Re: Family Finder tests entering the Y-DNA haplotree
I¡¯m going to provide a few more examples so the members can get an idea of how far down the lines some of these FF Y designations go.
This example in Z8 is from an FF test from April 2021 that has now been updated to include a Y result. This tester had a previous old upstream SNP Pack result that placed him at Z8. But his FF Y update takes things further. His Haplotree now shows him Z8+, skip Z338, Z11+, Z341+, Z12+, Z8175+. R-Z8175 is Discover dated to 450 BC.
Charles
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Thanks, Robert. It¡¯s helpful to know it doesn¡¯t always work as expected.
Charles
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On Dec 8, 2023, at 6:19?AM, Robert McMillan via groups.io <tensawmac@...> wrote:
?Charles and all,
Yesterday Charles mentioned his one example of z156 family finder results. The tester being S5520+ and FGc11662-.
This is my particular SNP path. This morning my father (B573209) just had his family finder SNP results post (He is in the R-U106 project). Despite the B prefix on the kit, this is a family finder test that was completed in the last few years.
His assigned haplogroup is now R-P310.
He is confirmed through Nebula testing to mirror my results which are: S5520>FGC11662>FGC11672>FGC11674>FGC11685> FGC11677.
I only mention all of this to demonstrate these results may not have consistent depth provided.
-Robert McMillan
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Family Finder tests entering the tree/ not all are the same level
Charles and all,
Yesterday Charles mentioned his one example of z156 family finder results. The tester being S5520+ and FGc11662-.
This is my particular SNP path. This morning my father (B573209) just had his family finder SNP results post (He is in the R-U106 project). Despite the B prefix on the kit, this is a family finder test that was completed in the last few years.
His assigned haplogroup is now R-P310.
He is confirmed through Nebula testing to mirror my results which are: S5520>FGC11662>FGC11672>FGC11674>FGC11685> FGC11677.
I only mention all of this to demonstrate these results may not have consistent depth provided.
-Robert McMillan
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Re: Family Finder tests entering the Y-DNA haplotree
I can see this happening.? Obviously not with uploaded kits only their own ff test results.
I¡¯m now also seeing updated FF results now including the Y SNPs, where the original FF test was several years ago.? The examples from yesterday were all brand new FF test results.? So FTDNA is now starting to cycle back through FF results from previous years, and updating them with the Y SNPs.
Charles
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I¡¯m now also seeing updated FF results now including the Y SNPs, where the original FF test was several years ago. The examples from yesterday were all brand new FF test results. So FTDNA is now starting to cycle back through FF results from previous years, and updating them with the Y SNPs.
Charles
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YES! ?I¡¯ve seen an example this morning of a tester who only has a 67 marker Y test, and Family Finder. ?He now has a CTS12023 Y haplogroup designation from his FF test.
When I look at another member in CTS12023¡¯s 67 match list, this FF-designated new CTS12023 result shows up on the other CTS12023 member¡¯s match list with his tests from FF and 67 markers, and his Y-haplogroup as R-CTS12023.
However, keep in mind that these new FF-designated Y haplogroups are mostly showing up as between 2000 or 3000 years old. ?So matching someone¡¯s STRs who shares a haplogroup with you that far upstream would not be too likely, since there¡¯s been a long time for each of your STR haplotypes to diverge beyond FTDNA¡¯s limits.
In this particular case, CTS12023 is Discover dated to 700 BC. ?
CTS12023 is an immediate subgroup of Z18, and the FF tester is now showing positive for both on his Haplotree.
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On Dec 8, 2023, at 3:22?AM, jason jordan <jasonmjordan76@...> wrote:
? Will these updates show on y matches as well.? I know from other test I am down z30 pf5143 off the top of my head but my 111 test has me only as m269.
This is excellent news. I have an example in my area - downstream of R-DF98.?
A US tester, but of almost immediate German heritage, who had done Y-111 and Family Finder. His initial FF initially gave R-M269 as usual. I knew from his STR data however that he would almost certainly be part of ¡®my¡¯ R-PH2163 tree - whose parent
SNP is R-S11739 (and which is Germanic).
?Today his haplogroup designation has changed to R-S11739. Result!?
Perhaps now I can convince him to do BigY.
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Will these updates show on y matches as well.? I know from other test I am down z30 pf5143 off the top of my head but my 111 test has me only as m269.
This is excellent news. I have an example in my area - downstream of R-DF98.?
A US tester, but of almost immediate German heritage, who had done Y-111 and Family Finder. His initial FF initially gave R-M269 as usual. I knew from his STR data however that he would almost certainly be part of ¡®my¡¯ R-PH2163 tree - whose parent
SNP is R-S11739 (and which is Germanic).
?Today his haplogroup designation has changed to R-S11739. Result!?
Perhaps now I can convince him to do BigY.
Hi folks,
A short update. I'm comparing the haplotree as of 10th November against today's. This will therefore partly confuse the changes that have happened over the last couple of days as Family Finder tests have been added with the slower addition of BigY tests
that have happened over the last month. Most of the increases, however, will be from the FF tests.
The number of R-U106 has increased by 1124 testers (5.4%), while the number with listed European origins for their paternal earliest known ancestors (EKA) has increased by only 192 (2.1%). This would largely appear to be because people who have only taken
autosomal tests have not specified their EKA, and we are relying on people who have taken Y-STR tests and entered this information.
Of the 1124, 1088 have been given a haplogroup within R-U106. We can see proportional (~5%) increases in the number of people within all the major R-U106 haplogroups:
R-Z2265, R-Z18,
R-L257, R-Z156,
R-DF96, R-DF98,
R-S1688, R-L48,
R-L47, R-Z9,
R-Z326, R-FGC910,
R-Z8, R-Z341,
R-Z1 and R-Z343.
It's difficult to assess at the moment exactly how many SNPs within R-U106 have seen this growth. As an indication, I have looked at my own line:
R-DF98 increased by 4.9% from 926 to 971 testers.
R-S1911 increased by 4.9% from 286 to 300 testers.
R-S1894 increased by 7% from 157 to 168 testers.
Within R-S1894, it's hard to make definite statements, but SNPs from R-S4004, R-FGC14814 and R-FGC14840 appear to be present, so this is reaching quite a long way down the tree, suggesting that a significant amount of at least the main tree structure can
be sampled.
As more tests come in, we will have more of an insight.
