I had a bit of work done around the engine last week and everything looked ok. The only leakage I get is for the first several minutes when I start the engine there is a filter on top of the riser elbow valve that leaks seawater. This only amounts to a few ounces and only occurs when the engine is running. I also had the DC refrigeration compressor resealed and charged so there was some fiddling done in the? engine compartment and everything looked good.
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Also check the wet exhaust muffler box/tank.
Franz Alvarez
SV Tranquility - S38MKII
Mamaroneck, NY?
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Thanks to all. The water is salt. The bilge has several compartments. The forward ones generally don't get water until the one below the engine reaches a certain level. This tells me it's not any of the forward keel bolts since the engine compartments
fills first. However, there are some bolts there too so those might be a source. But there is also water aft of the engine, aft of the drive shaft stuffing box, and aft of the racor filter. I'm trying to make my way back there.
There has not been any rain here since I wiped the bilge 100% dry last week. I saw puddling around the mast once last year after a heavy rain, but a waterproof wrap around mast boot seems to have corrected that. I drained my water tanks for cleaning during
these past few days, so I doubt it's a leaky tank issue, but I'm not dismissing that such an problem might exist and will be checked later. Once I resolve the seawater leak I will use the water pressure to test the tanks.
I also don't think it's a fuel tank leak because I'm not detecting any diesel and such a large amount would be obvious. I am now standing in the aft cabin and as I work my way further aft I will be lifting the bunk boards to look at AirCon connections, watermaker
connections, then scupper connections and rudder stuffing box. Would there be anything else back there to check?
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-- Franz Alvarez S/V Tranquility - S38MKII
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Augustin, the strut, which is commonly made of bronze, connects the prop shaft to the hull.
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Hi David. I replaced the impeller last year and should still be like new. I don't know 'strut bolt.' Is that the chain plate?
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Hi David. I replaced the impeller last year and should still be like new. I don't know 'strut bolt.' Is that the chain plate?
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I had some salt water intake (extremely small but a contributor) through the strut bolts. ?The ?32 nd of an inch play on the strut caused a hairline crack in the epoxy filler covering where the strut bolts to the hull. ?Raw water impeller leak? ?Through hulls leak? Transducer leak? ?Good luck!
Dave Gerhardt Serenade 1983 S 34-1 #184
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Thanks to all. The water is salt. The bilge has several compartments. The forward ones generally don't get water until the one below the engine reaches a certain level. This tells me it's not any of the forward keel bolts since the engine compartments fills first. However, there are some bolts there so those might be a source, but there is also water aft of the engine, aft of the drive shaft stuffing box, and aft of the racor filter. I'm trying to make my way back there.
There has not been any rain here since I wiped the bilge 100% dry last week. I saw puddling around the mast once last year after a heavy rain, but a waterproof wrap around mast boot seems to have corrected that. I drained my water tanks for cleaning during these past few days, so I doubt it's a leaky tank issue, but I'm not dismissing that such an problem might exist to be checked later. Once I resolve the seawater leak I will use water pressure to test the tanks.
I also don't think it's a fuel tank leak because I'm not detecting and diesel and such a large amount would be obvious. I am now standing in the aft cabin and as I work my way further aft I will be lifting the bunk boards to look at AirCon connections, watermaker connections, then scupper connections and rudder stuffing box. Would there be anything else back there to check?
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Thanks to all. The water is salt. The bilge has several compartments. The forward ones generally don't get water until the one below the engine reaches a certain level. This tells me it's not any of the forward keel bolts since the engine compartments fills first. However, there are some bolts there too so those might be a source. But there is also water aft of the engine, aft of the drive shaft stuffing box, and aft of the racor filter. I'm trying to make my way back there.
