Re: 402 head/shower drains
Our solution is still a work in progress. The plan is to put a dam where the old sump box was located, let the water drain there and use a Whale low profile bilge pump to pump it up and out the sink drain. The dam is in and that is as far as the project has gotten
Dave Second Star S362 #113 Fair Haven, NY/Lake Ontario
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On Mar 14, 2025, at 12:00?PM, Bob Blakley via groups.io <blakley.bob51@...> wrote:
Hi All,
Our 362 has similar problems with the shower drain and the fact that the shower box is small, overflows, and is no longer available. I took the shower drain fitting apart and it is a very tight space and as I remeber the head and shower drain were plumbed poorly to the shower sump box and then the float switch activated pump would pump out of the shower box to the sink drain. Currently thinking about using the Gulley IC grey waste pump for the shower. Anyone have any thoughts about this?
Perhaps drain the head side drain to the bilge as it is only there for an emergency - seldom used.
Bob Blakley
Jackalope
362
Rochester, NY
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Re: 402 head/shower drains
Hi All,
Our 362 has similar problems with the shower drain and the fact that the shower box is small, overflows, and is no longer available. I took the shower drain fitting apart and it is a very tight space and as I remeber the head and shower drain were plumbed poorly to the shower sump box and then the float switch activated pump would pump out of the shower box to the sink drain. Currently thinking about using the Gulley IC grey waste pump for the shower. Anyone have any thoughts about this?
Perhaps drain the head side drain to the bilge as it is only there for an emergency - seldom used.
Bob Blakley
Jackalope
362
Rochester, NY
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Re: Canvas cover for Sabre 36?
I too have a Fairclough cover, excellent quality and will serve for decades with regular maintenance. Len Bertaux
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On Mar 14, 2025, at 11:18?AM, David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via groups.io <dhs.short@...> wrote:
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had Faircloughs for two different boats - good quality & good
folks
On 3/14/2025 10:08 AM, Stevenson Daniel
via groups.io wrote:
New owner of a 1985 Sabre 36 here.?
Any advice on acquiring and using a canvas cover for the
winter?? Anyone have suggestions on where to get one??
Thanks in advance!
Daniel Stevenson
Highland Wave
Padanaram, MA
-- Dave Short SV One Timer 1997 S362 Mt Desert, ME
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Re: Canvas cover for Sabre 36?
had Faircloughs for two different boats - good quality & good
folks
On 3/14/2025 10:08 AM, Stevenson Daniel
via groups.io wrote:
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New owner of a 1985 Sabre 36 here.?
Any advice on acquiring and using a canvas cover for the
winter?? Anyone have suggestions on where to get one??
Thanks in advance!
Daniel Stevenson
Highland Wave
Padanaram, MA
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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
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Re: 402 head/shower drains
I find it difficult to believe that the
head drain ties into the wet exhaust. Pumping exhaust gases into
the head is not such a great idea.? Maybe it's the intake line for
the manual bilge pump?
On 3/14/2025 1:06 AM, Scott Barnes via
groups.io wrote:
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Still
haven't figured out where my small fresh water leak is coming
from (I am assuming it's a loose clamp), but I did find out
where the shower and head drains go. With all of your
comments, you were correct about the shower traveling to the
pump under
the sink. Some mentioned that the head drain ends at the bilge
while others said theirs tied into the shower drain. Ours is
tied to what I believe is our wet exhaust line. You can see
the shower drain hose (smaller black hose) under the head
drain hose. ( gotta love the endoscope!)
?
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Re: Canvas cover for Sabre 36?
Two considerations:? 1) go to a specialist like Fairclough. I have had a Fairclough frame and canvas on my 402 for 10 years. I'm in Toronto so at least 6 months of harsh winter. Has only needed minor repair.? Choice 2) buy a very cheap polyethylene tarpaulin in Canada we can get a 20ft X 40ft one? for less that $100 at Canadian Tire.? It may only require a partial frame that can be made with 2x4's or PBS. You can replace every year.? Just some things to consider. Mike Sabre 402 #37 Lake Ontario
New owner of a 1985 Sabre 36 here.? Any advice on acquiring and using a canvas cover for the winter?? Anyone have suggestions on where to get one?? Thanks in advance!
Daniel Stevenson Highland Wave Padanaram, MA
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Re: Canvas cover for Sabre 36?
Depends on if you want custom forever, ?custom lasts well, or DIY. ?I made mine from the diy description on Sailrite and have been very pleased. ?One support PVC did break this winter 5 seasons already but the frame was cracked in the Fall so I risked too far. ??
not for the faint of heart but the fabric choice is excellent if you have it made of Aqualon.?  --
Stephanie
Moderator
Sabre 36, #67
Formerly Sabre 28-2, #289
Wilson Harbor, NY Lake Ontario
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Canvas cover for Sabre 36?