At the moment, testers who have received R-U106 results should probably be encouraged to join the project. Even if they do not have any Y-STRs yet, their EKA information (if they have filled it in!) is useful information for analysing members around them.
Cheers,
Iain.
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This is excellent news. I have an example in my area - downstream of R-DF98.?
A US tester, but of almost immediate German heritage, who had done Y-111 and Family Finder. His initial FF initially gave R-M269 as usual. I knew from his STR data however that he would almost certainly be part of ¡®my¡¯ R-PH2163 tree - whose parent
SNP is R-S11739 (and which is Germanic).
?Today his haplogroup designation has changed to R-S11739. Result!?
Perhaps now I can convince him to do BigY.
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Hi folks,
A short update. I'm comparing the haplotree as of 10th November against today's. This will therefore partly confuse the changes that have happened over the last couple of days as Family Finder tests have been added with the slower addition of BigY tests
that have happened over the last month. Most of the increases, however, will be from the FF tests.
The number of R-U106 has increased by 1124 testers (5.4%), while the number with listed European origins for their paternal earliest known ancestors (EKA) has increased by only 192 (2.1%). This would largely appear to be because people who have only taken
autosomal tests have not specified their EKA, and we are relying on people who have taken Y-STR tests and entered this information.
Of the 1124, 1088 have been given a haplogroup within R-U106. We can see proportional (~5%) increases in the number of people within all the major R-U106 haplogroups:
R-Z2265, R-Z18,
R-L257, R-Z156,
R-DF96, R-DF98,
R-S1688, R-L48,
R-L47, R-Z9,
R-Z326, R-FGC910,
R-Z8, R-Z341,
R-Z1 and R-Z343.
It's difficult to assess at the moment exactly how many SNPs within R-U106 have seen this growth. As an indication, I have looked at my own line:
R-DF98 increased by 4.9% from 926 to 971 testers.
R-S1911 increased by 4.9% from 286 to 300 testers.
R-S1894 increased by 7% from 157 to 168 testers.
Within R-S1894, it's hard to make definite statements, but SNPs from R-S4004, R-FGC14814 and R-FGC14840 appear to be present, so this is reaching quite a long way down the tree, suggesting that a significant amount of at least the main tree structure can
be sampled.
As more tests come in, we will have more of an insight.
At the moment, testers who have received R-U106 results should probably be encouraged to join the project. Even if they do not have any Y-STRs yet, their EKA information (if they have filled it in!) is useful information for analysing members around them.
Cheers,
Iain.
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Re: Family Finder tests entering the Y-DNA haplotree
Hello FTDNA said they would start with batches of 3,000; however some of the men already have SNP Pack and/or Big Y results. It appears that the first batch increased the number of SNP tested men by a nett 2,207 men, which suggests 26% already there. The next increase in number that I noted was 8,826; so maybe they were from the next 4 batches totalling 12,000 FF results. They began with recent results, and already I have seen some from late last year. Huge improvement on R-M269, so hopefully more will be encouraged to test further. Kind regards John
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On Thu, Dec 7, 2023 at 20:01 Robert McMillan via <tensawmac= [email protected]> wrote: Awesome, I was hoping S5520 would be included!? Robert McMillan ?My only example today from Z156 is a tester who is Z156+ and S5520+.? However, he is also shown negative for the S5520 subgroup FGC11662, and also negative for two of the S5520 brother groups Z306 and S3311.
Charles? ?Here is an example from the Z18 branch.? His haplotree shows him as Z18+, skip FGC79182, skip Z17, skip Z372, skip S5695, S4031+, S3207+, skip CTS5533, CTS2158+.? Discover dates CTS2158 to 750 BC. Charles? ?Another example is from a tester who DID already have a Y SNP result from an upstream SNP Pack test, that placed him in our L48 group.? But his FF test Y result shows him Z31+, which is downstream from L48, and also Z8 negative.? So FTDNA now shows him as Z31+ and I¡¯ve moved him down into his new group.
So this example is an indication of what I think we want to see in a case like this, where FTDNA is changing the previous upstream Y SNP result to a new result downstream, based on his confirmed Z31+ result from the FF chip.? He¡¯s also shown positive for the SNPs in between L48 and Z31, exactly as shown in my previous examples.? Plus they¡¯re adding in his Z8 negative result to help confirm his position.? Unfortunately, they¡¯re not showing a result for anything down the line of the Z8 brother group FGC902.
Charles? ?Here are two good examples that I have reviewed that are considerably far down two of our major branches, but nevertheless are haplogroups from the BC timeframe.? I looked at these individuals¡¯ Haplotrees to see what upstream SNPs FTDNA is showing a green result for.? Again, these are testers with NO Y SNP tests at FTDNA, but new Family Finder tests where FTDNA is now providing limited Y-SNP results coming from the otherwise autosomal chip test they¡¯re using for FF.? They DO have FTDNA STR results, and have joined our project based on their match lists or a test elsewhere. These new Y results are showing up on Y-DNA Project Results pages with green haplogroup labels in place of their previous red R-M269 labels.
One of these examples is in our large Z8 branch, while the other is in Z326.
Both of these testers¡¯ results on their haplotrees show green positive results for some SNPs down their common line of descent, but skipping the exact same ones, as follows:
U106+, skip Z2265, skip BY30097, skip FTT8, Z381+, skip Z301, L48+, Z9+.
Then, the one in Z8 continues with Z30+, skip Z27, skip Z345, Z2+, Z7+, Z31+, Z8+, Z1+, and finally Z346+.? They also show Z344 negative for the brother group of Z346.? Discover dates Z346 to about 750 BC.
The other example continues below Z9 with Z331+, Z330+, Z326+, skip Z8168, FGC18842+, S23955+, skip A656, skip A657, and finally Y67920+.? Discover dates this to 650 BC.
I¡¯ll send some more examples a bit later.
Charles? ? Hi folks,
A quick note to say that overnight the first batch of Y-DNA haplogroups from Family Finder tests has entered the haplotree. Nearly 12,000 tests have been added to the haplotree in the last four weeks, the vast majority of which have appeared since yesterday and are therefore presumably these new tests.
These are early stages, and we don't yet have the answers to a lot of questions. For example, we don't yet have a good idea of which haplogroups are included in this analysis. That will become clearer as we go through the results, as they are released. Charles is in the process of regrouping the tests with new results, and has told me it includes Z30 and Z326. Hopefully we will find out more soon.
Cheers,
Iain.
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And one last example tonight from the L47 branch.
