Shah, ? I agree with Atwell, repair your existing harness unless it is really trashed. ? Download one of the wiring diagrams from my web site . Have it blown up to a poster, and frame it with a cheap plastic frame. ? I recommend additional wiring from the starter to the front end. I ran two 10-ga wires, one for the headlights, one for the new Spal cooling fans. ? Bill ?
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From: [email protected] < [email protected]> On Behalf Of Selbe, Shah Sent: Monday, April 8, 2024 3:02 AM To: [email protected]Subject: Re: [S1S2euroS3LotusEspritOwners] Wiring Nightmare...? ? Hi all,
I am bumping this thread back up to the top because I wanted to know if there have been any advancements in the best approach to harness repairs/updates in the (nearly) ten years since this thread was last discussed. I have some quirks in mine and a 90s alarm system that I would like to remove. Harness work always makes me nervous, and I wonder if it would be better to start fresh and add the necessary relays and other improvements. I have an uninstalled window relay kit for the car but I know there are other areas of the harness that can use improvements.?
Is it better to try and diagnose wire-by-wire or try and start fresh? What improvements would you all make to a stock harness?
Are there any new vendors or insight on how to update the wiring harness for the early cars (I have an S2)? Auto Sparks has a for 877.92 GBP and SJ for 695.78 GBP. Has anyone used these? I believe both are to stock specification, so it would be a starting point for a fresh install and upgrade. Has anyone used one of those custom harness kits to just start from scratch?
Just curious what everyone thinks.?
Thanks,?
Shah
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I think you would be better-off addressing your 'quirks' individually than replacing complete wire harnesses. Start NEW topics for each.
That said, Lotus harnesses often have poor connections or crimps. Wiring diagrams are available online.
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Atwell Haines
'88 Esprit Turbo
Succasunna, NJ USA
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Hi all,
I am bumping this thread back up to the top because I wanted to know if there have been any advancements in the best approach to harness repairs/updates in the (nearly) ten years since this thread was last discussed. I have some quirks in mine and a 90s alarm system that I would like to remove. Harness work always makes me nervous, and I wonder if it would be better to start fresh and add the necessary relays and other improvements. I have an uninstalled window relay kit for the car but I know there are other areas of the harness that can use improvements.?
Is it better to try and diagnose wire-by-wire or try and start fresh? What improvements would you all make to a stock harness?
Are there any new vendors or insight on how to update the wiring harness for the early cars (I have an S2)? Auto Sparks has a for 877.92 GBP and SJ for 695.78 GBP. Has anyone used these? I believe both are to stock specification, so it would be a starting point for a fresh install and upgrade. Has anyone used one of those custom harness kits to just start from scratch?
Just curious what everyone thinks.?
Thanks,?
Shah
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Sorry. You feel that way. Maybe You are UNDER INSURED. I like my S1 . But , I don't eat , sleep and dream Esprit S1. And to ensinuate that someone would come to perhaps come to steal your car , is plain wrong. And extreme paranoia.
On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 at 11:37, P. <pasqualeelauqsap850@...> wrote:
> I am a 1977 Esprit S1 Owner.
> include the Country, the Province and the City in which one lives.
What is this insanity?!
Don't you know that it is highly improper to include relevant
information on vehicle model and/or year, let alone any idea of
location?
You'll bring the entire fabric of reality crashing down upon us with
this kind of reasonable behavior!!
P.S. Subtitles for the hard of thinking; This is a joke.
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Paul Compton
(YouTube channel)
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On Wed, 20 Mar 2024 at 11:37, P. <pasqualeelauqsap850@...> wrote: I am a 1977 Esprit S1 Owner. include the Country, the Province and the City in which one lives. What is this insanity?! Don't you know that it is highly improper to include relevant information on vehicle model and/or year, let alone any idea of location? You'll bring the entire fabric of reality crashing down upon us with this kind of reasonable behavior!! P.S. Subtitles for the hard of thinking; This is a joke. -- Paul Compton www.paulcompton.co.uk (YouTube channel)
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Tony? I am a 1977 Esprit S1 Owner. Thanks for offering these smog parts to the owners. However as I mentioned previously. I find it to be IMPERATIVE that when? an S 1 or? S2? owner sends an Email in regards to S1 or S2 include the Country, the Province and the City in which one lives. That way not only we can offer eachother help theoretically. But? practically. Eg. Someone may want to reach out and would like to compare cars. Eg. If someone is working on a project and unsure of something.? Thanks ?
On Wed., Mar. 20, 2024, 3:56 a.m. Tony K. via , <racing_nut_1= [email protected]> wrote:
Hello Shah,
? ? ?I have some smog equipment components for an S1/S2.? I have a couple of the air injection rails, and might have a smog pump.? Maybe a few other bits;? I'd have to check.? They were removed years ago from running cars and are in average condition.? I also have a couple of sets of Zenith carburetors with their manifolds.? If you are interested in any of this, call or text me at (419) 705-6830.? (I don't check this email often.)
