Yes a super interesting car but unlike
the J&L tank car, these were seen in many areas--especially
around here in the smaller oil patch towns.? Halliburton was a
'sometimes' client of mine but I never was around those cars.? One
could also view those tanks attached to barges, semi trucks and
off -shore drilling rigs themselves.? So maybe buy some extra
tanks and start drilling baby!
Bob Werre
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That's great Steve...!? Bring one to Harrisburg for me.?
I'm not sure others realize that, while the cars are used a
great deal for oil drilling supplies, they are basically a
covered hopper with the hopper bays oriented vertically rather
than horizontally.
Thanks, looks like a fun build.
Jim
Pre-Size
Model Specialties announces our latest kit.? Along with
Rumbling Rails Engineering we present a kit of the Halliburton
car.? Constructed in the 1960's to carry dry oil drilling
chemicals these cars roamed over all of North America.? Due to
the complexity of this kit and the fact that custom etchings
of roof walks and ladders are included I have to set the price
at $129.? Decals are included, trucks and couplers are not.
Steve Wolcott
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Just to further the Omnicon drive & models just a bit!? In one of the S Manfactures' Coop Ads (one of the short lived general RR magazines ??), I photographed three painted A&B sets.? Memory says it was a C&NW, Milwaukee Road (later scheme) with the third slipping out of my memory.? I can only wonder how many were sold as it was nearing the end of Omnicon--Charlie had passed so things were happening +-!
About that time the RR SD7/9 was the new kid on the block--took a long time to wrangle one, financially.? The same thing happened when the Greenbriar GP30's and the River Raisin FT's pulled into the station--at about the same time.? Lots of good stuff there--and that power-short Great Plains Terminal RR just had to have some!
Bob Werre
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Whoa is there some strange history there...? Thanks for clarifying the Omnicon F units Bob.
Most folks either don't remember or know that River Raisin was a partnership between Dan Navarre and myself from inception in 1987, until I left the partnership at the end of 2007.? By then I was a corporate nomad, living 3 states away so maintaining things was too complicated.? I still number Dan Navarre as one of my absolute best friends, in or out of model railroading.
OMI did the F3 and F7 models, we may have sold some but had nothing to do with the project.? In 1991 we made the FT sets and they had the new or (I prefer) updated drive.? We also made a short run, 50 pieces, of F3/F7 'B' units because people wanted more 'B' units!? At the same time we made 100 redrive kits so existing F3/F7 units would run quieter and match speeds with the FT's.? Everything was delivered in December 1991.? I think Dan posted an all time list of River Raisin projects, versions and dates, on the NASG website when he closed the business.? Somehow everyone loves the website but most people don't go there first for their information!
Model on...
Jim Kindraka
Grand Rapids, MI
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Re: Today¡¯s S Scale project
Mike,?
Once again thank you for sharing with us your knowledge and experiences.?
I especially appreciated the explanation of the preparation of the drivers for painting.
Mike (Ohio)
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Re: Today¡¯s S Scale project
With the positive feed back I will continue to take the time to post the progress of the build along with build tips. Let me touch on a few things I left off the last couple of post.?
The drivers are brass centers and steel tires. So when painting they are treated like brass in preparation. Then lightly sanded with six hundred grit on the side walls of the tires to hold the paint. Helping to keep it from chipping at the edge while in use. I feel the steel tires really give the loco traction so I always clean the tread with a red ScotchBrite after painting or wheel cleaning on the layout.?
If you have spent the time polishing the axle to frame surfaces along with the crank pin sleeves to side rods you definitely don't want to paint those surfaces. Also when removing the drivers place the crank pin screw back into the same location never mixing them up. Simply because they are now worn into that hole in the side rod. Mask off those crank pins along with the tires and axles of the drivers.?
The oil cups on the side rods are on top and bottom making them universal to either side when building the loco. Once a set of side rods are on and broken in file off those oil cups from the bottom of the side rod. No, there is really no esthetic reason unless you know that there should not be any on the bottom and seeing them would drive you crazy. But most importantly you will always know what side they came off of in the future when tearing down for any kind of maintenance. This also keeps those crank pin screws in the same side rod holes.?