This tester¡¯s haplotree shows him as L47+, skip FGC8034, skip L44, skip FGC6185, then L163+, L46+, L45+, L493+. The Discover date for L493 is 100 BC.
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Awesome, I was hoping S5520 would be included!? Robert McMillan
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On Dec 7, 2023, at 6:53?PM, Charles via groups.io <cdmo29@...> wrote:
? My only example today from Z156 is a tester who is Z156+ and S5520+. ?However, he is also shown negative for the S5520 subgroup FGC11662, and also negative for two of the S5520 brother groups Z306 and S3311. Charles? On Dec 7, 2023, at 6:43?PM, Charles via groups.io <cdmo29@...> wrote:
? Here is an example from the Z18 branch. ?His haplotree shows him as Z18+, skip FGC79182, skip Z17, skip Z372, skip S5695, S4031+, S3207+, skip CTS5533, CTS2158+. ?Discover dates CTS2158 to 750 BC. Charles? On Dec 7, 2023, at 6:13?PM, Charles via groups.io <cdmo29@...> wrote:
? Another example is from a tester who DID already have a Y SNP result from an upstream SNP Pack test, that placed him in our L48 group. ?But his FF test Y result shows him Z31+, which is downstream from L48, and also Z8 negative. ?So FTDNA now shows him as Z31+ and I¡¯ve moved him down into his new group.
So this example is an indication of what I think we want to see in a case like this, where FTDNA is changing the previous upstream Y SNP result to a new result downstream, based on his confirmed Z31+ result from the FF chip. ?He¡¯s also shown positive for the SNPs in between L48 and Z31, exactly as shown in my previous examples. ?Plus they¡¯re adding in his Z8 negative result to help confirm his position. ?Unfortunately, they¡¯re not showing a result for anything down the line of the Z8 brother group FGC902.
Charles? On Dec 7, 2023, at 5:35?PM, Charles via groups.io <cdmo29@...> wrote:
? Here are two good examples that I have reviewed that are considerably far down two of our major branches, but nevertheless are haplogroups from the BC timeframe. ?I looked at these individuals¡¯ Haplotrees to see what upstream SNPs FTDNA is showing a green result for. ?Again, these are testers with NO Y SNP tests at FTDNA, but new Family Finder tests where FTDNA is now providing limited Y-SNP results coming from the otherwise autosomal chip test they¡¯re using for FF. ?They DO have FTDNA STR results, and have joined our project based on their match lists or a test elsewhere. These new Y results are showing up on Y-DNA Project Results pages with green haplogroup labels in place of their previous red R-M269 labels.
One of these examples is in our large Z8 branch, while the other is in Z326.
Both of these testers¡¯ results on their haplotrees show green positive results for some SNPs down their common line of descent, but skipping the exact same ones, as follows:
U106+, skip Z2265, skip BY30097, skip FTT8, Z381+, skip Z301, L48+, Z9+.
Then, the one in Z8 continues with Z30+, skip Z27, skip Z345, Z2+, Z7+, Z31+, Z8+, Z1+, and finally Z346+. ?They also show Z344 negative for the brother group of Z346. ?Discover dates Z346 to about 750 BC.
The other example continues below Z9 with Z331+, Z330+, Z326+, skip Z8168, FGC18842+, S23955+, skip A656, skip A657, and finally Y67920+. ?Discover dates this to 650 BC.
I¡¯ll send some more examples a bit later.
Charles? On Dec 7, 2023, at 7:54?AM, Iain via groups.io <gubbins@...> wrote:
? Hi folks,
A quick note to say that overnight the first batch of Y-DNA haplogroups from Family Finder tests has entered the haplotree. Nearly 12,000 tests have been added to the haplotree in the last four weeks, the vast majority of which have appeared since yesterday and are therefore presumably these new tests.
These are early stages, and we don't yet have the answers to a lot of questions. For example, we don't yet have a good idea of which haplogroups are included in this analysis. That will become clearer as we go through the results, as they are released. Charles is in the process of regrouping the tests with new results, and has told me it includes Z30 and Z326. Hopefully we will find out more soon.
Cheers,
Iain.
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My only example today from Z156 is a tester who is Z156+ and S5520+. ?However, he is also shown negative for the S5520 subgroup FGC11662, and also negative for two of the S5520 brother groups Z306 and S3311.
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On Dec 7, 2023, at 6:43?PM, Charles via groups.io <cdmo29@...> wrote:
? Here is an example from the Z18 branch. ?His haplotree shows him as Z18+, skip FGC79182, skip Z17, skip Z372, skip S5695, S4031+, S3207+, skip CTS5533, CTS2158+. ?Discover dates CTS2158 to 750 BC. Charles? On Dec 7, 2023, at 6:13?PM, Charles via groups.io <cdmo29@...> wrote:
? Another example is from a tester who DID already have a Y SNP result from an upstream SNP Pack test, that placed him in our L48 group. ?But his FF test Y result shows him Z31+, which is downstream from L48, and also Z8 negative. ?So FTDNA now shows him as Z31+ and I¡¯ve moved him down into his new group.
So this example is an indication of what I think we want to see in a case like this, where FTDNA is changing the previous upstream Y SNP result to a new result downstream, based on his confirmed Z31+ result from the FF chip. ?He¡¯s also shown positive for the SNPs in between L48 and Z31, exactly as shown in my previous examples. ?Plus they¡¯re adding in his Z8 negative result to help confirm his position. ?Unfortunately, they¡¯re not showing a result for anything down the line of the Z8 brother group FGC902.
Charles? On Dec 7, 2023, at 5:35?PM, Charles via groups.io <cdmo29@...> wrote:
? Here are two good examples that I have reviewed that are considerably far down two of our major branches, but nevertheless are haplogroups from the BC timeframe. ?I looked at these individuals¡¯ Haplotrees to see what upstream SNPs FTDNA is showing a green result for. ?Again, these are testers with NO Y SNP tests at FTDNA, but new Family Finder tests where FTDNA is now providing limited Y-SNP results coming from the otherwise autosomal chip test they¡¯re using for FF. ?They DO have FTDNA STR results, and have joined our project based on their match lists or a test elsewhere. These new Y results are showing up on Y-DNA Project Results pages with green haplogroup labels in place of their previous red R-M269 labels.
One of these examples is in our large Z8 branch, while the other is in Z326.
Both of these testers¡¯ results on their haplotrees show green positive results for some SNPs down their common line of descent, but skipping the exact same ones, as follows:
U106+, skip Z2265, skip BY30097, skip FTT8, Z381+, skip Z301, L48+, Z9+.