Cheers,
Tony K.
On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 10:59:38 PM EST, Selbe, Shah < shah.selbe@...> wrote:
Does anyone have a good source for the smog equipment for a ‘79 S2? Mine has none of that equipment and I will have to go through that ?
I have also read that folks have passed CA smog with Dellortos if they have the?air pump and air injection rail intact, airbox and catalytic converter in place. Does anyone know more details on that?
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Hello Shah,
? ? ?I have some smog equipment components for an S1/S2.? I have a couple of the air injection rails, and might have a smog pump.? Maybe a few other bits;? I'd have to check.? They were removed years ago from running cars and are in average condition.? I also have a couple of sets of Zenith carburetors with their manifolds.? If you are interested in any of this, call or text me at (419) 705-6830.? (I don't check this email often.)
Cheers,
Tony K.
On Wednesday, February 14, 2024 at 10:59:38 PM EST, Selbe, Shah <shah.selbe@...> wrote:
Does anyone have a good source for the smog equipment for a ‘79 S2? Mine has none of that equipment and I will have to go through that ?
I have also read that folks have passed CA smog with Dellortos if they have the?air pump and air injection rail intact, airbox and catalytic converter in place. Does anyone know more details on that?
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Thanks Tim, I’ll try that.
Murray Graham
Toronto ON
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On Mar 17, 2024, at 2:45?PM, Tim Engel <TSEngel@...> wrote:
?If it comes down to corroded contacts in a connector, then do more than just cycle them in & out. Apply a de-oxidant cleaner to the contacts.
CAIG DeoxIt is a spray cleaner that works well. Just spray the contacts on both mating plugs, then put it together.
Alternatively, there's a product called ZAP "Rail-Zip 2". It's made by the same Pacer Technology (ZAP) people who make super glues for the 'hobby' guys. It's available at any local hobby shop that caters to model trains... it's usually right next to the super glues. I've always got some on-hand. Just apply some to both mating contacts, then push the connector together. In a short time, it will deal with any corrosion. It works great on the 'bullet' connectors that are so common in Britcars.
Regards,
Tim Engel
03/17/2024, 8:19AM, Atwell Haines, <carbuff@...> wrote:
Before buying a new wiper control, I'd disconnect and reconnect the plugs to it, 3X. That might get everything to work.
We borrowed a friend's Esprit for a LOG and suffered with inoperative wiper for a week! (Rain-X to the rescue)
When we returned the car, the owner reseated the plugs and the wipers miraculously worked!!! LOL
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Atwell Haines
'88 Esprit Turbo
Succasunna, NJ USA
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If it comes down to corroded contacts in a connector, then do more than just cycle them in & out. Apply a de-oxidant cleaner to the contacts.
CAIG DeoxIt is a spray cleaner that works well. Just spray the contacts on both mating plugs, then put it together.
Alternatively, there's a product called ZAP "Rail-Zip 2". It's made by the same Pacer Technology (ZAP) people who make super glues for the 'hobby' guys. It's available at any local hobby shop that caters to model trains... it's usually right next to the super glues. I've always got some on-hand. Just apply some to both mating contacts, then push the connector together. In a short time, it will deal with any corrosion. It works great on the 'bullet' connectors that are so common in Britcars.
Regards,
Tim Engel
03/17/2024, 8:19AM, Atwell Haines, <carbuff@...> wrote:
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Before buying a new wiper control, I'd disconnect and reconnect the plugs to it, 3X. That might get everything to work.
We borrowed a friend's Esprit for a LOG and suffered with inoperative wiper for a week! (Rain-X to the rescue)
When we returned the car, the owner reseated the plugs and the wipers miraculously worked!!! LOL
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Atwell Haines
'88 Esprit Turbo
Succasunna, NJ USA
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Sure I’ll try that - connections are 45+ years old so it could be that, thanks for the tip.? Murray Graham
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On Mar 17, 2024, at 9:19?AM, Atwell <carbuff@...> wrote:
?Before buying a new wiper control, I'd disconnect and reconnect the plugs to it, 3X. That might get everything to work.
We borrowed a friend's Esprit for a LOG and suffered with inoperative wiper for a week!? (Rain-X to the rescue)
When we returned the car, the owner reseated the plugs and the wipers miraculously? worked!!!? LOL
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Atwell Haines
'88 Esprit Turbo
Succasunna, NJ USA
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Before buying a new wiper control, I'd disconnect and reconnect the plugs to it, 3X. That might get everything to work.
We borrowed a friend's Esprit for a LOG and suffered with inoperative wiper for a week!? (Rain-X to the rescue)
When we returned the car, the owner reseated the plugs and the wipers miraculously? worked!!!? LOL
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Atwell Haines
'88 Esprit Turbo
Succasunna, NJ USA
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Yes I believe the switch is in the wiper motor. Without testing yet I think it’s probably the the Lucas 6DA wiper control that’s the issue, SJ has them so after testing at least I know where to get one. Thanks for the info Atwell
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On Mar 17, 2024, at 8:49?AM, Atwell <carbuff@...> wrote:
?Don't know about the S2, but on the Stevens Esprit the wiper delay 'module' is zip-tied up under the dash, to the right of the steering column.