There has not been any rain here since I wiped the bilge 100% dry last week. I saw puddling around the mast once last year after a heavy rain, but a waterproof wrap around mast boot seems to have corrected that. I drained my water tanks for cleaning during these past few days, so I doubt it's a leaky tank issue, but I'm not dismissing that such an problem might exist and will be checked later. Once I resolve the seawater leak I will use the water pressure to test the tanks.
I also don't think it's a fuel tank leak because I'm not detecting any diesel and such a large amount would be obvious. I am now standing in the aft cabin and as I work my way further aft I will be lifting the bunk boards to look at AirCon connections, watermaker connections, then scupper connections and rudder stuffing box. Would there be anything else back there to check?
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Thanks again.
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The question if this is fresh or salt water is crucial. I had a water tank leak and recognized it immediately by the smell of water treatment I use. Sabres like to leak rain water, but 4 gallons a day is A LOT. Also, check your keel bolts (if it's salt water). I had a keel bolt leak once - its an easy fix.?
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Suggest you also check the rudder stuffing box for leaking. Also all the thru hull fittings. Wrap with toilet tissue. Come back in 24 hours. Sabres also take on a lot of water down the mast in rain storms.? Len Bertaux? S38mkii
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On Apr 22, 2025, at 10:32?AM, David Jaworski via groups.io <djjaworski@...> wrote:
? Augustin, You should check to see if the water in the bilge is salt water or fresh water. ?If it is fresh water, do you have a lot of rain daily. I would check water coming down the mast. Check the mast collar for leaks or openings in the mast. ?You should also check your water tanks or hoses for leaks. ?
If it the water is salty, then it is a leak into the boat from the ocean. After you vacuum the water out of the bilge watch where the water is coming from and then trace it back to its origin.
Regards,
David Jaworski Sabre 362 Windwalker Severna Park, MD On Apr 22, 2025, at 9:40?AM, Augustin via groups.io <classical@...> wrote:
? Hello Everyone,
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I have a 1990 425 that I bought about a year ago. I'm not new to sailing, but am new to boat ownership. I noticed that the bilge keeps getting wet so I wiped it dry and disconnected the bilge pump for several days. I vacuumed out the water this morning with a ShopVac to accurately measure the amount of water. I'm getting about 4 gallons per day. That's a heck of a lot.
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All that I have been able to see this far is that there is a small leak from around the Jabsco electric toilet, and a small puddle underneath the stuffing box. Neither of these seem to be very threatening at all, but there is also a trail of wetness coming from a hole that goes from the stuffing box area towards the aft vis-a-vis underneath the companion way step, into the Racor filter compartment which then leads to a larger hole that leads to ??. These are just trails of wet with very small amounts of actual water. It's hard for me to fathom that these trails would produce 4 gallons of water per day in the bilge.
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I am in Montego Bay, Jamaica, where there is no hope of reliable services nor a marine parts outlet. I feel stuck and need to get out of here. I'm hesitant to sail to a US port until I believe the boat is ready to safely sail for several days at a time.
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Thank you for reading this far and for any help and thoughts you can offer.
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Best regards,
Augustin
VE7OXS
SV Rhapsody S425
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Augustin, You should check to see if the water in the bilge is salt water or fresh water. ?If it is fresh water, do you have a lot of rain daily. I would check water coming down the mast. Check the mast collar for leaks or openings in the mast. ?You should also check your water tanks or hoses for leaks. ?
If it the water is salty, then it is a leak into the boat from the ocean. After you vacuum the water out of the bilge watch where the water is coming from and then trace it back to its origin.
Regards,
David Jaworski Sabre 362 Windwalker Severna Park, MD
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On Apr 22, 2025, at 9:40?AM, Augustin via groups.io <classical@...> wrote:
? Hello Everyone,
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I have a 1990 425 that I bought about a year ago. I'm not new to sailing, but am new to boat ownership. I noticed that the bilge keeps getting wet so I wiped it dry and disconnected the bilge pump for several days. I vacuumed out the water this morning with a ShopVac to accurately measure the amount of water. I'm getting about 4 gallons per day. That's a heck of a lot.
