Re: Replacing 402 hot water heater
Cool.?
Impacts resale.?
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On Mar 21, 2025, at 9:01?AM, Jim Gregory via groups.io <jgregor1.jg@...> wrote:
? 5.3 is enough for two people that are cruising. It's always good to be conservative with fresh water use on a boat. I got by nicely with heaters of that capacity for years. My 12 gallon tank is an extravagance that I would not replace if needed. 5-6 gallon is fine.
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Jim Gregory
Sabre 402 #32
Milford CT
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Re: 402 head/shower drains
I may misunderstand. The description sounded like it tied into the thru hull.?
Would need a loop to prevent leaking backing into bilge wouldn’t it ??
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On Mar 21, 2025, at 8:52?AM, Jordan via groups.io <jordan.permoda@...> wrote:
? Tony,?
I’m not sure I understand your question. If the shower drain were to leak, it would go to the bilge and be limited to how long the shower is running…
is that what you mean?
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Re: Replacing 402 hot water heater
5.3 is enough for two people that are cruising. It's always good to be conservative with fresh water use on a boat. I got by nicely with heaters of that capacity for years. My 12 gallon tank is an extravagance that I would not replace if needed. 5-6 gallon is fine.
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Jim Gregory
Sabre 402 #32
Milford CT
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Re: Keel Boat Replacement
Hi All,
How have you determine when it is time to replace the keel bolts?
Thanks, Manny Moreno SV Blue Wren - 34MkII
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Re: 402 head/shower drains
Tony,?
I’m not sure I understand your question. If the shower drain were to leak, it would go to the bilge and be limited to how long the shower is running…
is that what you mean?
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Thanks Jordan I'll pass my frame is good? Mike
Mike,?
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the Bimini is blue. But I would say that the value is really in the framework, and since the fabric was made for the framework, it likely would only work with the framework.?
let me know if you’d be interested. I just don’t want to see it go to a scrap yard if it can be used.?
cheers.
Jordan
S402-047
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Re: 402 head/shower drains
? So a leak in the shower drain can sink the boat ?
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On Mar 21, 2025, at 7:44?AM, Jordan via groups.io <jordan.permoda@...> wrote:
? I did some digging into this and hopefully have some closure for the topic. Hull #004 and #047 both T into a smaller hose that goes into the pump and then overboard via the sink thru hull. The junction can be found if you remove the bottom stair tread and do some digging. I can’t speak for everyone’s boat, but these are both the same.?
hope that helps.?
have a great weekend everyone.?
jordan?
s402-047
formerly s36-087
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lake michigan?
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Re: 402 head/shower drains
I did some digging into this and hopefully have some closure for the topic. Hull #004 and #047 both T into a smaller hose that goes into the pump and then overboard via the sink thru hull. The junction can be found if you remove the bottom stair tread and do some digging. I can’t speak for everyone’s boat, but these are both the same.?
hope that helps.?
have a great weekend everyone.?
jordan?
s402-047
formerly s36-087
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lake michigan?
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Mike,?
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the Bimini is blue. But I would say that the value is really in the framework, and since the fabric was made for the framework, it likely would only work with the framework.?
let me know if you’d be interested. I just don’t want to see it go to a scrap yard if it can be used.?
cheers.
Jordan
S402-047
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Re: Keel Boat Replacement
Hi Allison,
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MARS is an hour from me so its the best alternative that I have at the moment.
I am not replacing the keel, just the bolts.? I will ship the keel to them and they will replace them by gouging out the original J-Bolts and replacing with new.
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I have spoken with Bill a few times to discuss the process.? I have a few key people locally that I have worked with on previous refits and trust them to help with the process.
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Tim R
38MKII in refit
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Re: Dimensions for 1990 38 mkll
Terry,
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If you have 20 feet, you have plenty of room.
Maximum road height clearance is 17.9" and I had the boat transported from MD.
I had measured it prior and it was under 12'.
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Tim R
38MKII in refit
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Re: Dimensions for 1990 38 mkll
Terry measure the binnacle and wheel as well. ?That is usually the highest spot and what we take down for shipping. ?With 20” you should be fine. You might want to check with Glen and ask if he has shipping heights for your boat.
Allison LehmanSwiftsure Yachtsallison@...Cell: 510.912.5800Fax: 510.860.4640
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On Mar 21, 2025, at 6:58?AM, Terry via groups.io <webonomist@...> wrote:
Thanks Tim,
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I think the stantions might be the highest point. I would rather not have to remove them.