Regards the 'park position' issue:? Generically, many older cars simply used a cam & switch to interrupt power to the wiper motor when it reached the proper position. Can you determine from the removed, old motor if this is the case?
Look up the schematics and trace by wire color.
HTH
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Atwell Haines
'88 Esprit Turbo
Succasunna, NJ USA
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Don't know about the S2, but on the Stevens Esprit the wiper delay 'module' is zip-tied up under the dash, to the right of the steering column.
Regards the 'park position' issue:? Generically, many older cars simply used a cam & switch to interrupt power to the wiper motor when it reached the proper position. Can you determine from the removed, old motor if this is the case?
Look up the schematics and trace by wire color.
HTH
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Atwell Haines
'88 Esprit Turbo
Succasunna, NJ USA
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Does anyone know where the wiper delay unit is located? Thanks
Murray Graham
Toronto ON
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On Mar 16, 2024, at 3:43?PM, Paul Compton <paul.compton7@...> wrote:
?Wiper motor manual;
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 at 19:21, Murray Graham <murraygraham1961@...> wrote:
I had issues with my wiper - installed new motor, and new wiper stalk. Now it’s working but only one speed and won’t stop automatically at bottom of windshield, I have to manually switch on and off until it reaches bottom. Any suggestions on how to remedy this? Thanks
Murray Graham
Toronto ON
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www.paulcompton.co.uk (YouTube channel)
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Thanks Paul
Murray Graham
Toronto ON
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On Mar 16, 2024, at 3:43?PM, Paul Compton <paul.compton7@...> wrote:
?Wiper motor manual;
On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 at 19:21, Murray Graham <murraygraham1961@...> wrote:
I had issues with my wiper - installed new motor, and new wiper stalk. Now it’s working but only one speed and won’t stop automatically at bottom of windshield, I have to manually switch on and off until it reaches bottom. Any suggestions on how to remedy this? Thanks
Murray Graham
Toronto ON
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www.paulcompton.co.uk (YouTube channel)
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Wiper motor manual;
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On Sat, 16 Mar 2024 at 19:21, Murray Graham <murraygraham1961@...> wrote:
I had issues with my wiper - installed new motor, and new wiper stalk. Now it’s working but only one speed and won’t stop automatically at bottom of windshield, I have to manually switch on and off until it reaches bottom. Any suggestions on how to remedy this? Thanks
Murray Graham
Toronto ON
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www.paulcompton.co.uk (YouTube channel)
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1979 S2
Murray Graham
Toronto ON
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On Mar 16, 2024, at 3:21?PM, Murray Graham via groups.io <murraygraham1961@...> wrote:
?I had issues with my wiper - installed new motor, and new wiper stalk. Now it’s working but only one speed and won’t stop automatically at bottom of windshield, I have to manually switch on and off until it reaches bottom. Any suggestions on how to remedy this? Thanks
Murray Graham
Toronto ON
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I had issues with my wiper - installed new motor, and new wiper stalk. Now it’s working but only one speed and won’t stop automatically at bottom of windshield, I have to manually switch on and off until it reaches bottom. Any suggestions on how to remedy this? Thanks
Murray Graham
Toronto ON
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Re: Esprit 1990 Missing relay
My power mirrors don’t work, but I know it’s because the wire running between the body and door is broken. It’s just in a bitch of a place to fix. I’ll probably have to disconnect it in the door, pull it into the cockpit, and repair or replace the wire. ? Bill ?
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of John M via groups.io
Sent: Friday, March 8, 2024 8:53 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [S1S2euroS3LotusEspritOwners] Esprit 1990 Missing relay? Many thanks for the info which was also confirmed by my Lotus parts supplier here in the UK ? I will have to find another reason for the lack of power to the door mirrors! ? Cheers John ? From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Atwell
Sent: 07 March 2024 12:46
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [S1S2euroS3LotusEspritOwners] Esprit 1990 Missing relay ? That relay location should be empty, in US cars at least.
Some Esprits have a (factory installed) jumper between two terminals of that empty relay socket. Would need to look up the specifics.? I KNOW I've seen pictures!
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'88 Esprit Turbo
Succasunna, NJ USA
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Re: Esprit 1990 Missing relay
Many thanks for the info which was also confirmed by my Lotus parts supplier here in the UK ? I will have to find another reason for the lack of power to the door mirrors! ? Cheers John ?
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Atwell
Sent: 07 March 2024 12:46
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [S1S2euroS3LotusEspritOwners] Esprit 1990 Missing relay ? That relay location should be empty, in US cars at least.
Some Esprits have a (factory installed) jumper between two terminals of that empty relay socket. Would need to look up the specifics.? I KNOW I've seen pictures!
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Atwell Haines
'88 Esprit Turbo
Succasunna, NJ USA
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