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All that I have been able to see this far is that there is a small leak from around the Jabsco electric toilet, and a small puddle underneath the stuffing box. Neither of these seem to be very threatening at all, but there is also a trail of wetness coming from a hole that goes from the stuffing box area towards the aft vis-a-vis underneath the companion way step, into the Racor filter compartment which then leads to a larger hole that leads to ??. These are just trails of wet with very small amounts of actual water. It's hard for me to fathom that these trails would produce 4 gallons of water per day in the bilge.
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I am in Montego Bay, Jamaica, where there is no hope of reliable services nor a marine parts outlet. I feel stuck and need to get out of here. I'm hesitant to sail to a US port until I believe the boat is ready to safely sail for several days at a time.
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Thank you for reading this far and for any help and thoughts you can offer.
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Best regards,
Augustin
VE7OXS
SV Rhapsody S425
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The hatches are very high quality Bomar cast aluminum hatches,?suitable for blue water sailing.? Expensive and much better than the junk you see on most modern production boats.? You would be better off with a DIY repair job.? The lenses can be replaced with plexiglass/acrylic and appropriate adhesive sealant.? There are gasket kits available online to stop any leaks.
There are also replacement lens and repair kits for the Beckson units.? I agree those are somewhat cheap looking for a Sabre.? I replaced the plastic lens on mine.? I rarely open?them, because the boat is well-ventilated without. **
James H. Wilson, Jr.
Attorney & Counsellor at Law By appt. only: 4860 Cox Road, Suite 200 Glen Allen, VA 23060 804-740-6464 jameswilson29@...
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On Tue, Apr 22, 2025 at 7:03?AM David Gerhardt via <davidgerhardt56= [email protected]> wrote: Scott, I also have a 1983 S 34-1 and have replaced a few of the opening port lens.? The Beckson product number was LNZ-414C for the clear 4¡± x 14¡± lens.
Dave Gerhardt Serenade 1983 S 34-1. #184 NB, Canada On Apr 21, 2025, at 11:11 PM, Scott Goldwyn via < sgoldwyn@...> wrote:
Thanks DaveOn Apr 21, 2025, at 8:28?PM, David Castor via <dpcastor@...> wrote:
? The original opening port lights were probably Beckson. Screens and other parts are available. Installing the screens is a PITA.?
The hatches on my S32 are Bowmar.? If you search the list archives there should be quite a few threads on maintaining and replacing these hatches. ?
Dave Castor Port Angeles, Wash 1986 S32 #077 On Mon, Apr 21, 2025 at 3:59?PM Scott Goldwyn via ??<sgoldwyn= [email protected]> wrote: I have an 1983 S34 MK1. I¡¯d like to replace my 2 high profile deck hatches and my ports need new screens. I¡¯ve never like the plastic ports¡always seemed incongruent with the Sabre build level. But the thought of replacing them; nope.
Anyone have any idea what the make of the hatches are? I¡¯m guessing the old style frame and hinges rules out replacing the hatch without the entire frame. And does anyone know where I can get replacement screens for the cabin ports?
Scott Goldwyn
Verano
Hudson River
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Hello Everyone,
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I have a 1990 425 that I bought about a year ago. I'm not new to sailing, but am new to boat ownership. I noticed that the bilge keeps getting wet so I wiped it dry and disconnected the bilge pump for several days. I vacuumed out the water this morning with a ShopVac to accurately measure the amount of water. I'm getting about 4 gallons per day. That's a heck of a lot.
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All that I have been able to see this far is that there is a small leak from around the Jabsco electric toilet, and a small puddle underneath the stuffing box. Neither of these seem to be very threatening at all, but there is also a trail of wetness coming from a hole that goes from the stuffing box area towards the aft vis-a-vis underneath the companion way step, into the Racor filter compartment which then leads to a larger hole that leads to ??. These are just trails of wet with very small amounts of actual water. It's hard for me to fathom that these trails would produce 4 gallons of water per day in the bilge.
