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Re: An interesting diagnosis

 

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Bravo, Jeff! Next time you have to replace a CPU, it would be nice if you could video the process!

73,
Randy, KS4L

On Feb 16, 2024, at 2:43?PM, Jeffrey W Moore via groups.io <jeffreymoore@...> wrote:

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Success! ?After a one hour operation, the patient lives. ?I was able to remove the bad cpu, remove the good cpu from a donor board, being careful to not mix them up!!!! clean up the pads on the board, clean up the legs of the good cpu and finally solder the new cpu in place. ?Power on and all is good. ?The rig has a few other minor problems that I’ll fix up and ship it back to its home QTH.

my technique for this is to use a bead of flux and low temp solder around the entire cpu. ?I move my iron around the perimeter until the chip is loose. ?I then slide it off the board.

I clean the legs off the good cpu by placing each side of the chip on a flux soaked piece of solder wick. ?I apply heat and all solder is wicked away. ?

Soldering in the new cpu is done with flux (I love flux), thin solder and a very small iron.

73
Jeff
W1NC


Re: An interesting diagnosis

 

Success! ?After a one hour operation, the patient lives. ?I was able to remove the bad cpu, remove the good cpu from a donor board, being careful to not mix them up!!!! clean up the pads on the board, clean up the legs of the good cpu and finally solder the new cpu in place. ?Power on and all is good. ?The rig has a few other minor problems that I’ll fix up and ship it back to its home QTH.

my technique for this is to use a bead of flux and low temp solder around the entire cpu. ?I move my iron around the perimeter until the chip is loose. ?I then slide it off the board.

I clean the legs off the good cpu by placing each side of the chip on a flux soaked piece of solder wick. ?I apply heat and all solder is wicked away. ?

Soldering in the new cpu is done with flux (I love flux), thin solder and a very small iron.

73
Jeff
W1NC


Re: WSPR Receive Frequency on QCX Mini With TCXO

 

The QCX-mini has a very sharp CW-filter with center at 700 Hz. Try tuning your QCX-mini at 14.0964 MHz. Then you can hear(!) WSPR. At oder versions of WSPR-software you can change the pitch so you can use it to decode. With the WSJT-x its not changeable anymore. And these old versions of WSPR dont run und er W10 :-( Another possibility is to shift tones using Spectrum lab Software: Take a look at but use Osc=800 Hz.
73!
Peter DL3NAA


Re: #qmx #firmware 1_00_017 AGC, S-meter, LPF sweep #qmx #firmware

 

Hi Adrian, Danny,

S-meter and AGC seem to work very well, however, as Danny noted, when transmitting, some artefacts like static can be heard on each dah or dit. With AGC disabled, these are gone.

I'll look into that.?

I configured AGC with the values seen in your screen captures, they seem pretty sane, I only changed "Recovery dB/s" (from 10 to 15) and "Threshold S" (from 8 to 7). Couldn't they be used as defaults after a factory reset? It would reduce the hassle involved after a reset, IMO.

Yes I definitely want to set up some reset defaults. Once it becomes clear with some use, what values are typically appropriate.?

The values I used in the video are probably a bit extreme. I was tending to use extreme values because it makes it easier to see what's going on and make sure the AGC logic is working properly. Also easier to see in a demo.

73 Hans G0UPL


Re: #qmx #firmware 1_00_017 AGC, S-meter, LPF sweep #qmx #firmware

 

Hello Bojan

With the LPF sweep I suspect that the chosen output power is too much for the LPF test as it is obvious that half of the sweep goes into the filtered zone.

Please could you explain? I didn't understand what you're getting at?

73 Hans G0UPL


WSPR Receive Frequency on QCX Mini With TCXO

 

Hi,?

Can someone please advise?? I want to use my 20M QCX Mini with TCXO to listen to WSPR using WSJTx. Do I set my receive frequency to 14.0956 MHz, or 14.0971MHz?

My PC time is spot on, but I don't log anything on either frequency at the minute. I'm just wondering which frequency I should be on before I start looking for other issues.?

