Re: differences between scale and hi-rail
I cannot stress this enough,? ?no matter what era die cast you seek check out 3000toys.com regularly.
Andrew Parker
Scale Trains.com, Inc. that has taken over the SHS line that MTH took over from them, also provides scale trucks and couplers in their cartons. Their cartons proudly display the name ¡°S-Helper Service¡±! A nice little touch is that inside each shipping carton there are a couple of candy mints!! ? ScaleTrains.com is really big in HO and N ¨C you should check out their website. Their initial freight cars and now wide vision cabooses are nice models. Hopefully, they will eventually expand their line in S ¨C and maybe even offer a locomotive or two? That may take a while. ? Also Hans, as far as 1/64 model cars from the 50¡¯s and 60¡¯s, be sure to check out ¡°M2 Machines.¡±? Over the years I must have bought at least 100 of these models as I found them available. You¡¯re right that many offerings that can be found now are more modern and/or muscle cars. You may need to take a look on eBay. Also go to ? . Diecast Direct seems to offer quite a few M2 cars, as well. ? Roger Schneider Pittsburgh S-Gaugers Member Murrysville, PA ?
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Hans von Draminski via groups.io
Sent: Saturday, July 6, 2024 5:43 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [S-Scale] differences between scale and hi-rail ? SHS cars (there are many of them out there mint in box) come with additional scale wheels in a little bag that also contains truck plates. Those replace the ones that are part of the AF couplers. Without those distance pieces the car will ride too low above the tracks. Kadee couplers you have to buy seperately but you find sockets with pre-drilled holes at the bottom of the cars.?
Older AM cars are a bit different. The socket fits the elder standard for Kadee #5 (just one screwhole). If you use Kadee #802/808 you will have to drill additional holes. Having never bought AM freight cars new I cannot tell if they come with scale wheels. The ones I bought used had scale wheels on them. Interesting detail: The distance plates and the trucks look exactly the same on SHS and AM.
A few of my used cars have hirail wheels. I shall buy NWSL wheelsets for them but as long as my only trackwork is S-Trax I'm in no hurry at all.
Addendum: Not long ago I ordered a set of sergent couplers and shall report about their functionality when they arrive from China. To convert the whole fleet would be still doable but expensive yet. So I will experiment a bit...
Kind regards from Middle Franconia, Hans
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Try using Trucolor. It works for me.
Paul Vaughn?
On Mon, Jul 8, 2024, 3:38 PM Chris Fauxturkey via <skogkatt007= [email protected]> wrote: what do you use? I have A LOT of acrylic paint. Upwards or more then 2k$ worth. Mostly high end artist acrylic. But also a good helping of cheap craft paint, Army Painter, Vallejo model color.
Golden heavy body, fluid acrylics, high flow, SoFlat. Liquitex heavy body, basics. Windsor Newton. You name it. In other words more then I'll likely ever use. Don't ask why.
So I guess my question is what does it take to make a good paint for our purposes. Sometimes you want to paint wood, plastic, or metal too look like something else. For instance a brass sided car to look like wood. Or what have you.
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what do you use? I have A LOT of acrylic paint. Upwards or more then 2k$ worth. Mostly high end artist acrylic. But also a good helping of cheap craft paint, Army Painter, Vallejo model color.
Golden heavy body, fluid acrylics, high flow, SoFlat. Liquitex heavy body, basics. Windsor Newton. You name it. In other words more then I'll likely ever use. Don't ask why.
So I guess my question is what does it take to make a good paint for our purposes. Sometimes you want to paint wood, plastic, or metal too look like something else. For instance a brass sided car to look like wood. Or what have you.
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Re: Today¡¯s S Scale project
Tender frame is ready fore black.
Mike Swederska
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On Jun 22, 2024, at 10:37?AM, Mike Swederska via groups.io <MikeSscale@...> wrote:
?Over the many 20 to 30 years of modeling an S Scale I have always been on the lookout to buy SSL&S Parts. I like to buy kits that some guys have started and failed on are from the estates that somebody is selling. Back around 2011 or 12 I bought, a parts box of all kinds of detail parts. Once I opened it up, I found that a lot of it was for a consolidation with 56 inch drivers so I just kind of put it all back in the box and the other day I decided to go through this box itemize the detail parts and put them in my inventory for future used.
Upon doing so I decided to start building the consolidation since I had a set of drivers and side rods and the frame to start from. So scrounging through my inventory. I started to build it and you can see by the picture I have an assortment of parts laid out. I¡¯m at the valve gear step and I just happen to be a Walsherts valve guy and not so much a baker valve Gear guy.
After talking to a buddy of mine about the different valve gears, and then he brings up the needle bearing issue and the maintenance that the prototype didn¡¯t have to deal with on Baker valve gear using needle bearings. He really pushed me in the Baker direction.
Although the Walsherts valve gear was designed to be on the outside of the locomotive compared to the Stevenson and other valve gear systems allowing the engineer to lubricate everything consistently during operation. The. Walsherts valve gear actually performed very well with low maintenance . But after talking with him and reading his dissertation on Baker and needle bearings I¡¯ve decided maybe to try my hand at a baker valve system on this consolidation.