Then, the one in Z8 continues with Z30+, skip Z27, skip Z345, Z2+, Z7+, Z31+, Z8+, Z1+, and finally Z346+. ?They also show Z344 negative for the brother group of Z346. ?Discover dates Z346 to about 750 BC.
The other example continues below Z9 with Z331+, Z330+, Z326+, skip Z8168, FGC18842+, S23955+, skip A656, skip A657, and finally Y67920+. ?Discover dates this to 650 BC.
I¡¯ll send some more examples a bit later.
Charles? On Dec 7, 2023, at 7:54?AM, Iain via groups.io <gubbins@...> wrote:
? Hi folks,
A quick note to say that overnight the first batch of Y-DNA haplogroups from Family Finder tests has entered the haplotree. Nearly 12,000 tests have been added to the haplotree in the last four weeks, the vast majority of which have appeared since yesterday and are therefore presumably these new tests.
These are early stages, and we don't yet have the answers to a lot of questions. For example, we don't yet have a good idea of which haplogroups are included in this analysis. That will become clearer as we go through the results, as they are released. Charles is in the process of regrouping the tests with new results, and has told me it includes Z30 and Z326. Hopefully we will find out more soon.
Cheers,
Iain.
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Here is an example from the Z18 branch. ?His haplotree shows him as Z18+, skip FGC79182, skip Z17, skip Z372, skip S5695, S4031+, S3207+, skip CTS5533, CTS2158+. ?Discover dates CTS2158 to 750 BC.
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On Dec 7, 2023, at 6:13?PM, Charles via groups.io <cdmo29@...> wrote:
? Another example is from a tester who DID already have a Y SNP result from an upstream SNP Pack test, that placed him in our L48 group. ?But his FF test Y result shows him Z31+, which is downstream from L48, and also Z8 negative. ?So FTDNA now shows him as Z31+ and I¡¯ve moved him down into his new group.
So this example is an indication of what I think we want to see in a case like this, where FTDNA is changing the previous upstream Y SNP result to a new result downstream, based on his confirmed Z31+ result from the FF chip. ?He¡¯s also shown positive for the SNPs in between L48 and Z31, exactly as shown in my previous examples. ?Plus they¡¯re adding in his Z8 negative result to help confirm his position. ?Unfortunately, they¡¯re not showing a result for anything down the line of the Z8 brother group FGC902.
Charles? On Dec 7, 2023, at 5:35?PM, Charles via groups.io <cdmo29@...> wrote:
? Here are two good examples that I have reviewed that are considerably far down two of our major branches, but nevertheless are haplogroups from the BC timeframe. ?I looked at these individuals¡¯ Haplotrees to see what upstream SNPs FTDNA is showing a green result for. ?Again, these are testers with NO Y SNP tests at FTDNA, but new Family Finder tests where FTDNA is now providing limited Y-SNP results coming from the otherwise autosomal chip test they¡¯re using for FF. ?They DO have FTDNA STR results, and have joined our project based on their match lists or a test elsewhere. These new Y results are showing up on Y-DNA Project Results pages with green haplogroup labels in place of their previous red R-M269 labels.
One of these examples is in our large Z8 branch, while the other is in Z326.
Both of these testers¡¯ results on their haplotrees show green positive results for some SNPs down their common line of descent, but skipping the exact same ones, as follows:
U106+, skip Z2265, skip BY30097, skip FTT8, Z381+, skip Z301, L48+, Z9+.
Then, the one in Z8 continues with Z30+, skip Z27, skip Z345, Z2+, Z7+, Z31+, Z8+, Z1+, and finally Z346+. ?They also show Z344 negative for the brother group of Z346. ?Discover dates Z346 to about 750 BC.
The other example continues below Z9 with Z331+, Z330+, Z326+, skip Z8168, FGC18842+, S23955+, skip A656, skip A657, and finally Y67920+. ?Discover dates this to 650 BC.
I¡¯ll send some more examples a bit later.
Charles? On Dec 7, 2023, at 7:54?AM, Iain via groups.io <gubbins@...> wrote:
? Hi folks,
A quick note to say that overnight the first batch of Y-DNA haplogroups from Family Finder tests has entered the haplotree. Nearly 12,000 tests have been added to the haplotree in the last four weeks, the vast majority of which have appeared since yesterday and are therefore presumably these new tests.
These are early stages, and we don't yet have the answers to a lot of questions. For example, we don't yet have a good idea of which haplogroups are included in this analysis. That will become clearer as we go through the results, as they are released. Charles is in the process of regrouping the tests with new results, and has told me it includes Z30 and Z326. Hopefully we will find out more soon.
Cheers,
Iain.
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We do have new members joining the project today, clearly based on their new FF result with Y SNPs.
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On Dec 7, 2023, at 5:10?PM, Iain via groups.io <gubbins@...> wrote:
? Hi folks,
A short update. I'm comparing the haplotree as of 10th November against today's. This will therefore partly confuse the changes that have happened over the last couple of days as Family Finder tests have been added with the slower addition of BigY tests that have happened over the last month. Most of the increases, however, will be from the FF tests.
The number of R-U106 has increased by 1124 testers (5.4%), while the number with listed European origins for their paternal earliest known ancestors (EKA) has increased by only 192 (2.1%). This would largely appear to be because people who have only taken autosomal tests have not specified their EKA, and we are relying on people who have taken Y-STR tests and entered this information.
Of the 1124, 1088 have been given a haplogroup within R-U106. We can see proportional (~5%) increases in the number of people within all the major R-U106 haplogroups: R-Z2265, R-Z18, R-L257, R-Z156, R-DF96, R-DF98, R-S1688, R-L48, R-L47, R-Z9, R-Z326, R-FGC910, R-Z8, R-Z341, R-Z1 and R-Z343.
It's difficult to assess at the moment exactly how many SNPs within R-U106 have seen this growth. As an indication, I have looked at my own line: R-DF98 increased by 4.9% from 926 to 971 testers. R-S1911 increased by 4.9% from 286 to 300 testers. R-S1894 increased by 7% from 157 to 168 testers. Within R-S1894, it's hard to make definite statements, but SNPs from R-S4004, R-FGC14814 and R-FGC14840 appear to be present, so this is reaching quite a long way down the tree, suggesting that a significant amount of at least the main tree structure can be sampled.
As more tests come in, we will have more of an insight.
