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Re: Electric Head with Macerator
Hey Tim,
Yes, you can rotate the base on most marine macerating heads - one of the best things I’ve done for the family on our 38mkii.
We are potty training a 2 year old and the kid tends to flush an entire roll of tp if not checked. The 5 year old isn’t much better… The old manual head just started leaking from all seals. Electric macerating toilets have a lot less moving parts, power draw is low and they smell better (especially if converted to fresh water). Plus it’s easy for visitors and doesn’t clog or leak half as often.
We used a model from 5 Oceans, but again I believe most bases can rotate on installation to fit the platform. We installed an air-gap fill and 3 way valve so that we can switch between raw water or fresh without worry of contaminating fresh water.
TMC Electric Marine Toilet, RV...
Stamp Walden
Sabre 38mkii
Oriental, NC
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Hi Jay,
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Hempel has been around for many decades.? They are a major supplier to the commercial shipping and offshore sector and have a full range of paints.
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I am wondering if the sales rep mentioned "silicone" - there are a number of new products on the market that use this as a "fouling release" coating.
I believe that Delos tried a similar product on their boat but not sure of the long term outcome.
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I worked on a number of coating research projects that included using fluoropolymers, PTFE additives, silicones and siloxanes.? I could never really find something that was a perfect solution although the fluoropolymers showed promise.? This is 25 years ago now.
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Selectope (developed in Sweden) is likely the most promising technology available right now as far as I know.? Pettit has the rights to the product as an additive to their bottom paints and I believe they are waiting on EPA approval for use in US waters.? The EU has approved it so I expect it should be available soon.
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I would avoid silicone based paints on your boat (in my opinion) as they may be challenging to remove in the long run and make it difficult to switch to another coating.
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Tim R
38MKII in refit
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Re: Insurance Survey Req - Annapolis
Thank you all for all your responses. ?I decided I am going with Progressive.
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Fingers crossed……
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Bob Lucke
1989 S30 III (#215)?FINALLEE
Galesville, MD
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Has anyone heard of Hempel Bottom Paint?
At the Boat Show last week I spoke with a fellow who had a booth selling this non toxic, very slick, Hempel bottom paint.?
He said that as Europe becomes more restrictive about using toxic paints, this product has become quite popular.?
I wouldn’t know.?
The samples he had at his booth showed the paint to have a rubbery “orange peel” texture that at first glance you’d think would be dreadfully slow. But when you get it wet, it’s super slick, surprisingly so. And that not only gives you greater boat speed, but keeps the bad stuff from sticking to the bottom.?
Or so they say.?
He said there will be growth around the boat when at the dock, I think he called it a shadow, but once the boat goes in motion, it all comes off.?This includes sailboats.?
Putting it on for the first time seems expensive and labor intensive. You need 3 separate products (it will go over existing bottom paint), the final coating being this slick stuff. It also works on the prop.?
It’s $400 a gallon, two gallons for my 36’ boat (he thought maybe 11/2? gallons). Once you do the first application using the 3 products, from then on it’s just putting on the slick stuff, every two years.?
That’s what he says.?
I’d be curious to know if anyone has first hand experience with this product.
BTW, it’s only been a few months (but oh how things grow in South Florida) however I’m cautiously optimistic about my Sea Hawk Biocop tf to date.?
Jay
“Elizabeth Belle”
S362
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Jay Flynn
“Elizabeth Belle”
Sabre 362
1999 #212
Re: Alternatives to Starlink
We have Starlink mini, the DC power cable is ridiculously under sized, AWG 18. ?When connected to 13V the voltage drop is enough that it won’t stay powered on. ? We added a 12-24V converter to power reliably. We love it as we are able to both work and keep
in touch with our children while in French Polynesia.?
Velina?
Second Wind
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On Feb 25, 2025, at 5:46?PM, Allison Lehman via groups.io <allisonleh@...> wrote:
? Michael you can convert it to DC and the draw is much lower.
Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
510 912-5800 cell
510 860-4640 fax
allisonleh@... ? ? ??