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Mike Swederska
Meramec Valley Lines
Modeling Mopac equipment in 3/16
Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough! Keep model railroading fun!
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I've got an instruction sheet for the Omnicon F unit drive, and that drive is very similar to the one they developed for their resin cast Baldwin Shark shells.
Jim, did the additional B units RRM did have the new drive?? Presuming they were also built by Ajin, were the shells identical to those produced for Overland?
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Whoa is there some strange history there...? Thanks for clarifying the Omnicon F units Bob.?
Most folks either don't remember or know that River Raisin was a partnership between Dan Navarre and myself from inception in 1987, until I left the partnership at the end of 2007.? By then I was a corporate nomad, living 3 states away so maintaining things
was too complicated.? I still number Dan Navarre as one of my absolute best friends, in or out of model railroading.
OMI did the F3 and F7 models, we may have sold some but had nothing to do with the project.? In 1991 we made the FT sets and they had the new or (I prefer) updated drive.? We also made a short run, 50 pieces, of F3/F7 'B' units because people wanted more
'B' units!? At the same time we made 100 redrive kits so existing F3/F7 units would run quieter and match speeds with the FT's.? Everything was delivered in December 1991.? I think Dan posted an all time list of River Raisin projects, versions and dates, on
the NASG website when he closed the business.? Somehow everyone loves the website but most people don't go there first for their information!?
Model on...
Jim Kindraka
Grand Rapids, MI
Bill
Omnicon did indeed put together a drive for F units.? Actually it had NWSL mechanicals and the revamped Enhorning/Wabash Shell.? Dick Karnes did a review of it in the Dispatch.? I owned one for a couple of years but the AM drive won out overall.? Omnicon
did offer several painted versions,but there weren't any additional details added sort of making the paint job semi useless.
I also was an owner of a Overland F unit which I bought at the New Brunswick Convention from a very short lived company.? It was noisey so Bill Winans cure might have cured the problem without buying an entirely new chassis.? I finally went for the RR
drive and things are smooh.
Bob Werre
Jace:? NASG Dispatch Magazine? 2016 #1 authored by Andy Mallette. Listed as an F7 by Omnicon which is NOT correct in a search for this article on the NASG website.? As far as I know Omnicon NEVER made an F7 just Overland right at the
same time RRM was entering the fold. I think Dan Navarre finished that project from Tom Marsh for us all in S Scale. Dan I know through RRM released the? ? Re-drive kits to cure the issues but they also shared the driveshaft length issue in the gear boxes
as I recall. It has been a while sorry for my cobwebs and Thanks to Colin for his reminder that that article appeared in the NASG Dispatch or Despatch magazine. Spelling D X spatch depended on who the editor was at the time.
I'll see if I can find that issue - I had it at one time when I rebuilt mine. Andy's advice was about spot on. I just found it easier to use a Teflon plastic transistor insulator the correct diameter instead of having to cut out the circular plastic washers
in plastic as Andy describes.
Bill Morris
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This will be my first NASG Convention, as well. We're driving from Flagstaff, AZ to Harrisburg, via Raleigh NC. That's about 2500 miles. Of course, we're making an adventure of it, stopping to visit friends and family along the way. After the convention, we're heading up to Maine to visit our son, then down the east coast to Florida, with more visiting stops along the way, then back to AZ along the southern I-10 route - also more visiting. In all, about 5 to 6 weeks and I don't even want to calculate how many miles. So for us, it's more than just attending a convention. But that was the original motivation for the trip. Besides our friends and family, I'm looking forward to meeting many of you in person, especially those I've been working with on Dispatch article submissions.
Our adventure begins Sunday morning!
Phil Scandura
Flagstaff, AZ
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Ted L:
Make and model number?
Thanks, Ted Z
I have a vac that uses my power tools batteries, and it has a small nozzle?attachment, very powerful? Sent from my Tardis
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GN in 1965
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Although I really stretch the limit in justifying some of the rolling stock I've bought applying to my concept, this is a bridge too far for me.