At the moment, testers who have received R-U106 results should probably be encouraged to join the project. Even if they do not have any Y-STRs yet, their EKA information (if they have filled it in!) is useful information for analysing members around them.
Cheers,
Iain.
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Another example is from a tester who DID already have a Y SNP result from an upstream SNP Pack test, that placed him in our L48 group. ?But his FF test Y result shows him Z31+, which is downstream from L48, and also Z8 negative. ?So FTDNA now shows him as Z31+ and I¡¯ve moved him down into his new group.
So this example is an indication of what I think we want to see in a case like this, where FTDNA is changing the previous upstream Y SNP result to a new result downstream, based on his confirmed Z31+ result from the FF chip. ?He¡¯s also shown positive for the SNPs in between L48 and Z31, exactly as shown in my previous examples. ?Plus they¡¯re adding in his Z8 negative result to help confirm his position. ?Unfortunately, they¡¯re not showing a result for anything down the line of the Z8 brother group FGC902.
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On Dec 7, 2023, at 5:35?PM, Charles via groups.io <cdmo29@...> wrote:
? Here are two good examples that I have reviewed that are considerably far down two of our major branches, but nevertheless are haplogroups from the BC timeframe. ?I looked at these individuals¡¯ Haplotrees to see what upstream SNPs FTDNA is showing a green result for. ?Again, these are testers with NO Y SNP tests at FTDNA, but new Family Finder tests where FTDNA is now providing limited Y-SNP results coming from the otherwise autosomal chip test they¡¯re using for FF. ?They DO have FTDNA STR results, and have joined our project based on their match lists or a test elsewhere. These new Y results are showing up on Y-DNA Project Results pages with green haplogroup labels in place of their previous red R-M269 labels.
One of these examples is in our large Z8 branch, while the other is in Z326.
Both of these testers¡¯ results on their haplotrees show green positive results for some SNPs down their common line of descent, but skipping the exact same ones, as follows:
U106+, skip Z2265, skip BY30097, skip FTT8, Z381+, skip Z301, L48+, Z9+.
Then, the one in Z8 continues with Z30+, skip Z27, skip Z345, Z2+, Z7+, Z31+, Z8+, Z1+, and finally Z346+. ?They also show Z344 negative for the brother group of Z346. ?Discover dates Z346 to about 750 BC.
The other example continues below Z9 with Z331+, Z330+, Z326+, skip Z8168, FGC18842+, S23955+, skip A656, skip A657, and finally Y67920+. ?Discover dates this to 650 BC.
I¡¯ll send some more examples a bit later.
Charles? On Dec 7, 2023, at 7:54?AM, Iain via groups.io <gubbins@...> wrote:
? Hi folks,
A quick note to say that overnight the first batch of Y-DNA haplogroups from Family Finder tests has entered the haplotree. Nearly 12,000 tests have been added to the haplotree in the last four weeks, the vast majority of which have appeared since yesterday and are therefore presumably these new tests.
These are early stages, and we don't yet have the answers to a lot of questions. For example, we don't yet have a good idea of which haplogroups are included in this analysis. That will become clearer as we go through the results, as they are released. Charles is in the process of regrouping the tests with new results, and has told me it includes Z30 and Z326. Hopefully we will find out more soon.
Cheers,
Iain.
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Re: Family Finder tests entering the Y-DNA haplotree
Here are two good examples that I have reviewed that are considerably far down two of our major branches, but nevertheless are haplogroups from the BC timeframe. ?I looked at these individuals¡¯ Haplotrees to see what upstream SNPs FTDNA is showing a green result for. ?Again, these are testers with NO Y SNP tests at FTDNA, but new Family Finder tests where FTDNA is now providing limited Y-SNP results coming from the otherwise autosomal chip test they¡¯re using for FF. ?They DO have FTDNA STR results, and have joined our project based on their match lists or a test elsewhere. These new Y results are showing up on Y-DNA Project Results pages with green haplogroup labels in place of their previous red R-M269 labels.
One of these examples is in our large Z8 branch, while the other is in Z326.
Both of these testers¡¯ results on their haplotrees show green positive results for some SNPs down their common line of descent, but skipping the exact same ones, as follows:
U106+, skip Z2265, skip BY30097, skip FTT8, Z381+, skip Z301, L48+, Z9+.
Then, the one in Z8 continues with Z30+, skip Z27, skip Z345, Z2+, Z7+, Z31+, Z8+, Z1+, and finally Z346+. ?They also show Z344 negative for the brother group of Z346. ?Discover dates Z346 to about 750 BC.
The other example continues below Z9 with Z331+, Z330+, Z326+, skip Z8168, FGC18842+, S23955+, skip A656, skip A657, and finally Y67920+. ?Discover dates this to 650 BC.
I¡¯ll send some more examples a bit later.
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On Dec 7, 2023, at 7:54?AM, Iain via groups.io <gubbins@...> wrote:
? Hi folks,
A quick note to say that overnight the first batch of Y-DNA haplogroups from Family Finder tests has entered the haplotree. Nearly 12,000 tests have been added to the haplotree in the last four weeks, the vast majority of which have appeared since yesterday and are therefore presumably these new tests.
These are early stages, and we don't yet have the answers to a lot of questions. For example, we don't yet have a good idea of which haplogroups are included in this analysis. That will become clearer as we go through the results, as they are released. Charles is in the process of regrouping the tests with new results, and has told me it includes Z30 and Z326. Hopefully we will find out more soon.
Cheers,
Iain.
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Re: Family Finder tests entering the Y-DNA haplotree
Hi folks,
A short update. I'm comparing the haplotree as of 10th November against today's. This will therefore partly confuse the changes that have happened over the last couple of days as Family Finder tests have been added with the slower addition of BigY tests that have happened over the last month. Most of the increases, however, will be from the FF tests.
The number of R-U106 has increased by 1124 testers (5.4%), while the number with listed European origins for their paternal earliest known ancestors (EKA) has increased by only 192 (2.1%). This would largely appear to be because people who have only taken autosomal tests have not specified their EKA, and we are relying on people who have taken Y-STR tests and entered this information.
Of the 1124, 1088 have been given a haplogroup within R-U106. We can see proportional (~5%) increases in the number of people within all the major R-U106 haplogroups: R-Z2265, R-Z18, R-L257, R-Z156, R-DF96, R-DF98, R-S1688, R-L48, R-L47, R-Z9, R-Z326, R-FGC910, R-Z8, R-Z341, R-Z1 and R-Z343.