On Feb 25, 2025, at 1:20?PM, Michael Grishman via groups.io <mgrishman@...> wrote:
? OK.? I'm almost sorry I started this thread.? I did not bring this subject up to start any kind of political
discussion.? We only coastal cruise and only within the state of Maine.? We are never out of sight of
land and carry a VHF, two cell phones, and an EPIRB.? We do not think of Starlink as a piece of safety
gear but as a convenience to access email and the internet.?? I will say that the Starlink worked very well
for our intended purpose at anchor.? We have never used it underway and have no intention of doing so.
The antenna is stored below deck and brought out only at anchor.? We also find that the power drain
is a bit much.? We have to run either our charger/inverter or our genset to power it up therefor we
tend to use it sparingly.
Michael
Wind Walker
S402-097
On 2/25/2025 11:51 AM, Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Thank you! EPIRB or PLB. Sat phones are a good idea also.
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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
Michael you can convert it to DC and the draw is much lower. Allison Lehman Swiftsure Yachts 510 912-5800 cell 510 860-4640 fax allisonleh@... ? ? ??
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On Feb 25, 2025, at 1:20?PM, Michael Grishman via groups.io <mgrishman@...> wrote:
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OK.? I'm almost sorry I started this thread.? I did not bring this
subject up to start any kind of political
discussion.? We only coastal cruise and only within the state of
Maine.? We are never out of sight of
land and carry a VHF, two cell phones, and an EPIRB.? We do not
think of Starlink as a piece of safety
gear but as a convenience to access email and the internet.?? I will
say that the Starlink worked very well
for our intended purpose at anchor.? We have never used it underway
and have no intention of doing so.
The antenna is stored below deck and brought out only at anchor.? We
also find that the power drain
is a bit much.? We have to run either our charger/inverter or our
genset to power it up therefor we
tend to use it sparingly.
Michael
Wind Walker
S402-097
On 2/25/2025 11:51 AM, Jonathan Ganz
wrote:
Thank you! EPIRB or PLB. Sat phones are a good idea also.
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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
Yes thank you Pete. I love this group because it is a helping group sharing of knowledge with young and old sailors experienced and new sailors. This is the first I’ve experienced judgement. As we all have unique stories of how we got to be sailors and are
all drawn to the sea I hope we can focus on our commonalities and not differences and continue to share the love of the Sea, Sabre’s and Sailing!
Velina?
Second Wind
Sabre 426
SF Bay and currently S Pacific
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On Feb 25, 2025, at 3:27?PM, Allison Lehman via groups.io <allisonleh@...> wrote:
? Thank you Pete?
On Feb 25, 2025, at 8:22?AM, Peter Tollini via groups.io <sabre30@...> wrote:
I detect a powerful odor of politics infecting a sailing group. It’s happened before and rarely ends well.?
Pete
On Feb 25, 2025, at 10:42 AM, James Wilson via groups.io <jameswilson29@...> wrote:
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The difference is one of attitude.? It seems a lot of new sailors cannot tell the difference between an inconvenience and a true emergency.? Your boat is sinking or on fire = emergency.?
You lose electrical power, the engine won't start, there are big waves and strong winds, and you have some water ingress = inconvenience. Old school sailors believe in self-reliance; new sailors cry for help at the drop of a hat.? Old school sailor rescued
themselves in the event of a dismasting?or took to a liferaft if the boat was really sinking; new school sailors are a bunch of babies who call for help when the freezer and a/c don't work, then think the USCG will take them back out to their boats to retrieve
it.? New school sailors need internet access and satellite phones.
**
James H. Wilson, Jr.
Attorney & Counsellor at Law
By appt. only:
4860 Cox Road, Suite 200
Glen Allen, VA 23060
804-740-6464
jameswilson29@...
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On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 10:17?AM PIOTR SERWIK via
<cuivier1= [email protected]> wrote:
EPIBR and PLB simply send an SOS/Mayday, and VHF is very limited distance-wise. So not compatible at all. Regardless, I'm not about to extoll virtues of Starlink, but I was in situations without ability to communicate in a State-wide emergencies, and would
have paid any price to be able to communicate.?