The barn door height is 20ft. My gut feel is that we should have plenty of room even with the hydraulic lift.
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S38 mkll
Great Lakes
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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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Re: Dimensions for 1990 38 mkll
Thanks Tim,
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I think the stantions might be the highest point. I would rather not have to remove them.
The barn door height is 20ft. My gut feel is that we should have plenty of room even with the hydraulic lift.
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Vintage
S38 mkll
Great Lakes
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Hi Dan
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I replaced all the sheaves in my deck organizers ?a few years ago with sheaves from Zephyrwerks, they are far superior but expensive. Google them and you’ll find their website.
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Allan
Dagny
S402-59
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Thank you all very much.? Gus
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Re: Replacing 402 hot water heater
5.3 gal ? That doesn’t seem to be much hot water. Ours is 12 gal on the Delphia 40.?
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On Mar 20, 2025, at 4:15?PM, Jim Harman via groups.io <j99harman@...> wrote:
? Thanks Jim, we have decided to change to the Isotemp 20 l (5.3 gal)?? heater for the replacement. It is about half the price of the Raritan and includes a drain and tempering valve. It has a stainless tank so rust should not be an issue. I will let you all know how the install goes. Hi Jim,
Yes the original Raritan 12 gallon unit. When winterizing, I pull both cold and hot hoses off and join them together. Then I have to disassemble the bottom piping because that check valve down there will not let the tank drain. It is a royal pain! I keep saying I am going to improve it, but then I just put it back together the way it was. I don't love draining all that water in that compartment, but so far so good. I don't put antifreeze in the tank at all. No need to when it's about empty. A drain, with a hose barb and hose leading to the bilge would be REAL nice, but you know how much fun it is to work in that little space. A couple of years ago I took the shower door off to winterize it, and it now lives in my garage loft. It's just not needed, but with it you can SAY you have a dry head. I would be fine with a 6 gallon tank. That size got us by for years, and lighter for racing.
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Jim Gregory
Sabre 402 #32
Milford CT
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Re: Keel Boat Replacement
Tim I have some experience with Marrs. ?Be prepared for lots of delays and a bit of confusion on their part. ?They are very difficult to deal with as far schedules go. You will need drawings in CAD, and they want you to measure the keel bolt locations with a laser. ?Then when they are satisfied they will input the info and the build a mold and the finally ship it. ?This process took ?5 months after they recieved drawings. ?
If prices are even close the Mexican keel builders are far more professional and their castings are top notch.
Allison LehmanSwiftsure Yachtsallison@...Cell: 510.912.5800Fax: 510.860.4640
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On Mar 20, 2025, at 5:11?PM, Tim Rivard via groups.io <tarivard@...> wrote:
John,
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I agree with Len.? I am looking to do the same with my 38.? I have been in contact with MARS keels to do this work.? They manufactured the lead keels.
Right now they are unable to do the work as I was informed that they are in the process of upgrading ventilation in their shop.? I am not sure when they will be ready.
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MARS is equipped with helping with paperwork to get it back and forth across the border.? They will also ship it back in a frame to allow easier reattachment to the hull.
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I am targeting this fall to get mine done.
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contact is Bill Souter bsouter@...
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Tim R
38MKII in refit
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Allison
S426 Kingfisher
SF Bay/Pacifc Northwest
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Re: Dimensions for 1990 38 mkll
so happens I have one in my back yard :-)
I will check tomorrow in daylight.
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Tim R
38MKII in refit (with a wing keel :-))
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Re: Tri-Radial Spinnaker and Storm Trysail, 38MKII, on consignment with Bacon Sails in Annapolis.
Hi Gus,
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Dims would help.
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I am looking for an assym.? I may have found one but I am looking for a somewhat better fit.
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Tim R
38MKII in refit
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Re: Keel Boat Replacement
John,
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I agree with Len.? I am looking to do the same with my 38.? I have been in contact with MARS keels to do this work.? They manufactured the lead keels.
Right now they are unable to do the work as I was informed that they are in the process of upgrading ventilation in their shop.? I am not sure when they will be ready.
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MARS is equipped with helping with paperwork to get it back and forth across the border.? They will also ship it back in a frame to allow easier reattachment to the hull.
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I am targeting this fall to get mine done.
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contact is Bill Souter bsouter@...
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Tim R
38MKII in refit
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Jordan
Tim Rivard
Terry
Allan