On Mar 20, 2025, at 4:15?PM, Jim Harman via groups.io <j99harman@...> wrote:

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Thanks Jim, we have decided to change to the Isotemp 20 l (5.3 gal)?? heater for the replacement. It is about half the price of the Raritan and includes a drain and tempering valve. It has a stainless tank so rust should not be an issue. I will let you all know how the install goes.

On Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 3:46 PM Jim Gregory via <jgregor1.jg=[email protected]> wrote:

Hi Jim,

Yes the original Raritan 12 gallon unit. When winterizing, I pull both cold and hot hoses off and join them together. Then I have to disassemble the bottom piping because that check valve down there will not let the tank drain. It is a royal pain! I keep saying I am going to improve it, but then I just put it back together the way it was. I don't love draining all that water in that compartment, but so far so good. I don't put antifreeze in the tank at all. No need to when it's about empty. A drain, with a hose barb and hose leading to the bilge would be REAL nice, but you know how much fun it is to work in that little space. A couple of years ago I took the shower door off to winterize it, and it now lives in my garage loft. It's just not needed, but with it you can SAY you have a dry head. I would be fine with a 6 gallon tank. That size got us by for years, and lighter for racing.

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Jim Gregory
Sabre 402 #32
Milford CT

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-- Jim Harman
Arcadia
S402 #2
Southport CT

On Mar 20, 2025, at 5:11?PM, Tim Rivard via groups.io <tarivard@...> wrote:

John,

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I agree with Len.? I am looking to do the same with my 38.? I have been in contact with MARS keels to do this work.? They manufactured the lead keels.

Right now they are unable to do the work as I was informed that they are in the process of upgrading ventilation in their shop.? I am not sure when they will be ready.

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MARS is equipped with helping with paperwork to get it back and forth across the border.? They will also ship it back in a frame to allow easier reattachment to the hull.

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I am targeting this fall to get mine done.

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contact is Bill Souter bsouter@...

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Tim R

38MKII in refit

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On Mar 20, 2025, at 7:36?PM, Len Bertaux via groups.io <lbertaux@...> wrote:

John one more thing. Mars Metals I believe built our Sabre keels. Give them a call too. Here’s a link to their website.?

Len Bertaux

On Mar 20, 2025, at 6:58?PM, John Sheehan via groups.io <johnbusbuoy@...> wrote:

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Ossining ny

On Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 6:30 PM Len Bertaux via??<lbertaux=[email protected]> wrote:

Lots of yards. Where’s your boat?

Len Bertaux

On Mar 20, 2025, at 5:23?PM, John Sheehan via??<johnbusbuoy=[email protected]> wrote:

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Who in the Northeast is qualified to replace the keel bolts if I remove and replace the keel myself and transport it to the recommended facility?

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Thanks John Sheehan Sabre 34 Targa #373

On Mar 20, 2025, at 6:14?PM, Peter Tollini via groups.io <sabre30@...> wrote:

A pair of well known Sabre sailors from the Chesapeake did the same stop, then returned to Vero permanently.

It’s a nice place, especially now, but you have to have your eyes open about Florida summers, bugs, wildlife and storms.

Pete

(Former FL resident)

On Mar 20, 2025, at 7:55 AM, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:

?Velcro Beach is not an autocorrect, it is a nickname for Vero Beach amongst cruisers. The municipal marina has an excellent mooring field well protected from all winds and seas. It is used as a hurricane hole. It seems many cruisers get here and have difficulty leaving. For Florida, it is a pleasant location focused mostly on high end tourism, not to the level of West Palm, more upper middle class. Lots of Mercedes, Benzes, a Maserati or two and no carnival rides or spring break shenanigans. Cruisers seem to have a hard time peeling away. We’re on day 5 of a 2 day stay. Happened last time we were here, too. Others have stayed much longer or come for the winter. The boat we’re rafted to has been here 2 months and will stay another 2 months or so.

There are worse places to be.

Dave

Second Star

S362 #113

Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Mar 19, 2025, at 11:12?PM, Bill Kellner via groups.io <bkellner48@...> wrote:

Hi Dave, Glad it worked out. Hopefully you can get unstuck from “Velcro Beach” and get over to the Bahamas. I hate autocorrect.

Bill Kellner

S32 Sandusky Ohio

On Wed, Mar 19, 2025 at 8:33?PM David Lochner via <davelochner=[email protected]> wrote:

We all like bashing insurance companies, or so it seems and for 41 years I’ve not had any complaint about BoatUS insurance, until this week. In the end, everything worked out, the process just sucked.