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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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Re: Electric Head with Macerator
Thanks Don,
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This is specific to the 38-II as the foot print is limited and I am wondering if you can mount the macerator 90 degrees to the bowl.
I think you can from what I have read online but wanted to see if anybody has done it yet.
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It could possibly be hooked to starlink only for "flush mode" :-)
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I won't be able to flush overboard as the boat is now compliant for the great lakes - I removed the y valve and it will only flush to the holding tank.
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There is also no anti-siphon valve on the intake hose which I find strange.? I will be installing one.
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Tim R
38MKII in refit
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From: Dan Grossman <ldg004@...> Date: February 25, 2025 at 18:22:36 EST To: [email protected]Subject: [SabreSailboat] Alternatives to Starlink
? ? A little off-topic, but… Starlink did get a head start over something like five competitors. These kinds of systems take enormous amounts of financing and engineering, which take a long time. On top of that, Space-X has most of the world’s launch capacity, so the other guys have to use their competitor.
?As I mentioned, the most advanced of the competition is AST Spacemobile. They just got their experimental license from the FCC to use some of AT&T and Verizon’s spectrum a few months ago. The first public demo was yesterday. ?No announcement as to when they will be open for service; I suspect it will be at least a year, but don’t quote me.
The good thing about AST Spacemobile is that you don’t need a big antenna panel; you can use a 5G phone with a software upgrade and your existing Verizon or AT&T account. Handheld, no additional cost for hardware, battery powered. I don’t know whether the terrestrial network can hand off to satellite if it loses signal during a call. AST also claims that they can handle non-line-of-sight, not that getting a view of the sky is a big deal on a sailboat. I also don’t know how speed and latency compare.
Amazon/Kuiper is up next. ?I haven’t seen much activity from them recently. There’s also OneWeb, and a Chinese company and probably a few more that don’t come to mind right now.?
On Feb 25, 2025, at 16:25, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:
? I think it is fine to bring this up. It shows there is demand for broadband connections while cruising down the coast or across oceans. What is lamentable is there is only one option, there is no competition which leave us at the whims of the provider. At the moment, it is a monopoly, and that is never good for the consumer.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Feb 25, 2025, at 4:20?PM, Michael Grishman via groups.io <mgrishman@...> wrote:
OK.? I'm almost sorry I started this thread.? I did not bring this
subject up to start any kind of political
discussion.? We only coastal cruise and only within the state of
Maine.? We are never out of sight of
land and carry a VHF, two cell phones, and an EPIRB.? We do not
think of Starlink as a piece of safety
gear but as a convenience to access email and the internet.?? I will
say that the Starlink worked very well
for our intended purpose at anchor.? We have never used it underway
and have no intention of doing so.
The antenna is stored below deck and brought out only at anchor.? We
also find that the power drain
is a bit much.? We have to run either our charger/inverter or our
genset to power it up therefor we
tend to use it sparingly.
Michael
Wind Walker
S402-097
On 2/25/2025 11:51 AM, Jonathan Ganz
wrote:
Thank you! EPIRB or PLB. Sat phones are a good idea also.
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
? Starlink did get a head start over something like five competitors. These kinds of systems take enormous amounts of financing and engineering. On top of that, Space-X has most of the world’s launch capacity, so the other guys have to use their competitor.
?As I mentioned, the most advanced of the competition is AST Spacemobile. They just got their experimental license from the FCC to use some of AT&T and Verizon’s spectrum a few months ago. The first public demo was yesterday. ?No announcement as to when they will be open for service; I suspect it will be at least a year, but don’t quote me.
The good thing about AST Spacemobile is that you don’t need a big antenna panel; you can use a 5G phone with a software upgrade and your existing Verizon or AT&T account. Handheld, no additional cost for hardware, battery powered. I don’t know whether the terrestrial network can hand off to satellite if it loses signal during a call. AST also claims that they can handle non-line-of-sight, not that getting a view of the sky is a big deal on a sailboat. I also don’t know how speed and latency compare.