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That's great Steve...!? Bring one to Harrisburg for me.? I'm not sure others realize that, while the cars are used a great deal for oil drilling supplies, they are basically a covered hopper with the hopper bays oriented vertically rather than horizontally.
Thanks, looks like a fun build.
Jim
Pre-Size Model Specialties announces our latest kit.? Along with Rumbling Rails Engineering we present a kit of the Halliburton car.? Constructed in the 1960's to carry dry oil drilling chemicals these cars roamed over all of North America.? Due to the complexity
of this kit and the fact that custom etchings of roof walks and ladders are included I have to set the price at $129.? Decals are included, trucks and couplers are not.
Steve Wolcott
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Guys ... at best I could be there on Thursday for a few hours. Not likely I'll make new friends, can't stay overnight, fri - sun just ain't happening. So for me it's admission plus gas (I eat everyday so that's not an extra expense).
?I do have to be at work Friday morning. So it's looking like it may be too much for justb1 day. If there were crazy deala on scale equipment likely to be had, then I just might venture out there. It seems I may have to pass this show up. Thanks for all the input though.
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I'm looking forward to my first NASG Convention...and as a new S Gauger I'm coming with a lot of questions !? It's a 7 hour drive for me.? But isn't that what retirement is all about?
On Thu, Jul 4, 2024, 9:22 PM Jim & Cheryl Martin via <themartins= [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Ed. I get what you're saying and my use of the word "pessimistic" doesn't imply inaccuracy. Most of us don't think like CPAs or tax accountants when we're behind the wheel. If we did we'd never take pleasure drives. A 340 mile round trip is a miniscule amount in the overall life of an automobile and calculating all the diverse costs per mile as a way of evaluating the worth of a trip gets us where?? For Chris, the upfront cost is just the gas and it's not a lot when weighed against the benefits of attending the Harrisburg convention.
Take the drive Chris. have a good time.
Cheers Jim Martin.
On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 01:28 PM, Jim & Cheryl Martin wrote:
Gasoline costs in Penn are less than four bucks a gallon.? If your vehicle gets between 25.30 mpg, total fuel costs should not be more than 50 - 60 bucks.
Jim.........With all due respect, gasoline is not the only cost of driving a car.? Ask the IRS.? Things like tires, brakes, oil changes, etc. all wear out due to driving around.? ?The less obvious items like depreciation, insurance, appearance, etc. are all related to driven miles as well.? The IRS has added it all up for us.? A small econo-car will be a bit less.? A monster truck-like vehicle can be a lot more.? Worth thinking about.? Cheers........Ed L.
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Los Altos, CA
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Hi Ed. I get what you're saying and my use of the word "pessimistic" doesn't imply inaccuracy. Most of us don't think like CPAs or tax accountants when we're behind the wheel. If we did we'd never take pleasure drives. A 340 mile round trip is a miniscule amount in the overall life of an automobile and calculating all the diverse costs per mile as a way of evaluating the worth of a trip gets us where?? For Chris, the upfront cost is just the gas and it's not a lot when weighed against the benefits of attending the Harrisburg convention.
Take the drive Chris. have a good time.
Cheers Jim Martin.
On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 01:28 PM, Jim & Cheryl Martin wrote:
Gasoline costs in Penn are less than four bucks a gallon.? If your vehicle gets between 25.30 mpg, total fuel costs should not be more than 50 - 60 bucks.
Jim.........With all due respect, gasoline is not the only cost of driving a car.? Ask the IRS.? Things like tires, brakes, oil changes, etc. all wear out due to driving around.? ?The less obvious items like depreciation, insurance, appearance, etc. are all related to driven miles as well.? The IRS has added it all up for us.? A small econo-car will be a bit less.? A monster truck-like vehicle can be a lot more.? Worth thinking about.? Cheers........Ed L.
