Murray,
I think I have part of it, like the back plate, or maybe the airbox. I think I ordered one by mistake. I'll check for you later tonight.
I bought them at SJ.
Bill
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-----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto: [email protected]] On Behalf Of Murray Graham Sent: Friday, April 01, 2022 2:35 PM To: [email protected]Subject: [S1S2euroS3LotusEspritOwners] Air filter box I was wondering if anyone had a spare Esprit S2 air filter box. Mine was deleted when I purchased the car and I’d like to reinstall one. Has Dellorto carbs. Thanks Murray Graham 416-799-4219 -- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
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I was wondering if anyone had a spare Esprit S2 air filter box. Mine was deleted when I purchased the car and I’d like to reinstall one.
Has Dellorto carbs.
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Murray Graham
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4th batch HML reversed cwp sets
Here they are!!!!
Not just a few left overs but new batch top quality reversed ring and pinion sets for Lotus Esprit Citroen gearbox.
PM for price. Special offer in combination with Quaife ATB differential and/or complete overhaul. cheers, Harry Martens 
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Re: Refinishing Wolfrace wheels
To bring closure to this topic, I sent the refinisher several pictures of the wheels.? He said that he does not recommend machining the wheels and that it's not a matter of technic but the wheels themselves.? He said that due to the age of the material, exposing pits in the cutting process is likely and that the clear coat will show a peppered look.? In addition, the stamped lettering on the rim is so close to the machined surface that there is a risk of machining the lettering.? Instead he recommended polishing the wheels.??
So I will attempt the polishing process Tony described above in order to retain the original machined surface.
Again, thanks for all your responses.? Much appreciated.
Jeff
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Re: Refinishing Wolfrace wheels
I mentioned the above issues to my refinisher today.? He said that they can reproduce the finish to within 99% of original, pending condition of wheels, without removing excess material.? I plan on meeting with him next Friday and will let you know results when the wheels are done.
Thanks for your input.
Jeff
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Re: Refinishing Wolfrace wheels
I have a very careful method of hand polishing Wolfrace wheels that are in good condition with light to moderate corrosion under the clearcoat.? I have done it to five sets over the years, along with occasional light retreatments.? I am a preservationist at heart, and I do not like what I have seen in terms of refinishing.
My two gripes with refinished wheels are:? 1) That the grooves are too wide from any shop in the US that I have seen.? i.e., the number of grooves per inch or cm is too few.? It makes the wheels look coarse.? 2)? Refinishers take way too much metal off of the wheels.? This is evidenced by the pockets along the outer rim, where the Wolface name and date codes are.? I have seen some of these that are so shallow, like more than 1mm has been taken off.? At a rate like that, a wheel set gets to be refinished only one time before the pockets are wiped off altogether.? ?I would not trust a set of Wolfies to a mass production wheel refinishing shop, and I would not trust them with any shop unless I could discuss preservation of the depth of the pockets, groove pitch, etc., with the person who is actually doing the work, and get it in writing.
So instead, I employ this careful method of polishing:
1)? I strip the clear coat with a brush-on gel type citrus stripper from Home Depot.? ?Brush it on, let it sit, wipe it off, rinse.? It gets 99% of the clearcoat off, leaving only a few spots to really have to scrape at, which I do with a plastic putty knife or bondo spreader.? ?I only apply it to the outer surface.
2)? I use Mother's Mag and Aluminum Polish -- it is less abrasive than some of the other brands.? I want to preserve the now exposed grooves.? I carefully polish the wheel by only running the rag/polish in the direction of the grooves.? By hand only.? If you go in circles, or use an orbital or rotary power tool, you will wear them down.? It only takes a few passes over most of the freshly stripped wheel to get it to a mirror-like finish, and if you didn't overdo it, you will see the prismatic rainbows here and there in the right light.
3)? For the corroded spots, I use the same Mother's polish, only I press real hard and do whatever it takes to get it to mostly go away.? It is a bit tedious for someone who isn't accustomed to doing things by hand.? But the corrosion will all polish off.? By doing it by hand (with a fingertip, usually), you can pinpoint it and not overdo it, not wear down excessively the surrounding area.
4)? Don't polish the back side or the insides of the slots.? They will be okay.
5)? Even though the Mother's polish leaves behind some kind of sealing wax, I wax the wheels anyway.? ?And when I wash the car, the wheels come clean very easily, and I pat them dry with a towel or paper towels so they don't get water spots.? ?I wax the wheels whenever I wax the car.