New owner of a 1985 Sabre 36 here.? Any advice on acquiring and using a canvas cover for the winter?? Anyone have suggestions on where to get one?? Thanks in advance!
Daniel Stevenson Highland Wave Padanaram, MA
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Re: Replacing 402 hot water heater
Yes it went in but on a slight angle with all the fixtures? facing the head. This made the connections all accessible from either the stairs or the head access panel.? I put a piano hinge on the bottom step so it could be easily opened for access. Just like the winch storage stair.? It also gave me a place to store the empty wine bottles and beer cans.? The hoses were long enough to be connected.? Having the stair access makes it very easy disconnect the water system to install a bypass for winterizing and draining.? Mike Sabre 402 #37?? Lake Ontario
Thanks David and Mike,
I am not at the boat now to measure the space. How are your Isotemp heaters mounted - sideways, i.e. with the pipes pointing toward the shower, or with the pipes pointing forward?
And did you need to extend or replace the hoses to the engine, or did the original hoses fit? On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 1:33?PM David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via <dhs.short= [email protected]> wrote:
We are actually 8 gallon
On 3/13/2025 1:21 PM, David Short
wrote:
My 362 had same Isotemp setup when I purchased 10 years ago.?
Works great, all the HW we need.
On 3/13/2025 11:55 AM, Mike via
wrote:
I replaced the Raritan with
a 5 gallon Isotemp with the mixer.? Has worked well, 5
gallons seems to be enough hot water.? It is plumbed with
the engine cooling system and has a 110 heater.? Mike
Sabre 402 #37
Lake Ontario
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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
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Re: 402 head/shower drains
奥丑辞补….?
I don’t think anyone had this on their bingo card. Great input, Scott. This is what the group is all about.?
Thanks for sharing!?
Jordan
S402-047
formerly S36-087
Lake Michigan
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Re: 402 head/shower drains
Still haven't figured out where my small fresh water leak is coming from (I am assuming it's a loose clamp), but I did find out where the shower and head drains go. With all of your comments, you were correct about the shower traveling to the pump under the sink. Some mentioned that the head drain ends at the bilge while others said theirs tied into the shower drain. Ours is tied to what I believe is our wet exhaust line. You can see the shower drain hose (smaller black hose) under the head drain hose. ( gotta love the endoscope!)
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Re: Cuttyhunk Rendezvous Summer 2025
Thanks Roger. Aquila is a local boat (Padanaram) and will be there if the dates work out. ?
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Re: Replacing 402 hot water heater
Pointing forward towards shower in 362. Located in lazarette I did not do install so cannot tell on the hoses
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On Mar 13, 2025, at 5:31?PM, Jim Harman via groups.io <j99harman@...> wrote:
? Thanks David and Mike,
I am not at the boat now to measure the space. How are your Isotemp heaters mounted - sideways, i.e. with the pipes pointing toward the shower, or with the pipes pointing forward?
And did you need to extend or replace the hoses to the engine, or did the original hoses fit? On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 1:33?PM David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via <dhs.short= [email protected]> wrote:
We are actually 8 gallon
On 3/13/2025 1:21 PM, David Short
wrote:
My 362 had same Isotemp setup when I purchased 10 years ago.?
Works great, all the HW we need.
On 3/13/2025 11:55 AM, Mike via
wrote:
I replaced the Raritan with
a 5 gallon Isotemp with the mixer.? Has worked well, 5
gallons seems to be enough hot water.? It is plumbed with
the engine cooling system and has a 110 heater.? Mike
Sabre 402 #37
Lake Ontario
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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
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Re: Replacing 402 hot water heater
Thanks David and Mike,
I am not at the boat now to measure the space. How are your Isotemp heaters mounted - sideways, i.e. with the pipes pointing toward the shower, or with the pipes pointing forward?
And did you need to extend or replace the hoses to the engine, or did the original hoses fit? On Thu, Mar 13, 2025 at 1:33?PM David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME via <dhs.short= [email protected]> wrote:
We are actually 8 gallon
On 3/13/2025 1:21 PM, David Short
wrote:
My 362 had same Isotemp setup when I purchased 10 years ago.?
Works great, all the HW we need.
On 3/13/2025 11:55 AM, Mike via
wrote:
I replaced the Raritan with
a 5 gallon Isotemp with the mixer.? Has worked well, 5
gallons seems to be enough hot water.? It is plumbed with
the engine cooling system and has a 110 heater.? Mike
Sabre 402 #37
Lake Ontario
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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
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-- Jim Harman
Arcadia
S402 #2
Southport CT
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Re: Replacing 402 hot water heater
We are actually 8 gallon
On 3/13/2025 1:21 PM, David Short
wrote:
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My 362 had same Isotemp setup when I purchased 10 years ago.?