Amazon/Kuiper is up next. ?I haven’t seen much activity from them recently. There’s also OneWeb, and a Chinese company and probably a few more that don’t come to mind right now.?
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On Feb 25, 2025, at 16:25, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:
? I think it is fine to bring this up. It shows there is demand for broadband connections while cruising down the coast or across oceans. What is lamentable is there is only one option, there is no competition which leave us at the whims of the provider. At the moment, it is a monopoly, and that is never good for the consumer.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
On Feb 25, 2025, at 4:20?PM, Michael Grishman via groups.io <mgrishman@...> wrote:
OK.? I'm almost sorry I started this thread.? I did not bring this
subject up to start any kind of political
discussion.? We only coastal cruise and only within the state of
Maine.? We are never out of sight of
land and carry a VHF, two cell phones, and an EPIRB.? We do not
think of Starlink as a piece of safety
gear but as a convenience to access email and the internet.?? I will
say that the Starlink worked very well
for our intended purpose at anchor.? We have never used it underway
and have no intention of doing so.
The antenna is stored below deck and brought out only at anchor.? We
also find that the power drain
is a bit much.? We have to run either our charger/inverter or our
genset to power it up therefor we
tend to use it sparingly.
Michael
Wind Walker
S402-097
On 2/25/2025 11:51 AM, Jonathan Ganz
wrote:
Thank you! EPIRB or PLB. Sat phones are a good idea also.
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
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On Feb 25, 2025, at 8:22?AM, Peter Tollini via groups.io <sabre30@...> wrote:
I detect a powerful odor of politics infecting a sailing group. It’s happened before and rarely ends well.? Pete On Feb 25, 2025, at 10:42 AM, James Wilson via groups.io <jameswilson29@...> wrote:
? The difference is one of attitude.? It seems a lot of new sailors cannot tell the difference between an inconvenience and a true emergency.? Your boat is sinking or on fire = emergency.? You lose electrical power, the engine won't start, there are big waves and strong winds, and you have some water ingress = inconvenience. Old school sailors believe in self-reliance; new sailors cry for help at the drop of a hat.? Old school sailor rescued themselves in the event of a dismasting?or took to a liferaft if the boat was really sinking; new school sailors are a bunch of babies who call for help when the freezer and a/c don't work, then think the USCG will take them back out to their boats to retrieve it.? New school sailors need internet access and satellite phones. **
James H. Wilson, Jr.
Attorney & Counsellor at Law By appt. only: 4860 Cox Road, Suite 200 Glen Allen, VA 23060 804-740-6464 jameswilson29@...
** On Tue, Feb 25, 2025 at 10:17?AM PIOTR SERWIK via <cuivier1= [email protected]> wrote: EPIBR and PLB simply send an SOS/Mayday, and VHF is very limited distance-wise. So not compatible at all. Regardless, I'm not about to extoll virtues of Starlink, but I was in situations without ability to communicate in a State-wide emergencies, and would have paid any price to be able to communicate.?
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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
?Michel, ?
A good cell booster might be the ticket for you. We have Wilson booster with a bullet antenna and heavy antenna cable. ?It gives us a pretty good hotspot in sight of land usually.?
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On Feb 25, 2025, at 4:20?pm, Michael Grishman via groups.io <mgrishman@...> wrote:
? OK.? I'm almost sorry I started this thread.? I did not bring this subject up to start any kind of political
discussion.? We only coastal cruise and only within the state of Maine.? We are never out of sight of
land and carry a VHF, two cell phones, and an EPIRB.? We do not think of Starlink as a piece of safety
gear but as a convenience to access email and the internet.?? I will say that the Starlink worked very well
for our intended purpose at anchor.? We have never used it underway and have no intention of doing so.
The antenna is stored below deck and brought out only at anchor.? We also find that the power drain
is a bit much.? We have to run either our charger/inverter or our genset to power it up therefor we
tend to use it sparingly.