We have been working our way to the Bahamas since last summer. Our current coverage included Inland and Coastal waters of the US and Canada out to ?75 nm so long as I didn’t enter waters governed by any other nation. Since the Bahamas were on our agenda, I called GEICO last October to inquire about any specific requirements for us to get a Bahamas endorsement as Second Star is celebrating her 32nd birthday. I was told I would need a Valuation and Condition survey that could be done in or out of the water. Fine and consistent with their policy to havre all 30+ year old boats surveyed.

We are now in Velcro Beach and looking at a weather window for crossing next week. On Monday I called GEICO to request the Bahamas endorsement and was told I now needed a survey and?a rigging inspection. I just about blew a gasket but managed to maintain some self-control. After informing the agent I had called last fall and no mention was made of a rigging survey they tried to locate the call and couldn’t find it, or so they say, and denied my request for the endorsement. I did inform them I had been a customer for 41 years with no claims, had a 6 week old survey that found the boat in average or above condition with the recommendations for corrections being “none currently”.? I informed them the rigging was replaced 5 years ago, however the recipes were 1,000 miles away. The request was kicked up a level and the supervisor said no.

I was able to download my call records from ATT and there I found a call I made to BoatUS Insurance on Oct 14. I called them back and gave the agent this specific information and was denied again, although he did connect me with a kind supervisor who actually listened to my argument, 41 years of no claims, recent excellent survey, prior experience sailing to the Bahamas, nand repeated suggestions I would be looking for new insurance provider. She was sympathetic and agreed to review it with the next level of management and get back to me with the decision.

Under some domestic pressure to follow up I called again and was told it had been reviewed by management and was denied. I was perhaps a bit more force full in my response suggesting a change in providers and a complaint to the NY Insurance Commission. Shortly there after I received a call from GEICO on a private line, unfortunately I was helping another boat unjam an in-mast furler. I returned the call to voice mail. An hour so later the kindly manager I had spoken called me and said they would provide the Bahamas endorsement. It was the hardest I've ever worked to spend $20, the cost of a 2 month endorsement.

The lessons from the tribulation are simple:

• Record the exact date and time of any inquires made about your policy. A cell phone makes this easier because that information (at least on ATT) is readily availble on their website.
• If your boat is 30 years old expect to need a survey.
• If your boat is 30 years old expect to need a rigging survey
• Be firm in your dealings
• Loyalty does pay off

I believe loyalty and knowing the precise date and time of any contact made the case for my appeal. Had I known a rigging survey was needed, I would have had one done.?

Forewarned is forearmed. Hope this is helpful to others planning similar trips.

Dave

On Mar 20, 2025, at 6:58?PM, John Sheehan via groups.io <johnbusbuoy@...> wrote:

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Ossining ny

On Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 6:30 PM Len Bertaux via <lbertaux=[email protected]> wrote:

Lots of yards. Where’s your boat?

Len Bertaux

On Mar 20, 2025, at 5:23?PM, John Sheehan via <johnbusbuoy=[email protected]> wrote:

?

Who in the Northeast is qualified to replace the keel bolts if I remove and replace the keel myself and transport it to the recommended facility?

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Thanks John Sheehan Sabre 34 Targa #373

On Mar 20, 2025, at 6:58?PM, John Sheehan via groups.io <johnbusbuoy@...> wrote:

?

Ossining ny

On Thu, Mar 20, 2025, 6:30 PM Len Bertaux via <lbertaux=[email protected]> wrote:

Lots of yards. Where’s your boat?

Len Bertaux

On Mar 20, 2025, at 5:23?PM, John Sheehan via <johnbusbuoy=[email protected]> wrote:

?

Who in the Northeast is qualified to replace the keel bolts if I remove and replace the keel myself and transport it to the recommended facility?

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Thanks John Sheehan Sabre 34 Targa #373

On Mar 20, 2025, at 5:23?PM, John Sheehan via groups.io <johnbusbuoy@...> wrote:

?

Who in the Northeast is qualified to replace the keel bolts if I remove and replace the keel myself and transport it to the recommended facility?

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Thanks John Sheehan Sabre 34 Targa #373

On Mar 20, 2025, at 7:55 AM, David Lochner via groups.io <davelochner@...> wrote:

?Velcro Beach is not an autocorrect, it is a nickname for Vero Beach amongst cruisers. The municipal marina has an excellent mooring field well protected from all winds and seas. It is used as a hurricane hole. It seems many cruisers get here and have difficulty leaving. For Florida, it is a pleasant location focused mostly on high end tourism, not to the level of West Palm, more upper middle class. Lots of Mercedes, Benzes, a Maserati or two and no carnival rides or spring break shenanigans. Cruisers seem to have a hard time peeling away. We’re on day 5 of a 2 day stay. Happened last time we were here, too. Others have stayed much longer or come for the winter. The boat we’re rafted to has been here 2 months and will stay another 2 months or so.

