

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Thanks Tim,

Dave

On Mar 21, 2025, at 11:37 PM, Tim Dokken via <timdokken@...> wrote:

I just serviced all of the Spartan Seacocks on my boat, before I started only 3 of my 10 worked, now they all unfrozen and work as they should.
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I used the Spartan service kit, which I bought here: ?
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I then followed the instructions that Stephanie posted, really glad I had those. ?For the Seacocks that were frozen, I chose to lightly tap on the handle with a small hammer, and that freed all of them. ?I was very careful, as I knew not to "beat" on them. ?Turns out all of mine were in great shape, and I only had to lap 2 of them. ?The rest I was able to simply clean up with a solvent degreaser, re-grease and then reassemble. ?
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In total it took an afternoon to do all of them, but really glad I did.
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Tim Dokken
1985 Sabre 32 #59
Bayfield, WI
Re: Glow Plugs

 

I changed mine a couple of years ago as a precaution. Bench tested the 38 year old ones with a 12 v battery and they worked just fine. Kept the old ones just in case.
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Sojourn 30-3
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Re: Glow Plugs

 

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I changed mine prophylacticly a few years ago when had injectors service but I think they had been working fine. At that point they were probably 20+ years old.?


On Mar 21, 2025, at 10:41?PM, Tim Dokken via groups.io <timdokken@...> wrote:

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I found an old post about Glow Plugs, but was unable to answer this question:
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Are Glow Plugs a service item like spark plugs? ?I wouldn't think so but I thought I would ask all of you. ?Mine in my W21 are original, and I was able to pick up a new set off of Amazon for $54. ?I am assuming that if they all are the proper resistance and heat up to start the engine that is all they need to do, but maybe there is a reason to change them as preventative maintenance?
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Thanks everyone.
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Tim Dokken
1985 Sabre 32 #59
Bayfield, WI

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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
Re: Tri-Radial Spinnaker and Storm Trysail, 38MKII, on consignment with Bacon Sails in Annapolis.

 

We have an asymmetric, which stays with us and is used.? You should do a search to see if Bacon Sails has a suitable asymmetric on consignment.
Good luck,
Gus, S38MKII Wings. duet
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Glow Plugs

 

I found an old post about Glow Plugs, but was unable to answer this question:
?
Are Glow Plugs a service item like spark plugs? ?I wouldn't think so but I thought I would ask all of you. ?Mine in my W21 are original, and I was able to pick up a new set off of Amazon for $54. ?I am assuming that if they all are the proper resistance and heat up to start the engine that is all they need to do, but maybe there is a reason to change them as preventative maintenance?
?
Thanks everyone.
?
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Tim Dokken
1985 Sabre 32 #59
Bayfield, WI
Re: Seized seacock

 

I just serviced all of the Spartan Seacocks on my boat, before I started only 3 of my 10 worked, now they all unfrozen and work as they should.
?
I used the Spartan service kit, which I bought here: ?
?
I then followed the instructions that Stephanie posted, really glad I had those. ?For the Seacocks that were frozen, I chose to lightly tap on the handle with a small hammer, and that freed all of them. ?I was very careful, as I knew not to "beat" on them. ?Turns out all of mine were in great shape, and I only had to lap 2 of them. ?The rest I was able to simply clean up with a solvent degreaser, re-grease and then reassemble. ?
?
In total it took an afternoon to do all of them, but really glad I did.
?
--
Tim Dokken
1985 Sabre 32 #59
Bayfield, WI
Re: Seized seacock

 

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Greg, is the ‘light wack’ is on the adjusting nut?

Thanks, Dave

On Mar 21, 2025, at 10:24 PM, greglocke03 via <greglocke03@...> wrote:

I had to service most of mine which were frozen before Geico would insure the boat.
I found that once you remove the lock nut and loosen the adjusting nut, a light wack with a hammer did the trick. Be sure to protect the threads on the cone stud if you go this route. I unscrewed the adjusting nut enough to protect the threads, and tapped on the nut not the stud.
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Greg
34-338
Duet
Re: Seized seacock

 

I had to service most of mine which were frozen before Geico would insure the boat.
I found that once you remove the lock nut and loosen the adjusting nut, a light wack with a hammer did the trick. Be sure to protect the threads on the cone stud if you go this route. I unscrewed the adjusting nut enough to protect the threads, and tapped on the nut not the stud.
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Greg
34-338
Duet
Re: Seized seacock

 

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LOL, thanks Stephanie

Dave

On Mar 21, 2025, at 9:53 PM, Stephanie via <Shburgess1207@...> wrote:




I believe the grease is listed here. With the best way to free the cone style.?

A rewarding job that lasts many years.?

Please don’t ask if you should replace them or comment if you have a preference for a different style! ?That’s the dreaded seacock wars!?

Stephanie
Arista, S36 #67, Lake Ontario?

On Mar 21, 2025, at 20:20, David Gerhardt via <davidgerhardt56@...> wrote:

?I tried to find the thread on ‘how to unseize a seacock in the archives but ran out of ‘search patience’. ?What is the procedure to free up a seacock? ?Once it is free, what category of lubricant do I use?

Thanks, Dave G

Serenade S34-1 #184
NB, Canada





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Stephanie
Moderator

Sabre 36, #67
Formerly Sabre 28-2, #289
Wilson Harbor, NY Lake Ontario


Re: Seized seacock

 

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I believe the grease is listed here. With the best way to free the cone style.?

A rewarding job that lasts many years.?

Please don’t ask if you should replace them or comment if you have a preference for a different style! ?That’s the dreaded seacock wars!?

Stephanie
Arista, S36 #67, Lake Ontario?
Shburgess1207@...?

On Mar 21, 2025, at 20:20, David Gerhardt via groups.io <davidgerhardt56@...> wrote:

?I tried to find the thread on ‘how to unseize a seacock in the archives but ran out of ‘search patience’. ?What is the procedure to free up a seacock? ?Once it is free, what category of lubricant do I use?

Thanks, Dave G

Serenade S34-1 #184
NB, Canada





--
Stephanie
Moderator

Sabre 36, #67
Formerly Sabre 28-2, #289
Wilson Harbor, NY Lake Ontario

Seized seacock

 

I tried to find the thread on ‘how to unseize a seacock in the archives but ran out of ‘search patience’. What is the procedure to free up a seacock? Once it is free, what category of lubricant do I use?

Thanks, Dave G

Serenade S34-1 #184
NB, Canada

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