Thanks?

Karl


Re: #qmx #firmware 1_00_017 AGC, S-meter, LPF sweep #qmx #firmware

 

Hans, thanks very much!

S-meter and AGC seem to work very well, however, as Danny noted, when transmitting, some artefacts like static can be heard on each dah or dit. With AGC disabled, these are gone.

I configured AGC with the values seen in your screen captures, they seem pretty sane, I only changed "Recovery dB/s" (from 10 to 15) and "Threshold S" (from 8 to 7). Couldn't they be used as defaults after a factory reset? It would reduce the hassle involved after a reset, IMO.

Nice work, as always!

Regards,
YO3GFH
op. Adrian


Re: #qmx #firmware 1_00_017 AGC, S-meter, LPF sweep #qmx #firmware

 

S meter works well.
With the LPF sweep I suspect that the chosen output power is too much for the LPF test as it is obvious that half of the sweep goes into the filtered zone.
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73 Bojan S53DZ


Re: QMX First time start help

 

Popped the new buck converter in, downloaded and dropped FW 1_00_017 and shazaam!


Re: V17 Signal meter #qmx

 

Hello Timo

At the moment yes that's the design. The IQ mode abandons all subsequent audio processing after sending the audio to the PC. Including AGC. And yes I did enable AGC and S-meter only for CW so far.?

73 Hans G0UPL


On Fri, Feb 16, 2024, 6:10?PM <timo.vandermerwe@...> wrote:
Hi Hans,
In IQ enabled, digital mode the Signal strength meter is not display.? On my QMX it only displays the Signal strength in CW mode with IQ set as disabled.? Don't know if this is by design?
73 de ZR6TM
Timo


Re: #qmx #firmware 1_00_017 AGC, S-meter, LPF sweep #qmx #firmware

 

Well I loaded 1_00_017 (final "ripened" version) into my 12V rev1 QMX with a QRP Labs dummy load attached.? Loading of the new version? went fine.? I immediately went to the AGC submenu and started entering the AGC parameters as shown in the short YouTube AGC video by Hans aaand..? suddenly the display just showed a top row of black squares then blank.? I turned off power and tried to power up.? It no longer powers up.? It likely has nothing to do with the new version, and is merely a coincidence, but after all this time, and many power ups and power downs, it decided to fail.? Time to do some debugging.? Perhaps the protection zener on the Vdd switching supply? Thoughts?

-Steve K1RF?


------ Original Message ------
From "Hans Summers" <hans.summers@...>
Date 2/16/2024 10:20:14 AM
Subject Re: [QRPLabs] #qmx #firmware 1_00_017 AGC, S-meter, LPF sweep

Hi Roy, all

Profound apologies are hereby offered. I would love to be able to tell you that I just fired the entire development time however, I already fired them last time.?

Embarrassment... OUUUCCHHHH... turns out, of course, that the parameters all default to zero, but that can't be OK because then you get a division by zero when loading the parameters, but of course the, err, developer couldn't have tested that scenario which just so happens to be exactly what you would all experience. ALSO - if the sample length happens to be zero then it keeps incrementing until it wraps around the byte counter, well then that tries to write audio samples into a 256-block delay line when the maximum allocation was 9... OH how horrible I should throw myself on my sword.?

Anyway I fixed it all now, you can download a fresh 1_00_017 and it will work OK now. You need, as I mentioned, to set up AGC parameters as it won't be sensible until you do, but, at least it won't hang up on you when stuff is zero immediately after updating firmware.?

73 Hans G0UPL



On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 6:11?PM Roy - KI0ER via <ki0er=[email protected]> wrote:
I was able, using the wire jumper, to roll back to 016 Firmware, and my darling QMX appears happy again. It's nice that one only needs to remove the 2 bottom screws on each side of the enclosure to pop the bottom cover off (no need to remove knobs and disassemble otherwise).



Roy - KI0ER


Re: #qmx #firmware 1_00_017 AGC, S-meter, LPF sweep #qmx #firmware

 

No issues? ? Hans,? .......? ?sweet as a nut!? ? ?:-)? ? ? ??