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Los Altos, CA
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Bob: OK that is fine and well and Omnicon may have made an F unit drive for the F shells from Enhorning and Wabash Valley BUT my point was that the article for rebuilding and improving the original OMI drives in the OMI brass shell models was the article I was speaking of and also I believe what Jace was looking for. I have 3D printed F unit frames including correct fuel and battery box for F2 conversions for the Enhorning / Wabash Valley F3 shells from files that were done for Tom Lennon b y Doug Miller before he passed on. They use AM FP7 drive components ( gear towers and motors and I use new HobbyTown?U? joints and brass driveshafts? to power them along with new bulkhead ends 3D printed by another modeler and side screen very detailed inserts made by another 3D liquid bath printer that has done a lot of S Scale work for me now. I am in the process of finishing up my first F2 unit. The B&M had 16 F2's to MU with their FT sets.
Bill Morris
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Whoa is there some strange history there...? Thanks for clarifying the Omnicon F units Bob.?
Most folks either don't remember or know that River Raisin was a partnership between Dan Navarre and myself from inception in 1987, until I left the partnership at the end of 2007.? By then I was a corporate nomad, living 3 states away so maintaining things was too complicated.? I still number Dan Navarre as one of my absolute best friends, in or out of model railroading.
OMI did the F3 and F7 models, we may have sold some but had nothing to do with the project.? In 1991 we made the FT sets and they had the new or (I prefer) updated drive.? We also made a short run, 50 pieces, of F3/F7 'B' units because people wanted more 'B' units!? At the same time we made 100 redrive kits so existing F3/F7 units would run quieter and match speeds with the FT's.? Everything was delivered in December 1991.? I think Dan posted an all time list of River Raisin projects, versions and dates, on the NASG website when he closed the business.? Somehow everyone loves the website but most people don't go there first for their information!?
Model on... Jim Kindraka Grand Rapids, MI
Bill
Omnicon did indeed put together a drive
for F units.? Actually it had NWSL mechanicals and the revamped
Enhorning/Wabash Shell.? Dick Karnes did a review of it in the
Dispatch.? I owned one for a couple of years but the AM drive won
out overall.? Omnicon did offer several painted versions,but there
weren't any additional details added sort of making the paint job
semi useless.
I also was an owner of a Overland F
unit which I bought at the New Brunswick Convention from a very
short lived company.? It was noisey so Bill Winans cure might have
cured the problem without buying an entirely new chassis.? I
finally went for the RR drive and things are smooh.
Bob Werre
Jace:? NASG Dispatch Magazine? 2016 #1 authored by Andy Mallette.
Listed as an F7 by Omnicon which is NOT correct in a search for
this article on the NASG website.? As far as I know Omnicon NEVER
made an F7 just Overland right at the same time RRM was entering
the fold. I think Dan Navarre finished that project from Tom Marsh
for us all in S Scale. Dan I know through RRM released the? ?
Re-drive kits to cure the issues but they also shared the
driveshaft length issue in the gear boxes as I recall. It has been
a while sorry for my cobwebs and Thanks to Colin for his reminder
that that article appeared in the NASG Dispatch or Despatch
magazine. Spelling D X spatch depended on who the editor was at
the time.
I'll see if I can find that issue - I had it at one time when I
rebuilt mine. Andy's advice was about spot on. I just found it
easier to use a Teflon plastic transistor insulator the correct
diameter instead of having to cut out the circular plastic washers
in plastic as Andy describes.
Bill Morris
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Bill
Omnicon did indeed put together a drive
for F units.? Actually it had NWSL mechanicals and the revamped
Enhorning/Wabash Shell.? Dick Karnes did a review of it in the
Dispatch.? I owned one for a couple of years but the AM drive won
out overall.? Omnicon did offer several painted versions,but there
weren't any additional details added sort of making the paint job
semi useless.
I also was an owner of a Overland F
unit which I bought at the New Brunswick Convention from a very
short lived company.? It was noisey so Bill Winans cure might have
cured the problem without buying an entirely new chassis.? I
finally went for the RR drive and things are smooh.
Bob Werre
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Jace:? NASG Dispatch Magazine? 2016 #1 authored by Andy Mallette.
Listed as an F7 by Omnicon which is NOT correct in a search for
this article on the NASG website.? As far as I know Omnicon NEVER
made an F7 just Overland right at the same time RRM was entering
the fold. I think Dan Navarre finished that project from Tom Marsh
for us all in S Scale. Dan I know through RRM released the? ?