Michael
Wind Walker
S402-097
On 2/25/2025 11:51 AM, Jonathan Ganz wrote:
Thank you! EPIRB or PLB. Sat phones are a good idea also.
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Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
The same with the garmin tracker as well. I get text right to my phone.?
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On Feb 25, 2025, at 6:08?pm, Carter Brey via groups.io <carter.brey@...> wrote:
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I suppose it's fair to say that Michael is seeking an Alternativ für Sabre.
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Seriously, if you don't need high bandwidth, I've had a great experience with Iridium Go Exec. Yes, it's much slower than Starlink. But a great safety advantage is the fact that you can simply bring it along with you should you need to abandon ship, sending
texts or making phone calls.
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Carter Brey
T40 Lyra
City Island, NY
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Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
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Re: Electric Head with Macerator
Yes we used the Dometic basic model. I forget the model number but it was chosen because it fit not because it’s the best. It does work but you will want to add a shut off valve on the intake side.?
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On Feb 25, 2025, at 1:00?pm, Tim Rivard via groups.io <tarivard@...> wrote:
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Has anyone converted to an electric head with a macerator on a 38 MKII?
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Tim R
38MKII in refit
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Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
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Not really. The damper plate absorbs torsional "vibrations" between the flywheel and input shaft of the transmission to reduce the impulses of the cylinders firing. The torque limiter breaks free and slips when one gets a chain wrapped around the prop. :)
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Bill Lloyd
River Plaza, NJ
1974 Chris Craft 22'
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
I agree. ?
And AST Mobile will be a great alternative soon. ?Possibly much better and less costly solution. ?Less power demand too.?
Please consider the environment before printing this email. Thank you.
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On Feb 25, 2025, at 3:08?PM, Carter Brey via groups.io <carter.brey@...> wrote:
? I suppose it's fair to say that Michael is seeking an Alternativ für Sabre.
?
Seriously, if you don't need high bandwidth, I've had a great experience with Iridium Go Exec. Yes, it's much slower than Starlink. But a great safety advantage is the fact that you can simply bring it along with you should you need to abandon ship, sending texts or making phone calls.
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Carter Brey
T40 Lyra
City Island, NY
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
I suppose it's fair to say that Michael is seeking an Alternativ für Sabre.
?
Seriously, if you don't need high bandwidth, I've had a great experience with Iridium Go Exec. Yes, it's much slower than Starlink. But a great safety advantage is the fact that you can simply bring it along with you should you need to abandon ship, sending texts or making phone calls.
?
Carter Brey
T40 Lyra
City Island, NY
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
Recently I gave the password to our Starlink to a friend. Unlike Shearwater we are not as well endowed with battery capacity, so we shut Starlink off when not being used. One night we went to bed and shut it down. The next day our friend mentioned he was watching a movie and then suddenly he wasn’t. Shortly there after he saw a Gen 3 dish at Costco for $199 CDN. He did not deliberate for long.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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On Feb 25, 2025, at 4:38?PM, Jim Starkey via groups.io <Jim@...> wrote:
We have a gen 2 dish mounted on a stern rail.? It's powered by 48
volt DC/DC converter and a POE injector.? It's plugged into a
Raspberry Pi 4 running Linux configured as a wireless router.? The
whole rig draws 3.5 to 4.5 amps (generally on the low side).? We
also have a masthead Ubiquiti Bullet configured as an access point
so our friends can share the internet. Running the cable was a major PITA, but that was mostly the fault
of our very non-standard boat.? Post 600 Ah LFP conversion, we
keep it on 24/7 just 'cause we can. If anyone runs into Shearwater in Maine (we're a drop-dead
gorgeous flag blue 42' sailboat without a traditional cove
stripe), come over for an adult beverage and WiFi password. We got our gen 2 Starlink when Starlink was still losing money
hand over fist, so I was taking money out of his pocket, at least
at first.