It's difficult to assess at the moment exactly how many SNPs within R-U106 have seen this growth. As an indication, I have looked at my own line: R-DF98 increased by 4.9% from 926 to 971 testers. R-S1911 increased by 4.9% from 286 to 300 testers. R-S1894 increased by 7% from 157 to 168 testers. Within R-S1894, it's hard to make definite statements, but SNPs from R-S4004, R-FGC14814 and R-FGC14840 appear to be present, so this is reaching quite a long way down the tree, suggesting that a significant amount of at least the main tree structure can be sampled.
As more tests come in, we will have more of an insight.
At the moment, testers who have received R-U106 results should probably be encouraged to join the project. Even if they do not have any Y-STRs yet, their EKA information (if they have filled it in!) is useful information for analysing members around them.
Cheers,
Iain.
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Re: Family Finder tests entering the Y-DNA haplotree
Hi Iain, all,
?
Thank you Iain for this interesting information.
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On the tiny R-S19589 branch downstream R-U106, a new tester, of unknown origin, has recently appeared (R-FGC57423 - TMRCA ~574 BCE). I assume this new tester belongs to this batch of FF/Y-SNP tests. Even though this isn't the true terminal haplogroup, it looks promising to me. Hopefully these newcomers will communicate data on the origins of their EKA (country of origin, location of the EKA / SNP Map). We will see.
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It should be possible to compare the evolution of the number of testers per haplogroup compared to older versions of the FTDNA's Y-DNA Haplotree. There is indeed a high probability that the increase in the number of positive testers for haplogroups with relatively old TMRCAs is linked to these FF/SNPs tests.
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Cheers,
?
Ewenn
[Edit]
I¡¯ve quickly write some python code to compare version 2023/12/01, to version 2023/12/06, of the FTDNA¡¯s Y-DNA Haplotree. I¡¯ve only compared basal kits (all the positive testers whose haplogroup is not more refined) and basal bigY.
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I observe differences in just over 160 haplogroups downstream of R-U106. The results of this comparison (I ranked differences in descending order) - Please note: these differences are not necessarily due to FF/SNP testers:
| Haplogroup |
basal kits difference |
basal bigY difference |
TMRCA 95% CI |
| R-Z18 |
58 |
0 |
~ -2230 [-2869 ; -1674] 95% CI |
| R-Z346 |
42 |
0 |
~ -761 [-1197 ; -383] 95% CI |
| R-U106 |
37 |
0 |
~ -2940 [-3646 ; -2321] 95% CI |
| R-L48 |
37 |
0 |
~ -2394 [-3030 ; -1838] 95% CI |
| R-S9342 |
31 |
0 |
~ -1503 [-2101 ; -990] 95% CI |
| R-CTS10893 |
27 |
-2 |
~ -867 [-1334 ; -464] 95% CI |
| R-FGC12307 |
25 |
0 |
~ -114 [-490 ; 208] 95% CI |
| R-Z304 |
24 |
0 |
~ -2120 [-2734 ; -1584] 95% CI |
| R-Z326 |
24 |
0 |
~ -1355 [-1880 ; -900] 95% CI |
| R-CTS2509 |
23 |
0 |
~ -961 [-1472 ; -523] 95% CI |
| R-S18823 |
19 |
0 |
~ -1805 [-2422 ; -1272] 95% CI |
| R-U198 |
18 |
0 |
~ -1515 [-2059 ; -1043] 95% CI |
| R-S5684 |
17 |
0 |
~ -71 [-481 ; 275] 95% CI |
| R-CTS2158 |
17 |
0 |
~ -768 [-1297 ; -322] 95% CI |
| R-S5520 |
17 |
0 |
~ -2337 [-3048 ; -1725] 95% CI |
| R-S4060 |
17 |
0 |
~ -497 [-939 ; -120] 95% CI |
| R-FGC3861 |
17 |
0 |
~ -2120 [-2807 ; -1529] 95% CI |
| R-Z381 |
15 |
0 |
~ -2667 [-3337 ; -2081] 95% CI |
| R-FGC13326 |
15 |
0 |
~ -1755 [-2365 ; -1229] 95% CI |
| R-Z159 |
15 |
0 |
~ -1774 [-2363 ; -1264] 95% CI |
| R-Z8 |
14 |
0 |
~ -948 [-1395 ; -559] 95% CI |
| R-S23955 |
13 |
0 |
~ -970 [-1489 ; -527] 95% CI |
| R-Z2 |
13 |
0 |
~ -1757 [-2311 ; -1273] 95% CI |
| R-L163 |
13 |
0 |
~ -1649 [-2251 ; -1130] 95% CI |
| R-L257 |
12 |
0 |
~ -1397 [-1953 ; -918] 95% CI |
| R-Z156 |
12 |
0 |
~ -2529 [-3197 ; -1947] 95% CI |
| R-CTS7080 |
12 |
0 |
