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Re: Max prop coming out of reverse issue

 

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Unless the yard forbids work below the waterline, grease the prop yourself. The hardest part of the job is not dropping the set screws or perhaps finding the set screws after you drop them. Takes about 10 minutes. Buy the kit from PYI.


Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Mar 30, 2025, at 3:43?PM, greglocke03 via groups.io <greglocke03@...> wrote:

Mine was just greased by the yard. It took little to no effort to feather forward or reverse.
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Greg
34-338
Re: Paint Job

 

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Take a look at BoatWorks Today YouTube. Andy has lots of painting videos.

Also consider Alexseal, instead of Awlgrip products or Interlux products. Alexseal has an additive that makes roll and tipping very easy. Looks like it was sprayed on. Full disclosure, I have no interest in Alexseal and I have no direct experience with above the waterline hull paining.


Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Mar 30, 2025, at 3:29?PM, Jordan via groups.io <jordan.permoda@...> wrote:

Hey Sabre Crew,?
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I'm planning to do a paint job on my hull next off-season, rub rail to waterline, and my mental wheels are turning on this topic.?
If anyone has an album of photos or videos of when they did theirs, I would love to see it. Also, any tips, tricks, tools, supplies, words of warning - all welcomed.??
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Cheers.
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Jordan
S402-047
Formerly S36-087
Lake Michigan
Re: Max prop coming out of reverse issue

 

Mine was just greased by the yard. It took little to no effort to feather forward or reverse.
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Greg
34-338
Paint Job

 

Hey Sabre Crew,?
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I'm planning to do a paint job on my hull next off-season, rub rail to waterline, and my mental wheels are turning on this topic.?
If anyone has an album of photos or videos of when they did theirs, I would love to see it. Also, any tips, tricks, tools, supplies, words of warning - all welcomed.??
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Cheers.
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Jordan
S402-047
Formerly S36-087
Lake Michigan
Re: PYI and PSS Shaft Seal

 

Good to know, thanks Dave.
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Tim Dokken
1985 Sabre 32 #59
Bayfield, WI
Re: 362 Rudder Bearing Replacement

 

Roger -
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I dropped my rudder in the fall, and can speak to a couple of your questions.
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My lower rudder bearing was also a bit loose when placed into the tube in the hull, however when you use 3M 5200 and the two screws to set it in place, once that all cures it is rock solid. ?As far as alignment, as long as you mount the rudder back into place before the 5200 cures then everything should line up just fine, that is how it worked for me.
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My old rudder bearing also had issues being tight where they drilled holes in the rudder post. ?I was able to file the burrs on the edges of the holes off and then everything worked fine. ?If yours are tight even where the shaft is true, that sounds like a judgement call about how tight it is and if it will bind when the rudder turns or not.
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Good luck!
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Tim Dokken
1985 Sabre 32 #59
Bayfield, WI
Turbocharger replacement #Sabre452

 

Hi Folks,
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Need to replace the Turbocharger on my 4JH3-TE.? Anyone replace theirs and where did you purchase and approximate price?? Thanks.? Joe
Re: 426 outhaul line replacement

 

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I’m with Allison on this one. My S34mkII has far less main sail area but originally was near impossible to pull in the outhaul with wind over 15 kts. When we started racing it was critical so we changed to a 4:1 purchase in the boom and a track and ball bearing car system at the aft end of the boom. Huge difference so instead of beating the old sliding fitting with a winch handle to get it to move, one hand on the line back to the cockpit and it’s done.


Charlie McMillan

McMillan Group Inc
25 Otter Trail
Westport, Ct ?06880
203-227-8696 office
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On Mar 30, 2025, at 12:37 PM, Allison Lehman via <allisonleh@...> wrote:

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?Yes but I believe the 42 is a higher aspect rig. ?The boom on the 426 is a foot longer. ?I can’t speak for ?the 42, but I can tell you there is no way with my husband or I could tighten the outhaul going to weather in breeze without some purchase. ?

We replaced ours some time ago but I can’t remember what the purchase is, I think it is 4:1. ?This is all internal and a single line comes out of the boom and cleats on the boom. As a result you don’t see the purchase, it’s just easy to put on.

Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
510 912-5800 cell
510 860-4640 fax


On Mar 30, 2025, at 8:37?AM, Bob Fields via <Fields@...> wrote:

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Allison, I checked Sailboat Data the main areas are:? 433 for S426 and 377 for S42.? Difference is less than a Laser sail.? A 920 sq ft main would be great for light air, but seriously overpowered otherwise.
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Cheers!
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Bob
Vitesse
Lake Ontario

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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest

Max prop coming out of reverse issue

 

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While looking for some other information on a PYI shaft seal, I found the instructions for feathering a Max Prop.

Reduce speed with engine in gear.
Stop engine.
Wait a little.
Shift to neutral.

Here’s the link to the FAQ page:


Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario


On Mar 24, 2025, at 9:24?AM, Mark Fanning via groups.io <fanningiop@...> wrote:

Looking for any advice on a current issue with my Max Prop Easy.?

When sailing- when we normally put the transmission in reverse to stop the shaft from spinning and to feather the prop.?

Recently we were sailing from SC to FL and had a very difficult time getting the transmission out of reverse prior to restarting engine. ? It was real stuck.? We had to head straight into the wind, luff the sails, and about stop the boat to get the transmission to budge out of reverse.? Normal motoring and maneuvering around the dock the transmission easily goes from fwd to reverse and back out of reverse. ?

Wondering if it maybe lack of grease or gearbox issue.? The prop has not been greased in over 1.5 years.

Thanks,
Mark

Sea Biscuit
452-023
Charleston, SC (currently in Stuart, FL on way to Bahamas)?


PYI and PSS Shaft Seal

 

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Begin forwarded message:


PYI is no longer part of the PSS Shaft Seal family of products.




Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

Re: Resealing fixed port lights

 

jeff,
I need silpruf and would love to have your leftover stock.
Also how much did you use for the project??

Mike Fair
Second Wind S 362
Buzzsards Bay MA?

On Wed, Mar 26, 2025 at 7:18?AM Jeff Boyle via <boylessix=[email protected]> wrote:
I also replaced and resealed my fixed ports recently. Painter’s tape and a flexible epoxy spreader are keys to getting a good bead. Avoid the temptation to overwork the silicone - I found one continuous sweep around the perimeter left the cleanest looking results.
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BTW, I overbought the white Silpruf and have three unopened tubes (mfg date Dec 2023) available FREE to any Sabre board members for the cost of shipping. Private message me your info and we can work it out.
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Jeff Boyle
Daystar S425 #79
Chicago, IL
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Re: 426 outhaul line replacement

 

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?Yes but I believe the 42 is a higher aspect rig. ?The boom on the 426 is a foot longer. ?I can’t speak for ?the 42, but I can tell you there is no way with my husband or I could tighten the outhaul going to weather in breeze without some purchase. ?

We replaced ours some time ago but I can’t remember what the purchase is, I think it is 4:1. ?This is all internal and a single line comes out of the boom and cleats on the boom. As a result you don’t see the purchase, it’s just easy to put on.

Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
510 912-5800 cell
510 860-4640 fax
allisonleh@... ? ? ??


On Mar 30, 2025, at 8:37?AM, Bob Fields via groups.io <Fields@...> wrote:

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Allison, I checked Sailboat Data the main areas are:? 433 for S426 and 377 for S42.? Difference is less than a Laser sail.? A 920 sq ft main would be great for light air, but seriously overpowered otherwise.
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Cheers!
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Bob
Vitesse
Lake Ontario

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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest

Re: Rear Chainplate Pitted 362

 

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It would probably be easier to take it to a machine shop and have one made.


Dave
Second Star
S362 #113
Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Mar 30, 2025, at 11:36?AM, James Vetterlein via groups.io <jvetterlein@...> wrote:

Hello,
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I am adding a Harken Hydraulic Backstay to my 1994 Sabre 362. One of the twin rear chainplates looks fairly pitted and I am thinking I should consider replacing it since it will now be under more load at times.? Does anyone know where I could source this part?
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See attached pictures.
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Thank You!
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Jim Vetterlein
Sabre 362?
Northeast, MD
<Back Stay Chainplate Sabre 362 1_7063.heic><backstay chainplate Sabre 362 B.heic>

Re: 426 outhaul line replacement

 