?
I am in Montego Bay, Jamaica, where there is no hope of reliable services nor a marine parts outlet. I feel stuck and need to get out of here. I'm hesitant to sail to a US port until I believe the boat is ready to safely sail for several days at a time.
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Thank you for reading this far and for any help and thoughts you can offer.
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Best regards,
Augustin
VE7OXS
SV Rhapsody S425
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Scott, I also have a 1983 S 34-1 and have replaced a few of the opening port lens. ?The Beckson product number was LNZ-414C for the clear 4¡± x 14¡± lens.
Dave Gerhardt Serenade 1983 S 34-1. #184 NB, Canada
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On Apr 21, 2025, at 11:11 PM, Scott Goldwyn via < sgoldwyn@...> wrote:
Thanks DaveOn Apr 21, 2025, at 8:28?PM, David Castor via <dpcastor@...> wrote:
? The original opening port lights were probably Beckson. Screens and other parts are available. Installing the screens is a PITA.?
The hatches on my S32 are Bowmar.? If you search the list archives there should be quite a few threads on maintaining and replacing these hatches. ?
Dave Castor Port Angeles, Wash 1986 S32 #077 On Mon, Apr 21, 2025 at 3:59?PM Scott Goldwyn via ??<sgoldwyn= [email protected]> wrote: I have an 1983 S34 MK1. I¡¯d like to replace my 2 high profile deck hatches and my ports need new screens. I¡¯ve never like the plastic ports¡always seemed incongruent with the Sabre build level. But the thought of replacing them; nope.
Anyone have any idea what the make of the hatches are? I¡¯m guessing the old style frame and hinges rules out replacing the hatch without the entire frame. And does anyone know where I can get replacement screens for the cabin ports?
Scott Goldwyn
Verano
Hudson River
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Re: Rebedding old (aluminum frame) fixed ports
Don,
I'll dip my toe into the pool and say that I re-bedded our 38MKI fixed port glass to the frame and used clear silicone. ?It was my understanding from Glenn that the original sealant was silicone. ?I am not a big fan of silicone onboard, tho I do have a small tube that gets used from time to time. ?In this case, it worked well for me. ?Prior to applying, I used blue tape and taped the glass about 1/8" away from the frame all of the way around, then after application and bedding, I used one of those rubber calk smoothing tools that all home improvement stores sell to reduce the amount of exposed sealant and smoothing it in the process. ?The trick with the blue tape is to not let the silicone cure completely before removing it. ?You want it set but not completely.
I'm not sure that I would use black sealant. ?I think it will stand out too much. ?If you are leaving the frames in a mill finish, or painting them white, clear or gray seems more appropriate.
Dave '87 38MKI Orion Still on the hard in Toms River, NJ
On Monday, April 21, 2025, 08:23:14 AM PDT, Oceans via groups.io <oceans100t@...> wrote:
Thanks for all the very helpful replies so far. ?I¡¯ll return from a family visit in South Carolina tonight, and will be back aboard tomorrow.
Phil & Andy, Depending on the thickness of my glass I may take you up on your generous offers and owe you guys a few beers. ?In your case Phil, I may consider investing in a micro-brewery.
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Elizabeth & Andy, Do you mind indicating the cost of the frame powder coating? ?And, Elizabeth how long ago did you do the job, and how is it holding up?
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Dave, ?Thanks for your insights as well. ?Your willing to share your considerable knowledge and experience is always appreciated
It¡¯s my understanding that black is more UV resistant than white in everything from caulk to electrical zip ties. ?Besides the aesthetic look, that¡¯s the main reason why I¡¯m planning to edge the frame to glass in black. ?Please correct me if I am mistaken.