~ -268 [-700 ; 97] 95% CI |
| R-S20321 |
11 |
0 |
~ -590 [-1048 ; -200] 95% CI |
| R-L493 |
11 |
0 |
~ -115 [-563 ; 259] 95% CI |
| R-CTS6353 |
11 |
0 |
~ -681 [-1252 ; -205] 95% CI |
| R-FGC13959 |
11 |
0 |
~ -2378 [-3263 ; -1635] 95% CI |
| R-CTS12023 |
10 |
0 |
~ -686 [-1181 ; -265] 95% CI |
| R-Z31 |
10 |
0 |
~ -1594 [-2128 ; -1128] 95% CI |
| R-S15627 |
10 |
0 |
~ -1281 [-1808 ; -826] 95% CI |
| R-ZP30 |
9 |
0 |
~ -101 [-501 ; 236] 95% CI |
| R-S25234 |
9 |
0 |
~ -1601 [-2269 ; -1034] 95% CI |
| R-S1812 |
9 |
0 |
~ -822 [-1309 ; -405] 95% CI |
| R-FGC15333 |
9 |
0 |
~ 456 [89 ; 758] 95% CI |
| R-S1688 |
9 |
0 |
~ -1990 [-2601 ; -1460] 95% CI |
| R-Z372 |
8 |
0 |
~ -1570 [-2125 ; -1089] 95% CI |
| R-S22047 |
8 |
0 |
~ -1470 [-2109 ; -928] 95% CI |
| R-S15663 |
8 |
0 |
~ -150 [-552 ; 191] 95% CI |
| R-S15510 |
8 |
0 |
~ -1185 [-1789 ; -675] 95% CI |
| R-Z341 |
8 |
0 |
~ -531 [-949 ; -172] 95% CI |
| R-FGC909 |
8 |
0 |
~ -225 [-655 ; 138] 95% CI |
| R-S6941 |
8 |
0 |
~ -1285 [-2003 ; -689] 95% CI |
| R-Z375 |
7 |
0 |
~ -173 [-551 ; 150] 95% CI |
| R-S11739 |
7 |
0 |
~ -847 [-1371 ; -402] 95% CI |
| R-FGC12346 |
7 |
0 |
~ -1744 [-2435 ; -1157] 95% CI |
| R-Z30 |
7 |
0 |
~ -2096 [-2698 ; -1571] 95% CI |
| R-S5245 |
7 |
0 |
~ 81 [-276 ; 384] 95% CI |
| R-L45 |
7 |
0 |
~ -429 [-876 ; -49] 95% CI |
| R-FGC8601 |
7 |
0 |
~ 328 [-16 ; 616] 95% CI |
| R-DF96 |
6 |
0 |
~ -1847 [-2440 ; -1332] 95% CI |
| R-A317 |
6 |
0 |
~ 294 [-93 ; 614] 95% CI |
| R-CTS5601 |
6 |
0 |
~ -596 [-1044 ; -213] 95% CI |
| R-Z12 |
6 |
0 |
~ -477 [-909 ; -108] 95% CI |
| R-S18890 |
6 |
0 |
~ -44 [-443 ; 293] 95% CI |
| R-S3251 |
6 |
0 |
~ -1289 [-1826 ; -826] 95% CI |
| R-A688 |
6 |
0 |
~ -622 [-1142 ; -184] 95% CI |
| R-Z155 |
6 |
0 |
~ -1257 [-1835 ; -763] 95% CI |
| R-S3207 |
5 |
0 |
~ -1007 [-1527 ; -563] 95% CI |
| R-ZP48 |
5 |
0 |
~ 569 [141 ; 909] 95% CI |
| R-A410 |
5 |
0 |
~ -38 [-453 ; 310] 95% CI |
| R-Y67920 |
5 |
0 |
~ -659 [-1275 ; -152] 95% CI |
| R-Z6 |
5 |
0 |
~ -531 [-986 ; -144] 95% CI |
| R-S3262 |
5 |
0 |
~ 88 [-345 ; 446] 95% CI |
| R-FGC17298 |
5 |
0 |
~ -799 [-1333 ; -347] 95% CI |
| R-DF94 |
5 |
0 |
~ -1024 [-1535 ; -586] 95% CI |
| R-FGC14877 |
5 |
0 |
~ -164 [-619 ; 215] 95% CI |
| R-S4037 |
4 |
0 |
~ -408 [-937 ; 31] 95% CI |
| R-S11515 |
4 |
0 |
~ -1299 [-1832 ; -839] 95% CI |
| R-FGC14814 |
4 |
0 |
~ -811 [-1443 ; -289] 95% CI |
| R-S3311 |
4 |
0 |
~ -2435 [-3316 ; -1695] 95% CI |
| R-FGC17308 |
4 |
0 |
~ -706 [-1267 ; -237] 95% CI |
| R-S21607 |
4 |
0 |
~ 132 [-292 ; 482] 95% CI |
| R-S11601 |
3 |
0 |
~ -1379 [-1985 ; -863] 95% CI |
| R-FGC11674 |
3 |
0 |
~ 1083 [894 ; 1242] 95% CI |
| R-S11477 |
3 |
0 |
~ -275 [-828 ; 178] 95% CI |
| R-S1894 |
3 |
0 |
~ -1576 [-2206 ; -1037] 95% CI |
| R-BY78427 |
3 |
0 |
~ 491 [51 ; 842] 95% CI |
| R-Z344 |
3 |
0 |
~ -745 [-1222 ; -337] 95% CI |
| R-DF102 |
3 |
0 |
~ -294 [-703 ; 54] 95% CI |
| R-L47 |
3 |
0 |
~ -2194 [-2832 ; -1639] 95% CI |
| R-L46 |
3 |
0 |
~ -1440 [-2031 ; -933] 95% CI |
| R-FGC17304 |
3 |
0 |
~ -280 [-793 ; 145] 95% CI |
| R-FGC8590 |
3 |
0 |
~ -526 [-1001 ; -124] 95% CI |
| R-S4078 |
3 |
0 |
~ -826 [-1312 ; -410] 95% CI |
| R-M323 |
3 |
0 |
~ -1141 [-1887 ; -529] 95% CI |
| R-ZP8 |
2 |
0 |
~ -95 [-467 ; 223] 95% CI |
| R-S16818 |
2 |
0 |
~ 282 [-104 ; 601] 95% CI |
| R-FGC11662 |
2 |
0 |
~ -1173 [-1727 ; -700] 95% CI |
| R-FGC13324 |
2 |
0 |
~ -852 [-1477 ; -333] 95% CI |
| R-FGC14823 |
2 |
0 |
~ -1217 [-1833 ; -697] 95% CI |
| R-S22116 |
2 |
0 |
~ -1170 [-1745 ; -682] 95% CI |
| R-BY71326 |
2 |
0 |
~ 1588 [1261 ; 1803] 95% CI |
| R-FTD89723 |
2 |
1 |
Unknown |
| R-S19425 |
2 |
0 |
~ 267 [-135 ; 599] 95% CI |
| R-Z8175 |
2 |
0 |
~ -468 [-911 ; -90] 95% CI |
| R-FGC12057 |
2 |
0 |
~ -177 [-579 ; 165] 95% CI |
| R-A295 |
2 |
0 |
~ -482 [-1041 ; -19] 95% CI |
| R-S6915 |
2 |
0 |
~ -950 [-1571 ; -432] 95% CI |
| R-CTS3104 |
2 |
0 |
~ -2220 [-2980 ; -1574] 95% CI |
| R-SK2100 |
2 |
0 |
~ 100 [-754 ; 734] 95% CI |
| R-Y138795 |
2 |
0 |