On Friday, 16 February 2024 at 16:43:49 GMT, algarveastronomy <bmes@...> wrote:


On 16/02/2024 15:28, algarveastronomy wrote:
> Except that the COM access and the virtual directory do not appear any
> more.......

Well, after some sweating, I managed to talk to it after rebooting the
PC as well as the QMX.
I am back on version 16.? I don't know whether I will ever have the
nerve to try 17 again!

Regards
Bev







Re: #qmx #firmware 1_00_017 AGC, S-meter, LPF sweep #qmx #firmware

 

On 16/02/2024 15:28, algarveastronomy wrote:
Except that the COM access and the virtual directory do not appear any more.......
Well, after some sweating, I managed to talk to it after rebooting the PC as well as the QMX.
I am back on version 16. I don't know whether I will ever have the nerve to try 17 again!

Regards
Bev


Re: #qmx #firmware 1_00_017 AGC, S-meter, LPF sweep #qmx #firmware

 

Thank You, Thank You, Thank You! Hans, you are the best.

Mike Krieger


On Fri, Feb 16, 2024 at 9:03?AM Hans Summers <hans.summers@...> wrote:
Hi all

I have released firmware 1_00_017 at

The most important features are the AGC and S-meter.?

S-meter: it appears in the 3 characters to the right of the mode indicator character, when S-meter is enabled. The 15 vertical bars are worth 6dB each and therefore correspond to levels from S0 to S9 (9 bars) and?on up at S9+6dB, S9+12dB etc to S9+36dB when all three are full solid. The scale is calibrated in real decibels, but the accuracy of S0 relative to an actual signal input depends on the level of the gain setting you set for various bands in the Band Configuration terminal menu.?

AGC: it's a quite complex sub-system and I have documented the concepts and parameters in the 1_00_017 operating manual at , section 5.21 pages 52-57 inclusive. Briefly...?

AGC operates in the decibel domain, not linear. There is an AGC threshold below which AGC does not operate, it's a parameter specified in S-meter units. There's an impulse noise filter whose duration is configurable. The AGC slope is configurable so you can adjust it to your taste, you can have a gentle AGC action where strong signals are louder than weak ones, or an aggressive one where the AGC system makes everything the same volume. Hang time and recovery rate are also configurable.?

The AGC system creates an audio sample delay line, which it analyzes for impulse peaks then applies the calculated AGC gain (attenuation) to the sound samples in the delay line. The action of the AGC is therefore effectively instant; no matter how strong the incoming signal, the time taken for the AGC to react to it and protect your ears is always zero,?no piece of strong signal reaches your ears. The length of the delay line is configurable and needs to be a minimum 1.3ms for CW. SSB has a lower minimum audio frequency so a longer delay line is required; the maximum configuration is 6ms which would be able to handle signals down to 83 Hz. Either way, it's a very small latency.?

The S-meter also has a configurable "AGC action" display; if enabled, the S-meter looks like the Power/SWR meter function (during transmit) with two bars. The upper bar is the S-meter and the lower bar is the AGC action, with a configurable number of dB per pixel. It just helps you to see when AGC is active.?

The S-meter configuration parameters were moved to their own sub-menu under the Display/controls menu, and include an S-meter update interval parameter.?

I created a short demonstration YouTube video? . In this video I used a QCX, with about 150cm of wire attached to the antenna port, to generate a strong CW test signal. The BS170s in the QCX are toasted so this just produces very little actual power output but of course we are in close proximity, so the signal level "received" by the QMX is enormous, approx S9+30dB. In the video you can see heavy clipping when the AGC is off, which would no doubt generate a gigantic headache if you had earphones on; when I switch AGC on the signal is reduced to a comfortable S9 level.?

I also tested the QMX with AGC on 40m at night, tuning around for strong signals with and without AGC and I believe it is highly effective.?

The system is highly configurable, I suspect it may be TOO configurable; I will look forward to your feedback and suggestions on how it may be improved, and in particular it may be possible to remove some of these configurations, or derive or calculate them. The attached screenshot shows the configuration I used for the video. I must say though that it does not appear to be a delicate act, balancing parameters carefully; it seems generally to be very effective and insensitive to the exact settings.?

I do highly recommend though that you read the operating manual pages 52-57 carefully; initially all the parameters will be zero and you need to set it up carefully, before enabling AGC. At the moment there are no default values. So let's see.?

Other than that, I also added an LPF sweep tool (see example attached), which was discussed some time ago here. It "transmits" at 1/4 full power, into a dummy load (DO connect a dummy load!) while sweeping the transmit frequency, and plots the measured power output, after conversion to dB and normalizing the center frequency measurement as 0dB. It's indicative only, but quite interesting to see and educational, perhaps useful for debugging too.?

Plus a couple of bug fixes; change list is:
  1. Bug fix: '5351 synth code for setting TX params could lock up in some circumstances
  2. New LPF Sweep application in the terminal
  3. Added S-meter
  4. Added AGC implementation and supporting configuration menu parameters
  5. Bug fix: Parameter corruption (incl IQ Mode setting lost) in Digi config menu
So that's my week's work here.?

73 Hans G0UPL


Re: oscilloscope use

 

Personally I bought a Siglent SDS-1104XE which is a very capable 100mhz 4 channel unit. It’s has loads of features, an excellent display and is expandable to 200mhz. Very pleased with the purchase and also bought a Siglent 60mhz function generator which be controlled by the scope to display the bandpass characteristics of things like filters as shown here in this short video where I sweep a low pass filter .

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73 de VE4ACE


Re: QDX - No transmit on 80M #qdx

 

OK! Glad that worked!

A word of caution, though. Your power supply is pretty high for running a 12V QDX. You might want to bring it down a couple of volts, or perhaps two silicon diode drops in line.

73 JZ KJ4A?


On Fri, Feb 16, 2024, 11:05?AM John Miller via <k1qln=[email protected]> wrote:
That did the trick! I looked closely at the joints for L1 and L2 and noticed that one of L2's? pads (nearest IC3) wasn't fully flowed around the wire. It passed the continuity check when I assembled the board, but it must have been marginal. I reflowed it and the others on 80M just to be sure, and am now getting 7.1w on 80m.

Thank you!

John K1QLN


Re: QDX - No transmit on 80M #qdx

 

That did the trick! I looked closely at the joints for L1 and L2 and noticed that one of L2's? pads (nearest IC3) wasn't fully flowed around the wire. It passed the continuity check when I assembled the board, but it must have been marginal. I reflowed it and the others on 80M just to be sure, and am now getting 7.1w on 80m.

Thank you!

John K1QLN


Re: #qmx #firmware 1_00_017 AGC, S-meter, LPF sweep #qmx #firmware

 

Thank you Hans! I have been waiting for AGC to take this out on POTA again!!


Re: #qmx #firmware 1_00_017 AGC, S-meter, LPF sweep #qmx #firmware

 

So, got a QSO in the log and the good news is the AGC seems to largely work, particularly on Rx.

However it has introduced a very sharp tick at the start of each dit and dah on Tx.? This is very different to the clunk that was present before and sounds more like a loud spark if that makes sense.? I have turned AGC off and can confirm this artefact goes away...

73 Danny M0SDB


Re: #qmx #firmware 1_00_017 AGC, S-meter, LPF sweep #qmx #firmware

 

Hi Bev.

See my notes in this thread on how to roll back to 016 (or whatever you were running before the update). You'll have to remove the 4 bottom screws (2 on each side) to pop the bottom cover off, then use a small piece of wire to jumper those to connection points like I did in my previous post w/ photo.

Start the process with the USB cord plugged into the QMX and your computer, with the power off on the QMX. Now jumper those two connection points (see photo), plug the power cord in, and the folder will show up (unless something else is amiss) to drop the new 017 into it.

I first rolled back to 016, but that's probably not necessary. You should be able to go from original 017 to new 017 firmware directly I'm guessing.