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Also, does anyone have an opinion as to the width/thickness of the glass to frame caulk. ?As previously stated the existing caulk is around 3/8-1/2¡± sloping to the glass from the frame. ?It¡¯s gray, frayed, and unsightly. ?I¡¯d
like to do 1/16-1/8¡± bead, but I¡¯m not sure if it would compromise the seal. ?Not a big deal: I can always rip it out and redo it. ?Still, any thoughts would be appreciated, as always.
Don Fleming
Duet
S-38-1
Hudson River
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On Apr 21, 2025, at 8:28?PM, David Castor via groups.io <dpcastor@...> wrote:
? The original opening port lights were probably Beckson. Screens and other parts are available. Installing the screens is a PITA.?
The hatches on my S32 are Bowmar.? If you search the list archives there should be quite a few threads on maintaining and replacing these hatches. ?
Dave Castor Port Angeles, Wash 1986 S32 #077 On Mon, Apr 21, 2025 at 3:59?PM Scott Goldwyn via <sgoldwyn= [email protected]> wrote: I have an 1983 S34 MK1. I¡¯d like to replace my 2 high profile deck hatches and my ports need new screens. I¡¯ve never like the plastic ports¡always seemed incongruent with the Sabre build level. But the thought of replacing them; nope.
Anyone have any idea what the make of the hatches are? I¡¯m guessing the old style frame and hinges rules out replacing the hatch without the entire frame. And does anyone know where I can get replacement screens for the cabin ports?
Scott Goldwyn
Verano
Hudson River
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The original opening port lights were probably Beckson. Screens and other parts are available. Installing the screens is a PITA.?
The hatches on my S32 are Bowmar.? If you search the list archives there should be quite a few threads on maintaining and replacing these hatches. ?
Dave Castor Port Angeles, Wash 1986 S32 #077
On Mon, Apr 21, 2025 at 3:59?PM Scott Goldwyn via <sgoldwyn= [email protected]> wrote: I have an 1983 S34 MK1. I¡¯d like to replace my 2 high profile deck hatches and my ports need new screens. I¡¯ve never like the plastic ports¡always seemed incongruent with the Sabre build level. But the thought of replacing them; nope.
Anyone have any idea what the make of the hatches are? I¡¯m guessing the old style frame and hinges rules out replacing the hatch without the entire frame. And does anyone know where I can get replacement screens for the cabin ports?
Scott Goldwyn
Verano
Hudson River
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I have an 1983 S34 MK1. I¡¯d like to replace my 2 high profile deck hatches and my ports need new screens. I¡¯ve never like the plastic ports¡always seemed incongruent with the Sabre build level. But the thought of replacing them; nope.
Anyone have any idea what the make of the hatches are? I¡¯m guessing the old style frame and hinges rules out replacing the hatch without the entire frame. And does anyone know where I can get replacement screens for the cabin ports?
Scott Goldwyn
Verano
Hudson River
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Re: Rebedding old (aluminum frame) fixed ports
Thanks for all the very helpful replies so far. ?I¡¯ll return from a family visit in South Carolina tonight, and will be back aboard tomorrow.
Phil & Andy, Depending on the thickness of my glass I may take you up on your generous offers and owe you guys a few beers. ?In your case Phil, I may consider investing in a micro-brewery.
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Elizabeth & Andy, Do you mind indicating the cost of the frame powder coating? ?And, Elizabeth how long ago did you do the job, and how is it holding up?
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Dave, ?Thanks for your insights as well. ?Your willing to share your considerable knowledge and experience is always appreciated
It¡¯s my understanding that black is more UV resistant than white in everything from caulk to electrical zip ties. ?Besides the aesthetic look, that¡¯s the main reason why I¡¯m planning to edge the frame to glass in black. ?Please correct me if I am mistaken.
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Also, does anyone have an opinion as to the width/thickness of the glass to frame caulk. ?As previously stated the existing caulk is around 3/8-1/2¡± sloping to the glass from the frame. ?It¡¯s gray, frayed, and unsightly. ?I¡¯d
like to do 1/16-1/8¡± bead, but I¡¯m not sure if it would compromise the seal. ?Not a big deal: I can always rip it out and redo it. ?Still, any thoughts would be appreciated, as always.
Don Fleming
Duet
S-38-1
Hudson River
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Re: Rebedding old (aluminum frame) fixed ports
Hi Don - I had my old and even slightly corroded aluminum frames (I sanded them lightly) powder coated and they came out great, Elisa
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Re: Cleaning out the closet
Hi Folks,
Wanted to let you know the cockpit table has been spoken for.?
Thanks
Randy
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On Apr 19, 2025, at 4:04?pm, Randy Drummond via groups.io <SVReleaseMe@...> wrote:
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Hi Folks,
I am finally trying to do something about all the stuff. ?First up is offering this group first dibs.?
They are all offered at your best offer plus shipping. I am happy to give as many details as I can about any item you are interested in. They are:
Sea frost freezer unit Worked great when it left the boat. I just reworked my frig and put in a bigger freezer. It is 10¡±W x 11¡±D x 7¡±H .
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Folding Teak Cockpit Table, never used. I can¡¯t remember why I have this one.?
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RayMarine 24¡± 48 mile Digital Radar Dome. No Cable. Worked great when it left the boat. I downsized to a smaller Doppler radar. I took of the Raymarine decal when it was new. I couldn¡¯t work out an endorsement deal with them but it makes for a clean white
dome.?
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Folding swim ladder. Ment for sugar scoop folding up to transom.?
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Jack Rabbet Marine 125 Amp Alternator. Working fine when pulled off of the boat. I repowered and went with Alt.that would fit new engine.
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Again best offer plus shipping. Help a guy out¡.
Randy Drummond
S/V Dazzle S38mk2 206
Miami
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Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
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Randy Drummond
Dazzle S38 mk2 206
Miami
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Re: Cleaning out the closet
I don't think I have had the pleasure of communicating with you as of this post.? However, please allow me to give you some brief background.? I have recently purchased my 4th sailboat.? A 1985 Sabre 32.? Awesome boat!? ?I had prior this one a Catalina 30 (X wife got it 25 yrs ago) , a Catalina 36 (Katrina took it from me) and a Pearson 367 Cutter rig, (had to give her up to support my son in a private college prep school for ADHD / OCD and that was just the right thing to do at the time).? After owning 3 sailboats, even living in Mobile, AL, I've never been in the Gulf of Mexico, or Gulf of America now?? Ergo, my 4th boat.? I am retired, 70, and rapidly running out of time.? That's when I found this Sabre 32, named, "About Time" I thought, yea.? One more chance.....
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I don't know if your cockpit table will fit a Sabre 32, don't see why not.? But I do know, they are not valued used at $100.00.? That, I thought, was a bit inappropriate an offer.? I don't see ANY new for less that around $700 to $1200 dollars.? I'm a retired musician living on social security.? I don't have $700 for a cockpit table, but I sure would relish one.?
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My goal 25 plus years ago was to sail down to the Keyes or to the Dry Tortugas. I am going to achieve this goal, or die in route.? Regardless, a cock[it table sure would make life easier for me vs not having one. I am prepared to make any reasonable offer to secure this if you feel confident it will fit on my Sabre 32.? It looks as if it is brand new !!!
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I will pay for UPS or USPS shipping and mail you a check in advance of shipment !? Please let me know what you had in mind for a mutually agreeable fair price for an old retired trumpet player.? I would be honored to install it on my boat, and toast you on the seas in route.? Please allow me to try to acquire this if at all possible.
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Highest and most respectful regards,
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Verne Royster
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Sabre 32 "About Time"
MYC - Mobile Al
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David Gerhardt
Len Bertaux
James Wilson
Scott Goldwyn
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