Works great, all the HW we need.
On 3/13/2025 11:55 AM, Mike via
groups.io wrote:
I replaced the Raritan with
a 5 gallon Isotemp with the mixer.? Has worked well, 5
gallons seems to be enough hot water.? It is plumbed with
the engine cooling system and has a 110 heater.? Mike
Sabre 402 #37
Lake Ontario
Arcadia's original Raritan 12 Gal. hot water
heater has rusted out and is leaking, so it is time
for a replacement.? We currently do not have a
mixing valve, so I am planning to add that as well
as a 3 way valve for winterizing.
?
Instead of simply replacing the Raritan, I am
wondering if anyone has experience to share with
using an Isotemp or Quick heater as a replacement. I
see the Isotemp is stainless and plastic, comes with
a mixing valve, and is less expensive than the
Raritan. It looks as if either of those might
require extending or replacing the heat exchanger
hoses.?
?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
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-- Jim Harman
Arcadia
S402 #2
Southport CT
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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
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Re: Replacing 402 hot water heater
My 362 had same Isotemp setup when I purchased 10 years ago.? Woks
great, all the HW we need.
On 3/13/2025 11:55 AM, Mike via
groups.io wrote:
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I replaced the Raritan with a
5 gallon Isotemp with the mixer.? Has worked well, 5 gallons
seems to be enough hot water.? It is plumbed with the engine
cooling system and has a 110 heater.? Mike
Sabre 402 #37
Lake Ontario
Arcadia's original Raritan 12 Gal. hot water heater
has rusted out and is leaking, so it is time for a
replacement.? We currently do not have a mixing valve,
so I am planning to add that as well as a 3 way valve
for winterizing.
?
Instead of simply replacing the Raritan, I am
wondering if anyone has experience to share with using
an Isotemp or Quick heater as a replacement. I see the
Isotemp is stainless and plastic, comes with a mixing
valve, and is less expensive than the Raritan. It
looks as if either of those might require extending or
replacing the heat exchanger hoses.?
?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
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-- Jim Harman
Arcadia
S402 #2
Southport CT
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Dave Short
SV One Timer 1997 S362
Mt Desert, ME
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Re: 402 head/shower drains
I will probably check in on the OTHER
Sapphire next week. It might have to wait until after
commissioning, so I can pour some water into the drain.
On 3/13/2025 11:47 AM, Sapphire402 via
groups.io wrote:
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as Glen
remarks, the head side DOES go to the bilge.? the?shower
side needs the shower pump.? at least that is how Sapphire
is plumbed.
Fair winds,
Mike
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svSapphire
2001
Sabre 402
Atlantic
Highlands, NJ
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Re: Replacing 402 hot water heater
I replaced the Raritan with a 5 gallon Isotemp with the mixer.? Has worked well, 5 gallons seems to be enough hot water.? It is plumbed with the engine cooling system and has a 110 heater.? Mike Sabre 402 #37 Lake Ontario
Arcadia's original Raritan 12 Gal. hot water heater has rusted out and is leaking, so it is time for a replacement.? We currently do not have a mixing valve, so I am planning to add that as well as a 3 way valve for winterizing.
?
Instead of simply replacing the Raritan, I am wondering if anyone has experience to share with using an Isotemp or Quick heater as a replacement. I see the Isotemp is stainless and plastic, comes with a mixing valve, and is less expensive than the Raritan. It looks as if either of those might require extending or replacing the heat exchanger hoses.?
?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
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-- Jim Harman
Arcadia
S402 #2
Southport CT
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Replacing 402 hot water heater
Arcadia's original Raritan 12 Gal. hot water heater has rusted out and is leaking, so it is time for a replacement.? We currently do not have a mixing valve, so I am planning to add that as well as a 3 way valve for winterizing.
?
Instead of simply replacing the Raritan, I am wondering if anyone has experience to share with using an Isotemp or Quick heater as a replacement. I see the Isotemp is stainless and plastic, comes with a mixing valve, and is less expensive than the Raritan. It looks as if either of those might require extending or replacing the heat exchanger hoses.?
?
Thanks in advance for any advice.
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-- Jim Harman
Arcadia
S402 #2
Southport CT
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Re: 402 head/shower drains
as Glen remarks, the head side DOES go to the bilge.? the?shower side needs the shower pump.? at least that is how Sapphire is plumbed. Fair winds, Mike
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svSapphire 2001 Sabre 402 Atlantic Highlands, NJ
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Len Bertaux
David Short, SV One Timer, 1997 362, Mt Desert, ME
Stephanie
Jordan
Scott Barnes
Sabre 38 mkII
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