There are worse places to be.

Dave

Second Star

S362 #113

Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario

On Mar 19, 2025, at 11:12?PM, Bill Kellner via groups.io <bkellner48@...> wrote:

Hi Dave, Glad it worked out. Hopefully you can get unstuck from “Velcro Beach” and get over to the Bahamas. I hate autocorrect.

Bill Kellner

S32 Sandusky Ohio

On Wed, Mar 19, 2025 at 8:33?PM David Lochner via <davelochner=[email protected]> wrote:

We all like bashing insurance companies, or so it seems and for 41 years I’ve not had any complaint about BoatUS insurance, until this week. In the end, everything worked out, the process just sucked.

We have been working our way to the Bahamas since last summer. Our current coverage included Inland and Coastal waters of the US and Canada out to ?75 nm so long as I didn’t enter waters governed by any other nation. Since the Bahamas were on our agenda, I called GEICO last October to inquire about any specific requirements for us to get a Bahamas endorsement as Second Star is celebrating her 32nd birthday. I was told I would need a Valuation and Condition survey that could be done in or out of the water. Fine and consistent with their policy to havre all 30+ year old boats surveyed.

We are now in Velcro Beach and looking at a weather window for crossing next week. On Monday I called GEICO to request the Bahamas endorsement and was told I now needed a survey and?a rigging inspection. I just about blew a gasket but managed to maintain some self-control. After informing the agent I had called last fall and no mention was made of a rigging survey they tried to locate the call and couldn’t find it, or so they say, and denied my request for the endorsement. I did inform them I had been a customer for 41 years with no claims, had a 6 week old survey that found the boat in average or above condition with the recommendations for corrections being “none currently”.? I informed them the rigging was replaced 5 years ago, however the recipes were 1,000 miles away. The request was kicked up a level and the supervisor said no.

I was able to download my call records from ATT and there I found a call I made to BoatUS Insurance on Oct 14. I called them back and gave the agent this specific information and was denied again, although he did connect me with a kind supervisor who actually listened to my argument, 41 years of no claims, recent excellent survey, prior experience sailing to the Bahamas, nand repeated suggestions I would be looking for new insurance provider. She was sympathetic and agreed to review it with the next level of management and get back to me with the decision.

Under some domestic pressure to follow up I called again and was told it had been reviewed by management and was denied. I was perhaps a bit more force full in my response suggesting a change in providers and a complaint to the NY Insurance Commission. Shortly there after I received a call from GEICO on a private line, unfortunately I was helping another boat unjam an in-mast furler. I returned the call to voice mail. An hour so later the kindly manager I had spoken called me and said they would provide the Bahamas endorsement. It was the hardest I've ever worked to spend $20, the cost of a 2 month endorsement.

The lessons from the tribulation are simple:

• Record the exact date and time of any inquires made about your policy. A cell phone makes this easier because that information (at least on ATT) is readily availble on their website.
• If your boat is 30 years old expect to need a survey.
• If your boat is 30 years old expect to need a rigging survey
• Be firm in your dealings
• Loyalty does pay off

I believe loyalty and knowing the precise date and time of any contact made the case for my appeal. Had I known a rigging survey was needed, I would have had one done.?

Forewarned is forearmed. Hope this is helpful to others planning similar trips.

Dave

On Mar 20, 2025, at 11:50?AM, Mitchell Sogin via groups.io <mitchellsogin@...> wrote:

I had an email exchange with Glenn last week

Mitchell Sogin IPhone

5085661468

On Mar 20, 2025, at 2:35?PM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:

? The last word on that ~6 months ago were that reports of his retirement had been greatly exaggerated.
Perhaps something has happened since but? . . . . . .

On 3/20/2025 2:32 PM, Gus Wilson via groups.io wrote:

I believe some reported that Glenn Chaplin had retired.?

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Does anyone have the current Sabre contact's email address?? I tried to make an enquiry using the online contact form, but don't think it was transmitted.

Gus

S38 MKII Wings' duet

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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME

On Mar 20, 2025, at 3:31?PM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:

? I bought six, for my 362, in 2021 from Fisheries Supply

<Fisheries Supply Lewmar sheaves & Harken strops.jpg>

On 3/20/2025 3:19 PM, Jim Gregory via groups.io wrote:

Dan I got the part number from Defender. Jim Kerney had purchased them, and I had to call up Defender and have them go through HIS orders to find the number. I doubt I could do that trick with the new and UN-improved Defender but who knows. I bought a complete set of them to have some spares on hand. The price seems to have about doubled since then if memory serves.

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Jim Gregory
Sabre 402 #32
Milford CT

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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME