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Troubleshooting U3S


Ivan Cholakov
 

Hello, my son is in the process of constructing a U3S beacon. He has completed the board, low pass filter for 30m and fastened it together. When powered on by 4 AA batteries the kit turns on and he adjusted the menus to generate a CW test msg. From what can be seen no RF is coming out. A 3 ft wire was attached to the RF pin for testing purposes. We can provide detailed closeup photos of the unit. Not sure where to troubleshoot. Menus being correct tells me the microprocessor is inserted in place and doing its job. Low pass filter seems to be OK, where do we look next? Any suggestions are welcome.

Thank you,
Ivan Cholakov NO2CW


 

What method are you using to determine that there is no output?
Did you adjust the PA bias per the instructions?


 

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Hi Ivan,

As Michael said in his post.
/g/QRPLabs/message/14484
Did you manage to successfully set the PA Bias?

If you couldn't get quiescent current set per manual then the PA stage is not working correctly.
I don't know what test equipment you have to hand, but there but a few components in the PA.
A DVM will be fine to do Continuity & DC checks referring back to the schematic diagram.
Does the PA Volts make it to the Drain of Q1?

Also make sure you have all the required links made on the PCB, depending if you have built it for single or multi band using the optional LPF relay PCB.

In the longer term you may find you need a stiffer power supply than AA size dry cells.
If you are building a 'bench top' beacon then deriving a clean 5v supply from your shack 13.8v supply is best.
A linear voltage regulator 7805 or LM317 have a look at the data sheets for the minimum components you need for stability & prevent self oscillation and a couple of thousand uF electrolytic for smoothing.

Post us an update to what you find.

Regards Alan

On 04/06/2017 21:37, Ivan Cholakov wrote:

Hello, my son is in the process of constructing a U3S beacon. He has completed the board, low pass filter for 30m and fastened it together. When powered on by 4 AA batteries the kit turns on and he adjusted the menus to generate a CW test msg. From what can be seen no RF is coming out. A 3 ft wire was attached to the RF pin for testing purposes. We can provide detailed closeup photos of the unit. Not sure where to troubleshoot. Menus being correct tells me the microprocessor is inserted in place and doing its job. Low pass filter seems to be OK, where do we look next? Any suggestions are welcome.

Thank you,
Ivan Cholakov NO2CW


Ivan Cholakov
 

Thank you for the responses. I was waiting for my son to be able to perform some testing:
1. The unit is the latest version. using low pass filter for 10 mhz and the txco with crystal marked 27 mhz. gps is available but not constructed or connected yet.
2. Four AA batteries are used for testing power. They produce 5.8V. When running through a 5V buck transformer voltage is reduced to 5.4V it does not seem that this is the problem.
3. The unit shows constant drain of 84 ma regardless of PA potentiometer setting. There is no special instruction related to potentiometer PA setting. We have only seen a writeup related to setting PA bias with OCXO.

4. we are expecting rf to be out of the rf port as illustrated in the instruction manual

5. The manual is not very clear when talking about PA related jumper settings. We have the following jumpers: (a) jumper behind the +5V power supply port (b) we do not have a jumper between 5V and heat (c) we have W2 and W3 connected (d) we have W0 and W1 connected (e) ?we have jumpers in place of resistors R3 and R4


 

3. The unit shows constant drain of 84 ma regardless of PA potentiometer setting. There is no special instruction related to potentiometer PA setting. We have only seen a writeup related to setting PA bias with OCXO.?

I am not where I can put my hands on it but there are instructions for setting the PA bias. If adjusting the pot doesn't indicate a change in power supply current then something isn't right


David Warnberg
 

See post.. ?/g/QRPLabs/topic/did_i_break_it/5012177?p=,,,20,0,0,0::recentpostdate%2Fsticky,,,20,2,60,5012177

and yes there is mention on 2 methods of setting PA voltage


David Warnberg
 

Page 21, section 7 mentions the OCXO, but setting the PA bias voltage is the same regardless, I think you are misunderstanding what it's telling you.. I suggest you read it again fully..

good luck


 

Ivan,
Please double check your connections to L1. Refer to Page 6 and 7 of the assembly manual.
In your attached photo? #2, I do not see anything connected to the pads labeled "1" in the diagram on page 7. Both pins "1" must be connected together and to one end of the coil L1.
Good luck,?
Warren


 

Hi Ivan

I agree with Warren. Your L1 connection is incorrect. The Rev 3 PCB is laid out for a bifilar transformer, not a 25 turn inductor as used in previous versions. Nevertheless, you can use a 25 turn inductor if you wish - but you have installed it incorrectly I think. This explains why you have no power out etc., and no change in current when you adjust the bias.

73 Hans G0UPL
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On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 4:45 AM, <whend@...> wrote:
Ivan,
Please double check your connections to L1. Refer to Page 6 and 7 of the assembly manual.
In your attached photo? #2, I do not see anything connected to the pads labeled "1" in the diagram on page 7. Both pins "1" must be connected together and to one end of the coil L1.
Good luck,?
Warren



Ivan Cholakov
 

Thank you all for the great insight. We did the following today:
1. Detached and reattached the toroid that was pointed out as incorrectly placed. Added jumper as instructed.
2. Checked a few additional connections and one did not register well on the multimeter (we used enameled wire for the jumper) so we resoldered it.
Result:
1. The U3S is now transmitting. The amateur radio station next to it can receive the CW test signal.
2. PA Bias - this seems to be a little bit of a problem. In the absence of any test equipment we turn the potentiometer until the transistor starts to get hot. Idle consumption is 85mA and max consumption before transistor gets hot is 180 mA. This seems slightly low.
3.Using our home dipole ->? A station 30 miles away that we can control remotely does not receive the CW beacon. WSPR mode does not get detected or reported. This is using 100 ft of coax so as soon as the 5 days of rain here stops we will also test with a directly fed antenna.
Overall we are transmitting a signal but the indication is the signal is very weak. This could be due to the 100 ft of coax or due to more problems with the board where very minimal power gets transmitted.
Any suggestions are welcome. Thank you again.


 

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I'm concerned you cooked the transistor please read the bias settings, how to in the instructions.?

You can measure current so you have the tools. Drop the pot counter clockwise then slowly run it clockwise until you see deflection/increase on your current meter then leave it there or back it off a hair.?

This is proper zero bias setting.?

////

Do you have 5v solid power supply yet or are you still using dry cell battery? You need a better power source to continue.

////

I run my unit at 100ft of coax and am heard around the world on all bands on a 20/40 dipole ?no tuner At 1w or less. Never seen the transistor warmer then room temp. On the U3?

////

Do you have 5v at the transistor? Measured with multimeter?

What's your RMS or AC measured power on the RF at transmit into a dummy load??

Do you have a relay board attached??

Is your LPF properly oriented?

Did you check continuity on LPF?

Finally the power output is low you can cheat by running it with a local RX system and just touch parts of the board notice any change in signal on the rx?

Do you have any access to a oscilloscope??

Kelly K7MHI


Sent from a mobile device.?

On Jun 7, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Ivan Cholakov <ivantcholakov@...> wrote:

Thank you all for the great insight. We did the following today:
1. Detached and reattached the toroid that was pointed out as incorrectly placed. Added jumper as instructed.
2. Checked a few additional connections and one did not register well on the multimeter (we used enameled wire for the jumper) so we resoldered it.
Result:
1. The U3S is now transmitting. The amateur radio station next to it can receive the CW test signal.
2. PA Bias - this seems to be a little bit of a problem. In the absence of any test equipment we turn the potentiometer until the transistor starts to get hot. Idle consumption is 85mA and max consumption before transistor gets hot is 180 mA. This seems slightly low.
3.Using our home dipole ->? A station 30 miles away that we can control remotely does not receive the CW beacon. WSPR mode does not get detected or reported. This is using 100 ft of coax so as soon as the 5 days of rain here stops we will also test with a directly fed antenna.
Overall we are transmitting a signal but the indication is the signal is very weak. This could be due to the 100 ft of coax or due to more problems with the board where very minimal power gets transmitted.
Any suggestions are welcome. Thank you again.


 

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Hello Ivan.?

On your remote receiving station, have you got an accurate PC time. Within one second accuracy.? There are a few PC time calibration programs on the web to keep your pic time super accurate.?

If not, you won't see any reports.?

My main U3S doesn't TX with much more power then you describe and I get out. Europe, USA mainly. Signal into about 30m of coax into a simple wire dipole.?

Also, the soldering on the LPF seems a little iffy. Especially C1, C2 and the winding on the left of the picture doesn't quite seem like it's taken properly.?

Are you using lead free solder.?? By the joints looking like they do I suspect you are.?
It doesn't sweat as well as leaded solder.?

Keep at it and you'll get there. It's just a learning curve you're in right now and it'll all come clear in the end.?

Kindest, James.?

On 8 Jun 2017, at 07:05, Kelly Keeton via Groups.Io <kellykeeton@...> wrote:

I'm concerned you cooked the transistor please read the bias settings, how to in the instructions.?

You can measure current so you have the tools. Drop the pot counter clockwise then slowly run it clockwise until you see deflection/increase on your current meter then leave it there or back it off a hair.?

This is proper zero bias setting.?

////

Do you have 5v solid power supply yet or are you still using dry cell battery? You need a better power source to continue.

////

I run my unit at 100ft of coax and am heard around the world on all bands on a 20/40 dipole ?no tuner At 1w or less. Never seen the transistor warmer then room temp. On the U3?

////

Do you have 5v at the transistor? Measured with multimeter?

What's your RMS or AC measured power on the RF at transmit into a dummy load??

Do you have a relay board attached??

Is your LPF properly oriented?

Did you check continuity on LPF?

Finally the power output is low you can cheat by running it with a local RX system and just touch parts of the board notice any change in signal on the rx?

Do you have any access to a oscilloscope??

Kelly K7MHI


Sent from a mobile device.?

On Jun 7, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Ivan Cholakov <ivantcholakov@...> wrote:

Thank you all for the great insight. We did the following today:
1. Detached and reattached the toroid that was pointed out as incorrectly placed. Added jumper as instructed.
2. Checked a few additional connections and one did not register well on the multimeter (we used enameled wire for the jumper) so we resoldered it.
Result:
1. The U3S is now transmitting. The amateur radio station next to it can receive the CW test signal.
2. PA Bias - this seems to be a little bit of a problem. In the absence of any test equipment we turn the potentiometer until the transistor starts to get hot. Idle consumption is 85mA and max consumption before transistor gets hot is 180 mA. This seems slightly low.
3.Using our home dipole ->? A station 30 miles away that we can control remotely does not receive the CW beacon. WSPR mode does not get detected or reported. This is using 100 ft of coax so as soon as the 5 days of rain here stops we will also test with a directly fed antenna.
Overall we are transmitting a signal but the indication is the signal is very weak. This could be due to the 100 ft of coax or due to more problems with the board where very minimal power gets transmitted.
Any suggestions are welcome. Thank you again.


 

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That should read PC not pic by the way Ivan.?

Auto correct on the phone.?

On 8 Jun 2017, at 08:26, James Anderson <james21170@...> wrote:

Hello Ivan.?

On your remote receiving station, have you got an accurate PC time. Within one second accuracy.? There are a few PC time calibration programs on the web to keep your pic time super accurate.?

If not, you won't see any reports.?

My main U3S doesn't TX with much more power then you describe and I get out. Europe, USA mainly. Signal into about 30m of coax into a simple wire dipole.?

Also, the soldering on the LPF seems a little iffy. Especially C1, C2 and the winding on the left of the picture doesn't quite seem like it's taken properly.?

Are you using lead free solder.?? By the joints looking like they do I suspect you are.?
It doesn't sweat as well as leaded solder.?

Keep at it and you'll get there. It's just a learning curve you're in right now and it'll all come clear in the end.?

Kindest, James.?

On 8 Jun 2017, at 07:05, Kelly Keeton via Groups.Io <kellykeeton@...> wrote:

I'm concerned you cooked the transistor please read the bias settings, how to in the instructions.?

You can measure current so you have the tools. Drop the pot counter clockwise then slowly run it clockwise until you see deflection/increase on your current meter then leave it there or back it off a hair.?

This is proper zero bias setting.?

////

Do you have 5v solid power supply yet or are you still using dry cell battery? You need a better power source to continue.

////

I run my unit at 100ft of coax and am heard around the world on all bands on a 20/40 dipole ?no tuner At 1w or less. Never seen the transistor warmer then room temp. On the U3?

////

Do you have 5v at the transistor? Measured with multimeter?

What's your RMS or AC measured power on the RF at transmit into a dummy load??

Do you have a relay board attached??

Is your LPF properly oriented?

Did you check continuity on LPF?

Finally the power output is low you can cheat by running it with a local RX system and just touch parts of the board notice any change in signal on the rx?

Do you have any access to a oscilloscope??

Kelly K7MHI


Sent from a mobile device.?

On Jun 7, 2017, at 6:39 PM, Ivan Cholakov <ivantcholakov@...> wrote:

Thank you all for the great insight. We did the following today:
1. Detached and reattached the toroid that was pointed out as incorrectly placed. Added jumper as instructed.
2. Checked a few additional connections and one did not register well on the multimeter (we used enameled wire for the jumper) so we resoldered it.
Result:
1. The U3S is now transmitting. The amateur radio station next to it can receive the CW test signal.
2. PA Bias - this seems to be a little bit of a problem. In the absence of any test equipment we turn the potentiometer until the transistor starts to get hot. Idle consumption is 85mA and max consumption before transistor gets hot is 180 mA. This seems slightly low.
3.Using our home dipole ->? A station 30 miles away that we can control remotely does not receive the CW beacon. WSPR mode does not get detected or reported. This is using 100 ft of coax so as soon as the 5 days of rain here stops we will also test with a directly fed antenna.
Overall we are transmitting a signal but the indication is the signal is very weak. This could be due to the 100 ft of coax or due to more problems with the board where very minimal power gets transmitted.
Any suggestions are welcome. Thank you again.


Ivan Cholakov
 

Thank you all again for the comments. We resoldered the low pass filter toroids. They seemed very problematic as the wire would not allow to be tinned even after we tried some sand paper. I think we got it right at the end. Our WSPR signal was detected from stations 1000+ miles way. I am sure the unit is capable of a lot more but this was a good result.
PA bias seems correct now but the entire adjustment procedure is still not 100% clear.


 

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Hello Ivan.?

That's good to hear that you've got it to TX now.?

I use a very sharp craft knife to scrape the enamel off the wire. This seems to work much better than emery cloth or sand paper.?
Place the wire flat in the work bench and scrape gently along the wire.?

Conditions aren't brilliant right now and your 1000miles is just fine.?

I mostly TX into Europe and the USA from the UK and very very occasionally have been heard in Australia. But I can count this on one hand in about 8yrs of using WSPR.?

Remember, you are at best TXing at about 200mw after all and that's what makes it very interesting.?

The main thing is that you're now up and running.?

Kindest. James.?

On 12 Jun 2017, at 03:02, Ivan Cholakov <ivantcholakov@...> wrote:

Thank you all again for the comments. We resoldered the low pass filter toroids. They seemed very problematic as the wire would not allow to be tinned even after we tried some sand paper. I think we got it right at the end. Our WSPR signal was detected from stations 1000+ miles way. I am sure the unit is capable of a lot more but this was a good result.?
PA bias seems correct now but the entire adjustment procedure is still not 100% clear.