Allison, I checked Sailboat Data the main areas are:? 433 for S426 and 377 for S42.? Difference is less than a Laser sail.? A 920 sq ft main would be great for light air, but seriously overpowered otherwise.
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Cheers!
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Bob
Vitesse
Lake Ontario

Rear Chainplate Pitted 362

 

Hello,
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I am adding a Harken Hydraulic Backstay to my 1994 Sabre 362. One of the twin rear chainplates looks fairly pitted and I am thinking I should consider replacing it since it will now be under more load at times.? Does anyone know where I could source this part?
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See attached pictures.
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Thank You!
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Jim Vetterlein
Sabre 362?
Northeast, MD

Back Stay Chainplate Sabre 362 1_7063.heic
Back Stay Chainplate Sabre 362 1_7063.heic
backstay chainplate Sabre 362 B.heic
backstay chainplate Sabre 362 B.heic

Re: 426 outhaul line replacement

 

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?Bob, the sail area on the 426is significantly bigger, 920 sq ft vs 755 sq ft. They are very different boats with different designers. ?You really do need purchase on the outhaul on the 426.

Allison Lehman
Swiftsure Yachts
510 912-5800 cell
510 860-4640 fax
allisonleh@... ? ? ??


On Mar 30, 2025, at 7:37?AM, Bob Fields via groups.io <Fields@...> wrote:

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Neil. I’m not an expert on line. But if you have a ?12:1 ?mechanical advantage it would be overkill and an unnecessary ?expense. I used a polyester single braid and just secure it to a cleat on the boom.
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Cheers
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Bob
Vitesse
Lake Ontario

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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest

Re: 426 outhaul line replacement

 

I don’t recall all the details of the replacement I did last year. ? I’m not 100% certain if the purchase system on the rope component (that leads to the cockpit) used a double floating block or a single, but I think it was a single. ? Here’s an overview of:

I used StaSet, or something similar, for the line that runs from the forward boom attachment point, aft to a (?)single block with becket (the block that floats mid boom) and back to the cockpit. ? I replaced the wire, that runs from the block’s becket, aft and through the block or ring (attached to a pedant from the ring to the clew via the boom end sheave). and them back to an attachment point at the forward end of the boom, with a length of AmstelBlue. ?I replaced the block (or ring) at the aft end of the boom with a low friction ring. I reused the floating block.
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The slippery Amstel Blue with low friction ring is a great improvement over the wire. ? I don’t feel the need for an additional purchase. ??
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In hindsight it might have been better to use a low stretch double braid eg WarpSpeed for the line from the block back to the cockpit, but I think the amount of stretch is probably insignificant?
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I don’t recall the size or lengths of line used but I know I based them on the original components. ? ?I put eye splices at both ends of the AmstelBlue. Getting the right length end to end is critical and required redoing the splices a couple of times to get it right.
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Tim

Tim Sowerby
White Rose S426?
Sausalito CA

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Re: 426 outhaul line replacement

 

Neil. I’m not an expert on line. But if you have a ?12:1 ?mechanical advantage it would be overkill and an unnecessary ?expense. I used a polyester single braid and just secure it to a cleat on the boom.
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Cheers
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Bob
Vitesse
Lake Ontario

Sabre 386 Forward Cabin

 

I want to have?fitted sheets made for the forward cabin v-berth?on my 386 but I am 5 hours away from the boatyard. Anyone happen to have the dimensions of the v-berth cushions?

Thanks!
Stafford
Winter's Dream

Re: 426 outhaul line replacement

 

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Thanks Bob - we have our outhaul led back to the cockpit through a rope clutch, I’m thinking dyneema style single braid might not hold well in the clutch?

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neil dot e dot russell at gmail.com
“Whisper II”
S426-034
Salem MA


On Mar 27, 2025, at 4:23?PM, Bob Fields via groups.io <Fields@...> wrote:

Neil. On our S42 ?put two triple blocks compounded with a single block. The triples are in the boom. One is shackled to the pin that secures the mainsheet blocks. The other is on the line going to the main clew. I put a single block on the main clew ran a second line from the shackle on the triple, through the block on the clew and dead ended to thefitting at the aft end of the boom. Purchase is now 12:1. Works with no effort.?

I first used double braid but it was prone to kinks. Switched to single brai, ?no kinks.?

Cheers!
Bob
Vitesse?
Lake Ontario.?

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