Well, you can never say never, but I've never seen any.
I suggest fabricating your own by edge gluing flat plastic or wood strips at the angle you want.? You can even file or sand an edge to have an angle for a better fitting joint.
For wood, if you have one of those little hobby table says, you could cut strips with an angle on one edge for gluing.? (22.5 degree edges will make 45 degrees when joined.)
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
On Sunday, February 2, 2025 at 03:10:06 PM PST, Frank Williams via groups.io <frankwilliams66@...> wrote:
Is 45 degree angle stock available, either in wood or plastic?
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Yorktown, IN
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Re: Posting Only On Facebook
I get a lot of enjoyment out of the various Facebook groups, especially Bill's fine scale group.
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If you can join FB and not get a bunch of other friends, but stick to your interests, you might be okay.
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Hans ? You must have missed my multiple mentions that Tomalco is now owned by Micro Engineering. Further my post today indirectly mentioned Tomalco and hoping to have new code 100 track available for the NASG convention. This 1 of the brighter news bits of the past month. ? Thank You,
Bill Lane
Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987
See my finished models at:
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! ? See my layout progress at:
Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join!??
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
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Is 45 degree angle stock available, either in wood or plastic?
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Frank Williams
Yorktown, IN
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Re: Any future S efforts....
Rusty, if we could Lionel persuade to resurrect the "modern" rolling stock in scale versions we would surely benefit from that and they could have a return of invest for their efforts in the years between 2010 and 2015. Perhaps even that ominous plug door reefer could resurface. But those are feverish visions, not even dreams.
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Greetings out of an icy night, Hans
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We've Been Overthinking This
All we have to do is convince Sir Rod or Neil Young to convert to S scale. They have entire bank vaults of moolah, enough to fund all kinds of new rolling stock. I don't know why we didn't think of this before!
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Brian Jackson
Springfield, IL
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Re: Any future S efforts....
Well spoke, Bill.
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However, I'm not sure the current demise of Flyer will be of much benefit to increase the visibility or interest of S Scale.? There's that annoying 75+ year history of Gilbert and Lionel Flyer in S that won't go away.? There's a lot of Flyer circulating on the secondary market and the past does have a tendency to come up and bite one in the hind quarters when one's not looking.?
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And you never know, Lionel could decide to resurrect Flyer at a future date.
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Re: Any future S efforts....
Bill, I'm with you in regarding that TRACK and RTR stuff are the most important factors to keep S alive. Not even our wealthy oldtimers have enough NOS of trackwork to build new layouts (scale). Talking about rolling stock and traction power: I was born in 1966 and grew up with the Deutsche Bundesbahn in Germany. My godfather was the German chief dispatch at a big frontier station between Germany and Austria near Salzburg. So it had to be model trains (M?rklin), no car racing track, when I was six. And no, I didn't stick with the toy trains M?rklin made in those years. On my first layout I was running also Roco and Fleischmann. They produced beautiful passenger cars, starting with "shorties" in 1/100 (lenghwise), later releasing scale long cars that had about 30 centimetres in HO. Hyper detailed models came out, stlii affordable? (what changed over the years).
And then came the day when I fell in love - with a HUGE piece of metal and plastic: a prussian steam loco in One gauge. And as it had been 30 years ago, it was made by M?rklin...
From One gauge I came to O with a little detour over On30. From narrow gauge back to O standard gauge and then to O 2rail with US prototypes. The guy who got me George Walker Bush's Train Force One SD70Ace by MTH put some railroad magazines in the package - one of them was an S Gaugian printed 1998... This reminded me to a visit with my Mom in Nuremberg 's Toy Museum where we have the biggest S scale US-layout outside the States.What remains, is history. Now I'm in S and want to stay there. But where are the Diesels I have in O? Where are the affordable steam locos? And where is track I can buy for a normal price? With Lionel out of business and Tomalco saying goodbye there are not many options left. A few years ago I was still able to buy sectional track by SHS/MTH (what was better made than Lionel's fasttrack) with reasonable radii. But what you find now are mere leftovers. The scale situation is even worse.
My conclusion: If I were to enter S now it would be love labour's lost. No chance to get the locos and the cars I want. And not even track to run them. No one can see the future but there is one thing for sure: The years that lay ahead will become tough and Lionel will not be the last loss on the way...