Using this method, the wheels look incredible and stay looking nice for 2-4 years depending on usage, and I usually re-polish them very lightly to bring back that original gleam before I do a major show? ?(for regular show or cars & coffee display, they will look acceptable for years).? Each time you polish them, it wears the grooves down a little bit and loses the prismatic refractions, but even after several polishes they at least still have the grooves and look better than the wheels that someone took a power tool to.? If I can find someone whose lathe will put small, fine grooves like they originally had, and who will cut the absolute minimum off of the wheels, then I will have them cut and powder coated.?
Cheers,
Tony K.? ?:)?
On Tuesday, February 15, 2022, 11:13:04 PM EST, palmer.jeff@... <palmer.jeff@...> wrote:
I'd like to have my Wolfrace wheels refinished as the clear coat has yellowed and oxidation has occurred in areas where the clear coat has lifted from the aluminum. I have tentively selected a wheel refinisher, but I'm a bit reluctant to have it done as it will require machining of the surface. Has anyone had their Wolfrace wheels refinished and is there anything to be concerned about? As a note, the wheels are in otherwise perfect condition with not a single nick to any of the rims.
Thanks,
Jeff
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I keep it in the trunk.?
That said my other 4 wheels are beat up and probably need to be polished/refinished.? If I did, I would wax the wheel surfaces afterwards. Not sure there is anything else that can be done to protect them. I suppose these new ceramic coats would work, but don’t have any experience on vintage metal. Rob
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 20:13:03 PST? I'd like to have my Wolfrace wheels refinished as the clear coat has yellowed and oxidation has occurred in areas where the clear coat has lifted from the aluminum. I have tentively selected a wheel refinisher, but I'm a bit reluctant to have it done as it will require machining of the surface. Has anyone had their Wolfrace wheels refinished and is there anything to be concerned about? As a note, the wheels are in otherwise perfect condition with not a single nick to any of the rims.
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 20:42:52 PST? I bought a spare wolfrace which was caught in a fire. The wheel place didn’t comment on any specific issues refinishing the wheel.? <image002.jpg><image003.jpg> | |
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 21:05:01 PST? Rob, your wheel cleaned up nicely. I have the confidence to proceed. By the way, what were you charged?
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 21:07:33 PST? $250 at Wheel Techniques in Santa Clara, CA | |
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Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2022 20:13:03 PST I'd like to have my Wolfrace wheels refinished as the clear coat has yellowed and oxidation has occurred in areas where the clear coat has lifted from the aluminum. I have tentively selected a wheel refinisher, but I'm a bit reluctant to have it done as it will require machining of the surface. Has anyone had their Wolfrace wheels refinished and is there anything to be concerned about? As a note, the wheels are in otherwise perfect condition with not a single nick to any of the rims.
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Re: Refinishing Wolfrace wheels
That is a nice, polished finish that I can do myself with a ton of work, but wanted to match the original machine cut look with its prismatic effect.
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November 2021 I had four wheels polished outside and in at Rapid Rim Repair, New Windsor, NY. ?Did a very nice job. ?Finished off with wax coating both sides. $175/per
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Thanks Rob
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$250 at Wheel Techniques in Santa Clara, CA
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Rob, your wheel cleaned up nicely. I have the confidence to proceed. By the way, what were you charged?
Thanks,
Jeff
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Re: Refinishing Wolfrace wheels
Rob, your wheel cleaned up nicely. I have the confidence to proceed. By the way, what were you charged?
Thanks,
Jeff
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Re: Refinishing Wolfrace wheels
I bought a spare wolfrace which was caught in a fire. The wheel place didn’t comment on any specific issues refinishing the wheel.? Rob
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I'd like to have my Wolfrace wheels refinished as the clear coat has yellowed and oxidation has occurred in areas where the clear coat has lifted from the aluminum. I have tentively selected a wheel refinisher, but I'm a bit reluctant to have it done as it will require machining of the surface. Has anyone had their Wolfrace wheels refinished and is there anything to be concerned about? As a note, the wheels are in otherwise perfect condition with not a single nick to any of the rims.
Thanks,
Jeff
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Refinishing Wolfrace wheels
I'd like to have my Wolfrace wheels refinished as the clear coat has yellowed and oxidation has occurred in areas where the clear coat has lifted from the aluminum. I have tentively selected a wheel refinisher, but I'm a bit reluctant to have it done as it will require machining of the surface. Has anyone had their Wolfrace wheels refinished and is there anything to be concerned about? As a note, the wheels are in otherwise perfect condition with not a single nick to any of the rims.