On 2/25/2025 4:20 PM, Michael Grishman
via groups.io wrote:
OK.? I'm almost sorry I started this thread.? I did not bring this
subject up to start any kind of political
discussion.? We only coastal cruise and only within the state of
Maine.? We are never out of sight of
land and carry a VHF, two cell phones, and an EPIRB.? We do not
think of Starlink as a piece of safety
gear but as a convenience to access email and the internet.?? I
will say that the Starlink worked very well
for our intended purpose at anchor.? We have never used it
underway and have no intention of doing so.
The antenna is stored below deck and brought out only at anchor.?
We also find that the power drain
is a bit much.? We have to run either our charger/inverter or our
genset to power it up therefor we
tend to use it sparingly.
Michael
Wind Walker
S402-097
On 2/25/2025 11:51 AM, Jonathan Ganz
wrote:
Thank you! EPIRB or PLB. Sat phones are a good idea also.
--
Jim Starkey,
AmorphousDB, LLC
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
We have a gen 2 dish mounted on a stern rail.? It's powered by 48
volt DC/DC converter and a POE injector.? It's plugged into a
Raspberry Pi 4 running Linux configured as a wireless router.? The
whole rig draws 3.5 to 4.5 amps (generally on the low side).? We
also have a masthead Ubiquiti Bullet configured as an access point
so our friends can share the internet.
Running the cable was a major PITA, but that was mostly the fault
of our very non-standard boat.? Post 600 Ah LFP conversion, we
keep it on 24/7 just 'cause we can.
If anyone runs into Shearwater in Maine (we're a drop-dead
gorgeous flag blue 42' sailboat without a traditional cove
stripe), come over for an adult beverage and WiFi password.
We got our gen 2 Starlink when Starlink was still losing money
hand over fist, so I was taking money out of his pocket, at least
at first.
On 2/25/2025 4:20 PM, Michael Grishman
via groups.io wrote:
OK.? I'm almost sorry I started this thread.? I did not bring this
subject up to start any kind of political
discussion.? We only coastal cruise and only within the state of
Maine.? We are never out of sight of
land and carry a VHF, two cell phones, and an EPIRB.? We do not
think of Starlink as a piece of safety
gear but as a convenience to access email and the internet.?? I
will say that the Starlink worked very well
for our intended purpose at anchor.? We have never used it
underway and have no intention of doing so.
The antenna is stored below deck and brought out only at anchor.?
We also find that the power drain
is a bit much.? We have to run either our charger/inverter or our
genset to power it up therefor we
tend to use it sparingly.
Michael
Wind Walker
S402-097
On 2/25/2025 11:51 AM, Jonathan Ganz
wrote:
Thank you! EPIRB or PLB. Sat phones are a good idea also.
--
Jim Starkey,
AmorphousDB, LLC
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Re: Alternatives to Starlink
I think it is fine to bring this up. It shows there is demand for broadband connections while cruising down the coast or across oceans. What is lamentable is there is only one option, there is no competition which leave us at the whims of the provider. At the moment, it is a monopoly, and that is never good for the consumer.
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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On Feb 25, 2025, at 4:20?PM, Michael Grishman via groups.io <mgrishman@...> wrote:
OK.? I'm almost sorry I started this thread.? I did not bring this
subject up to start any kind of political
discussion.? We only coastal cruise and only within the state of
Maine.? We are never out of sight of
land and carry a VHF, two cell phones, and an EPIRB.? We do not
think of Starlink as a piece of safety
gear but as a convenience to access email and the internet.?? I will
say that the Starlink worked very well
for our intended purpose at anchor.? We have never used it underway
and have no intention of doing so.
The antenna is stored below deck and brought out only at anchor.? We
also find that the power drain
is a bit much.? We have to run either our charger/inverter or our
genset to power it up therefor we
tend to use it sparingly.
Michael
Wind Walker
S402-097
On 2/25/2025 11:51 AM, Jonathan Ganz
wrote:
Thank you! EPIRB or PLB. Sat phones are a good idea also.
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Stamp Walden
Tim Rivard
Jay Flynn
Velina Barnes
Carter Brey
Jim Starkey