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Ice cold Greetings from a cold February in Middle Franconia, Hans
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Re: aerial photos for modeling purposes
Here is another aerial photo source somebody on the ESPEE group mentioned the other day.? It defaults to California but also has images in other states.? Sometimes none, sometimes just 1 (like in IL) sometimes more.? Many photos in California.
Here is a page where you can learn about FrameFinder:
It seems to have a feature where you can view photos from different time frames, if they exist.? But I haven't figured out to use that features.
Charles E. "Chuck" Kinzer
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On Sunday, February 2, 2025 at 11:14:57 AM PST, Tom Lennon via groups.io <milepost169@...> wrote:
With any luck, above link will take you to an online accessible archive of aerial photos taken all over Minnesota since around1920.? It's very intuitive to use, and is painful only if you're trying to use it with a smartphone.? It wouldn't surprise me to learn that your state has something similar. Tommy?
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With my permission, my doctor uses an AI-based program that produces a written summary of the discussion during our office visit.? ?When?the visit is over, I get to review and revise the summary and receive?a copy of it before it goes into the official record.? ?As you say, the process creates a synopsis that is quite accurate.? I get to spend more time with the doctor as most of the time that she would have spent dictating the record of the visit is actually spent on the visit itself.??
Fortunately, in this situation the safeguards are in place to insure my consent and review.? No third-party rights are involved.? ?Unfortunately, that does not does not appear always to be the case with AI.? ? ?
-- Michael
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Re: The Monon Thoroughbred
Something like this then Bob? I’ll get to work on it! Roger ?
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Subject: Re: [S-Scale] The Monon Thoroughbred? However both small and larger blimps were popular.? I didn't prefer them, but small planes were cheap to rent too.? So don't eliminate them from historical reproductions.? Brooks, they didn’t have drones in 1947 ? Roger ?
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Re: aerial photos for modeling purposes
With any luck, above link will take you to an online accessible archive of aerial photos taken all over Minnesota since around1920.? It's very intuitive to use, and is painful only if you're trying to use it with a smartphone.? It wouldn't surprise me to learn that your state has something similar. Tommy?
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Re: S scale comments........
Very true Brian, if you look at our history, at one time or another 400 hobby shops purchased from us. Never more than 50 stocked our product at one time (around 2000). Although Walthers was our distributor, most hobby shops purchased directly ( I’m guessing the Robin effect!). We tried hard with hobby shops, liberal terms, 40% discount, free 4 color catalogs, ?etc. when we had sales, the hobby shops could take advantage. In 1993 we were on of the first S Scale companies to include UPS codes on our packaging…
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? Dan and I have been chasing this new track and turnout idea for at least 10 years – offering cash to “go make it” to multiple people – with no takers. It was what we thought was a significant cash amount offered that has since been doubled. ? I naively thought I/we knew how much it takes to get stuff made. Oh hell no it is a LOT more - even when working with people that are “S sympathetic” to the big goal. I am by far not being critical of anyone, ?just a statement of new found fact. So for now I am starting to GET it. ? The discussions of more 3D printed S items might make a small number of those already in S content but that is not going to draw any noticeable number of incoming newbies. Ready to run rolling stock and TRACK made to the current quality of HO is what it will take. ? In current model train manufacturing practices a new car is going to cost $300,000.00+. Locos are likely to be at least twice that amount. ?Anyone even thinking about it should be eyes wide open it is a GIFT, throwing money down the rabbit hole to never be seen again. There is no chance of a profit or ROI. In the first second know fully it is an awful financial idea and is likely going to get worse as time goes on. But if that is your passion don’t let the above stop you. You can’t take it with you. ? Lionel ending A F production may be an unintended gift. With them out of the way this could finally be the chance to reinvent S as the SCALE alternative that it the perfect size. Finally cut the rope tying us down to the 70 years of TOY TRAINS heritage. ? If you want S to survive it will take a LOT of the above. Bachmann “invented” On30. We need the very same thing NOW. The first few years are going to be painful until the hope that a critical mass is reached with current companies joining in because the S market is WIDE open. There is no chance that 2 companies release the SAME loco at the same time from expensive ?brand new projects like JUST happened to Scale Trains and BLI. Someone is going to lose big time there. ? There is no doubt the first thing that needs to be made is a GP38-2 and SD40-2. Where are the other financially able (and maybe retired) S Scalers forming a partnership and moving this forward? ScaleTrains is very likely to still be a no even if you literally laid a million $$ in front of them. They have to run their business how they see fit. But they are not the only company in town…. Atlas, Bachmann, Rapido…. I talked to a 2 person company I saw at Springfield making very nice modern HO cars. I would definitely call it an interesting conversation to be continued. There are possibilities to be found. ? There has been money spent on the track project so we have some progress. It was a somewhat accidental start to it all, but luck or coincidence works just as well too. It all just started with an email and phone call. There is now a hope/reasonably realistic goal of having code 100 flex track available for the NASG convention. ? Who is next to move an S idea forward? ? Thank You,
Bill Lane
Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987
See my finished models at:
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! ? See my layout progress at:
Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join!??