I¡¯m building it for the Meramec Valley lines so I¡¯m referring to this model as a mutt because it¡¯s going to be made up of all the parts that I¡¯ve collected over the years.
Upon going through some of my parts that I got from Rusty¡®s estate I found a full set of Baker valve gear that looks to me like it came off of an 0-8-0 Overland or consolidation. I am likely to use that , if not, I¡¯m gonna go with the Walsherts valve gear. I can darn put one of those together in my sleep.
I should say that all the parts in this picture are out of my inventory of parts including those cylinders.
So with all this said, let me know if you want me to post progress pictures.
Mike Swederska
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Mike Swederska
Meramec Valley Lines
Modeling Mopac equipment in 3/16
Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough! Keep model railroading fun!
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Mike Swederska
Meramec Valley Lines
Modeling Mopac equipment in 3/16
Don't let perfection get in the way of good enough! Keep model railroading fun!
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How many can be cast until the mold is worn out?
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These are 2 projects I am working on. I am more actively working on the N&W GP35 ?
? Some progress here:
? These are the first A M GP35 I have ¡°built¡±. I am doing a small upgrade on the N&W but the Reading is more involved. Because I like the look and I point my speakers up through openings in the roof I wanted open brass fans. I found 6 that were robbed from Overland GP38-2 they fit perfectly. But there is not an endless supply of them so¡. ? I first proposed this on my S Facebook group about copy casting the fans. The copy casting makes them 4% smaller which you cannot really see the difference. ? I have to order some parts for the N&W and the Reading GP35 that is getting the other set of Overland brass fans. I don't have a set time period in mind but once I dive in the Reading unit and glue the fans in that is it. Game over. ? I have talked and emailed my brass caster recently. I have not heard a firm yes yet but not a no either. With the American Models GP35 fan spacing it is actually a good thing the brass castings will be very slightly smaller. I am guessing you have about a month to get me the mold $$ if I am copy casting the fans. ? A mold is about $100.00. I am not paying that. If you want some of these fans the mold has to be paid for. After the mold is made you can buy as many as you want directly ¨C no profit on my part. If someome wants to wrangle the commitments until you get $100 that would be great. ? And again these are 40 year old Overland castings never offered as loose parts. They were robbed from actually 2 GP38-2. I don¡¯t have a issue with copy casting. If this happens that is fine if it does not I am fine with that too. ? ? Thank You,
Bill Lane
Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987
See my finished models at:
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Re: Super Scale Observation Car for Sale
Forgot to describe the car¡¯s construction¡
Copper sides and ends, brass floor, pewter details, wood roof, Nimco trucks. Sides and ends manufactured by electrodepositing copper into three-dimensional female molds, then coating backsides with solder. ¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª¡ª
On Sunday, July 7, 2024 at 11:59:29 AM PDT, Dick Karnes, MMR via groups.io <rnk2202@...> wrote:
I have just completed (actually, rebuilt) a the subject heavyweight passenger car that's been sitting around (and occasionally running) on my former layout.? See pix below.? It has scale wheelsets gauged to the current NASG/NMRA standard and Kadee-compatible couplers front and rear.? You can have it for $200 including postage.
Prototype plan is in Kalmbach's 1938 Cyclopedia.
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-- Dick Karnes, MMR
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@Gaylord Gill Thank you for your friendly answer. I know the term "soccer" but see that the world organisation FIFA is trying to establish the term "Football" also in countries where the term is occupied with another game... In the last two days I bought some Greenlight, M2 and Racing Champions cars. What was (and is) irritating: Getting models of vintage prototypes is, in 1/64, not half as easy as it is in 1/43. In the past decades I've collected some real gems in 1/43, even some ultra rare resin models of uncommon prototypes. In 1/64 the portfolio is thinner.
And as it was quoted here correctly: In Germany there are no WalMarts or similar stores where you can buy little cars in shiny blister packs. We have some dealers in "toy town" Nuremberg, but most of them only have 1 /18, 1/43 and 1/87. No 1/64 (except very toy like Hot Wheels), no 1/50. Did I mention that trucks in 1/50 fit better with American O scale than those in 1/43? Mailorder is the only way.
Now I need some sleep. Good night to all, Hans
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Re: differences between scale and hi-rail
On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 01:51 PM, JGG KahnSr wrote:
I'll need to check among all my rolling stock, but I am pretty sure (barring an aging memory) that I own some AM trucks in black.
Black sprung trucks were used on the 2011 S Fest and 2011 S Spree Piggy back cars, so they've been available for over a decade.? Rich G(ajnak)
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On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 02:15 PM, Hans von Draminski wrote:
Hadn't the guys over at 3rd rail plans to do an early "E-Type" in S?