Thanks,
Jeff
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Re: Head Gasket vs Quench
Appreciate the thoughts, gents. It's a bit of topic drift to focus on CR, my fuss on this primarily concerns the quench characteristics and those would have been central to Lotus' going at the block as described by DC. I've got a NOS HG in hand, so that's an easy option. Pistons are in the picture as well, Kemp offering either his usual 2.2 set at 11.5, or jobbing out to a pal ( as he puts it ) for a set at 10.5. FWIW, my engine Sims specify 96+ octane (R+M) /2 for the build I'm targeting, more like 98+ at 11-1 CR. That's with optimal spark timing, otherwise to be retarded at points in the range if compensating for lesser grade. Further on CR, Sims modeling 11 vs 10.5 generate minimal difference in power outcome, unsurprisingly. Seems wise to opt for the 10.5's, therefore.
So on deck I've got HG, head-block studs, at the forefront, cam and head work looming before long. Been futzing around in emails long enough on this, trying to move it forward.
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Unless you can find some new old stock the old Laminated metal haven’t been available for ages so the new composite is the only option thats available most places. Taken by itself the .020 thicker gasket lowers compression by about half a point. So 10:1 becomes 9.5:1 etc. If your putting a new head gasket on are you doing any machining to the head? Any decking of the head will cut into the .020” gain of the gasket and reduce the compression hit. Basically if the head is decked .010 then the gasket only adds .010.?
When Lotus changed gaskets in the 90’s they didn't do it for the thickness difference, presumably they did it because its a better gasket. They compensated for it by machining the block .020” lower. That’s easy to do in manufacturing, they have to cut it anyway so adjusting for a different gasket is a piece of cake. ?if your super serious you could do the same thing but that means machining the block and re setting all of the liner heights. If your liners are low or if the block deck is rough then thats something to consider but I wouldn’t do I it for the compression unless it was needed for something else. Rather than decking the block the better fix would be higher compression pistons. Again its a lot of expense just for .5 compression but if your doing pistons anyway then add .5 to what you were going to get. ?
The original Goetze gasket as supplied by Lotus was .supposed to be 020” thicker but I think the aftermarket composite that JAE sells ends up being a little thinner. Not the full .020” but a little bit. That’s based on measuring some used JAE gaskets and Used Lotus composite gaskets. I don't remember the actual difference but it was on the order of .005 or something after crushing.? Dave C
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?Hello,
Trying to get ducks in a row for purchase of engine components, I gather the consensus view favours the composite HG over the earlier laminated metal. Has anyone given thought to what the added .020" compressed thickness does to squish/quench characteristics of the chamber? Perhaps pertinently, why did Lotus need HG's of varying laminations with the introduction of the 912?
Steve??
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There’s a related discussion on the forums below, has had some recent updates. May help some. Good luck with the build.
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On Feb 12, 2022, at 14:16, wigl@... wrote:
?Hello,
Trying to get ducks in a row for purchase of engine components, I gather the consensus view favours the composite HG over the earlier laminated metal. Has anyone given thought to what the added .020" compressed thickness does to squish/quench characteristics of the chamber? Perhaps pertinently, why did Lotus need HG's of varying laminations with the introduction of the 912?
Steve??
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Hello,
Trying to get ducks in a row for purchase of engine components, I gather the consensus view favours the composite HG over the earlier laminated metal. Has anyone given thought to what the added .020" compressed thickness does to squish/quench characteristics of the chamber? Perhaps pertinently, why did Lotus need HG's of varying laminations with the introduction of the 912?
Steve??
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Re: [TurboEsprit] SM World
?I don’t know what’s happened to it but I know what you’re probably seeing on Google Maps is the house, his house, and a huge deep lot with a massive workshop that had eight under and up on lifts and then a work area and then like five shipping containers with parts but yes I’m hoping somebody bought it all, I had picked up my overhauled motor and 3 L automatic transmission there in July and so saddened to see him pass on as I fumble my way through the labyrinth of getting the motor and transmission back in my SM, and since my SM was an automatic then that’s why I had to buy the Esprit to get the flavor of the five speed! and I certainly say it belongs in that car not the SM as the GT that it is, Gordon
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On Feb 9, 2022, at 3:10 PM, Steven DuChene via groups.io <tevend@...> wrote:
?That address looks like a suburban home on google maps
On Wednesday, February 9, 2022, 03:59:34 PM EST, Tim Engel <tsengel@...> wrote:
Is anyone familiar with SM World's business status? Jerry Hathaway was a Citroen specialist north of LA (Santa Clara area), and a resource for rebuilding the 1976-88 Esprit's Citroen 5-spd transaxle. I only recently heard that Jerry passed away last September. I've tried to call the business number, but there's no answer.
26950 Furnivall Ave, Canyon Country Ca. 91351
Memorium:
Regards,
Tim Engel
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