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
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Re: The Monon Thoroughbred
However both small and larger blimps
were popular.? I didn't prefer them, but small planes were cheap
to rent too.?
So don't eliminate them from historical
reproductions.?
Bob Werre
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Brooks,
they didn’t have drones in 1947 ?
Roger
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Higher vantage point images are now referred to as "drone
shots"...and they're all the rage!
Real railroads now look like layouts on
YouTube!
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Re: Posting Only On Facebook
Hi Ted,
The original idea was that the manager of that group would post
NASG-related news items there, for those who don't use Groups.io
(back then it was Yahoo Groups). While I have personally never seen
it, it is my understanding that it has morphed into an AF-discussion
group.
- Peter.
On 02/01/2025 07:16 PM, Ted Larson via
groups.io wrote:
Regarding?
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by Chris Burger on behalf of the NASG; ~1,300 members)
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What is NASGs purpose for this? ??
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trainweb.org/mhrr/??????? --------??????? NASG.org???????
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GN in 1965
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Peter Vanvliet (info@...)
owner, Fourth Ray Software
Houston, Texas
(personal web site)
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To quote the character, Walter (a.k.a. Dumont in the video world) from the 1982 Jeff Bridges movie, TRON... "Someday, the computers and the programs will start thinking and the people will stop."
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On 02/02/2025 11:00 AM EST Bill Lane via groups.io <bill@...> wrote:
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In our track progress ZOOM yesterday with Micro Engineering, Dan turned on the AI that recorded the conversation ?- mostly for a goof I guess. When it was over a written somewhat condensed summary was produced complete with subject title paragraphs. While not perfect especially with spelling people’s names it was amazingly (scarily?) accurate with what was discussed.
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Thank You,
Bill Lane
Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987
See my finished models at:
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale!
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See my layout progress at:
Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join!??
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
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In our track progress ZOOM yesterday with Micro Engineering, Dan turned on the AI that recorded the conversation ?- mostly for a goof I guess. When it was over a written somewhat condensed summary was produced complete with subject title paragraphs. While not perfect especially with spelling people’s names it was amazingly (scarily?) accurate with what was discussed. ? Thank You,
Bill Lane
Modeling the Mighty Pennsy, PRSL & Reading in 1957 in S Scale since 1987
See my finished models at:
Look at what has been made in PRR in S Scale! ? See my layout progress at:
Join the Pennsylvania Reading Seashore Lines Historical Society
It's FREE to join!??
Preserving The Memory Of The PRSL
?
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Re: AF prices go skyrocketing
Yes... but the simple solution to this is just don't buy them at these prices.? SELLERS do NOT have the power over BUYERS... we have the power over them.? There is no law that says we MUST buy regardless of the price.? It's the DEMAND part of Supply and Demand.... if we DEMAND the prices come down before we buy... eventually, they will.
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John D
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On 02/02/2025 10:30 AM EST Hans von Draminski via groups.io <hvdjournal@...> wrote:
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As predicted: Lionel announces the end of AF - and prices are shooting through the ceiling. In the Bay, you find some SD70 offers - at around 800 US-$. Unaffordable and unjustified. Even U33 offers for east of 400 dollars. Seems a few people have gone mad altogether...
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Tired Greetings from Middle Franconia, Hans (who does NOT want to play this game)
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AF prices go skyrocketing
As predicted: Lionel announces the end of AF - and prices are shooting through the ceiling. In the Bay, you find some SD70 offers - at around 800 US-$. Unaffordable and unjustified. Even U33 offers for east of 400 dollars. Seems a few people have gone mad altogether...
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Tired Greetings from Middle Franconia, Hans (who does NOT want to play this game)
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Bill Lane
Roger Nulton
Tom Lennon
Don Thompson
Bob Werre
John Degnan