3rd Rail has made several unsuccessful (Pioneer Zephyr, SP Pacifics, Streamline passenger cars) attempts to attract the S market.? The big problem is 3rd rail thought the S market is like the 3-rail O market and word of mouth advertising would suffice.? They made no attempt to join any S forum or otherwise engage with S Scalers or HiRailers. Rich G(ajnak)
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@Michael Lytle Maximum bad news. In the last years I ordered some remarkable spare parts via Shapeways, f.e. distance shims to adjust the coupler height when converting O scale three rail cars to 2rail scale. In S scale there were also a few parts and kits I had on my bucket list. Could you get me the link for the article about the bankruptcy, please?
On the other hand: If I get the file there are some providers in Germany to print those parts - even in the kind of plastic I wish.
Greetings, Hans
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Re: differences between scale and hi-rail
Talking about MTH electronics, mine work flawlessly in my F3. DCC mode with a Roco lokmouse that has enough power for S although designed for HO. My bigger problem with my F3 is a centering rod for the leading truck that seems to be too small/thin. What results in a loco not standing on the tracks in the correct angle. Meanwhile night has come here in Germany. Tomorrow I shall put the MTH machine out of the box and take a photo to show the problem. My AM E9 is standing straight. And reminds me of the lack of an affordable "Slantnose" (E0 - E3) in S. Hadn't the guys over at 3rd rail plans to do an early "E-Type" in S?
Nighttime greetings, Hans
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Earl, and all,
You can find photo's of my "old" layout in the NASG layout out section:
I can currently expanding my layout, and things are "in progress,? under construction" as they say
The picture of the "GP7"s" in on a section of the layout I did not take up or rearrange .
Thank you for your interest, and asking.
Regards,
Hugh?
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Re: differences between scale and hi-rail
I'll need to check among all my rolling stock, but I am pretty sure (barring an aging memory) that I own some AM trucks in black.
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> . . . I seem to have a very few AM sprung Bettendorf trucks in black, but almost always they come only in brown.
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> Also, for some time the wheels have been sintered iron; I believe the earlier trucks had turned brass wheels.
Jace, I think your trucks were painted black by a previous owner. Plus, the turned brass wheels are replacements.
When I began buying American Models boxcar kits in the mid-80s the trucks were brown and had sintered iron wheelsets. I was glad for the brown color, since that is what I saw on prototype trucks. Plus, I have gradually replaced the wheelsets with NWSL nickel-silver
wheelsets.
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Re: differences between scale and hi-rail
Ok I'm going to be a stickler. Bad habits kicking in ;)
Bill, what you saw were rust colored trucks. That brown is pretty close though ;)
Heck I grew up with all trucks being black. Virtually all Athearn. HO and O. And were the best rolling trucks out there.
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Re: differences between scale and hi-rail
From: JGG KahnSr
Date: Sun, 07 Jul 2024 09:02:16 PDT
. . . I seem to have a very few AM sprung Bettendorf trucks in black, but almost always they come only in brown.
Also, for some time the wheels have been sintered iron; I believe the earlier trucks had turned brass wheels. Jace, I think your trucks were painted black by a previous owner. Plus, the turned brass wheels are replacements. When I began buying American Models boxcar kits in the mid-80s the trucks were brown and had sintered iron wheelsets. I was glad for the brown color, since that is what I saw on prototype trucks. Plus, I have gradually replaced the wheelsets with NWSL nickel-silver wheelsets. -- Bill Roberts
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Re: differences between scale and hi-rail
I have aspirations to do lite manufacturing (you name the scale). But my 57 years may have me a lot more tired then most. But I already have so many irons in different scales my S scale equipment will largely be made by me. When I get around to it.
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Re: Super Scale Observation Car for Sale
As always, just beautiful job! If I was further along on my train room, I¡¯d jump on this! Stephen J Kutash
203 906-5116 (Cell)
On Sun, Jul 7, 2024 at 2:59?PM Dick Karnes, MMR via <rnk2202= [email protected]> wrote: I have just completed (actually, rebuilt) a the subject heavyweight passenger car that's been sitting around (and occasionally running) on my former layout.? See pix below.? It has scale wheelsets gauged to the current NASG/NMRA standard and Kadee-compatible couplers front and rear.? You can have it for $200 including postage.
Prototype plan is in Kalmbach's 1938 Cyclopedia.
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Dick Karnes, MMR
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Super Scale Observation Car for Sale
I have just completed (actually, rebuilt) a the subject heavyweight passenger car that's been sitting around (and occasionally running) on my former layout.? See pix below.? It has scale wheelsets gauged to the current NASG/NMRA standard and Kadee-compatible couplers front and rear.? You can have it for $200 including postage.
Prototype plan is in Kalmbach's 1938 Cyclopedia.
-- Dick Karnes, MMR
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Re: differences between scale and hi-rail
We get some odd ducks in our hobby; I just try not to be too much of one, myself.
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I don't know him. But was told he and John Harmon (recently deceased) had a showdown at I think a Timonium, MD show. I now recall who told me the story, George Johnstone. Turns out JH claimed MW stole his idea, and released a product based on it. Well
JH went on a rant, called him a pirating b**t**d. And loudly. Things settled down though and MW was able to pacify him with some cars. Something like that.
?If no one knows who I'm talking about (other then MW), maybe it's for the better LOL.
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Bill Lane
Dick Karnes, MMR