Re-drive kits to cure the issues but they also shared the
driveshaft length issue in the gear boxes as I recall. It has been
a while sorry for my cobwebs and Thanks to Colin for his reminder
that that article appeared in the NASG Dispatch or Despatch
magazine. Spelling D X spatch depended on who the editor was at
the time.
I'll see if I can find that issue - I had it at one time when I
rebuilt mine. Andy's advice was about spot on. I just found it
easier to use a Teflon plastic transistor insulator the correct
diameter instead of having to cut out the circular plastic washers
in plastic as Andy describes.
Bill Morris
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Jace:? NASG Dispatch Magazine? 2016 #1 authored by Andy Mallette. Listed as an F7 by Omnicon repair which is NOT correct in a search for this article on the NASG website.? As far as I know Omnicon NEVER made an F7 just Overland right at the same time RRM was entering the fold. I think Dan Navarre finished that project from Tom Marsh for us all in S Scale. Dan I know through RRM released the? Re-drive kits to cure the issues but they also shared the driveshaft length issue in the gear boxes as I recall. It has been a while sorry for my cobwebs and Thanks to Colin for his reminder that that article appeared in the NASG Dispatch or Despatch magazine. Spelling D X spatch depended on who the editor was at the time. I'll see if I can find that issue - I had it at one time when I rebuilt mine. Andy's advice was about spot on. I just found it easier to use a Teflon plastic transistor insulator the correct diameter instead of having to cut out the circular plastic washers in plastic as Andy describes. JACE: UPDATE: I just looked and found the article by Andy Mallette in the NASG Dispatch Mag 2016 #1. If you need me to I can send you a copy. Maybe Bill Winans can recall the article he wrote about the gearboxes for you ! BeSt RegardS Bill Morris NEPrototypes - ALL OF MY S SCALE DECAL SETS are again in stock; email me a PM for list with prices. I am not attending 2024 NASG? in Harrisburg this year due to health issues. PO Box 4-4-2 Rutland. MA 01543-0442 USA email: billmorris52@...? ?
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That's great Steve...!? Bring one to Harrisburg for me.? I'm not sure others realize that, while the cars are used a great deal for oil drilling supplies, they are basically a covered hopper with the hopper bays oriented vertically rather than horizontally.
Thanks, looks like a fun build. Jim
Pre-Size Model Specialties announces our latest kit.? Along with Rumbling Rails Engineering we present a kit of the Halliburton car.? Constructed in the 1960's to carry dry oil drilling chemicals these cars roamed over all of North America.? Due to the complexity of this kit and the fact that custom etchings of roof walks and ladders are included I have to set the price at $129.? Decals are included, trucks and couplers are not.
Steve Wolcott
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Re: EMD FT in Demo Paint Colors.....
Hi Ed, Would you consider $325 for the EMD FT locos?
Thanks, Mike Andrzejewski
On Thursday, July 4, 2024 at 05:31:34 PM EDT, Ed Loizeaux <loizeaux@...> wrote:
Gents.........
Here is another former bare brass beauty which has been cosmetically improved with the addition of paint, custom decals, crew, decoder (silent), head light, couplers, etc.? Mechanically, it has the upgraded RRM drive (thanks again, Jim & Dan) which, in my opinion, is well worth it.? Demo diesels ran all over the place strutting their stuff and attempting to win orders.? It probably ran on your prototype.
More photos upon request for serious inquiries.? ?
As usual, make your best reasonable offer and see if it makes me happy.? If so, the box will be on its way quickly,
Email preferred.? Phone works.? ? Loizeaux //? aht // SBC // Global? ?daht? // net? ? ? ?1-650-962-1577
Thanks.......Ed L.
-- Ed Loizeaux Los Altos, CA
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Pre-Size Model Specialties announces our latest kit.? Along with Rumbling Rails Engineering we present a kit of the Halliburton car.? Constructed in the 1960's to carry dry oil drilling chemicals these cars roamed over all of North America.? Due to the complexity of this kit and the fact that custom etchings of roof walks and ladders are included I have to set the price at $129.? Decals are included, trucks and couplers are not. Steve Wolcott   
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Bob Werre
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Bill Lane