~ -2223 [-3285 ; -1357] 95% CI |
| R-S3514 |
1 |
0 |
~ 878 [389 ; 1243] 95% CI |
| R-FT131424 |
1 |
0 |
~ -786 [-1817 ; 6] 95% CI |
| R-S9509 |
1 |
0 |
~ 1912 [1784 ; 1985] 95% CI |
| R-Z378 |
1 |
0 |
~ -845 [-1329 ; -431] 95% CI |
| R-S6358 |
1 |
0 |
~ 864 [645 ; 1049] 95% CI |
| R-S5750 |
1 |
0 |
~ 1069 [856 ; 1245] 95% CI |
| R-FT61322 |
1 |
0 |
~ 741 [190 ; 1153] 95% CI |
| R-S4031 |
1 |
0 |
~ -1252 [-1809 ; -776] 95% CI |
| R-FTB29811 |
1 |
0 |
~ 1253 [784 ; 1579] 95% CI |
| R-BY41942 |
1 |
0 |
~ 1847 [1525 ; 1994] 95% CI |
| R-Z306 |
1 |
0 |
~ -2289 [-2928 ; -1733] 95% CI |
| R-Z307 |
1 |
0 |
~ -2211 [-2838 ; -1664] 95% CI |
| R-FTE73244 |
1 |
0 |
~ 1900 [1786 ; 1971] 95% CI |
| R-FTC96071 |
1 |
0 |
~ 1696 [1459 ; 1853] 95% CI |
| R-FGC69208 |
1 |
0 |
~ 685 [81 ; 1132] 95% CI |
| R-BY1745 |
1 |
0 |
~ 1488 [1327 ; 1616] 95% CI |
| R-FGC8372 |
1 |
0 |
~ -118 [-655 ; 319] 95% CI |
| R-BY743 |
1 |
0 |
~ -993 [-1503 ; -556] 95% CI |
| R-A411 |
1 |
0 |
~ -425 [-881 ; -39] 95% CI |
| R-S15585 |
1 |
0 |
~ 135 [-559 ; 668] 95% CI |
| R-A226 |
1 |
0 |
~ -393 [-899 ; 28] 95% CI |
| R-BY17482 |
1 |
0 |
~ 854 [-33 ; 1435] 95% CI |
| R-BY64367 |
1 |
0 |
~ 1205 [756 ; 1524] 95% CI |
| R-FGC13445 |
1 |
0 |
~ -1605 [-2291 ; -1025] 95% CI |
| R-L127 |
1 |
0 |
~ 1280 [942 ; 1529] 95% CI |
| R-FTE36660 |
1 |
0 |
~ 1583 [1320 ; 1767] 95% CI |
| R-S3997 |
1 |
0 |
~ 905 [505 ; 1213] 95% CI |
| R-Z9 |
1 |
0 |
~ -2170 [-2779 ; -1638] 95% CI |
| R-CTS7411 |
1 |
0 |
~ -58 [-609 ; 387] 95% CI |
| R-FTA51439 |
1 |
0 |
~ 1808 [1631 ; 1921] 95% CI |
| R-FTD66674 |
1 |
1 |
Unknown |
| R-FT140536 |
1 |
0 |
~ 69 [-751 ; 684] 95% CI |
| R-FGC19774 |
1 |
0 |
~ 32 [-427 ; 410] 95% CI |
| R-Z1 |
1 |
0 |
~ -901 [-1352 ; -510] 95% CI |
| R-S18951 |
1 |
0 |
~ -429 [-945 ; 1] 95% CI |
| R-S10415 |
1 |
0 |
~ 304 [-75 ; 619] 95% CI |
| R-Y130644 |
1 |
0 |
~ 1897 [1768 ; 1973] 95% CI |
| R-FT153218 |
1 |
0 |
~ 435 [-112 ; 860] 95% CI |
| R-FT44729 |
1 |
1 |
Unknown |
| R-FTE57832 |
1 |
0 |
~ 1714 [1525 ; 1845] 95% CI |
| R-FGC70940 |
1 |
0 |
~ 335 [-45 ; 649] 95% CI |
| R-PF889 |
1 |
0 |
~ 806 [498 ; 1058] 95% CI |
| R-FT116840 |
1 |
0 |
~ 82 [-633 ; 632] 95% CI |
| R-FTF725 |
1 |
1 |
Unknown |
| R-FT32008 |
1 |
1 |
Unknown |
| R-CTS3553 |
1 |
0 |
~ 680 [126 ; 1097] 95% CI |
| R-PH2129 |
1 |
0 |
~ 455 [33 ; 795] 95% CI |
| R-S9355 |
1 |
0 |
~ -1055 [-1686 ; -528] 95% CI |
| R-A764 |
1 |
0 |
~ 547 [160 ; 860] 95% CI |
| R-BY1282 |
1 |
0 |
~ -2 [-499 ; 403] 95% CI |
| R-A6704 |
1 |
0 |
~ -136 [-1075 ; 563] 95% CI |
| R-JFS0041 |
1 |
0 |
~ 184 [-191 ; 497] 95% CI |
| R-FGC12774 |
1 |
0 |
~ 1063 [844 ; 1244] 95% CI |
| R-FGC12305 |
1 |
0 |
~ -671 [-1135 ; -274] 95% CI |
| R-BY729 |
1 |
0 |
~ -437 [-933 ; -22] 95% CI |
| R-FT286174 |
1 |
0 |
~ 346 [-303 ; 841] 95% CI |
| R-FGC30527 |
1 |
0 |
~ -344 [-1012 ; 191] 95% CI |
| R-FT362693 |
1 |
0 |
~ 1012 [421 ; 1426] 95% CI |
| R-Z152 |
1 |
0 |
~ 855 [554 ; 1099] 95% CI |
| R-FGC57423 |
1 |
0 |
~ -574 [-1554 ; 175] 95% CI |
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Re: Family Finder tests entering the Y-DNA haplotree
I know that one of the tests was my uncles. He was moved to R-S15510.
On Thursday, December 7, 2023 at 07:54:34 AM CST, Iain via groups.io <gubbins@...> wrote:
Hi folks,
A quick note to say that overnight the first batch of Y-DNA haplogroups from Family Finder tests has entered the haplotree. Nearly 12,000 tests have been added to the haplotree in the last four weeks, the vast majority of which have appeared since yesterday and are therefore presumably these new tests.
These are early stages, and we don't yet have the answers to a lot of questions. For example, we don't yet have a good idea of which haplogroups are included in this analysis. That will become clearer as we go through the results, as they are released. Charles is in the process of regrouping the tests with new results, and has told me it includes Z30 and Z326. Hopefully we will find out more soon.
Cheers,
Iain.
|
Ewenn